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Success For Chad Henne



So many things are made of what success is for a rookie errr 2 year QB.  What is success to you?  Is it Wins? Completion %? Low TO Ratio? 

This may come in all different forms but if he is going to be our QB of the future I think we are going to have to live by Bill Parcells saying "If he doesn't bit as a puppy he isn't going to bit"  which really means that if he doesn't show us anything in the next 13 games we will know in some shape or form.

To get a better understanding of what is expected out of Chad Henne I'm going to breakdown some of the elite QB's rookie seasons and kind of put an average of them and use that as the baseline or target for him to reach this season.  IMO if he is just a bit under that is fine as you will see the QB group I am using are that of an elite group.

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Phillip Rivers                         GS 16    Comp 61.7    TD 22  INT 9     Yrds 3,388     FL 2

Peyton Manning                   GS 16    Comp 56.7    TD 26  INT 28   Yrds 3,739     FL 1

Tom Brady                             GS 14    Comp 63.9    TD 18  INT 12   Yrds 2,843     FL 3

Big Ben                                   GS 13    Comp 66.4    TD 17  INT 11   Yrds 2,621     FL 2

Drew Brees                           GS 16    Comp 60.8    TD 17  INT 16   Yrds 3,284     FL 0

Jay Cutler                               GS 16    Comp 63.6    TD 20  INT 14   Yrds 3,497     FL 4

Matt Hassleback                 GS 12    Comp 54.8    TD   7  INT 8      Yrds 2,023    FL 2

Carson Palmer                      GS 13    Comp 60.9    TD 18 INT 18    Yrds 2,897    FL 2

Eli Manning                            GS  7     Comp 48.2    TD  6 INT  9       Yrds 1,043   FL 1

Matt Ryan                              GS 16     Comp 61.1   TD 16 INT 11     Yrds 3,440    FL 1

 

AVERAGE                            GS 13.9  Comp 60.3      TD 17 INT 14    Yrds 2,617  FL 2

So this is what we should see if Chad Henne is on the right track to becoming a "elite" QB in the NFL.  IMO this doesn't seem to be to much to ask for.  The one thing that we are going to have to understand as a fanbase is that he will throw INT's and make mistakes but if the ball is going in the endzone and at the end of the day we win around 6-8 of our remaining games I will personally be impressed.   Patience is going to be needed by all of us and hopefully by next season we won't be begging to have Chad Pennington back ...although I wish he was still our QB at this very moment :(

Poll
What are you expecting to see from Chad Henne this year?
The Average
21 votes
Above Average
13 votes
Below Average
8 votes
Benched after 6 games
1 votes
The QB of a Playoff Team lol had to put this in
6 votes

49 votes | Poll has closed

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what is the FL?

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.

13 1/2 phinsider fued points!!!

by MrMedic on Sep 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

i was wondering the same thing..

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

fumbles lost?

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

idk

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by samdaman on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many variables to go by numbers alone...

I mean a stat line of 7 starts, 48% completion rate and 6 td’s with 9 INT’s would probably have most Miami fans calling for us to draft a QB next year, quite high.

Yet those, the 48% 6TD/9 INT ones, were Eli Manning’s numbers. For that matter, John Elway had a horrific first season too. One of the major differences, as I see it, is that the dolphins don’t have $20+ million invested in Henne and a loss of draft picks as the Giants did in trading up to get/sign Manning Jr.

I think it is all a matter of various areas of progress. You look at QB play and have to be able to weigh the QB’s decisions and plays and skills vs. the influence of good (or bad) blocking for him, the quality of his receivers – do they make clutch catches, can he depend on them, do they get separation, how does the running game progress, etc. Not to mention you want to evaluate the QB individually on his footwork, pocket presence, holding the ball, quick/slow release, progression of reads, game management, etc.

So I think it is all a matter of progression in a variety of areas, not just numbers.

by Natalya on Sep 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

its not just numbers but

I did look into most of the factors and that is why I took the average of 10 QB’s in this past 10 years roughly. While there are many different things involved in this: for instance Matt Ryan had Turner and Rivers had Tomlinson. I think it is never numbers that should decide but it should help in many ways if he is successful or not

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Post

I got ripped by people for suggesting that we should expect 60% completions, more TD’s than INT’s and a 7-8 yd / attempt average.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/9/28/1059202/what-is-success-for-chad-henne

I was told that these are “lofty expectations” or “ridiculous”. While I agree that stats aren’t everything, I do believe that there is a minimum expectation and your average is right where we should be expecting Henne’s numbers to be if he is the next franchise QB for the Phins.

Rec’d

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

marcus_13 helped himself by providing

the stats to back up his argument. I think I was one that though maybe you were expecting a bit much. Given what the stats say maybe you are correct there sir. I would not say that if he come in a little under those number he is a total loss though. I want to see continued improvement from now untill the end of the season and from there I will trust the trifecta.

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!!!

I did see your post and I even thought you were shooting high until I decided to put in a little work. If this is going to be our FRAN QB and and ELITE QB than looking at these QB’s this is what we should see. I guess the point I really wanted to get across was that if he turns the ball over 16 times that he isn’t really all that bad but AVERAGE. I look forward to Sunday and to the future of the Phins

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thought to ponder.

If Henne does great, all of the CP10 haters will dismiss the thought that CP had anything to do with mentoring / guiding / leading / teaching Henne anything.

I think if Henne does well, it will be in no small part due to CP10.

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

That was tongue in cheek.

I think the Pennington as mentor angle has been way overplayed. IMO, Henne will succeed because he has the talent to succeed, not because Pennington was able to instill some secret knowledge on how to be an NFL QB. There have been any number of young QB’s be successful in the league without a “mentor”. Who was Flacco’s mentor last year, Kyle Boller? Troy Smith?

Did Pennington show Henne how to study film? Probably. DId Pennington work with Henne in opponent preparation? Maybe. But all the film study and opponent preparation does nothing if you don’t have the talent to make plays.

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill take what we can get wherever we can get it.

Ultimately your right and the only one thats going to determine how successful Henne is will be Henne!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But he did such a great job with Kellen Clemons lol

I’m sure he helped but I think you are very right in terms of being overplayed

by markus_13 on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, yes, I do want Henne to do well. Not because I love him, but because I want the Phins to win

and I want this f**king QB controversy to stop. I want to see us use draft picks to fill other needs like Jake Long was.

As a side note, to my right is the headline that Nike just signed Vick to an endorsement deal – guess Nike does not want my business!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

I will wait to see what the trifecta does and then support whoever is in there.

As far as Nike I have been boycotting those bastards for almost 20 years. This does not affect me because they never get any of my money any way. The only way to change the actions of a souless company is to hit them in the pocket book. Money is the one language that everyone understands.

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB Controversy? wrong site my friend

if you don’t want QB controversy you are on the wrong site. I have already read many posts stating that pat white should be the starter and better yet Thigpen. I find this stuff pretty funny to read especially since Henne hasn’t even started one game yet people want to throw him under the bus. Pennington was a good QB who shouldn’t have even been questioned as a starter IMO yet people still want to attack some people because of his “noodle arm” which I happend to love, now hopefully I can fall for Henne and his laser, rocket, cannon of an arm

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what you were saying but ...

I look at it this way, Chad Pennington took a 1-15 team and took us to the playoffs and was in the MVP voting yet people on this site would make complaints and thought he should be bench based on arm strength ect..

so with that being said I’m not sure people will give Henne all that much more lead way even if he plays well because they will call for Pat White or Thigpen with the spread offense and want more

by markus_13 on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

i agree with u 99%

nike still makes nice shoes

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by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

go to flightclubNY.com and click nike skateboarding

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

so...

you don’t buy ANYTHING ever do you?

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 1, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me if you boycott those companys with which you find issue

there are plenty of others out there that will gladly take your money.

by texascowpunk on Oct 1, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

all my money goes to beer, because beer never hurts anybody lol

by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 1, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

amen!

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Oct 2, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

apparently not

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol ok tex

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"

by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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