Weekend Roundup: Talking defensive coordinators and the draft
by Matty I on Jan 18, 2010 12:15 AM EST
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Well it was another dud of an NFL playoff weekend - in terms of the quality of the games. For the second weekend in a row, three of the four playoff games weren't close. And the other one? Well it was probably hard for Dolphin fans to watch.
I think Sean Smith said it best via his Twitter account, "Wow...Jets huh?! Lol."
Are the Jets the luckiest team in the NFL? How else can you explain Philip Rivers throwing an interception right to a Jets defender's hands with no real target in the area? Or how about Nate Kaeding, who had missed only three field goals all season long, missing three field goals on Sunday - two of which were 40 yards or shorter? Regardless, you have to credit the Jets for turning a 60 minute game into what was essentially a 15 minute game. That's how you beat superior teams.
What I learned this weekend is simple. One - you need to have luck on your side this time of the year. And two - the Dolphins aren't that far off. After all, the Dolphins were just one Ted Ginn drop in the endzone from being 3-0 against the two teams in the AFC title game.
Enough of that, though. Let's move on.
Defensive coordinator search to heat up
The Dolphins will continue their search for their next defensive coordinator this week and you have to imagine things will come to a head pretty soon. With Al Groh and Keith Butler now out of the running, there are still a number of directions the Dolphins could turn. They could turn to Pepper Johnson - a guy with two Super Bowl rings while playing linebacker for Bill Parcells' Giants teams. He's currently the defensive line coach in New England.
Bryan Cox is the defensive line coach in Cleveland. That would be interesting to see him back in Miami roaming the sidelines. But he has little experience as an NFL coach and probably isn't ready to run a defense.
This past weekend's results may have helped the Dolphins as well. With Dallas losing on Sunday, Cowboy linebackers coach Reggie Herring would be available for an interview. As would Ravens linebacker coach Vic Fangio. I have a feeling we should keep a close eye on both of these guys.
Rolando McClain a "beautiful fit"?
It's no secret around these parts that my dream scenario for the Dolphins in the draft would be for safety Eric Berry to somehow fall to Miami's pick. But that's not going to happen. So number two on my wish list is Alabama inside linebacker Rolando McClain. And the "McClain bandwagon" is clearly getting revved up in the media.
Draftinsiders.com's Frank Coyle thinks that Miami's ideal scenario would be for the best linebacker prospect since Patrick Willis to fall to them. But what if he doesn't?
"McClain is a beautiful fit, but if he's not available, I would trade down from 12," says Coyle.
A lot of fans don't like the idea of trading down. But it might make some sense depending on who is available. We're going to talk much more about the draft in the coming weeks so I won't get too far into this. But I will just ask that if McClain was gone (and WR Dez Bryant was either already drafted or removed from Miami's draft board because of, among other things, who is agent is), where would you turn with that 12th overall pick?
Don't hold out hope for Boldin
After Arizona's loss to to New Orleans on Saturday, Armando Salguero caught up with Anquan Boldin. And those pushing for Boldin to come to Miami won't like what Anquan said.
Boldin, you see, told me as he walked out of the Arizona locker room that he will not request a trade this offseason.
"No," Boldin told me following Arizona's 45-14 loss to New Orleans said. "I'm going to let it play out."
"I can't do anything one way or the other," he said. "If I go to them and request a trade, it don't matter. I'm under contract for another year. So no matter what I say or do, that won't change anything. I'm under contract for another year. So whatever happens, it depends on what the Cardinals want to do. I'm not worried about it at all."
I can't say I'm at all shocked. I never really thought he'd ever end up here in Miami. Nor am I disappointed.
I love the kind of player Boldin is on the field. But he's just not on the field enough. Besides missing both of Arizona's playoff games this year, Boldin missed ten regular season games over the past three seasons. In fact, he's only played in all 16 games twice in his career. And he'll be turning 30 in October. Would trading away the kind of compensation Arizona would want for "Q" be worth it for a 30 year old receiver who plays so physical that he gets hurt a lot? Probably not.
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I have no clue who we are gonna get to replace our DC, short of in-house moves
R. Ryan’s going to Oakland, Wade’s staying put, Haslett’s going to St. Louis, Pepper will probably be a patriot, Groh and Butler are out. Perhaps we might snatch a college coach somewhere? Any word on enterprising NCAA coaches, san Groh?
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 12:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Draft?
I would have to agree with you Matty I would love Berry or McClain, but if we can’t get either of them then we are almost forced to trade down. Anyone else who doesn’t fall out of the top 10 would be a reach at 12.
by Bluechips85 on Jan 18, 2010 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sean Smith should stick to playing. If he and the rest of the secondary
had been a little bit more like the Jets’ secondary maybe we would be there instead of the Jets. How does it go Sean? lol right?
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could run his mouth all he wants remember we swept them.
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by DPL3 Rollin on Jan 18, 2010 3:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We swept them all right, but our secondary -including Smith- cost us a shot at the
playoffs. So I’d stick to being better prepared next season and be ready to talk on the field. I don’t see Darrelle Revis “tweeting”.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the first talking I have heard of from SS. I think he did an EXCELLENT job his rookie year!
You can not hold SS responsible for all our defensive letdowns. And I don’t think he was really being disrespectful of the Jets, just surprised, as I was.
Don’t forget it was Revis that was burned by that Ginn TD bomb!
Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)
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by PhinsTifosi on Jan 18, 2010 4:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Smith did not cost us a shot at the playoffs...
Now if you want to blame Gibril Wilson… or our defensive coordinator….
by Jason Scott_90 on Jan 18, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know the season is over for us but his name still doesn't change. Gibril = Gerbil
Gerbil will forever be his name unless hi proves himself worthy of a change.
Remember Gibril = GERBIL
by D0lphins4Life on Jan 18, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Matty. I wouldn't have expected all this "Jets don't deserve to be there"
from you. Regardless of the Colts game back in the season, the Jets are in the AFC Championship game because they went and beat two division leaders in their own home with their own crowd.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 1:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not sure where I said they don't deserve to be there
by Matty I on Jan 18, 2010 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Implying they are there because of luck.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say it was a mixture of both
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes thats all you need.
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by el presidente 00 on Jan 18, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Nicky says: luck is when hard work meets opportunity
In this case luck is when talent and good coaching met oppotunity. The Jets have an awesome defense. When you have the #1 defense with such complex blitz packages and talented safeties and corners, sure, there will be times were the qb throws to no man’s land.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I picked The Jets to win,
even though it pained me to do so. After Vincent Jackson, San Diego just wasn’t very deep at receiver. Obviously, he was going to be covered by Revis, so that pretty much shuts down their passing game. The Jets defense just matched up too well with San Diego’s offense. The Colts are going to crush The Jets though. They have too many receiving threats for The Jets secondary to deal with.
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by joel311 on Jan 18, 2010 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets have done well in the playoffs but...
Are the Jets the luckiest team in the NFL?
I’ll take it a bit futher Matty. The Jets wouldn’t had even MADE the playoffs if the Colts and Bengals would’ve played all their starters like meaningful games instead of just handing the Jets Ws and letting them in.
I’m not saying they we deserve to be in and not them, cause we really sucked it up, All I’m saying is that I hope the Fins have to play 2 real good teams at the end of thier schedule when they got everything locked up so we can get a few easy wins too,
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by Neo on Jan 18, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo!
we have a winner.
Peyton Manning plays the full game and the jets & rex ryan are home for the playoffs.
I’ll give credit where it is due: they went on the road and beat Cincy, then SD. That’s for sure but the fact that they had a chance to even participate in the playoffs, well they can thank jim caldwell for that one.
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Karma is a bitch!
I am actually going to cheer for the Jets against the Colts this week and I don’t care how much crap I take for it! I want the Jets to beat the team that laid down and let them into the playoffs.
by ct1361 on Jan 18, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How disturbing is that..?!!
You’re expecting the same results as the first meet in the season?
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by Alpha6 on Jan 18, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Say it aint so ct!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well CT
I think the city of Indy would rip Jim Caldwell ‘a new one’ if the jets beat the colts this weekend.
We all know how much debate there was about the colts, as you said, laying down during that game. If they beat the jets then all is forgiven & forgotten.
But oh my, if the jets go up and beat them…..
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't it Polian's decision to remove the starters?
by Matty I on Jan 18, 2010 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Polian's decision
I just don’t like the fact that they didn’t play to win the game. Especially after they let their starters play 2+ quarters. I just think that it would be fitting if the team the Colts decided to rest their players against to make a Super Bowl run, eliminated them from getting to the Super Bowl. Especially since the Jets wouldn’t even be in the playoffs if the Colts had beat them in the regular season.
by ct1361 on Jan 18, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah it may have come from the front office as you say...
what irony though…
pull the starters, which is the only reason your opponent makes the playoff…
and now you play the very same team for the right to go to the SB.
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some people did speculate though that the Colts were aiming
to get the jets into the playoffs so that tougher teams might stay out of the playoffs, say Pit or Houston. Im not saying they orchestrated everything knowing the Jets would go and beat Cin and SD, but they did have some kind of a plan to make their lives easier.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we shall see if that plan worked out for them this weekend.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was that arrogant prick's decision far and away. Not only that,
but a day later he went off on innocent callers on his radio show and even left the show 15 minutes before it ended. If you have some money stashed go to your bookie haha this one’s one the football gods.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be a good break for a change...
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
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by Neo on Jan 18, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mcclain would be great at #12, however, im still a strong supporter that if mcclain is gone, we get dez bryant
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by el presidente 00 on Jan 18, 2010 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seems the name Ted Gunn, is always around that "one not dropped" and we have a good record...
Not something that is good for a receiver….
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by Alpha6 on Jan 18, 2010 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU.
Pass interference anyone? The defender held his left arm all day long.
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by joel311 on Jan 18, 2010 3:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what's wrong with Dez Bryant and his agent?
I’m not too into Collage players and stuff like that since I can’t stand Collage football, but who’s his agent? Also I can’t believe the Jest got a free pass into the Playoffs and actually made it that far. : (
by Maguss on Jan 18, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Eugene Parker
The worst agent in football
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just looked him up and saw
Micheal Crabtree, all I needed to know thanks!
by Maguss on Jan 18, 2010 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How did The Jets get a free pass?
They ended their season with W’s, unlike every other playoff contending team in the AFC. Seems like they earned it.
What sets Miami fans and Jets fans apart is that we can admit when The Jets played well, can’t we?
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by joel311 on Jan 18, 2010 4:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have You guys seen Derrick Morgan?
One thing that our defense lacks is that one big, strong badass dude that is also a great pass rusher. This guy Derrick Morgan could possibly be a great compliment to Wake and Starks, especially if they made a switch to the 4-3. It just seems to me that out personnel best fits a 4-3. We could draft some LB’s and get a nice veteran safety and we’d be on our way. Check this guy out on youtube.
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by AussieKen on Jan 18, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How often has Parcells run a 4-3?
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by joel311 on Jan 18, 2010 4:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells is not the coach, Sparano is.
When it was previously addressed Sparano said that it depends on personnel. I think looking at what we have now its more 4-3 material than 3-4, unless we can somehow land McClain, from the 2010 National champion Alabama Crimson Tide.(Roll Tide!!) Sparano doesn’t always tell us everything but he never lies.
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by AussieKen on Jan 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But in the end Sparano works for Parcells and in the real world if you dont do as the
boss wants then he will find someone that will.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I believe Sparano that if the personnel fits then they’ll go to a 4-3. Looking at the draft and our team I just think going to the 4-3 is possible, especially since we don’t even have a DC.
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by AussieKen on Jan 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think its impossible that it will happen.
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No 4-3 for Parcells
I doubt he’ll change his philosophy just for one player. DM can’t drop into coverage.
by dohboy24 on Jan 18, 2010 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
poetic justice
If the jets beat the colts, how will they feel about pulling their starters in that game, if the colts win, the jets are home watching and the texans are in. I will laugh if that happens
by dolphan63 on Jan 18, 2010 4:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
draft
if we cant get mclain at 12 then we should drop to around 16 and pick up another draft pick, we could maybe get dan williams as nose tackle or brandon spikes
by dolphan63 on Jan 18, 2010 5:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I Hate the JETS
I hate Ryan and i just cant help it. There was a lot of luck to get them there. Granted be the defense played very good.
by dolfan52 on Jan 18, 2010 6:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
In House Promotion for DC
How bout this for a dream and a prayer. In some fit of insanity Parcells himself descends down from his exec. box and runs the defense! I am sure there are many playcallers in the NFL that would not want to call a game against him whether he is calling the O or the D or the whole darn game!!! He has certainly seen his fair share of football contests.
So how about it?? Come on Tuna its time to put ur more than capable football genious tail fin back on the sideline for a season or two and take us there!!!
by labrat3105 on Jan 18, 2010 6:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We can dream but reality says it won’t happen. Tuna does help out during mini camps, training camp and some practices. He wants it to be Sparano’s team as it should be.
by Big Dawgg on Jan 18, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we are to get a DC,
I think he should be a LB’s coach or secondary coach.
Both, positions need training.
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by Kdog92 on Jan 18, 2010 7:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A lot of mock drafts
have McClain going to Denver picking ahead of us. It seems they’re in need of LB. Just to throw this out there – our 1st and Ginn to move up to 8 or 9. Too bad we didn’t keep Roth – just letting him go like that. He would have been tradeable to in a nice package in April. Anyone?
by Valentine14 on Jan 18, 2010 8:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Al Wilson is still a donko correct?
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 18, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
I don’t see McClain being avilable at 12. I expect the Fins to target OLB who can rush the passer and play the run. Possibly safety. I also don’t see the Fins trading down. Who else is going to want to trade up based on what is available?
by Big Dawgg on Jan 18, 2010 9:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kindle?
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by Patssuck456 on Jan 18, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Kindle a lot
but 12 might be too high for him, that’s all.
by Matty I on Jan 18, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If McClain and Bryant are gone
the pick should be Spiller! Every other position of need would likely be a reach at this point. Ideally we would trade down, but you can’t predict that.
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 9:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with trading down?
What if no one is worth taking at #12? Why force a pick if you can drop down and get some more picks? As for OLB, no one so far has separated himself from the pack.
by dohboy24 on Jan 18, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
nothing is "wrong" with trading down
but there has to be a team interested in moving up
by Matty I on Jan 18, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for making the obvious but
soooo oft forgotten point: to trade down, someone has got to want to trade up. Given the money involved & complications, that’s easier said than done.
One odd thing that might happen is a team with a foolish GM wanting to trade up for…….(wait for it)………TEBOW..
that would be one way we could get a trading partner to move out of 12.
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But I still dont know why!
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by texascowpunk on Jan 18, 2010 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just that it's Jacksonville pick....
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by Alpha6 on Jan 18, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, Maybe not...
Assuming Jax has the #10, which I think they or Denver have it – anyway, Jax will pick 10 or 11………..still no guarantee of them taking Tebow.
SF seems like a candidate seeing as Alex Smith didn’t wow anybody last season. A bit of a long shot would be Arizona if Warner were to retire & they more or less decide Leinart ain’t gonna get it done (which seems likely) and then wanted to move up.
Why Tebow so early? About the only rationale is to put people in the stands which has been a problem for them for a long, long time in Jax. In terms of where he stands compared to other players in the class, I don’t think he’s anywhere near the 10th best player but the situation in Jax is unique I suppose.
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well If I might say Alex Smith did wow a lot of people down in San Fran.
A friend of mine is a diehard and was impressed with his development. Not only the way he played, reducing mistakes and being more accurate, plus still having #1 overall pick talent. But by they new way he emotionally approached his role as the starting QB. I watched him play a couple of plays and I’d be glad to have a qb like him on my team. Yes, he is not a top 10 Qb, but he will be a very solid one. I guarantee it.
Leinart, that’s a whole other story. I thought he was doing well at the beginning of the pre season and some games he played in like the one late against Tennessee. However, at the end on that GB week 17 game you could see something is off with him.
Exactly, because of Jacksonville. They need to pick him, not only for the “put people in the stands” reason, because they don’t want to be the “Pitsburgh” team that passed on a local legend. You can say what you want about Tebow, but it would be pretty stupid for someone to completely disregard what he can do in the NFL. As a GM you need to know he is a huge gamble, but he is also a project with stupid upside. Either he busts, or he is making the pro bowl for the next 10 years. If you saw him play against Cincinati on his last game as a Gator you need to be blind not to see this guy is a playmaker and with the right tutoring could be translating his success to the NFL.
by MauMontaV5 on Jan 18, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I agree completely on the idea
If no McClain and no Bryant (whatever the reason) trade down and stack of 2nd rounders where WR like Arrelius Benn, Demaryius Thomas (I have a feeling in this guy), Gilyard will be available.
In the 1st Brandon Spikes will be there or Sergio Kindle someone?
by Mexican_ on Jan 18, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what are the odds...
So what are the odds of us trading up and getting Eric Berry…I mean I watched the guy play every game the last 3 years because I live in Knoxville how of the Vols and let me assure you…HE IS WORTH MOVING UP TO GET! He is that good. Thoughts?
by Nathaniel Bishop on Jan 18, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trading into the top 5 would be financial and draft pick suicide
and Parcells would never do that. If Berry fell out of the top 7, then moving up would be a consideration, but I still doubt the front office would pull the trigger. They value draft picks too much. Personally, I would be willing to trade up to a 4th rounder, which would probably only allow us to move up to 9 or 10. The team still has too many holes to fill to be putting all our eggs in one basket. There will be some very good talent available at 12, and later if they can trade down.
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we'll trade up
Unless it’s a couple of spots to get McClain. But I still doubt it.
by dohboy24 on Jan 18, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DC idea: From the College Ranks Kirby Smart (Nick Saban's Alabama DC)
Bill Sheridan could mentor him on the finer points of being an NFL DC and hopefully tell him a lot of:
Don’t do that, I tried it (or didn’t try it) and got fired…
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by DolphDallas on Jan 18, 2010 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
JETS
I HATE the jets… but you all need to admit – they shut down a pretty good charger team. REVIS is the BEST CB in the league right now…and that FAT slob Ryan… well he is IN THE AFC championship, great DEF can make their own luck, and that’s what they did. I am so jealous I could scream ! &^$%#^(O&^#…worst part is that we are not even close to them on DEFENSE. Don’t kid yourself, and the slob’s D schemes are very good – something miami coaches don’t understand.
Drafting Mcclain and finding another OLB/safety would go a long way toward fixing this BROKEN Defense. But we simply MUST get a young, fast, big WR…Please do not draft ANYONE FROM TN…. they always fail in Miami…Eddie Moore, Jason Allen anyone ??? 1 Safety is not going to fix this team… How about finding a “Parcells” gem in the later rounds that can play S & cover is that so freaking hard ?Most NFL safetys were NOT 1st or 2nd round picks – count on that.
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DRAFT a #1 WR now.........
by 62Lou on Jan 18, 2010 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
The Jets are what we are trying to be. Run the ball and play great defense.
by dohboy24 on Jan 18, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting how the jets & fins had identical records
after 15 weeks of the regular season: 7-7
by Natalya on Jan 18, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Herring or Fangio
Herring comes from Dallas, so BP probably knows him. Fangio, because Baltimore knows defense.
by dohboy24 on Jan 18, 2010 10:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about Earl Thomas from Texas? Being a Texas fan and being able to watch him for 2 years, he is the real deal
by eaheckman10 on Jan 18, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
With the 12th pick in the 2010 NFL draft . . .
If McClain isn’t there, you could still go defensive. Suh isn’t going to slip that far, but a good quality NT should.
A NT like Cody from Bama or Williams from Tenn may seem like a reach, but Ireland didn’t mind reaching for Hartline and look how that turned out: the kid had talent.
It wouldn’t be too bad of a reach and it satisfies need and depth at the NT position. Ferguson can still play, but he’s getting old. It’s time to find a franchise NT.
by ImBlue on Jan 18, 2010 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we trade down Cody will still be there even in the 2nd round
Seems like there are many concerns about his conditioning
by Mexican_ on Jan 18, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How was Hartline a reach
when they stated they liked Hartline more than ALL the WRs they worked out?It may seem like a reach to some people but they saw him as a steal and they were correct.
by firedanhenningnow on Jan 18, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to all the scouting reports I've read
Cody and Williams would both be a sizeable reach at 12. Of course, this might change by the time the draft rolls around. But I don’t think it’s smart to reach in the first round (later rounds has more flexibility though)
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hello, You play to win the game
Herm Edwards for DC.
God is Great,
Beer is good
and people are crazy.
Phyrmun
by phyrmun on Jan 18, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
where would you turn with that 12th overall pick?
Arrelious Benn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOEqkXIzZFM
Got that break away speed along with good hands.
by OzFraud on Jan 18, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just as posted a few lines up
Trade down and Arrelius Benn will still be there
by Mexican_ on Jan 18, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McClain is an extremely solid prospect, but I wouldn't put us out of the running for him just yet
There’s always a few players who lift their draft stock with a strong combine performance, so let’s hope a few players move up and wash McClain all the way down to #12.
Of course, McClain could blow up the combine and propel his own stock, so who knows.
As of right now, I think CJ Spiller, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, Dan Williams and Jerry Hughes are going to have outstanding combines.
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Damian Williams or Arrelious Benn in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Jan 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And Earl Thomas wouldn't be a bad pick for us
He would almost certainly be an improvement over Gerbil, but I think our needs at LB and NT outweigh our deficiency at the safety position right now. Tough to say, though. I like that idea.
kmb8488 -- The Johnny Lawrence of the Phinsider!
Damian Williams or Arrelious Benn in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Jan 18, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Earl Thomas is small
This regime has very strict criteria for their first round picks, so I think they would be less likely to take him because of his size.
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Eric Berry 5'11, 200 or so?
That’s not by any means huge. Thomas is like 5’11, 196.
I am just going to hold out hope that we land McClain at #12.
kmb8488 -- The Johnny Lawrence of the Phinsider!
Damian Williams or Arrelious Benn in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Jan 18, 2010 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas's numbers must be inflated
Have u ever seen the guy? He looks significantly smaller than Berry, more like 166 lbs
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then again, maybe every time i saw him it was next to someone big, making him look small
but even if he is biggern than my perception of him, i still think Thomas at 12 is a bit of a reach
by kcorona4 on Jan 18, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they try to trade down
Please no WR in the first unless its at the end. Maybe they should trade up a few spots to secure someone they really like. But i have a feeling after the senior bowl, they will have a good idea for players undervalued, and they stockpile more picks if possible to get those guys. We still have a long way till the draft. With the senior bowl and combine coming up, player’s stock will change between now and then…it always does.
by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Jan 18, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
as far the jets
isn’t funny how we had no trouble with the “#1 def”? Henne was better than carson and rivers. A key to beating them is running the ball, and the chargers couldn’t do it, I hope the colts can!!
by Phins 08 AFC East Champs on Jan 18, 2010 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As much as it pains me to say
anything positive about the Jets…They dominated us defensively in the 2nd game…if not for (and here comes some more pain) Ted Ginn, we would not have won that 2nd game.
by DanM on Jan 18, 2010 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lest I say it again
Who says we don’t go down and score on those drives like the one right afterwards. We do that and we win by even more, because we don’t give the Jets time to score again.
If Mini Anden and Percy Harvin had a kid, and that kid grew up to play Syracuse basketball….ragnarok.
by Farorefox on Jan 18, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. KR TDs are a nightmare for a defense that just got off the field
And why are we playing “what ifs?”
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Damian Williams or Arrelious Benn in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Jan 18, 2010 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New DC available!
Defensive coordinator Mike Nolan and the Broncos have agreed to part ways after only one season together, NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi confirmed through a league source.
Nolan’s Denver defense ranked seventh overall in the NFL, allowing just 315 yards per game, but it was 26th against the run (128.7 ypg). It ranked third against the pass (186.3 ypg).
The Broncos (8-8) lost eight of their last 10 games to miss the playoffs this season.
Nolan joined Josh McDaniels‘ first Broncos staff last January, just months after he was fired as the 49ers’ coach halfway through the 2008 season. Nolan previously served as the defensive coordinator for the Ravens, Jets, Redskins and Giants
by MdDolfan on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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