Life in an Uncapped World
Life in an Uncapped World
How no salary cap in 2010 will affect free agency, the draft, and the league as we know it
One of the biggest questions that has been swirling around the league as the 2009 season comes toward a close, and with no new Collective Bargaining Agreement(CBA) in place, is what will happen in 2010. As everyone is aware, when the owners opted out of the CBA in 2011, it meant that 2010 would be an "uncapped year." The thought of no salary cap brings images of George Steinbrenner and the New York Yankees, and stirs fear in the hearts of fans everywhere that a Jerry Jones or a Daniel Snyder would go gangbusters on the free agent market and out-bully and out-spend their way into a Super Bowl.
However, the player's union and the owners had the foresight to anticipate such an event, and as such, there are safeguards in place to keep things from getting too out of control in the NFL world should the time occur that a season would go by without a salary cap. So, for all who are wondering, and to quell the fears of those who break into cold sweats that the NFL will see parity disappear and go the way of Major League Baseball, worry not. This is what life will be like in the brave new uncapped world of 2010.
The biggest changes that will occur in an uncapped 2010, obviously, pertain to free agency, although more accurately, who will be free agents.
Under the current CBA, players can restricted free agents after three years of service, and unrestricted free agents after four years. Unrestricted free agents are just that, unrestricted. They are free to sign with any team of their choosing.
Restricted free agency is a little more complicated. A restricted free agent is first offered a "tender" amount by the team that holds his rights. If that team does not tender the player, he is free to walk as an unrestricted free agent. If a team makes an offer for a player higher than the tender amount, the team to holds the player's right has one week to determine whether or not to match that offer. If that team chooses not to match the offer, then the player will go to the high bidder, and the previous team will receive a draft pick in return equal to the tender amount. The highest tender amount in 2009 was worth $2.792 million, and if a player tendered at that amount was to be signed by another team, the team that offered the tender would earn a first and a third round pick in return. The lowest tender was $1.01 million, and would give the offering team a pick equivalent to the round in which that player was drafted.
For example, in 2007, Miami offered Wes Welker a second round tender, which at the time was worth $1.35 million. We all know about the "poison pill" and the resulting trade, however, if New England had simply offered Welker a contract, Miami would have had one week to match that offer to retain Welker. If Miami chose not to match, then they would receive a second round pick from New England -- corresponding to the tender amount that was originally offered.
The big changes here, with no salary cap in 2010, is that the number of years of service are increased. A player now must accrue four years of service to become a restricted free agent, and six years of service to become unrestricted free agents.
Obviously, with unrestricted free agents requiring more service time, this will drastically reduce the number of players available in the free agent pool. Players such as Greg Jennings, Darren Sproles, Leon Washington, Brandon Marshall, Elvis Dumervil, and DeMeco Ryans, who would have been unrestricted under the current CBA rules, will be restricted free agents in 2010.
Another major change involves the franchise player and transition player tags. Currently, a team may apply a franchise tag to one player, who is given a one-year deal equal to the average of the top five salaries at that players position, or an increase of 20% over their 2008 salary, whichever is greater. For example, during the 2009 offseason, Carolina applied their franchise tag to defensive end Julius Peppers, which was worth $16.683 million, even though the tag amount on his position was only $8.991 million. Meanwhile, New England used their franchise tag on quarterback Matt Cassel, worth $14.65 million.
In 2010, teams will still have one franchise player tag. This means that even a player with six years of service can be tagged and retained should a team choose to do so. For example, New England defensive tackle Vince Wilfork has accrued six years of service, New England can choose to apply tags to him and two others at their choosing.
It is important to note that there are two types of franchise tags, exclusive and non-exclusive. An exclusive tag means that the player will be averaged based on the current years' average at his position, and is not allowed to negotiate with any other teams. A non-exclusive tag is based on the previous years' average, and is treated similar to a restricted free agent, in that other teams are allowed to make an offer, but the team applying the tag is allowed to match that offer. If a team fails to match an offer on a non-exclusive franchise player, that team will receive two first-round draft picks in return.
Along with the franchise tag, teams will also have two transition tags to use on players. Transition tags give a player a salary equal to the average of the top ten players at his position. No teams chose to use a transition tag on a player in 2009, and under the current CBA, could use a franchise or a transition tag, but not both. The transition tag, like a non-exclusive franchise tag, allows a player to negotiate with other teams. The transition tag was famously involved in the deal to bring offensive guard Steve Hutchinson to Minnesota, where poison pill clauses all but forced Seattle to let Hutchinson go. The transition tag also gives no compensation to a team should they fail to match an offer on a player on whom they have applied the tag.
In addition to who can be a free agent, 2010 will also change who can sign free agents. In an attempt to stop the "rich from getting richer," in a figurative sense, the eight teams that advance to the divisional round of the playoffs in 2009 will be restricted in how they can sign free agents.
The four teams that make their respective conference championship games will be prohibited from negotiating with, or signing, any unrestricted free agents unless they are either re-signing one of their own players, or the player was cut by his previous team. In 2008, the four teams this would have affected were Arizona, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh.
The four teams that make it to the divisional rounds in their conferences, but fail to make it to a conference championship game will be only be allowed to sign one player with a salary over $4.925 million. They may also sign any number of players to a first-year salary of no more than $3.725 million, and an annual increase of no more than 30%. The four teams this would have affected in 2008 were Tennessee, San Diego, Carolina, and the New York Giants.
However, it's not all doom and gloom for these teams. These team may also sign one unrestricted free agent for every unrestricted free agent that they lose to another team. They may not spend more than the value of the lost player's new contracts.
The draft in 2010, will not be too different from the draft in 2009. However, as wacky as this may sound, the rookie salary cap(who knew?) will be removed. Expect to see more holdouts and hardball negotiations involving rookies and the teams that draft them. We can also expect to see more underclassmen declaring for the draft as a result, especially with the specter of a potential 2011 lockout on the horizon.
While there will be no salary cap in 2010, there will also not be a salary floor either. In 2006, the NFL created a salary floor requiring that teams spend at least 84% of the cap amount, with that number increasing by 1.2% every year. In 2009, that number was 87.6% of the cap. Which means that with the 2009 salary cap of $127 million, teams were required to spend roughly $111.25 million on player salaries in 2009. With no salary floor, and no salary cap with which to apply penalties to, teams will be free to cut contracts that they see as an albatross, and thus save some serious money should they choose to do so.
If anything, the lack of salary floors may be more of a concern than the lack of salary cap, as owners who are in some manner of financial distress, such as the Glazer family, who amassed significant debts after purchasing English soccer team Manchester United, will be free to dump salary left and right. This could create a situation similar to the perpetual penny-pinchers in Major League Baseball, such as the Florida Marlins and Pittsburgh Pirates.
Now, of course, all of this discussion is moot is a new CBA is approved. The owners and the NFL Player's Union have until March to agree to a new CBA before the 2010 provisions written above will go into effect.
So, for those expecting or hoping for the Dolphins to make a huge splash in the offseason during free agency, you may be disappointed, as many of the most sought after free agents will more than likely be off the market, or too costly to obtain in terms of draft picks.
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Don't expect the little people like "El Peezy" to be paying too much attention into this
they are all about the fire crackers and shinny objects. Very good job again man thanks
Yeah, a lot of people will probably shy away because of the length of this post...but it's meant to answer the questions that a lot of people have had with regard to this
I figure that if people read this, they might learn something.
Nice
as I msaid the Marshals and Dansbys will cost a team a first and third minimum plus 10+ mil a year. ASnybody see this FO sending the 12th pick of the draft and their 3rd for a player? No! There is a work stoppage in the works for 2011 if no CBA is signed. Anyone think the owners or players risking their future on that? So that means in 2011 there will be a CBA and a salary cap which means these RFA will become URFAs and make them much more of a possablity for this FO
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
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One of the things that I keep reading is that if there is a new CBA before 2011 it will more than
likely contain the provision that players will need 6 years of service to become URFA’s like in the uncapped year. There is also much speculation that it will have to contain some sort of pre set rooking pay scale before the owners will sign a new deal.
The rookie pays scale is something I certianly agree with. It makes no sense to continue to give these kids giant contracts when they are unproven pros. I still do not understand why the union opposes this. It would seem if some of these giant rookie contracts only serve to take mony out of the pockets of the vetrans that have proven themselves and who have in some cases been paying dues to the union for years.
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Excellent post.
All laid out nice & clear.
This year’s draft is going to be a boon for player’s agents.
goo goo goojoob
well worded post
Great overview. I think the key is that we’ll be able to retain our guys much more easily in an uncapped year. Ronnie and Fasano will be restricted free agents.
An uncapped year will take away many players that would normally be hitting the market but its also going to cause a large amount of guys to get cut that were being overpaid. Not bad players, just overpaid players. That should make up for the guys that would normally be available.
Interesting that if we won yesterday we would have the 18th pick instead of the 12th. That’s a huge jump based on one game.
by special agent wildcat on Jan 4, 2010 8:42 AM EST reply actions
Great post! I think this clears up a lot of the questions that many of us had. Rec'd!
I do wonder that if teams start dumping players due to high salarys or the teams own money issues if there will be some bargain signings out there due to the maket being flooded.
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Holy crap
this is sweet, all i knew about is the changed the years of service to become restricted/unrestricted but the rest i didn’t know…incredible dude, nice job…i will definitely be referring to this during the offseason if it is an uncapped year…i didn’t realize how many restrictions they had, good to know they didn’t want it to become like MLB
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 9:42 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, MLB is a tainted product with a slipping fan base. Wonder why?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 4, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
yea it's bad in baseball
it’s so hard for the smaller market teams to sign anyone of worth and for them to compete, i think they should take a look at this plan by the NFL and do something similar
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree! Its the only way to save the MLB in the long run. I am a Rangers fan. Even
with the fact that DFW is the #4 media market in the US and the team has decent ticket sales the team still lost money the last few years with a payroll about half that of the Yankees. I can not even imagine how hard it is for other markets like KC.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 4, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
i am a marlins fan
and it is so frustrating to hear about the yankees, mets (who are in our division), red sox and some of the other teams spending money ridiculous amounts of money while everyone else may sign like one or two guys to a minimum contract, it’s just not right…football however, did a great job seeing MLB’s problem and from what it looks like came up with an excellent plan that will keep the parity that has made the league so successful…well at least it looks good, not sure how it will actually work if/when it is put into practice, but it looks very fair
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
It must be fair when a small city the size of Green Bay can not only have a team
but be competitive year in and year out. That of course is based on if the city supports the team or not ala Jacksonville. Thats why even a huge city like LA does not have an NFL team.
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omg the city of GB completely shuts down and the surrounding areas
when the Packers are playing…the entire city is either at the game or at a bar watching the game…i am willing to bet that if the NFL had the same system as MLB the Packers would be one of the high rollers
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I like that the fans actually own the team
or at least own a part through shares or something like that. I’d love to be a shareholder in the Dolphins lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Im with you Nicky. It would be sweet to own my own little slice of the Phins
just to say I was an owner.
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I dont know know. It has a lot more to do with outside revenue sources than
ticket sales. The reason the Yankees and the Redsox have so much money has to do more with outside sources than ticket revenue.
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yea i guess you're right
but hey the fans own the team, so i guess they have unlimited outside sources lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I still doubt that a city the size of Green Bay could ever
win the world series.
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no way
and plus it gets too damn cold there, MLB would never approve a team there lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
which gets me thinking
with all our celebrity owners, we could potentially be up there in spending also, but i am willing to bet these celebrities would not want to spend there money on players lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think they are on board with the Phins as figureheads more than anything else.
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I believe Ross was looking for two things with the celebs
augmenting the cost of the check he wrote for the team, and bringing an “event” atmosphere to the games, which he’s definitely succeeded in.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. It did have something to do with putting some cash in
his pockets but in the end I believe what we spend has 100% to do with how deep Ross’ pockets are. Thank God from what I hear he has super deep pockets.
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lol yeah super duper deep
if I started counting his money 1 dollar bill at a time, my grandkids would die before finishing.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
true story
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well now we all just need to pray that the Big Tuna will
stick around a while to spend all that money!
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actually I think we're fine
because Ireland has the same mindset as Parcells, and from what I’ve heard, Ireland was the one making the calls on the later round picks (which most have worked out) because Parcells was in more of a consulting mode. I don’t think Parcells is watching 12 hours of film a day on prospects and doing all the leg work, but instead of helping out with philosophies and overseeing it all…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think your right but Parcells definatly has the final say.
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no doubt
but I think he’s actually got guys he trusts with him, which is enough for me to approve lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. I know we will be in good hands
once he is gone. I just want him to stick around as long as possible.
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Lock out...
I don’t think the uncapped year will ever happen. The owners will lock the players out before they allow a season without a CBA. Hope they work things out because minus a CBA I don’t think we have a season.
The season will be played this year for sure. All partys involved agree that if there is a lock out
it will be for the 2011 season.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 4, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
great post
Thanks for breaking this down.
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It took me about an hour and a half to put everything together, so no one else has to. A lot of this stuff is dry and tough to read at times, but it’s really important to know so that everyone understands what we’re looking at this offseason.
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wondering that myself
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wow
eye-opening that’s for sure. I knew a little about most of the changes, but this was really in depth and it’s changing a lot of my wishlist plans for the offseason, considering a lot of what I wanted to do is impossible now lol.
It seems like it’s extremely complicated, with the restrictions on certain teams and all the extra franchise/transition tags, and I’m really hoping that the league can get that CBA done now, because this is gonna be a BITCH to try and follow along with. For offseason junkies like me, this is bad news lol. I was finally starting to really grasp all the old rules.
anyway, great post, rec’d, and all that jazz. IMO, this needs to be easily accessed because it’s going to really effect all the FA and draft debates if the CBA isn’t signed..
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yea it does seem extremeley complicated and confusing lol
thus i will be referring to this throughout the offseason lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
should be sidebarred since nobody seems to really have a good grasp on it and as much debate as we do around here in the offseason, it’d be nice to have an easy reference to all the new rules and regs.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
It would really help of we could be sure eveyone reads it before posting something without
all the facts. Oh nevermind that will NEVER happen!
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lmao, true story
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha of course not
but at least when somebody says something stupid, we could just link them back to this post instead of having to explain it. Plus, when we all come up with our Armchair GM ideas, we could be accurate lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Yeah!
It seems to have at least slowed down around here with the season winding down. I had to step back when it seemed like every Tom, Dick and Harry was posting some stupid thing that had probably been posted already like 5 or 6 times. It was starting to make my head hurt. I at least give Matty props that he has started cracking down on multiple post on the same subject. Now if we can just make sure everyone has there facts straight!
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which will never happen
and wtf is u with these bone head ideas…i swear i want to throw my laptop at the wall while reading some of these
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
No kidding.
I’m keeping a tab of how many “Get Brandon Marshall” posts we’re gonna see. I’m betting around 8.
And these people who think that there is going to be a QB competition between Henne and Thigpen? Come on. Just because he organized 2 good drives does not make him a starter in the NFL. There’s a reason KC never made him the starter for the years he was with them. He’s a competent backup sure, but is not going to be a starter for the Dolphins.
I also love the “Get Golden Tate!” posts. Not that I think Tate is a bad receiver, but we just do not need another receiver who is of the same mold as the ones we have now.
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i think there already have been 8 Brandon Marshall posts lol
and i explained why in one of the posts why Thigpen was successful in this game…but yea these ideas are absolutely ridiculous
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
And as much as a lot of this site would love to get Marshall does
anyone REALLY think that Parcells will sign that guy? Just because its something that you want to see happen does not mean that Parcells will all of a suden change his ways after all these years.
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he probably won't
but I have to think we would consider it, seeing as how bad our WR’s were.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Plus give up a 1 and a 3 seeing as hes now a RFA?
He will also want a huge conract. All signs point to NO!
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true story
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
very well said about Tate, been saying exactly that for like a month lol
and everyone is so delerious over 2 good drives by Thigpen, then he made 2 extremely boneheaded INT’s, the one in the redzone was terrible. It wasn’t like Henne’s two weeks ago where it was just a poorly thrown ball. It was an extremely bad decision lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. I think its a no brainer that Henne has SOOOO much more
upside in the long run.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
I just find it funny that nobody really thinks Henne could have led two comeback drives
against one of the worst 4th quarter teams in the league.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I think we win if Henne stays in.
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
right
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Nicky, don't you know that the RZ Int was NOT Thipen's fault - it WAS Ginn he was throwing to, so it MUST be Ginn's fault!
/sarcasm
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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I thought it was Bess he was throwing to lol
couldn’t really tell, there was too many Steelers in the way ;-)
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Yeah he was under a pile of Steelers!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
announcers said it was Ginn
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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Driver of the draft Brandon Spikes bandwagon
hahahaha
THIGPEN IS THE NEW STARTER!!
PAT WHITE IS A BUST EVEN THOUGH HE’S ONLY A ROOKIE!!
CROWDER SUCKS!!
SEAN SMITH SHOULD BE MOVED TO FS!!
FIRE EVERYONE!!
RONNIE IS THE BEST RB IN THE LEAGUE!!!
it’s funny see? lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
can't forget
USE SEAN SMITH AS WR!!!
BRANDON MARSHALL WILL BE A DOLPHIN!!!
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Matty's assistant
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- Founder of the Draft Brandon Spikes Bandwagon
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
LOL Parcells will NEVER sign Marshall.
First off the guy has issues but if you take all of that out of the conversation there are still the rules for 2010. Hes a RFA and I dont see the FO giving up a 1 and a 2 and a giant contract for one guy. Nope, not gonna happen!
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CKC
goo people
http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/1/4/1233773/ckc-early-edition
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
damn matty deleted it
-"No excuses, No explanations"
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- LN21 and MHTD - Going Commando
- Founder of the Draft Brandon Spikes Bandwagon
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
why?
lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Because he can!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
lol we're trying to keep the posts on topic and taking the conversation elsewhere
MATTY WE WERE FOLLOWING THE RULES!!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
lmfao
dude he knows us too well
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
too early i guess lol
the SBN guys are probably still lurking
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- Founder of the Draft Brandon Spikes Bandwagon
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
LOL I never even saw it!
Hes fast on that trigger!
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"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
lmao i know
but seriously i don’t think the Broncos will match any offer to Marshall, i think it over with them
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Matty's assistant
- LN21 and MHTD - Going Commando
- Founder of the Draft Brandon Spikes Bandwagon
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
But will Miami outbid someone else? I think not.
Besides if they tender him at the max I am sure Parcells will not give up a 1 and a 3 for him plus a big pile of cash.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
I wonder if anybody will offer a contract if he's tendered at 1st/3rd
knowing that Denver will probably concede to trading him for much less if teams just wait it out…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 4, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thats a good point as well. I guess we will soon see.
I think his value will be driven by how many teams want him.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
yea idk if we will either
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-Matty's assistant
- LN21 and MHTD - Going Commando
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Perfectly written.
Rec’d. Thank you, man.
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Great Post... even the auditor loves it!
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Audit sucks
Tax is better. :) haha just messing with ya.
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despise tax, ex-auditor, ex-CFO, ex-a lot of other roles as well, now financial consultant to small public companies here
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
Driver of the draft Brandon Spikes bandwagon
I'll probably end up feeling the exact same way
Give me five-to-ten years..I’m just getting sucked into this hell now. Probably wouldn’t mind doing what you’re doing when I’m sick of private firms.
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2009 Unofficial "The Phinsider" (Phinaddict's League) Fantasy Baseball League Champion
sooooo
now can we dump Vernon, Jason Allen, Peezy, and Ginn?
2009/10 Season Projection: Dolphins 8-8, Patriots 10-6, Jets 7-9, Bills 7-9
You can now dump anyone thats overpriced/underproductive but you have to be able to replace them.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 4, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dream Academy.
All I can hear in my head is “Life in a Northern Town” after seeing the title of this thread.
Matty song bombed me.
goo goo goojoob
Actually it is my fault..that's the title I chose
And I did choose it for that song. You’re welcome, haha.
amazing work rroan
thanx for the knowledge, rec’d
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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Medic! Where you been brother?
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by texascowpunk on Jan 6, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
dude
i was on leave in north carolina….with my wife and son, and her computer crapped out on like the 4th day, so i didnt have any access for the next 17 days! it was brutal.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
I took a dump in applybys and it sounded like a dinousaur drowning in a tar pit. *thanx uncle finster*
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That suck! How is the family? Did you both get assigned to the same base yet?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
"Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy boots and say that."-Steve Earle
no unfortunately
but we are still workin on it.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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That sucks. Well hopefully they will get that fixed soon.
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