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Realistic Expectations of our 53 Man Roster


You might be wondering what I mean by a realistic expectation.  With that, I'm implying my expectations will not be based on what I think a guy is capable of doing, what I hope he can do, or what I think he can do.  My expectations are based on what a player has done.  Because all the hopes and dreams of every fan in the world doesn't equal production on the field.

So with that in mind, let's take a look at the team we're fielding for the 2009 season.

QB - Chad Pennington, Chad Henne, Pat White

         My biggest concerns here is the health of CP10, and can Henne step up if needed.  I shouldn't have to remind all of you that CP10 has never, in his 9 year career, played two consecutive 16 game seasons.  He's actually only played two 16 game seasons in those 9 years.  Now do I think we can win it all with CP10?  Yes, I do.  He may not have a cannon for an arm, but when given time, can pick apart any defense.  Now should the unfortunate happen, and CP10 goes down.  Are we really that confident Henne can take over the reigns?  I'm not fully convinced yet.  He takes way too long to progress through his reads, resulting in 7 sacks this preseason.  He may have a strong arm, but teams can take that away with lots of blitzes.  Now Pat White, IMO, is most likely never going to be our starting QB.  I think he was drafted purely as a situational QB for spread formations, and variations of the Wildcat.  I know some of you may think spending a 2nd round pick is too high for that.  But if they expand the wildcat and throw in some spread formations, he could be looking at around 15-20 snaps per game maybe more.  It's the added dimensions to those formations his presence adds, that makes using the 2nd round pick worth it.

 

RB/FB - Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Lex Hilliard, Lousaka Polite

         This may cause the most debate as to what do we expect from our RB corps.  Well, as the past would seem to tell us, not too much would be the answer.  Now I would like to believe, with our revamped OL and Ronnie a year removed from his major injury, that we can expect Ronnie to become a 1500+ yd 15+ TD back.  I think he has the talent to do it, but until he actually goes out and does it, I don't believe this FO is going to even think about offering him another contract.  This is the NFL, otherwise known as "The What Have You Done For Me Lately League".  Potential is reserved for rookies, not 5th year players.  Ricky will serve once again as a serviceable change of pace to Ronnie, giving Ronnie a chance to catch his breath.  Although I feel they need to tone down Ricky's touches and use Brown more.  Cobbs will serve as the ever reliable utility back/3rd down back/ST.  I'd expect pretty much the same from him this year, as we got last year.  I would like to see Polite get more carries on 3rd/4th and short downs.  The guy converted 9 of 10 last year during the season, yet they don't use him on 3rd and goal or 4th and goal in the playoff loss to Baltimore.  That was a demoralizing moment that showed Baltimore we don't trust our running game, and needless to say, they used it.  Hilliard is an interesting choice to make the roster, simply due to the fact that Ricky just signed a two year extension, Ronnie will most likely be under contract next year, as are Polite and Cobbs.  The only thing I can think that makes any sense is that they try to bulk him up to 250-260 and play FB.  He's already 240, so he's almost FB size anyways.  He could also be trade fodder by week 6.  Either way, he's not likely to get many touches.

 

WR - Ted Ginn Jr., Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo, Brian Hartline, Patrick Turner

          On to our biggest group of over-acheivers.  With no true #1 receiver in this group, this corp has had to rely on playing better than anyone thought they were (Bess and Camarillo, I'm talking to you).  Ginn is still the fastest of the group, but unfortunately, he's also the smallest of the group as well.  Which will continue to get him jammed at the line of scrimmage by bigger more physical CBs.  Bess and Camarillo are basically the same type of receiver (good hands, good route running), with Camarillo being a bit taller and faster, and Bess being tougher to bring down.  Will Camarillo be able to shake off the injury, and go back to pre-injury form?  He's looked a bit hesitant at times with that knee, which is to be expected after that type of injury.  Hartline and Turner are the wildcards of the bunch, as we've only been able to see what they can do in limited action during the preseason.  Turner showed early on in OTAs that he has the hands and big body we've been looking for in a possession/red zone receiver, but for some reason seems to have had his playing time diminished as the preseason came to a close.  Hartline on the other hand, had his playing time increase during the preseason which shows the coaches seem to like what they've seen from him.  But other than beating up on 2nd and 3rd string DBs, I haven't seen anything to get me overexcited.  If he can show up, and prove he can play just as good against starting DBs.  Then I'll jump on the bandwagon.

 

TE - Anthony Fasano, Joey Hanos, John Nalbone

        This could be one of our weakest positions if neither Hanos or Nalbone can step up and produce similar numbers to Martin.  TE is a crucial position in our offense, considering how much we like to run two TE sets.  That means both TEs on the field need to be able to not only block, but be able to get open and catch the football. In 4 preseason games they combined for one catch for 3 yards by Nalbone.  Some of you may not have liked Martin, but the guy wasn't afraid of putting his body on the line to make the catch (which probably contributed to him being on IR now).

 

OL - Jake Long, Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, Donald Thomas, Vernon Carey, Andrew Gardner, Joe Berger, Shawn Murphy, Nate Garner

         This group has been hit or miss during the preseason.  At time they have looked dominant, and at other times have looked ineffective.  Most glaring would be when they played one of the better DT in the league John Henderson.  Grove was signed to be an upgrade over Satele due to his lack of strength to handle the bigger NT/DT in the league.  I'm not sure we got that.  We averaged a paltry 3.8 yards per carry during the preseason, but on the plus side, we only gave up 2 sacks while Pennington was in the game (I mention that because I believe most of Henne's sacks were due to him holding the ball too long).  This group must get better at run blocking, or this could be a long season as teams will take out a page from the Baltimore defensive playbook and go to town on us.  I am surprised we didn't carry a 9th OL on the roster considering the injuries we have sustained in the past regarding the OL.  All 5 of our starting OL dealt with injuries last year.  Can they stay healthy the whole year?  ***UPDATE*** Garner was signed from practice squad to replace TE Davon Drew.

 

DL - Kendall Langford, Jason Ferguson, Randy Starks, Phillip Merling, Paul Soliai, Tony McDaniel, Lionel Dotson

         Probably the most impressive group yet this preseason.  They've done an effective job containing the run, as well as getting some pressure on the QB.  Really the only concerns are, how well will Ferguson hold up during the year considering he turns 35 in Nov., and will Soliai be able to step up when he's not in the game?  So far Soliai has shown great improvement over last year.  As for any concerns about Merling, I think with Starks and McDaniel stepping up their games and becoming real contributers it makes it less of a concern.  If anything it may help bring out Merlings game as he realizes his job could be in jeopardy.

 

LB - Jason Taylor, Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele, Joey Porter, Cameron Wake, Charlie Anderson, Reggie Torbor, Quentin Moses (Matt Roth - PUP)

        Probably the one position we have the most talent and star power.  With the addition of JT one would expect our pass rush to be that much better.  It would appear JT has been rejuvenated since returning to the Dolphins, and any lingering health problems that hampered him in DC shouldn't be a problem this year.  With plenty of depth of pass rushers, we should be able to keep Porter fresh for the whole season so he doesn't wear down at the end of the season (facing less double teams should help as well).  I'm curious as to how they'll integrate Roth back in when/if he comes back after week 6.  It wouldn't surprise me if Taylor continues to play well, and the team is doing well.  To see Roth get put on IR and shut down for the season.  Biggest concern with the LB corp?  Will Crowder finally become a play maker?  He's shown he can talk big, now let's see him back it up on the field.

 

CB - Will Allen, Sean Smith, Vontae Davis, Jason Allen, Nathan Jones

         This group played fairly well, but considering who we played against, that's not exactly a compliment.  This secondary really didn't get challenged during the preseason as we played a NO team without Brees and Colston, a TB team without it's two leading WRs, and a Carolina team without Steve Smith.  Our best challenge was a 33 yr old Torry Holt, even though it was Troy Williamson who had 4 catches for 74 yards.  I won't even go into the TB game, where if it weren't for Byron Leftwich and his erratic throws, it could have gone a lot different.  I like what I've seen so far from Sean Smith, my only concern is his tendency to want to jump routes.  A smart QB is going to use that against him, and we're facing some of the smartest Manning, Brady, Rivers, Brees, and Roethlisberger.  Vontae Davis continues to get better, and I'm sure both him and Smith will benefit from plenty of playing time during the year.  I'm sure we'll see their fair share of rookie mistakes, considering we're facing three of the four top passing yardage leaders in the NFL since 2003, I can almost guarantee it.  The rookies are going to get picked on, early and often, until they prove it to be a bad idea.  As for Jones and Allen, while neither is known for their coverage skills, they both bring something to the table.  Jones has a knack for getting into the backfield and getting sacks on nickel blitzes, and Allen is a sound tackler and ST contributer.

 

S - Yeremiah Bell, Gibril Wilson, Chris Clemons, Tyrone Culver

      While there's not much to speak about the safety play during the preseason, that could be a good thing or a bad thing.  The positive, only six pass plays went more than 20 yards against the Dolphins in the preseason.  The longest being 43 yards, and it didn't result in a TD.  So it would seem they are doing a good job of preventing the big play.  One change I would like to see is Bell not leading our team in tackles again this year.  If Bell is getting that many tackles, the LBs and CBs are not doing their jobs.  Wilson should be able to thrive in our system the way he did with the Giants in 2007 (78 tackles, 4 INT), and not constantly put in the box like he was with the Raiders.  Both guys don't have any injury histories so I don't see Clemons and Culver getting much time unless it's on ST or in quarter/prevent packages.

 

K/P - Dan Carpenter, Brandon Fields

          DC$ continues to be a solid consistent kicker, but I get the feeling the FO wants someone with a stronger leg.  Which is why I believe they brought Barth in for a bit.  Carpenter only kicked one FG over 50 yards last year (51) and he made it.  But they had more opportunities than just that one time.  He's also in the bottom half of the league in kickoff touch back %.  Fields is a decent punter, but I've noticed he has a tendency to out punt the coverage.  Allowing the returners room to react to the punt coverage.  I realize his numbers may not show that (43.9 avg), but playing in a ball control, field position offense makes him punt on shorter fields when other teams would be kicking field goals.

 

So with all this in mind, I'm optimistic about our chances going into the 2009 season.  I know the schedule looks daunting, but we'll see what the real strength of schedule is at the end of the season.  I also believe with the personnel we have we can compete with any team in the league.  Feel free to tell me what you think, good or bad.

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Great write-up man

That was really impeccable. Not really much else to say but I agree with you 100%. Rec’d

by DaMiamiDolphinz on Sep 9, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome write-up L2D. Nothing to add or take away.

also rec’d

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 9, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Write-up

My biggest concern this year is actually the coaching staff. Do they have the balls to stick with the running game this year? Last year, I felt that they were too quick to go to the wildcat or the short passing game. I have no problem with a few 3-and-outs to start the game if it means we start to wear down the opponent. With the size of our O-line and with the types of RB’s we have – guys who get stronger as the game goes on, we need to keep pounding the rock.

We kept 5 RB’s and 4 TE’s (at least initally) and only 5 WR’s because we want to run the ball and keep our defense off the filed. The less I see of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers and Ryan the better.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Make no mistake...

This is a run first and often team. After starting 0-2, the coaches just felt they needed a spark to get the team on track and boost morale last season. Hopefully with the addition of Grove and a healthy Thomas we will be able to get more push in the middle of the line.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

.... dude, that's like getting a General's coin in the Military...!!

WOW

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by Alpha6 on Sep 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

excellent write up my man

i like your comment about seeing the real strength of schedule by the end of the year. Maybe more appropriately, the real strength of this team.

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.

13 1/2 phinsider fued points!!!

by MrMedic on Sep 10, 2009 6:42 AM EDT reply actions  

prolly both Medic

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 10, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just little things, not worth mentioning,

but the one thing I disagree most with is the not expecting too much from the RBs, because they have produced at a high level, given the circumstances they’ve been in.

by uncle finster on Sep 10, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not that I don't think they could produce big numbers....

I simply stated, that until they do, we shouldn’t expect it. That was the point of my post. My evaluations were based on what they’ve done, not what we expect they are capable of doing.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong.... that's the Army grunt... which is actually Whooaah!... for Marines it's Arroooo!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

the Army grunt is Hooah.
The Marine corp is Ooorah.
The Air Force is Hi my name is (insert first name).

by luvs2drnk on Sep 10, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told by a Navy SEAL CAPT... Air Force says Okie-Dokie....

What the hell was I suppose to say..?!

… and yeah, damit, I always put a “W” when I spell hooah…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 10, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was in the USMC for 6 yrs.

i’m pretty sure i got it right.

;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

no.

now you know what one of my problems is.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

someone who cnt get a real job

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

dont worry, it's not lasting long

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

... a man does what he's gotta do...

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by Alpha6 on Sep 11, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks alpha

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

i supose, just be very careful!

some very crazy’s out there, only thinking of your welfair!!!!

by wild zion beaver on Sep 11, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks beave

but i get to carry a gun!

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

how about coast guard?

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who?

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by Alpha6 on Sep 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 11, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!

sorry, i completely ignored the Air Force (i generally ignore the Air Force) line, until I saw finster laughing is ass off.

that’s funny.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol!

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.

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by MrMedic on Sep 16, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is exactly why,

at the beginning of the running back portion I said that we can’t expect much from them. 1500 is based on a good offensive line blocking for him, and I have yet to see that from our guys.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 14, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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