Which injured Dolphins return in 2010?
by Matty I on Jan 6, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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PrintOne of the many interesting story lines this offseason will be what happens with the many key Dolphins who ended the 2009 season on Injured Reserve. Considering how many key players - including two of the team's four captains - ended up on IR this season, it's actually impressive to think about how close this team came to a postseason appearance.
But now some decisions have to be made. Who comes back? Who doesn't? And whose role changes? Let's quickly touch on some of these issues.
Chad Pennington - It's no secret that I'm one of the biggest CP fans you'll find. What he did on the field in 2008 and what he has meant to this franchise both on and off the field since he joined the team in 2008 has made me a CP fan for life. But Pennington was off to a very slow start in the two and a half games he played in this season before going down with a season-ending shoulder injury. Since then, his apprentice - Chad Henne - has taken over and has given fans a reason to be excited about the future of the QB position in Miami. So where does that leave the soon to be 34 year old Pennington? Likely not back with Miami. I'd love to have him back as a backup. But I'm not sure if his competitiveness will allow him to accept a backup role. We'd all also love to see him become an eventual QB coach in Miami. But I don't think he's ready yet to give up on playing the game he loves.
Ronnie Brown - It's also no secret that I'm a huge fan of and believer in Ronnie. I think he has the physical talent to be an elite back and has shown just that when he's been given the opportunity. But injuries have been an issue. Freak injuries? Yes. It's not like a broken hand or a Lis Franc fracture means you're injury prone. But he does have a reconstructed knee. The knee, though, seemed like a non-issue in 2008 and 2009 before the foot injury. His contract status depends on the collective bargaining agreement. If there is no new CBA, then Brown is under contract with Miami for $5 million. But if a new CBA is reached before the new "league year" then Brown becomes an unrestricted free agent. It's believed that Brown wants to be back in Miami regardless of the CBA. And I know I'm one of the many that hopes he remains a Dolphin for a long time.
Patrick Cobbs - Cobbs is one of Tony Sparano's favorite guys. And it's easy to see why. He's a versatile back who can make an impact in so many ways. He can run the ball. He can catch it. He can block. And he's an excellent special teams player. I don't think it's just a coincidence that the Wildcat struggled more once Cobbs went down, either. Cobbs has just one year left on his contract. But I think if he proves he's healthy that he will see an extension some time next year from this front office.
Jason Ferguson - Another one of the team's captains, Ferg was noticeably missed on the field after going down late in November with a torn quadriceps muscle. Paul Soliai simply couldn't replace the seasoned vet who is one of the best nose tackles in the league despite turning 34 years old last November. But how much longer can he play? Ferguson is still a long way from recovering and has said that he isn't likely to return to the field if he can't make a full recovery. And even if he does, will he be able to stay healthy? One thing we know is that if he can make it back, he'll be back in Miami. His contract is up but he's said that he'll either play for the Dolphins or retire. Hopefully for the Dolphins, he makes a full recovery and returns for at least one more season.
Will Allen - The Dolphins signed Allen to a three year extension back in May. But Allen only started six games in 2009 before going down with a torn ACL. His injury allowed rookie Vontae Davis to team with fellow rookie Sean Smith as the team's starting corners. Both rookies played pretty well, leaving in question what Will's role would be in 2010. He's expected to be 100% by the time OTAs begin in the spring. But where will he fit in? Allen says he is "not worried about [his] role." I have a hard time believing he'd be a starter in 2010. But if he can make a full recovery, the soon to be 32 year old would make an exceptional option at nickelback.
So those are the big five. Which ones return? Which ones don't? Tell us what you think.
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Cobbs returns if healthy
Brown will atleast be run into the ground for one more year on the hope he stays healthy and if his injuries deter Parcells(remember Parcells have only traded one 1st rounder for a player… C. Martinm) a guy that carried ma full load and didnt get injuried until late in career. I think Brown(if healthy) gets used and tendered with comp in 2011. Fergy if he recovers I suspect Parcells brings back and worries about replacement one more year. remember going into draft last year we had 2 huge holes CB and OLB he went CB because even after FAgency he knew he had a temporary fix in JT and no real opition whether temp or long term in free angency. Thus if recovered Fergy will be the temp fix while we shore up LB core in draft. Allen will be allowed to compete, settle for nicholback or maybe we get a 3rd round suitor for his services
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I know he's not injured but I want JT back too : (
But from those I think the biggest losses would be Ronnie and Patrick Cobbs, nothing against the other guys but we have Henne and Vontae to replace Pennington and Will Allen, and lets face it Ferguson is getting old and we’re going to need a replacement soon anyways.
i hope ronnie at cobbs come back. they are the wild cat. i know when we lose ricky next year lex can take over his spot in the wildcat but nobody can take over their spots. cp10 ive been a fan of since the NYJ. i wish he would become our QB coach but he’ll probably go somewhere looking for a quick qb fix. but who knows, he may stay just because of how he was treated in miami. fergy can be replaced i think soliai will be better next year will some work under his belt and some otas. will allen will probably be traded for a draft pick or two. maybe even to get a top notch WR.
Don't think we'll see Cobbs back
Cobbs is a good change-of-pace back and special teamer, but I don’t see him coming back next year and here’s why:
Ronnie will be back next year no matter what. He’s a fan favorite and, when healthy, a Pro Bowl-caliber player. He also makes the Wildcat tick. I see him signing a 2 year extension making him a free agent again when he’s 30.
Ricky will play his last year in the NFL next year, as he already announced that he’s retiring after the 2010 season.
This means that, in the near future, someone will have to replace Ricky as a bruising partner to Ronnie. Patrick Cobbs is not that guy. Lex Hilliard, however, might be. Lex has shown flashes of being a solid between-the-tackles back. He needs to get more touches so we can see whether he’s the guy or whether we have to look to the 2011 draft. I don’t think we’ll carry 4 RBs on the roster and someone else would undoubtedly scoop Lex from the practice squad. This leaves Cobbs the odd man out. I appreciated his service and wish him the best.
Actually,
The Wildcat struggled as soon as Cobbs went down—he is a necessary cog in that offensive package. If you believe the coaching staff wants to keep The Wildcat around, then you can bet your ass they will keep Patrick Cobbs. If you remember, we kept 4 RBs on the roster this year and I imagine we will do the same next year if we are committing to more Wildcat. It’s not like Lex Hilliard was brought up from PS to replace Cobbs.
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I think they all come back next year.
Pennington has said if he can’t find a starting job elsewhere he wouldn’t mind being the back-up for Henne. I just don’t see a team offering him that chance, especially with his injury history. Although the wildcard in this could be a team that drafts a rookie QB this year and doesn’t want to play him right away (Washington?).
Ronnie Brown will be back just because I don’t envision a CBA being hammered out by March. If one were to get done, Ronnie will be re-signed for a huge discount due to his injury history. If one isn’t done, he’ll play out next year, and they’ll offer him a contract based on that year.
Cobbs will be back because the FO has shown very little confidence in Hilliard and Sheets. Sure Hilliard finally got some touches in the last two games, but it took them awhile to finally give him those. Once Ronnie went down, Hilliard should have been splitting carries with Ricky as Ronnie had. What happened? Ricky averaged over 20 carries a game for the next 6 games, with Hiliiard getting around 5-10 touches if he was lucky.
Ferguson will probably be back for another pay check unless we find a real gem in the draft that can take his spot.
Will Allen could be kept on board for depth purposes due to the injuries we sustained this year. Plus he’s probably a better option as a backup corner or nickel back than Nate Jones and Jason Allen.
Matty, I gotta disagree about Ronnie....
He has the capability to be an elite back, BUT, he IS injury prone. Freak injuries or not, he’s only completed 1 full season since entering the league. I don’t care if its a stubbed toe, a broken shoulder, a pulled groin, or a hangnail……We clearly can’t count on him to finish a season. If we do, then we are fulfilling the definition of insanity.
I think Ronnie Brown is a great back, but its really time to start looking for someone to replace him. Lets face it, injury after injury after injury is going to taken a toll on this guy, and shorten his workable lifespan. Not to mention, that with each injury he is basically getting more and more likely to have another one. Your body just doesn’t hold up because it attempts to compensate for the injury even if you are fully healed. Ask anyone thats ever had an ACL if they end up with some sort of foot injury on the opposite leg, it happens more often then you recognize in sorts.
As for CP10….I expect to see him in Buffalo or Kansas City…maybe even Washington before its all said and done…..damn shame too.
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Before his injury and in the first 4 weeks of the season
Ronnie Brown was in serious contention of being the second best back in the league.
I remember reading a serious heated debate about it between Johnson and Ronnie (Again Peterson was seen as the number 1 back in the league but still…)
Sure his yards per carry were helped tremendously back when the Wildcat was good (PATRICK COBBBBBSSSSS!!!!!!!)
but he was a top 3 back in the league (#1 in our heart) a 1st round pick is definetly not worth ronnie brown you know who else was seen as injury prone or not being able to recover?
Drew Brees and look how he recovered. (Albeit you don’t get hit as badly as a QB than as a RB but still Drew Brees recovered)
They really were freak accidents so if it happens again than i think we have something to really be worried about. 3rd times the charm!
So I think we should Keep Ronnie Brown also he would be very good at taking the pressure off of Henne.
Your point is "Before his injury"....?
Come on, it doesn’t matter what he was doing before his injury.
Every season he’s doing great….“Before his injury”….. Every single season (but one).
Thats injury prone….when you can’t finish your sentence, when you can’t say…..“Wow, Brown was a top 5 back in the league, he kept up the pace this year”…that’s a problem.
Look, if it was a WR, OL, QB, or any other position, and they hadn’t finished more than 1 out of 6 seasons in the league….we’d be calling them Injury prone, and looking to replace them.
Freak accidents don’t occur in 5 out of 6 years. They might occur in 2, or maybe just 1.. but when they occur at 83% of the time….its not a “Freak” anything. It means someone is prone to injury.
Think about that. If I told you that your RB would only finish the season 17% of the time, you’d freak out…..well, I’m telling you our RB only finishes the season 17% of the time.
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What makes you injury prone
I never liked this term. The only way I can feel comfortable using it is if a player has several injuries that cause the other injuries. Like ACL or dislocated knee that constantly gives you problems with arthritis or tendonitis and a bad hit on the knee will cause the player to be out for a while.
Is Boldin injury prone. He rarely has a full healthy season, but his physical play which everyone loves comes with a price. I would not say he is.
I also believe that almost every injury is a freak injury, because it is not planned to happen. Only time it is not is if its pull or a twisted joint, or if a player has one of these plays any way and it gets worse
Ronnie Brown, hit on the hand with a helmet (broken hand) Hit in the knee (torn ACL) Caught from behind and rolled over on his foot (foot fracture)…. to me there really was no way to prevent these unless he was on the bench.
When a player is counted on and asked to do a lot, then he is on the field more, making him clearly more prone to injury.
What I do think is at 28 is how many years does Ronnie have left? Signing him to big money is what he is going to want, and then the team is commited to him. C.J Spiller is a tempting option in the draft. If spiller is drafted then Ricky retires, Ronnie can ease into Rickys old roll and slowly have Spiller be the #1, but do you re-sign Ronnie and invest in him to be a back up?
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by k2oconnor on Jan 6, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
'injury prone' agreed is often just sloppy characterizing
don’t see why ricky necessarily retires if spiller is drafted.
by a1a on Jan 6, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
Spiller being drafted would mean Lex is likely gone,
not Ricky.
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with no CBA
the run Brown ragged. If he survives the season I would doubt Parcells resigns him(considering the mikles and injuries on the body) then when a FA let him walk getting a comp pick at end of year for losing him. One more year use up part of his miles left and then get something for him
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I agree 100%.
Ronnie Brown is injury prone, period. He can’t help us win when he isn’t on the field… potential doesn’t win games.
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I love this post especially the part about Patrick Cobbs
WHAT DID HE DO IN THE WILDCAT?
Seriously the second he was put in IR it lost all it’s punch no more 10 yds+ plays we were lucky not to lose yardage on a Wildcat snap seriously. I think the yardage went down from 6.7 yards per play down to 5.4 IN 1 WEEK.
I’m not sure so if anyone can remind me what he exactly did in the Wildcat i would love to know. Was he like a fullback because i dont remember anyone ever handing the ball off to him. who replaced him in the wildcat then?
I wish we could have a 2 QB formation (MAKE IT HAPPEN DAN) because CP10 is one of my favorite players and yes i know he is our franchise QB and he has all the potential in the world and he needs his playing time but maybe Henne should still compete with CP10 for the starting job?? CP10 doesn’t deserve to go to a Washingotn or a Buffalo which really sucks because he might. I just wish we could have both Henne and CP10
Penne is gone
not like he a life long dolphin, he served his purpose prepping Henne buy buy
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His purpose was not to prep Henne don't insult me,
what he did was bring this team back to competitiveness and to the playoffs not to say self respect once again. He brought something that was long gone in Miami after the Saban and Cameron fiasco: Leadership and Hope. There is not one stat that will measure that. If there was, he would’ve walked away with the MVP award in 08.
prep?!?! a bridge nothing more
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That was the original intention,
but then he became so much more. How can you not see that?
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but he didn't
because when it’s all said and done, he was GREAT for us in 08, but he was never the long-term answer.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Don't ridicule yourself in front of so many people Nicky.
Exactly when did a 33 year old Qb with 3+ shoulder surgeries was expected to become the long term answer ? I guess I missed that.
When Joel says that "he became much more"
he is saying that Pennington became more than a “bridge” last season. You instead, say that he was “GREAT” for us in 08. I haven’t seen many “bridge” Qbs that become “GREAT”, if only for a single season. Your words, not mine.
well you just saw one
because he was extremely good in 08, then struggled this year before yet another shoulder surgery. You can’t honestly believe that Pennington + 4 throwing shoulder surgeries is a better option at QB than 24 year old Chad Henne going forward.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Haha no I honestly couldn't and haven't said that.
Haha all Joel and I are saying is that Pennington was much more for this team than a bridge. A bridge was that guy Gradkowsi for the Raiders or Fitzpatrick for Buffalo or Bledsoe for Dallas etc.
Pennington was Bledsoe in Dallas
They were the exact same player lol. Parcells drafted both them, brought them aboard as a veteran “bridge” so to speak to his new team, and allowed his young guy to sit and learn behind a savvy vet. It’s the exact same situation lol.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Uhm did Bledsoe become a legend in Dallas?
That’s what I and MHTD’s mom thought. Case closed. You know your argument is all Neo-like and “technically” right. But you know Chad was very important for this team. He brought hope back, I dont think Bledsoe did that.
No he didn't bring hope back lol
but he was the bridge to the young Franchise QB. And I don’t think Pennington reached “legendary” status with an MVP-runner up season lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 8, 2010 3:15 AM EST up reply actions
Then you watched another season. Good luck winning a SB
with Henne lol if he can’t complete a screen pass hahahahahahaahahahhahaahh
i know its irrelevant to any of this but i thought it was funny
i was looking at the archives from the draft 2 years ago. its interesting seeing what everyone was saying about certain players and how high some people where on some players that are really non-existent in the nfl now. but the funny one was how many people were laughing at the titans for taking chris johnson in the 1st round. how things change from 1-2 years
haha oh no, It's not irrelevant. Last offseason people were throwing around
things like “We don’t need to trade or draft a #1 receiver, we already have Brandon London”. Never understood that bandwagon, still don’t. True story
hahah yeah
a lot of people were high on us drafting brian brohm instead of chad henne. along with a bunch of other people we should have drafted that are doing absolutely nothing now. its really funny. i guess it shows why we are just fans and not actually getting paid to do the drafting.
London would have seen the field by now.
I hope Turner really does pan out or I’m going to regret not seeing Brandon London in a Dolphins uniform in 2009. He made a very clutch diving 3rd down grab in a playoff like game in Week 17 vs. The Jets. That’s what sold me on him.
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Thanks for the memories
CP did his job. Of course he fell into our laps after Brett Fahv-rah went to the Jets last year. He was a great FA pick-up and very good “game manager”, but opposing defenses don’t have to worry about the deep ball. We all knew that Henne was drafted by the new regime and that was their guy. If CP wants to go, then that’s fine. Henne is our starter and Thigpen is a good #2 (he was the starter in KC for awhile). Will Allen is the odd man out. Big contract and staring at two rookies who proved themselves. Hopefully, we could get a decent draft pick to trade him. Cobbs is almost Mr. Everything. Wildcat (yuck), special teams, catching passes. Definately will be back next. Ronnie is here regardless of the CBA. Maybe he will have to take a smaller contract. Fergie is getting old. Your body doesn’t heal like a 24 year old. Look for a NT thru FA or mid-round in the draft.
Bring in the new
Chad Pennington more than likely wouldn’t accept a backup role so he will probably be out. I’m not sad at all about that either. Yes, the guy provided leadership but most of his passes back in 08 were of the short yardage variety. His arm is soup and has been ever since his 2 surgeries. He can’t throw the deep ball anymore. He was a good pickup at the time and he was brought in to provide leadership and that is what he did. It’s probably time for him to try his look elsewhere.
I think Ronnie should go. He has been a draft bust to me ever since his 3rd year. The first 2 years were great and he had a lot of games with 100+ rushing yards but ever since he got injured, he can’t perform anymore. I can’t believe we wasted a 2nd pick on him. Only thing he does good right now is run the Wildcat and that has gotten pretty much phased out now as most defenses know how to stop it. I don’t season any real reason to hold onto to a player just to run that type of offensive scenario. He doesn’t even hardly pass when he runs it anyways. I say to try and see what we can get with trade bait or try and maybe hold onto him for 1 more year till he becomes a FA if a CBA is not reached and then let him go. If a CBA is reached and he becomes a FA…Let him go or trade him. Look into another RB. We will still have Ricky for next year.
Not sure on Jason Ferguson as I haven’t followed the DT position. I don’t have DirectTv and haven’t seen too many Dolphins games this year.
Will Allen probably should go being as Davis and Smith are developing quickly as great corners.
You haven't been able to follow many games this year, but your going to comment that yo udon't think Ronnie was worth the pick/ draft bust or good enough to stay in MIAMI.
His first season he had to share time and still almost broke a 1000 yards. Second season he didn’t have much of a line and ws out of a couple games with a broken arm (from a helmet hit) and which he returned and performed awesome. AHH and you know that the season he broke his leg he was pretty much a beast and on his way to breaking 2000+ yards rushing. In a play he shouldn’t have had to make. ( INT by cleo i believe) And last year he waas spiltting the load again and almost rushed for 1000 yards behind a sorry ass line. So I would like to say he’s not a bust and injuries are freakish and doesn’t make him injury prone just unlucky. He’s worth keeping around.
by D0lphins4Life on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
You haven't been able to follow many games this year, but your going to comment that yo udon't think Ronnie was worth the pick/ draft bust or good enough to stay in MIAMI.
Yep…Not many games this year but over the past years whenever they are on TV, I do watch. There weren’t hardly any games on TV around my area in 08 because the Dolphins were 1-15 the previous year and they didn’t get any TV time last year because of it. There were more games this year so I was happy about that.
I still feel the same about him…
How can you say all those injuries don't make him
“injury prone”. Yes, there is a chance he is just unlucky, but when a trend continues for this long, there comes a point when you have to start looking for other factors. Maybe Ronnie just doesn’t know how to protect himself when he takes a hit. Maybe he is too stiff because he tenses up before impact rather than remaining loose, like in a car wreck. You get injured less often if you are relaxed upon impact… I think it’s very naive to assume that persistent “freak” injuries are completely luck based.
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Is he a RB? Interesting…. Don’t know how the players from the CFL fair. I think the Dolphins signed somebody else from the CFL last year…
Cameron Wake...
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Yeah, who is that guy?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 6, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
They don’t say much but I found this on Wikipeida. It says he’s a WR. A interesting choice. I would rather draft a WR out of college than the CFL though…but maybe we are just trying to tighten our reserves right now.
“Larry Taylor (born May 30, 1985 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida) is a professional Canadian football wide receiver for the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football League. He was signed as an undrafted free agent by the Alouettes in 2008. He played college football for the UConn Huskies.”
Fullback special teams player
They signed a guy from B.C. of the CFL named Rolly Lumbala. He is a fullback who was born in Africa and went to Idaho. He only carried 6 times last year and looks more like a special teams player, he was second on the team in special teams tackles. However, I did find a site that had him running a 4.45 40 and he’s about 240 lbs.
by scottydoyle13 on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Cameron Wake worked out fine... maybe this guy is running back prospective...
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Doesn't seem like there is alot of love for Will Allen
I know he isn’t a guy who makes huge plays, but he is also a guy that rarely gets burned and also almost never gets fooled. He is a solid cover corner. Can’t catch a cold, but usually limits the guy he is covering pretty well. Not to mention he has a great mind for the position and could really teach these rookies alot.
Patrick Cobbs is liked too much by the coaching staff to not come back and Ferg is an absolute must if he is healthy, no ifs ands or buts…the 3 4 is terrible without him to anchor the middle.
Ronnie means to much to the fans and the team to let him go in my opinion, at least without a fight. As for Pennington it pains me to say it but I don’t see him coming back. Everybody likes to talk a lot about him, but there is no doubt he is one of the hardest working, and smartest players to take the snap. His knowledge and advice to our young qbs alone is worth tons. I just dont see a roster spot for him with Thigpen being a worthy backup. I do agree and hope that he is our QB coach someday…I think he could do a lot for our team. Plus everybody that whines about the down the field stuff check his numbers..his yards per attempt are barely below Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees…so maybe he dumps it off short a little, but he gets the same results, and he led this team to its first playoff berth in a long, long time. I think anyone who complains about Pennington doesn’t have an understanding of the game of football. He definately won his place in the heart and soul of true dolphins fans and the organization. The guy is a gamer and one of the nicest humans being you could meet. We would be so lucky as to have him affiliated with this organization for a long time to come. Just my 2 cents.
I feel the same about Will Allen
Though not many people have alot to say about him either way.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Jan 6, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sometimes the guys you dont often think of
are the ones that are the most consistant. Ill tell you when everyone noticed Will Allen…or the lack thereof: When those saints came marching in. Once Will Allen got hurt Drew went to work on us. Prior to him getting hurt Drew didn’t do anything. Coincidence? I don’t think so. We need some kind of veteran back there to help these rookies see the plays that are coming and just keep everyone where they belong. I really think he’d be a huge loss for us. We need him at least another year or so.
Coincidence?
Yes. We were getting destroyed in the 4th Quarter early in the year WITH Will Allen.
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I think Will Allen will be a great 3rd Corner,
but I think you guys are forgetting that Will Allen was getting destroyed early this season. Everybody was throwing his way because Sean Smith was blanketing the opposite side of the field, and since Will isn’t very young, he was slowing down big time by the 2nd half which allowed teams to score massive amounts through the air in the 3rd and 4th quarters.
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There must be some resource
that shows the numbers on this correct? I just don’t recall him getting burned that bad, but maybe the lasting images of that other Allen and Wilson getting burned so many times just really fried my memory, or the 634 missed tackles by Ayodele did it. Regardless, he still has a great mind for the game and would be a great mentor to the young guys, and its oblivious our defense coordinator needs to go. He couldnt dial up a big play when it mattered all year long. There is too much talent on that defense to get burned the way we did, rookies or not.
When does the "league " year start?
What is the date of the CBA expriing so we know if Ronnie stays or goes?
We're talkin' about PRACTICE....practice!
The current contract for the CBA expires after the 2010 season. I read this on some of the negotiations currently taking place:
“It looks very bleak to get a CBA done before March of this year or the beginning of the new NFL season,” NFLPA president Kevin Mawae said. “We’re going to continue to try.”
Doesn’t sound good….
I think I saw somewhere that
it was on March 5.
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I can't brain today, I have the dumb.
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I read the league year starts on March 1st.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
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I think a great deal depends on who falls to the Dolphins or who is drafted on draft day by them...
This will determine not only who stays, but for how long too…
If C.J. Spiller is available, I hope they don’t even take the full 15 minutes to decide!!!
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"You know, I believe we have two lives. The life we learn with and the life we live with after that. " - Glenn Close in The Natural
As a Clemson supporter,
I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the team should they decide in advance to let Ronnie walk, but I almost hope CJ is gone so that we take a playmaking MLB.
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I see the front office
shopping Brown for draft picks. He could be worth a 2 and a 4. Freak injury or not, fact is,Ronnie hasn’t finished 2 of the last 3 seasons and Parcells does not like injury prone players.
If Penne doesn’t accept a backup or coaching role, he’s gone as well.
if we pick up spiller
then that would mean Ginn gets shipped out too, spiller is not only a RB at clempson but an all around big play guy,returning kicks and lining up as a wide Receiver … so there goes Ginn if we can score spiller
We would still need a “Deep Threat” though….Someone that scares defenses and makes them notice and have to cover them. I don’t think you can have that accomplished by using a RB and having them try and play WR all the time. He would be a great pickup but we would still need that gamebreaker type of WR.
Truth.
This is the NFL, not college. Spiller can’t just pick up the WR position as he goes along if he wants to play at the NFL level. I’d rather he focused on RB duties, especially those involved in The Wildcat…
Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
Repentant Former Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
my point was
he could be that deep threat depending how we used him, if you watched him at all at clempson you have seen his speed, and with his skill in returning kicks that would easily cover both jobs we have ginn doing, especially assuming that ricky and ronnie are both back and we arent in desperate need of an actual runing back next year, then he could transfer into more of a rb role once ricky is gone
Switching players to different skill positions does not work out...
see Jason Allen & Gibril Wilson.
Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
Repentant Former Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
its not much of a swith though
because hes done it all before
Cobbs, Ronnie, and Allen return
Ferg retires
Pennington does… something with another team
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Penny wont stay
I hope he would because he’s the balls but its Henne’s team now and the mentor has done what he can.
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Cobbs is out
pene out i hope he stays
allen trade bait?
fergy stays to mentor first day pick
A Champion has fallen and out of the ashes a new Warrior will rise
We had 3 people rom the backfield go out this year Pennington , Cobbs , and Brown. Williams was banged up more that once You need all the good backs you can get. The NFL needs to consider expanding rosters in the future with all the injuries. Since they havn’t come up with a solution to the injury problem and probably never will. They should expand rosters so teams have people that can season and get ready to play. Injuries have ruined too many teams chances and sometimes caused inferior teams to win. Also they have caused some teams to make unpopular moves (Colts)
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