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Dolphins knock off Saints to complete unbeaten preseason

Dolphins cornerback Sean Smith, left, makes a one-handed interception in front of Saints wide receiver Courtney Roby (15)  in the first half of Thursday night's game.

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Dolphins cornerback Sean Smith, left, makes a one-handed interception in front of Saints wide receiver Courtney Roby (15) in the first half of Thursday night's game.

We all know that it's only the preseason.  And we saw the Saints decide to sit most of their starters for Thursday night's game.  But Tony Sparano believes in winning every game that you play.  With the Dolphins 10-7 win over the Saints in New Orleans on Thursday night, his team accomplished that very feat - finishing the 2009 preseason with a 4-0 record.

As always, though, there were good things and not so good things to take out of this game.  Below I will touch on some of these things.  Be sure to give us your thoughts as well.

SEAN SMITH IS A MONSTER
He may only be a rookie and will surely have his "rookie moments" at times this season when he makes a mistake leading to a big play for the opposition.  But we saw just how special Sean Smith can be in this league tonight when he made that truly remarkable one-handed interception in the endzone - his second interception in three games.  What I saw on this one play - which you can see right here - was a rookie in perfect position to make a play and a cornerback who clearly has spent time playing receiver.  As you all know, Smith actually began his college career at Utah as a receiver.  Yeah - it showed tonight.

But just because he's a rookie - and 2nd round pick, in fact - doesn't mean that we should not have high expectations for Smith in his first year.  He's possesses a rare combination of size, speed, and hands that makes him this secondary's biggest playmaker already.  Like I said, he has two interceptions in just three games this preseason - and both came on throws into the endzone.  The Dolphins haven't had a playmaker like this in the secondary in a long time - and he's only going to get better as he gets more experience.  Yes - permission to get overly excited about how very good Smith might become has officially been granted to all of us.

FIRST-TEAM DEFENSE HAS UPS AND DOWNS
Miami's starting defense played together for just about a quarter and a half tonight.  And while they didn't surrender any points to a mixture of Saints' backups, they weren't great, either.  I was satisfied with their performance against the run.  The starters held New Orleans running backs to just 19 yards rushing on 7 carries.  And five of their seven carries went for two yards or less.

But the secondary still has to tighten up.  No team's reserves should put up 89 yards passing against a first-team defense in a little over a quarter.  Of course, 43 of those 89 yards came on a well-timed screen pass that was called against a blitz from the Dolphins.  But even still, Mark Brunell and Joey Harrington have no right combining to go 5/8 passing for 89 yards against Miami's starting defense.

With that said, however, you do need to look at just who was making those receptions.  Here's a key stat for you.  The starting defense, when playing as a whole, did not allow a completion to a wide receiver.  Of the five passes completed against them, three were to New Orleans' tight ends and two were to Lynell Hamilton - the team's running back.  So don't go blaming the corners.  It's the safeties and linebackers who will have the finger pointed at them.  You can't let backup tight ends like Billy Miller and Buck Ortega catch 3 passes for 33 yards against your starters.  That's not acceptable.

But I'll chalk this up to either the safeties, Yeremiah Bell and Gibril Wilson, still getting comfortable with each other or the coaching staff not wanting to show too much in terms of defensive schemes because these two teams meet in the regular season.  At least, that's what I'm hoping.

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HENNE LOOKS MUCH BETTER
After a very poor outing last week, many eyes were on Chad Henne's performance tonight.  How would the young quarterback bounce back?  Clearly, he has both a lot of confidence in himself and a short memory because he had a solid night on Thursday.

His final line of 11/16 for 89 yards isn't overly impressive.  But in the first half, getting to play with many of the starters, Henne connected on 8 of 10 for 68 yards and led a touchdown drive.  More importantly, he looked more decisive with the football, more confident in his reads, and more accurate with his throws.  No, it wasn't against New Orleans' starters.  But that doesn't diminish the fact that he just looked more comfortable and was on the money with his throws.  Oh, and I love how Henne chewed out Brandon London after London failed to make the proper read on a quick throw from Henne.  He saw the blitz and, clearly, London was the "hot" receiver.  But Brandon didn't make the necessary adjustments and the quick pass fell incomplete.  As they walked to the sidelines, you saw Henne act like the leader a QB should be by letting Brandon know what he did wrong.

A solid bounce-back effort for the young gun.

HARTLINE NO LOCK ANYMORE TO START
This time last week, many fans were ready to lock in rookie Brian Hartline as the opening day starting receiver opposite of Ted Ginn.  But Greg Camarillo and Davone Bess stated their cases on Thursday night.  Camarillo made a brilliant catch on a perfect pass from Chad Pennington early in this game that went for 17 yards along the right sideline.  Not to be out-done, Bess made a beautiful diving grab along the left sideline on a 3rd and 4 play that went for seven yards and a 1st down.  Again, a perfect pass from Pennington.  For Bess, though, that was one of 5 catches on the night - as he showcased just what the term "QB friendly" means.  He doesn't go deep, but he finds openings, runs good routes, and makes plays when he's asked to.  Ideally, though, I will continue to believe that Bess is an ideal slot receiver more so than an "X" or "Z" receiver.

Hartline, on the other hand, was shut out on the night.  He only saw one pass thrown his way and he dropped it.  Did he also "drop" his shot at starting in Atlanta next Sunday?  It's just a guess, but I'd say he certainly did.

QUICK HITS
Here are many of my "quick" thoughts on tonight's game:

  • Charlie Anderson locked up his roster spot tonight.  Entering the night, I wouldn't have been shocked to see Charlie given a pink slip this weekend.  But he was flying off the edge all night, picking up two sacks.  Now if he can just refrain from holding on returns.
  • The Dolphins did a great job all night of getting pressure on the Saints, resulting in eight sacks for Miami.  Tony McDaniel showed off his pass-rushing skills from the defensive end spot, picking up two on the night.  William Kershaw continued to quietly have a solid preseason, sacking the QB once and pressuring him at least one other time.  I just don't know if there is room for four inside linebackers.  And the other three - Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele, and Reggie Torbor - are all locks.  Tough decision to be made here.
  • Glad to see Rod Wright pick up a sack.  That'll be his parting gift - as he's likely on his way out come Saturday when the cuts are announced.
  • Erik Walden looked good, too - both in the base defense and on special teams.  But can the Dolphins keep Cameron Wake, Quentin Moses, Charlie Anderson, and Erik Walden?  Maybe - but that's a lot of outside linebackers.
  • I hate artificial turf.  I don't care if it's astroturf or "field turf."  Vontae Davis is lucky to escape with what is likely a minor injury.  He downplayed the injury after the game - which is good news.  But damn, let's just find a way to get natural grass on every field.  Sound good?
  • Paul Soliai looks like a different player out there.  He seems much quicker and more agile but is still getting a good push up the middle despite dropping weight.  That's a good sign.
  • My boy, John Nalbone, dropped a pass he should have hauled in.  But Joey Haynos didn't do anything to separate himself.  So I'm remaining squarely on the "John Nalbone bandwagon" - straight from West Long Branch, NJ all the way to South Florida, baby!
  • Punt coverage remains a big problem.  The Dolphins were doing a decent job for most of the game.  But it only takes one big play to change the outcome of a game.  I'm sick and tired of seeing poor coverage on kicks and punts.
  • I'm glad the preseason is over and the Dolphins avoided any serious injuries.  Now let's get to some REAL football!!!!

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Great write up,

agree with everything, except, and this is out there I guess, I’m not sure Hartline makes the roster, IDK, I just haven’t seen anything that would make me want to keep him, I know I’m alone on this, just keeps bugging me.

Our front seven is going to be a force IMO, I really think we have great depth in the front.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hartline hasn't done enough to make the squad?

What team are you watching? Ya he was shut out tonight, but he wasn’t in the game much anyway as the Fins had Camerillo, Bess, and Ginn out there the entire 1st quarter and most of the second. But the 3 games before he’s been very impressive. He had come off an 80-yards recieving performance! Where did you here this from? Hartline is a lock and possibly even a starter. London is the one on his way out.

by JP 23 on Sep 4, 2009 1:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

London is a nobody

who most of this blog fell in love with for some strange reason. He didn’t make his case in OTAs, he didn`t make his case in spring training or in any of the 4 preseason games. This guy has no upside whatsoever. He’s been in the league long enough to proof himself. Hartline is just a rookie who was expected to contribute to special teams and little else, now he is finding his way into the starting line up even though getting most of his snaps in OTA and training camp with the 2nd and 3rd team offense. Sparano is in love with him literally, he can`t say enough how he is a “bright kid”. Tough, physical smart and efficient. Classic Parcells and Sparano guy. This guy has a bright future in south florida. As for London? We already have what seems a mediocre possession receiver in Turner, so there is no room for him on this team.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 4, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are right, he is trash.

Sparano might as well start attending all these meetings, practices, scrimmages, position meetings and workouts you have clearly been going to. Don’t want to leave our team’s fate in some whackos hands. I hope Sparano doesn’t “drop” the ball on this one.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 4, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he was trash, lol,

I just stated a fact, he has 4 drops, 5 catches, it’s a fact.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a fact.

Hartline has more catches this preseason than London has in two full years in the NFL. Now there’s a fact that means something.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

London only has one year in the NFL,

He was a practice squad player in 07, his rookie year.

But he also has more drops than London has in his career, and he did it all in one preseason.

One NFL catch is worth a thousand preseason catches.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who cares if he was a practice squad player?

That just proves my point. Obviously he didn’t have the talent to make the 53 man roster of the Giants in 2007. Which is pretty sad, considering his competition had a combined 16 catches that season. As far as drops are concerned, it’s hards to drop the ball when nobody throws to you. And by my count, Hartline has had more passes thrown to him than Brandon London has had in his 2 year career (not hard considering London only has 6 career passes thrown his way). As for your last statement, seems pretty irrelevant considering Hartline is a rookie and never had a chance to catch a pass in a regular season game. While London has has 2 years to do it, and has only come up with 3.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1 year

and Camarillo was a practice squad player too.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just cause you were on the practice squad,

Doesn’t mean you weren’t in the NFL. He entered the NFL with the Giants in 2007. That means he’s had 2 years to show coaches his talent. True, Camarillo was a practice squad player, but there’s one diffference. Camarillo has talent, and proved it by producing on the field as a WR. All London has proven is he can play ST, but he’s no Steve Tasker, so his shelf life is about to expire.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sam not happy

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

happier now

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Sam...

I’m on the Hartline Band wagon. I’ll order a jersey as soon as they are available…. I think he’s going to be great. Easily already “insertable” into the offense, runs great routes, finds space, and makes plays.

I think he’ll be our number 2 until Camarillo is running at 100% speed.

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thnx fr8train

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im with ya too.. Hatrline is showing he will be much better then London

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one of his drops last week was un catchable as well.

But you will never tell UF this, he is seeing his “own game” cus he has a man crush on London and hates Hartline.

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats with all the hating

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 4, 2009 3:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

im starting a tony Mcdaniel fan club lol

Whoever wants to join just put it in there sig

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 4, 2009 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hartline Out

I hope he is gone. If it means London stays. Camarillo should start.

I guess I should have thought twice before creating my profile's name.

by Beck4Mercy on Sep 4, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

booooo

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, what has he done,

he doesn’t get open, he’s a bad blocker and he drops as many as he catches, ???

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slap!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 4, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing!!

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by Chupathingy on Sep 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

new guy gets slapped lol

Everyone chill hartline is staying whether we want him to or not

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 4, 2009 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't saying he didn't Finster.

I just thought your comment was hilarious.

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by Chupathingy on Sep 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you that Camerillo should start.

But Hartline get cut???? He’s apart of our future.

by JP 23 on Sep 4, 2009 1:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

so is his fiance

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying this for more than one game, lol,

it seems to me his bandwagon got huge after one game, against a ST guy coming off back to back season ending injuries, Torrie Cox hasn’t played since game 8 in 07 and he was a 4th or 5th DB and mainly a STer then, who knows if he even makes a roster this year, take away what Hartline did against him and you have 3 catches for 33 yds and 4 drops, this is fact.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like london and i think hartline will be pretty good to one day

Id still rather have Bess and camarillo start before him

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 4, 2009 3:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Phins

Hartline is not going anywhere I don’t see it. So much is always bragged about London in special teams but the fact of the matter is that we been getting killed all preseason on returns, our SP units needs to pick it up and that is a key to this season “special teams” it looks weak right now. On a side note about the LB’s I think Walden and Anderson are out but is jut my opinion, no way Wake or Moses (who’s been more impressive) get cut.

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by Finnatic on Sep 4, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ya'll is krazy

while im not flip-flopping because i have always stayed OFF the hartline bandwagon by stating he should prove himself 1st before he gets inserted as the #2 wr, coach sparano agrees with my advice and will have the 1-2-3 wr’s the same as last year with hartline #4.

everyone loves this kid for some reason already. yes he had a few catches against tampa, but i believe #1 or 2 WRs, or any WRs in the NFL should be able to catch the ball AT LEAST SOME OF THE TIME its thrown to them. get off the hartline express until he is consistant, i know his girl is a hottie but talk about STARTING impact players that are going to make a difference this season like CP, R&R, or even DC$ for gods sake. until a injury happens to ginn,cam, or bess, hartlines time will be limited.

by FishNFinz on Sep 4, 2009 4:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good write up Matty,

I’m interested to see who is the #2 WR.

I hope we can keep Kershaw cause he is really contributing to the team.

I’d like McDaniel to start his DE spot, he’s huge!!!

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by Kdog92 on Sep 4, 2009 5:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great write-up Matty, as always.

I did not get to watch this game as I am in NC this weekend, and they showed Panthers getting drop kicked all over the field by Steelers

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 4, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1 Impressive game

and 3 lackluster performances have me a little concerned. But what the heck its only Preseason and the real test starts next week with Atlanta. Should be a good test for our defence against a team with a good RB and a pretty passing offence. Pressure, Pressure, Pressure, lets start Matt Ryan’s sophmore jinx year in style.

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by Phintastic on Sep 4, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

amen

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That pick was a thing of beauty

Not only did he catch the ball one handed, he had the presence of mind to stay in bounds.

At what point does he see some time at WR?

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 4, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and he stayed cool during the whole process.

made it look like it was piece of cake.

by Rennie85 on Sep 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could he be the
  1. WR we’ve been wanting? Interesting….

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by Phintastic on Sep 4, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cuts

Does anyone know when the Dolphins are likely to announce the cuts? Could it be as early as today?

by Jevant on Sep 4, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be,

but it wont be anyone they want to put on the PS, they’ll wait to the last moment for those guys.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 Sacks

Nice, but if teams figure we are blitz happy, watch out for the screens that we got burnt on twice last night.

Does Sparano/Ireland fire the ST coach? Something has to be done. This problem is a hold over from last year.

Great write up Matty.

by Dolphriend on Sep 4, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Amen...our ST coverage is attrocious can will cost us games

Our opponents can’t start every drive with a huge return and short field

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its crazy that our coverage is so bad

We have 3 safeties that can run and hit with Clemons being the 4th who can just flat out run guys down. Idk maybe our ST coach is trying to figure out different combinations. I say keep Walden and Kershaw. We are gonna need them for ST

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by Souwantmyname on Sep 4, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it is.. but no worries B London is there and is an OUTSTANDING ST player !

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Punt coverage is driving me nuts

They gotta do something about it.

by Rennie85 on Sep 4, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If they dont

it could cost us a couple of games this year

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by Phintastic on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

woooohoooo

I didn’t get to see any of the game, but it sounded like one I should’ve caught. Since work won’t load streaming video I’ll have to wait until i get home to see that INT, but I think, with his play, Sean Smith may have eclipsed Cobbs as the player whose jersey I’m getting.

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by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my new Jersey

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by phinny phin phin on Sep 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

go north east phin fans!

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miami > NJ

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
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by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha nowaiii

Miami has the Dolphins, the greatest football team.

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by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tru, but NY whoopes ass

except 4 jets

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My dogs droppings > NJ....

its jerrrrsey. C’mon.
People won’t even immigrate to Jersey.

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... they have Wrights Town... heh heh heh

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmmmm

You like those do ya, instead of raisins.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL...... puke..... LOL!!!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HARTLINE CUT??

your screwing with me right?? the guy is a rookie and has potential that far exceeds that of a brandon london. i like london and all but lets face it hes a good special teamer and a good preseason reciever, you do not cut someone like brian hartline for him. there is a brandon london type player on every single nfl team right now that will be cut and on someother team or practice sqaud at some point. he is not a star,he is not a starter,he was not an early draft pick,if we keep him great,if not their will be another guy next year we can all go crazy over…

by DRINKtheGINN on Sep 4, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid you are correct

we have too many LBs that seem to have some talent. I’m afraid London is gone unless we trade off some LBs.

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by Phintastic on Sep 4, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Camarillo and Bess were undrafted,

and Camarillo spent a year on a PS just like London, that argument isn’t great, but I haven’t seen this potential in Hartline, he has a long way to go before he is even close to Camarillo, where is this potential, because what I’ve seen this preseason is a guy who is not fast, not quick and not strong, and London is bigger, faster and stronger, IDK I see more upside in London.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry guys gotta agree with the uncle

We gotta find a way to keep london on the team lex is gone

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

London is stud on STs

And thats whats gonna be the deciding factor in keeping him. We need a gunner on kickoff runs and he’s the man.
Lex, on the other hand, I see being snuck onto the PS late but if he does, he’ll be picked up. I’m a Lex fan but I’m bracing myself to eventually see him in a Jests or Pats uni. That would sting…

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by PhearThePhinzz on Sep 4, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stud>our ST

Please don’t use the word stud with anyone on our ST.

by Dolphriend on Sep 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If London is such a studd on ST

Why does our ST suck so bad?

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe London IS A STUDD on st because our ST SUCKS SO BAD so it makes him look better?

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like london too

but i think hartline in the long run will be better. who knows though we will have our answer from the coaching staff on how good he really is soon. they see a world of other things in practice and film rooms that we don’t so ill trust whatever decision that comes foward.

by DRINKtheGINN on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree here... Hartline IS quick...

… not fast, but very quick… and strength will come along…

I’m not saying London aint good to very good or dismiss his potential… I’m just not ready to dismiss Hartline and his sjills and potential either…

There-in lies the difficulty of a decision I am glad I don’t have to make…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*skills

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

i think we were watching different games this preseason.

while i’m not jumping on this ridiculous Harltine bandwagon (how can people think he’s going to be great?), Hartline is quick and is strong. One of the positives out of Hartline will be his blocking ability on running plays.

by Matty I on Sep 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

although i also agree he is not gonna be starting now

prolly Bess, because that seems to be what CP10 wants

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... and why do use such a strong word in "ridiculous" bandwagon..?

Hasn’t he shown skills or are we just to dismiss the things he’s done..?

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not understanding this Hartline animosoty

Hartline is better than London people. Its so obvious to me. I know that everyone hear wants a true #1 receiver that is 6’4 strong, athletic and catches everything but wishing it on London won’t make it happen. He is not that kind of player and he wont develop into it either. Our best hope for a stud #1 receiver is in Patrick Turner. Even then I’m not getting my hopes up.. who knows maybe next year we can get Arrelious Benn, Damian Williams or Dez Bryant

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he has a very select few to compete against for that honor...

Davone Bess – 54 rec, 554 yds, 1 TD
Chris Chambers – 48 rec, 883 yds, 7 TD
Paul Warfield – 52 rec, 920 yds, 9TD

Those are the three best rookie WR seasons in Dolphins franchise history.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will bet cash he has a much better showing then London did last year

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 catches for 30 yards.

Yeah, that’s a real stretch to beat.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

y u bring u down?

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I could be all wrong on this,

but it’s just what I think I saw, granted it’s harder to follow WRs during the game because they run out of the screen, but I just didn’t see it, when I saw him.

Also the 4 drops really bothers me, I think with his skill set he has to make those catches, he, like Bess and Camarillo, is not going to get wide open much and because of that he is going to have to make tough catches, like Bess and Cam did last night.

The positive I see in the guy is pluck, he has a lot of pluck, he is a willing blocker(but does get owned too much), he really goes for it, but if he is an overachiever, where is his ceiling, again maybe I’m all wrong, it is just my opinion.

by uncle finster on Sep 4, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you about Hartline, partly.

I’m not completely sold on the guy yet either, but I think he has more potential than London. Not to mention, I think Turner could turn out to be a good pro once he develops and gets a year under his belt.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back again with the 4 drops..

Why is it when LONDON miss reads a play and misses a pass from Henne its Henne’s fault and not counted as a “drop” in your eyes? However then Hartline missed 2 (drops as you call them) that were not catchable at all you count them against Hartline? Kid dropped 2 passes its that simple as the other 2 were not catchable by any means.

At least state the facts correctly.

So pretty much:

London has 3 catches for 28 total yards and 1 drop on a mis read of defence by him on a blitz
Hartline has 5 catches for 107 total yards with 2 drops on passes that were catchable.

B. London 3 28 9.3 16 0
B. Hartline 5 107 21.4 54 0

Sorry.. I take the odds that Hartline is a better receiver especially considering that he is a ROOKIE and does not have over 2 years exp in the NFL.

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I get an Amen?

Marino…..he come down from the mountain and he said…

Glory be…..for Hartline… he is our receiver.
and Hartline, he will make the play.
And Hartline, he will lead us to the promised Endzone.

I say unto thee…

Glory be to Sporano in the highest.

and stuff…

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...wait................ then who's the golden cow..???

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR Depth Chart...

With the way Ginn has been invisible, maybe he drops down the depth chart slowly.
Why are we all giving him a pass?

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ginn is going to continue to be invisible,

Until we start calling some plays that use his speed effectively.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 route 9 route 9route

there are three plays that he can use hi speed effectively on

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same 3 plays he ran in college....

Everyone knows that… Ginn needs to work on getting in and out of his breaks.
There are a ton of FAST guys in the NFL…. Their ability to run a good route is what makes a great receiver.

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WR screen and end around. What's the third?

Don’t say fly pattern, because you have to be able to throw the ball 50+ yards with some zip for that one.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a fly pattern, I said you can't use that one.

Pennington doesn’t have the arm strength to throw a 50 yard strike. We all saw that on the Cobbs flea flicker pass, and that was only 40 yards!

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his pass to Hartline went 45+ yards in the air with perfect accuracy

even Sparano made it a point that next day to take a shot at the media by saying he bet there were a lot of “ooohs and aaahs” at that throw.

by Matty I on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll be eating your words when he gets us to the AFC championship game

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said the guy couldn't lead us there.

 I have full confidence Pennington can get us to the Super Bowl. I just think he has a weak arm, but that’s more to do with his past injuries than his own strength. But if he’s gonna get us there, our run game needs to step up tremendously.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could care less how far he throws the ball

as long as it is in a receivers hands in the endzone.

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know it's a fly pattern

i said it three times as the only route he can run.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, he can be effective on end arounds and WR screens.

It’s our lack of a deep pass that keeps him from effectively running the 9 route.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginn wont be a factor until we get a QB that can get him the deep ball

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginn is going to continue to be invisible,

Until we start calling some plays that use his speed effectively.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Idk, but I'm thinking Ginn is a piece of crap...

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lolol

that’s what i’ve been saying since we drafted him!!

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he doe not show some ability to beat DBs with his lateral quickness and good routes

THIS YEAR, i will agree with you.

But I am definitely willing to give him this season to work it out.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ginns having a breakout year

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

London only makes the team if we go with 6 WR

And I don’t see that happening. I think they’re leaning towards and extra LB or DB. London has had two years in the league and produced a grand total of 3 catches. I’m sorry, but if he had all this talent and potential that everyone seems to think he has, at least one coach would have seen it and played him more than he has in 2 years.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's certainly how I see it

And all this talk about keeping London instead of Hartline is borderline ridiculous. Hartline would be grabbed in a second by 31 other teams. No way should they even consider cutting him.

by Jevant on Sep 4, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree. Hartline is already running with the 1st teams.

London has been on the team/PS for how many years and still running on the 2nd team… that probably says something.

I’m just saying.

by Fr8Train on Sep 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AND where the hell is Jake Grove..?!!

… is that giggling I’m beginning to hear from the bay area..?

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"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ACTUALLY, alpha

not hearing about an O-lineman is not necessarily a bad thing. You DEFINITELY, hear about them when they allow sacks. The only lineman i am hearing about right now is Long, and for the wrong reasons.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but... I didn't see the running game having opportunity up the middle...

Is he having trouble keeping the NT off our running backs..? Just seemed that way to me…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i haven't seen this game yet, but i watched him in detail against Henderson in the jags game

he didn’t move henderson much by himself, but he held his own pretty good. And Henderson is a good representation of the type of NTs he will be facing in our division,

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is

Sean Smith = B.A.M.F. His jersey is definitely on the way to my closet very soon

by Miamiboi84 on Sep 4, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed... dija see the celebration from team mates after THAT interception..?!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell ya

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya I saw the celebration lol

thats one video I could watch over and over I cant wait for him to embarress moss like that

by Miamiboi84 on Sep 4, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omg, yes!!!!

… that will be another EPIC moment…!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Smith, WR

He played some in college, didnt he? Damn if he dont have good hands.

Wide right again! Another graduate of the Norwood school for problematic kickers.....

by PhearThePhinzz on Sep 4, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

He actually started at Utah as a WR then went to play CB I believe

by Miamiboi84 on Sep 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

he was converted during his freshman year

by Matty I on Sep 4, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Smith............

New red zone threat on offense………split him out wide with the other 3 wr on the other side, single him up one on one with a corner and let him go get it…………thats it, call the play SEAN GO GET IT!!!!!! UNSTOPPABLLE……….that’s two int in two games that he went for the ball as if it was his, caught it, and kept both feet in bounds……..

Come on Tony pull the trigger, last yr you broke out the wildcat this yr break out Smith.

I think I’m really gonna like this kid……….

by jvw on Sep 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol you like kids

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

greatest.gif.ever.

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a link that shows the IT much better.. even slows it down. He stayed in.

S Smiths awesome INT

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

....... of course he stayed in................! (looking at everyone in the room like they're crazy)

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.... you know what they say...........

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by Alpha6 on Sep 4, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant grab

by Smith – what a highlight for the young man. He’ll make some mistakes this year out of inexperience, but I also think he’ll make some big plays. Something our secondary just didn’t produce much of last year.

Henne looked fine.

Nobody got injured.

Game on :)

by Natalya on Sep 4, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hi! Welcome to thePhinsider!

It’s always nice to see new faces!
=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm definitely evil....

but my gosh, I bear absolutely no relation, real or imagined, to Left.

Besides, I’ve actually been here since well before 2008 on the original website. My reputation rather precedes me.

by Natalya on Sep 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those are the dates our accounts got converted over to the new system.

she has been on here much longer, but in answer to your question, no, i am not sure.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

welcome

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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