Five who might have played final game in Dolphins uniform
by Matty I on Jan 19, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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PrintThis is the time of year when we all basically live off of nothing more than speculation. We have thoughts in our heads about who we want to see get signed or drafted by the Dolphins. But we also have thoughts about who should no longer remain in Miami.
And for varying reasons, the list below are five Dolphins who this front office will have to make some decisions about.
Jason Taylor, OLB
After a season apart, Dolphin fans everywhere were thrilled when we found out that Jason Taylor and the Dolphins would be reuniting in Miami. But while Taylor returned to Miami to play outside linebacker, JT became more of a run-stopping linebacker, playing the strong side in this 3-4 defense. He still recorded seven sacks, of course. But by the end of the year, there were rumblings that Taylor wasn't happy with his role as primarily a run stopper on early downs who came off the field in pass-rushing situations. Granted - JT had a right to be angry about that. Hell, I was angry.
But now Taylor is a free agent and you have to wonder about his desire to remain in Miami. You also have to wonder if the Dolphins want Taylor back. It's not that he didn't perform well, because he was pretty solid all season. But he'll be 36 before the season kicks off and he'll likely cost more than the incentive-filled $800,000 deal that he played under in '09.
Joey Porter, OLB
Perhaps Taylor's future depends on what the Dolphins decide to do about Joey Porter. After an outstanding seasin on 2008, Porter looked like a different player in 2009, tallying only nine sacks and just 41 tackles. Often, he looked sluggish on the field and was again a liability when teams ran at him.
Porter will also be 33 in March and clearly had some issues with the coaching staff - leading to his "healthy scratch" during the season. His mouth combined with his lack of production could run him right out of Miami. He's also owed a $1.2 million roster bonus in March to go with his $3.6 million salary for 2010. With there expected to be no salary cap, Porter could be cut with no real ramifications - saving the Dolphins nearly $5 million.
Oh - and Omar Kelly said of Porter when the Dolphins were clearing out their lockers that Porter was acting "as if he was leaving forever."
Gibril Wilson, FS
Maybe it's not Gibril's fault. Maybe this regime just made a terrible decision to sign him and play him at free safety, pairing him with Yeremiah Bell. Regardless, though, Wilson was the worst player on the field for the Dolphins in 2009, in my opinion. He was terrible in coverage and wasn't much better with his tackling - missing a number of critical tackles.
Wilson signed a 5 year, $27.5 million deal. Of that, $8 million was guaranteed. But the Dolphins have already paid out the guaranteed portion - with $5 million being a signing bonus, $2 million being a first-year signing bonus, and another million in 2009 as salary with a workout bonus. With no salary cap in place and no ramifications of having to spread out the hit of the guaranteed money over the next two years, the Dolphins can save the $3.9 million he's due in 2010 as well as $15 million he's due between 2011 and 2013.
If no new C.B.A. is reached and 2010 is uncapped, then it's almost a certainty that Wilson will be gone. And not a moment too soon, if you ask me.
Ted Ginn Jr., WR
There might not be a player on this roster that is more the exact opposite of what Bill Parcells wants in his players than Ted Ginn. He doesn't have any toughness and he seems to be mentally fragile in that he'll disappear in tight spots or after bad mistakes. Case in point: his 11 catch, 108 catch game against the Colts back in week two. It was a game that should have been a building block for Ginn. But he had the potential game-winning touchdown bounce off of his hands and it was all downhill from there.
He did have his moments, though. His huge touchdown catch against the Jets on Monday Night Football - beating Darrelle Revis for the score - was a big play. His two return touchdowns just a few weeks later in the Meadowlands was crucial to Miami winning that game. And his five catch, 82 yard performance against Houston nearly helped the Dolphins pull off a miracle comeback.
But how much longer do you give a player? On the positive side for Ginn, though, is that he's not expensive in 2010, due just $1.04 million. And no receiver on this team presents the kind of game-breaking ability that Ginn does. So this will be an interesting decision that the front office will make.
Akin Ayodele, ILB
Ayodele is a favorite of this regime because he represents everything this staff believes in. He's big, strong, and tough. And he's a leader in the locker room and a role model in the community.
But he'll be 31 in September, is slow and a liability in coverage, and has a bloated $3.25 million salary in 2010 - the final year of his deal. The Dolphins clearly need an upgrade at inside linebacker. Channing Crowder, who is recovering from a foot injury, will likely be healthy for training camp. But he's not a play-maker, neither. The Dolphins have to get that play-making ILB who can cover or blitz depending on the situation. And if they do, that would likely send Ayodele to the bench. Isn't over $3 million for a backup a little much?
So who stays and who goes? Give us your thoughts below.
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1st!
Ive already started a get rid of Ayodele bandwagon
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Jan 19, 2010 12:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
first?
i hope to see Taylor back for one more year, if not i pray he retires, it would be painful to see him in another uniform for what would most likely be the last year of a true Dolphin at heart
i would keep ginn and taylor everyone else throw out
As much as i like porter he is down in his career and wilson just plain stinks in coverage
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Jan 19, 2010 12:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed...
way to snap the first out from under me ya JERK lol
considering this is the 1st time we speak calling me a jerk Isnt nice lol
What up dude where you from
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Jan 19, 2010 1:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
haha im from the college town of Blacksburg Virginia
and that was the first time i EVER came remotely close to winning the first game…. thanks :P
a hoky fan?
Who cares i live in central jersey but originaly from miami and im 20
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Jan 19, 2010 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ginn doesnt need to be cut
traded maybe, but not cut.
isnt torbor a REALLY expensive backup ilb as well?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 AM EST reply actions
even JT?
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 19, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
he doesnt seem like the player he used to be. his age is isnt helping him.
by danthedolfan on Jan 19, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
yet he did damn well in a position he has never played
You gotta give the guy credit, at 36 hes still rocking ’em.
Not true
Taylor played the WLB and Porter played the SLB in 2007. Porter played out of his normal position in 07 and had a terriable year, then he moved over to WLB when Taylor was traded and Roth stepped in to play SLB,
by Ralph In Michigan on Jan 19, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Later Porter.
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The three linebackers mention are a good bet not to return, along with the safety...
Ginn I’m not so sure about. I think he stays if for only to throw the bomb to from Henne. lol
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Ginn's speed, a/k/a field-stretching ability is hard to replace at that price.
And if the ST blocking gets better, maybe he takes more KO to the house
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by PhinsTifosi on Jan 19, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Keep JT
That’s all I ask, take the other ones out back and do what you will but keep JT at least for one more year, if he wants. He’s just one of my favorite players and I’m hoping to go to my first Miami game next season and would love to see him play and maybe even get a picture or something. I know it’s selfish but w/e I can still dream lol : P
Keep JT and Ginn
We have one chance to cut Ayodele, Porter, and Wilson with this uncapped season and not have reprecussions. Let’s send them packing and sign JT for one season since we dont have many other outside linebackers beside Wake. I’m also up for dumping Torbor and his contarct as well. And with Ginn at the least we could always make him the kick returner.
I said..
keep JT! BUT!!! 4 less than a 1.5 mil. If not, then c u JT. Ginn! Keep him, he just cost a lil over 1mil, 4 the other, show then the door.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
If we cut Girbril, Porter and AK
Then resign JT to a 1.5-2 mil contract for another year. We will have the money to spend. And give Bess a nice long contract, he deserves it. I want to see this guy get a 5 year contract in place so we can keep seeing him improve under the bright lights of a Dolphins stadium (in a home jersey of course).
Guys that I feel we should can to take advantage of the no cap penalties
QB- White He’s cheap so money isnt the issue. His ability is. The guy hasn’t shown at all that he can throw the football. You should only keep 2 or 3 Qb’s on the roster. I really don’t want White taking up one of those spots for no reason.
WR- Camarillo and Ginn
Hartline makes Greg obsolete and Ginn is plain terrible.
TE- Haynos
We run alot of 2 te sets. Its was painful to see how ineffective Haynos was after the David Martin injury. He was so bad that Fasano a better receiving te had to stay in and block more because Haynos wasn’t up for it.
Line-
Smiley is an injury prone player with a big contract. Not a good combo. Nate Garner has shown that he can play in this league and play well. I am also torn on Jake Grove. i dont know what kind of player he is. He was flat out HORRIBLE in preseason and then was good after week 3. He got injured again which is part of his rep. So he is similar to Smiley in that regard. Hopefully another team will do some cost cutting like us and release better more dependable players.
D-line-
Nobody goes I like where were at
Linebacker-
Here comes a firesale. Everything must go. Porter, Taylor, Ayodele, Crowder, Torbor should be given walking papers. Crowder and Porter for not playing up to their contract’s. The rest for age and lack of production. I know this won’t be popular but damn we are plain terrible at LB. Wake being the only guy surviving. LB, LB LB in this years FA and draft.
Cornerback-
Torn on keeping Will Allen or not. You need 3 corners nowadays in the NFL. He would most likely make a terrific nickel. However Nate jones has shown that he can play in this league. He is younger but by no means does this mean he will be better than Allen. If we are real with ourselves we know we are still 1 or 2 years away from being competitive. So is it in our best interest to shed a big contract of a 30+ year old corner now when it cant hurt us financially?
Safety-
Another unpopular decision. Bell is not worth the money he received this past year. He is too slow to play a deep zone. Te’s have destroyed both of our safeties the past couple years. Miami knows this which is why they have started to play Culver more and more at safety. He has extremely well. You know how to tackle when you take down Chris Johnson in space. i dont need to talk about Wilson. He’s gone
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 19, 2010 1:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
yikes um
I would absolutely keep Camarillo, Bess AND Hartline. Do not cut any of them at all. I also would keep Haynos as well.
Also Bell and Will Allen need to be kept on IMO. I also feel that you saw what impact Crowder had when he was NOT on the field. I say keep him and maybe Taylor, but would not be heartbroken if the other 3 were gone.
James T Paulson
by Jtpdolphins2009 on Jan 19, 2010 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
Please none of this cut Crowder nonsense
There is a big fall off whens hes not on the field. He may not be a game changing ILB, but he’s a reliable ILB. Do we need a game changer ILB? yes. Do we need to get rid of Crowder? no.
I wont mind seeing JT back.
Cutting Ginn would be hard to do because i think he would be good working behind a true #1. But I like all the other receivers. Hartline will be a good #2, Cam catches everything and is a nice #2/slot, Bess is a good slot receiver. We need a number 1 receiver. Trading of Ginn wont be a bad idea.
by 54 on Jan 19, 2010 3:13 AM EST up reply actions
As much as I hate Crowder
He does get everyone lined up. But we need someone next to him that can make a play, because we all know he can’t.
Actually he doesn't
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 19, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Camarillo
is our best receiver hands down. This is even while recovering from a torn ACL… the man fights for every…single…yard.
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idk about that
one could most deff make a case for bess and his hands..
i would love to replace all these players
but it wont happen. give a couple years. to have that kind of overhaul we would have to have tons of cap space and draft picks
Im tryin to right my wrongs, but its funny how these same wrongs helped me write this song. - Mr. West
by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 19, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
nice write up Sou
WR
Cammy was the 2nd guy I thought of (after porter of course) when i read the top line… so i’m with you on this in a simple numbers game… they will bring in at least 1 new WR to be a big threat, likely 2… plus we have to expect turner to impove this year… so who are the low guys on the pole… harline is safe, bess is almost as safe, and then everyone else is on the chopping block…. turner you have to give some time with (maybe)… so now you have 3 … so ginn has speed buy was a mess (expect him to go for a middle round pick) and will they keep 6? don’t think so…
O-Line
agree with smiley, but i think the bigger target might be carey… yup he played hurt, but that seems to be a regular occurance these days and he gets owned by the better pass rushers… likely they only reason they signed him last year is well there wasn’t anyone better on the market…could easily see them clearing the cap space and remove the potential future cap hit from his signing bonus if they expect to have to cut him in 11 or 12 when the cap might be back… I think you are mostly wrong on grove… yup he got hurt (expected?) but right before that point he had geled with the rest of the line and was just killing guys… really ended up liking that signing.
QB
Surprised everyone missed Penny – aint no way he’s back…. you can’t undermine your young QB… but they could end up with an extra 5th rounder for him in 2011 in a compensation pick…
TE
Haynos/Fasano well – IMHO Haynos was a pretty good run blocking TE this year, and without a late push by fasano i figured there was no way fasono would be back… that said they do need a better pass catcher her and from the inverse of this list (players you thought you saw that last of) i could see them bringing martin back and letting fasano walk…
LB
i’ve been saying for 3 years that LB is the weak spot on this defense (well until they changed 3/4ths of the secondary last year) and the unexplained cutting of roth has only further weakend a poor unit… time to blow up this unit with some young blood.
The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 20, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
CP10 will be back, if no other team offers him a starting job.
He’s already said he wouldn’t mind being the backup to Henne, but only if he isn’t offered a starting job elsewhere.
heya man!
Didn’t miss CP, Nat accounted for him below.
Agree about Grove.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
reply about fasano and haynos
your right haynos was and is terrible and his total inability to block hurt fasanos game all year. i’m a big fasano fan and feel that he’s not being used enough. penny new how to get off fause fasano effectively and henne and for that matter henning are clueless. people talk about the games fasano didn’t have any receptions and that goes back to what you were saying. in those games fasano had to stay in and block not only because of haynos being useless but the O line in general is only mediocre at best when it comes to pass blocking. i look for fasano to have a real good year in 2010, and too much is being made of one bad game with those fumbles. everyone fumbles now and then . everyone should get off fasanos back i’m sick of all the mr perfects out there looking to crucify this guy.
If we could find a great coverage free safety “Fingers Crossed” (Eric Berry) to play with Bell I would keep him, but if not then I agree with you, go ahead and cut him. I think keep Will Allen just as a nickel, but even a bigger perk would he could still help Smith and Davis grow as elite corners.
Ireland said
That he really likes ginn, expect him to be back next year
"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind, and it's knockin' down Ted Ginn."
by Brettdolfan on Jan 19, 2010 1:31 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He is cheap..
and have , some ppl might call, breaking potential(?) Ginn should stay his LAST contract year.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
two things
one – that was in November when he said that
two – What was he going to say? that he hates Ginn and wants him off the team?
I think Ginn sticks around, too. But I don’t think Ireland’s comments in November to a group of web site operators/bloggers are really relevant here
This organization
doesn’t seem like the kind to publicly throw a player under the bus. Didn’t they say nothing but nice things about Wilson after the season?
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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they don't want to give another team the upper hand when it comes to possible trade talk
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Jan 19, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think you made a mistake, Matty
You mentioned a guy named Gibril Wilson or something – I’m sure that we left that position open last year most of the time and I don’t remember him. Anyway, 2010 is a new year lets clean house and reload for a good season this year.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
I think you meant Gerbil Wilson, right?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Natalya, where ever did you find that helmet in the UK?
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Jan 19, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
There's a market for anything these days...
I mean people buy jets jersey’s so why not Gerbil dolls…
I'm curious
Does anyone have a Wilson jersey?
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
oh for sure...
1 – his friends/family do
2 – every tight end we played
by Natalya on Jan 19, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFLMAO!
2 – every tight end we played
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, i thought he meant this guy
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, that's all added in post-production.
The furry guy with whiskers above is the real Gerbil Wilson & hey, once you realize that then you’ll understand his difficulties in tackling/covering tight ends.
The camera adds 10 lbs?
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
to EACH foot!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
Driver of the draft Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain at 12th pick bandwagon
by PhinsTifosi on Jan 19, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Is that Dallas Clark that he's hanging on?
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Cut Gibril
Hes a wast, Porter can go too because his mouth is a problem. I mean its one thing to talk trash but then getting creamed after it sucks. In my eyes we need to draft a ILB and OLB. Or at least pick somone up in FA. But I prefer the draft instead. Hopefully we can trade Camarillo (i know I know) or Ginn and maybe get us a nother pick in the 2nd or 3rd round. I want the luxury of having enough draft picks in the first 4 rounds that we can maybe get 3-5 potential starters.
would you trade for our WR's
I can’t think of one club that would give a 4th round pick for any of our WR’s.
All but Ginn should be axed/traded/handed out with the garbage
along with Torbor. Though I am afraid JT might be here another year taking snaps from someone that will be part of the future.
3 new 2010 starting LBers via 2010 draft
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
Prediction......
Ginn, Taylor, and Wilson stay.
Porter and Ayodele are sent packing (Porter before the draft, Ayodele after).
I want Taylor to retire
As a Dolphin and stay on as a coach, hes such a competitor but physically hes not a real asset anymore.
Keep JT
But limit his snaps. He wasn’t supposed to play every down this year anyway. Peezy is most likely the one who will not be here next season. Ginn paired with a legit #1 WR might be what he needs to blossom, I hope! The Gerbel will have to fight for his job during camp with Clemons. They’ll probably keep Akin because he’s a Parcells guy from Dallas.
Limiting plays is why he's so mad to begin with
The phins won’t cut him, but he’s more likely to just walk away, or retire
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
Creator of the Cameron Wake "Crossing the Border" Award
Keep as much of the talent as we can
JP is getting old but we still could use him for one more year. We have him under contract for one more year so no reason to bounce him
JT may not want to believe it but he is getting old. The best thing he can do is play for Sparono because he always wants to keep the paly count manageble for all his players. I would keep him if the price is right.
TG – The only problem with keeping him is the roster spot. You figure we have to pick up a #1 receiver so who do we cut. Turner or Ginn??
AA – I really am not a big fan of him. We need someone with speed that can cover TE and make plays around the perimiter as well. We already have a slow ILB with Crowder.
GW – I don’t think he is as bad as he played last year but the Dolphins are playing him out of position. If we can trade him to a team that might need a SS we might get something for him. Otherwise open up the roster spot for some young blood.
Keep JT and Ginn
JT
Wasn’t JT covering a receiver downfield against Pittsburgh at one point in the season finale? Could have sworn he was about 20 yards downfield breaking up a pass and doing a better job than Wilson did all year. Keep him, even at his age he is still the bets all-around linebacker on this team.
JP
Keep JP or trade him for whatever you can get above a 4th rounder. This draft is stacked with quality LBs so get an effective one for less.
TG
Keep Ted Ginn Jr. I almost can’t believe I said that, but TG was better towards the end of the season and he is better than what he showed us during the year. Yes, he is a chicken wearing cleats but he can be effective on long fly routes. He did beat Darell Revis this year (embarassed him really, considering how lights out Revis had been) and would have had another but for a penalty. In short he is worth a little $, but that is what he is getting paid.
AA
SELL, SELL, SELL. I mean TRADE, TRADE, TRADE. We have to pick up an ILB in this draft (still praying for McClain) or through free agency and in doing so would make AA and overpriced pine-rider. Get anything you can for him (if you can’t get anything then so be it), I’ll take a 6th rounder.
GW
Pay somebody to take him. Seriously, trade him and $2.5 million to anyone willing to part with a draft pick in round 5 or better or package him as part of another deal but get rid of him. I’ve seen so many say he could be better as a SS but he was abysmal at the chief role of a SS (tackling). He can’t cover to save his life and could be stiff-armed by a fly. Goodbye, good luck, good riddance.
There's a fine line between hopeful and desperate. Just look @ Jets fans.
by TheFinReaper on Jan 19, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
We'll take him back!
I know he had a down season for you guys and played out of position, but i’ve seen the guy play in NY for 4 years and we knew we was losing a talented player when he walked. And once again, i’ve seen some Dolphins games this year so i’ve seen with my eyes Gibril looking bad, but if you look at profootballfocus.com, he’s actually rated out as the 15th best safety in the league this year. and they only have 9 recorded missed tackles on my man. So maybe you guys are being a little to harsh on Gibril.
But hey, like i said, i’d welcome him back to NY with open arms.
He won't re-sign
He’s on to greener pastures
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
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Winner of the Pats Pulpit "Best Thread-Jacking" Award
yep
unless we could resign him cheap. His best attribute is as trigger man for the WC. But he is too oft injured, and RBs are a dime a dozen.
Hilliard is serviceable, and we could use a 3rd pick to grab a backup guy.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
let me get this staright
you would trade ronnie and probably not get more than a 2nd round pick that you would turn around and draft a backup RB in the 3rd round.
Then we go from having a a strong running team to having a big question mark.
If anything the big question is RIcky. What do we do with a 32-33 year old running back that is making 3+ mil a year when we have a few youngsters.
I tend to agree...
running back is one of the easier positions to fill. Shonn Greene had what, a 5.0 ypc avg, and he was a 3rd round pick.
RB's
Running backs are all about that last yard or that one broken tackle. When it comes to that Ronnie does an excelent job and he is still young enough to be a long term solution for us. So assuming we like to keep him and he comes in around $5 mil a year we could have this problem solved for the next 3 years without expending any draft picks in the next couple of years.
For you Hilliard fans you can see him come off the bench and judge his performance then.
there are really only two "elite" RBs in the league - IMO
two and a half if you count MJD.
the rest of the guys are good with good passing games to open up the run, and good run blocking, or are good against bad teams.
now i am not knocking “good”. but “good” can be found in the 3rd round.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I would like to keep JT
but get rid of Porter, Akin and for heaven sake Wilson. I was stoked to have Wilson here at the beginning of last year but I am all for kicking his but outta dixie. I also agree we need a game changing MLB not just a decent but slow contributor. Also I know I might take flack for this but I still think we should move Ronnie this off season. He is going to the path of LT and is going to want big dollars but its just too late in his career. It really is a shame because he is a stud but I just think his body has taken too much punishment to earn a long term contract. I will be honest thought I love Ronnie he is probably top 3 favorite player on our team. If he can sign long term for 2-3.5 mill then i say we keep him and look for a young heir in the draft.
What is ronnie worth?
Ricky is getting over 3 mil next year and just about any starter in the league is getting over 5 million. That being said I what do you think we could get for him if we traded him?
i think you trade him if you can.
and the only thing that makes it attractive is his salary. maybe you could get a 2nd. I doubt you would get anything better than that.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 19, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
for a very talented, but oft injured RB approaching b-day #30?
i’d say a 2nd round would be quite a bounty to pick up for him.
rb’s just aren’t worth as much as they used to be, not in this pass-pass-pass league.
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Love the guy, but people gotta realize he isn’t the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders
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Whoever the Fins trade or cut something needs to be done about this defense. I’m really not all that concerned about the offense. However, the way that this defense played is not unacceptable. I think JT will play one more season. Ginn will stay. The jury is still out on the rest. I would love if Porter can have a productive season like 2008. However, a major weakness of these linebackers is pass coverage.
Keep JT and ginn
The rest of the players above should traded or cut. I loved Peezy of ‘08, but his act has gotten old and he can’t back it up. Akin and Wilson were the worst defenders on the team. I still want to see ginn paired with a true # 1 first before getting rid of him. JT is a legend with the phins, got to keep him.
by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Jan 19, 2010 10:46 AM EST reply actions
For sure
Gibril is gone, too expensive to play back up and is not an FS. The regime needs to make a clean cut and admit their mistake
I think AA leaves too since Torbor did well when he played, and we need a new starter. Torbor is a good back up
Ginn stays for 1 more year, and one of JT and JP
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by MoLimits on Jan 19, 2010 11:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ginn
At that price needs to stick around, unless they get some sort of trade value for him— which isn’t likely. So he gets one more year to show what he’s got.
Let Jason Taylor be Jason Taylor rushing from def end or linebacker and you want him back, if not say bye bye, Joey Porter seemed a liability this year if his heart ain’t here then why is he? Gibril who? get rid of him. I thot from day 1 that Ginn jr was a mistake, have given him time but he hasn’t changed my mind. Ayodele is a ? for me if he can improve his big play ability then ok if not good bye. Ricky only has a year left(most likely) so lets get another running back. One is not enough in this day and age, remember when we had Kiick and Czonka we needed 2 then and still need 2.
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Keep Taylor and Ginn. Ginn is cheap ( no replacement yet) and Taylor may come back with a promise of being used to his strengths. Let Porter, Ayodele, Wilson go. Torbor and Crowder are also on borrowed time also. Maybe a new defensive coordinator and linebackers coach will wake Crowder up. Seems to me, he got his new contract and went into slacker mode.
Cut them all except JT
Yes that includes Ginn. If I never see that nancy in a dolphins uniform again it won’t bug me.
Draft Brandon Spikes to quarterback the defense. Let JT have a year to hand over the leadership mantle.
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by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jan 19, 2010 4:59 PM EST reply actions
agree with them all
dont want to see any of them next year, MAYBE ginn, and MAYBE akin if he is cheap and a backup, but thats it
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Porter is guaranteed 2.4 mil this year wether he plays or not,
so I doubt he is going anywhere, 41 tackles is about avg for Peezy and so is 9 sacks, which leads the team, again, there may be other troubles, but unless they’re really bad he’ll be back IMO.
When 9 is leading, u got some problems
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We didn't really have problems rushing the passer, we were 3rd in sacks only 4 behind the leader,
also there are only 14 guys with 10 sacks or more, Peezy was tied for 16th in the league.
I think we have to take a step back and realize that just because he didn’t have 17 sacks doesn’t mean he’s done, nine is more typical for Peezy anyway, he’s had more than 9 sacks just 3 times in his career.
We gotta remember people, only 15 players had more than 9 sacks this year, 9 sacks is still good, lol.
by uncle finster on Jan 20, 2010 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think Peezy will be gone due to a lack of production.
I think the combination of age and his combative attitude will lead to his exit. Not to mention the depth we had at OLB. Taylor seems more likely to get another contract, for his leadership and mentorship for the inexperienced guys stepping into Porters spot (Wake, Anderson, Moses, 1 or 2 rookies).
who should we dump
Like most I agree that the Wilson experiment did not work, he is expendable. And on that subject you can put Joey Porter(U need to back up your words) and he did’nt. Ayodele is to slow for his position he could’nt cover any TE in the league, Torbor is an overpaid special team player and an OK back-up but not at his salary, Haynos is an ok receiver but, his blockins sucks. When Martin went down Fasano had to become a primary blocker so his numbers suffered, I would love to keep Chad Pennington but not as A player I think he would be A great QB coach. I don’t believe physically he will be able to play again with his laundry list of injuries. The only way I would get rid of Ginn is with A 2nd or 3rd round trade. He will be cheap and use him on kick returns and the occasional fly pattern. As for team needs, and there are plenty, we need ILB,OLB,S,Back up QB(unless you keep Thigpen) Pat White has alot of heart but not the ability to play QB in the NFL. OH yeah don’t forget about Wide Receivers. Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline are all possession receivers and put no fear for anyones Defense. Maybe we could grab Golden Tate in the 2nd round, or someone of his caliber(U can forget Dez Bryant and all his luggage he brings) Parcells will not put up with his crap. In close the phins are still 2 years away from talking SuperBowl or even conference Champs
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I think that they will all be let go
except JT and Ginn, depending on how things go in the offseason. I can see Ginn staying if we get someone to be a #1 receiver or we don’t get someone to be a kick returner. As for JT, if he will be willing to take a cheap contract again, I think he will probably stay for one more season.
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The 5
Taylor is way over rated. He has been in my opinion a hyped up player that hasn’t produced enough to ever have paid him the money he has recieved. In fact, the only reason he ended back up with the fins this past season is because he was a quick fix.He is so loved because Dolphin fans haven’t ever had any better.Joey was a good one.Was!!!! And the rest are just average at best players.
I think(and all you others that claim to know it all will probably find something wrong with this comment)that all 5 need to be let go.The Dolphins need 2 WRs that can catch the ball —period.Maybe go after Bolin from the Cardinals,?He’s not the best-But he’s way better than Ginn-WAY BETTER.I bet you’ll see Roy Williams from Dallas in the mix.Not that he is anything but another over rated reciever. But again better than Ginn. LBs and serious secondary help.So who do ya go after for those spots
Cut the 5 loose and spend some money Bill.
QB is fine in my opinion.I think Henne will continue to grow.Even more so if he can get 2 WRs worth anything above hype to throw the ball to.I would also like to see the Dolphins go get a worthy TE.
So blast way guys.
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