Success For Chad Henne

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT

So many things are made of what success is for a rookie errr 2 year QB. What is success to you? Is it Wins? Completion %? Low TO Ratio?

This may come in all different forms but if he is going to be our QB of the future I think we are going to have to live by Bill Parcells saying "If he doesn't bit as a puppy he isn't going to bit" which really means that if he doesn't show us anything in the next 13 games we will know in some shape or form.

To get a better understanding of what is expected out of Chad Henne I'm going to breakdown some of the elite QB's rookie seasons and kind of put an average of them and use that as the baseline or target for him to reach this season. IMO if he is just a bit under that is fine as you will see the QB group I am using are that of an elite group.

Phillip Rivers GS 16 Comp 61.7 TD 22 INT 9 Yrds 3,388 FL 2

Peyton Manning GS 16 Comp 56.7 TD 26 INT 28 Yrds 3,739 FL 1

Tom Brady GS 14 Comp 63.9 TD 18 INT 12 Yrds 2,843 FL 3

Big Ben GS 13 Comp 66.4 TD 17 INT 11 Yrds 2,621 FL 2

Drew Brees GS 16 Comp 60.8 TD 17 INT 16 Yrds 3,284 FL 0

Jay Cutler GS 16 Comp 63.6 TD 20 INT 14 Yrds 3,497 FL 4

Matt Hassleback GS 12 Comp 54.8 TD 7 INT 8 Yrds 2,023 FL 2

Carson Palmer GS 13 Comp 60.9 TD 18 INT 18 Yrds 2,897 FL 2

Eli Manning GS 7 Comp 48.2 TD 6 INT 9 Yrds 1,043 FL 1

Matt Ryan GS 16 Comp 61.1 TD 16 INT 11 Yrds 3,440 FL 1

AVERAGE GS 13.9 Comp 60.3 TD 17 INT 14 Yrds 2,617 FL 2

So this is what we should see if Chad Henne is on the right track to becoming a "elite" QB in the NFL. IMO this doesn't seem to be to much to ask for. The one thing that we are going to have to understand as a fanbase is that he will throw INT's and make mistakes but if the ball is going in the endzone and at the end of the day we win around 6-8 of our remaining games I will personally be impressed. Patience is going to be needed by all of us and hopefully by next season we won't be begging to have Chad Pennington back ...although I wish he was still our QB at this very moment :(

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What are you expecting to see from Chad Henne this year?

The Average

21 votes

Above Average

13 votes

Below Average

8 votes

Benched after 6 games

1 votes

The QB of a Playoff Team lol had to put this in

6 votes

49 votes | Poll has closed

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what is the FL?

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

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by MrMedic on Sep 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions

i was wondering the same thing..

CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !

by MainePhinFan on Sep 30, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions

fumbles lost?

by MainePhinFan on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

idk

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by samdaman on Sep 30, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Too many variables to go by numbers alone...

I mean a stat line of 7 starts, 48% completion rate and 6 td’s with 9 INT’s would probably have most Miami fans calling for us to draft a QB next year, quite high.

Yet those, the 48% 6TD/9 INT ones, were Eli Manning’s numbers. For that matter, John Elway had a horrific first season too. One of the major differences, as I see it, is that the dolphins don’t have $20+ million invested in Henne and a loss of draft picks as the Giants did in trading up to get/sign Manning Jr.

I think it is all a matter of various areas of progress. You look at QB play and have to be able to weigh the QB’s decisions and plays and skills vs. the influence of good (or bad) blocking for him, the quality of his receivers – do they make clutch catches, can he depend on them, do they get separation, how does the running game progress, etc. Not to mention you want to evaluate the QB individually on his footwork, pocket presence, holding the ball, quick/slow release, progression of reads, game management, etc.

So I think it is all a matter of progression in a variety of areas, not just numbers.

by Natalya on Sep 30, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

its not just numbers but

I did look into most of the factors and that is why I took the average of 10 QB’s in this past 10 years roughly. While there are many different things involved in this: for instance Matt Ryan had Turner and Rivers had Tomlinson. I think it is never numbers that should decide but it should help in many ways if he is successful or not

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Excellent Post

I got ripped by people for suggesting that we should expect 60% completions, more TD’s than INT’s and a 7-8 yd / attempt average.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/9/28/1059202/what-is-success-for-chad-henne

I was told that these are “lofty expectations” or “ridiculous”. While I agree that stats aren’t everything, I do believe that there is a minimum expectation and your average is right where we should be expecting Henne’s numbers to be if he is the next franchise QB for the Phins.

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by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions

marcus_13 helped himself by providing

the stats to back up his argument. I think I was one that though maybe you were expecting a bit much. Given what the stats say maybe you are correct there sir. I would not say that if he come in a little under those number he is a total loss though. I want to see continued improvement from now untill the end of the season and from there I will trust the trifecta.

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks!!!

I did see your post and I even thought you were shooting high until I decided to put in a little work. If this is going to be our FRAN QB and and ELITE QB than looking at these QB’s this is what we should see. I guess the point I really wanted to get across was that if he turns the ball over 16 times that he isn’t really all that bad but AVERAGE. I look forward to Sunday and to the future of the Phins

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks for the research! Good job on the post!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

ct1361 I also should have put the link in my write up, good work

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Hell you did all the work, you should get all the credit

I just looked up what Flacco and Ryan did last year and figured that was a good baseline for what to expect out of Henne. Plus it was fhitshaced who asked the question in the post.

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

You both did a good job even if I initially thought it was all wrong.

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions

One thought to ponder.

If Henne does great, all of the CP10 haters will dismiss the thought that CP had anything to do with mentoring / guiding / leading / teaching Henne anything.

I think if Henne does well, it will be in no small part due to CP10.

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions

I certianly think that there are enough of us around here

that will remind them. No worries!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions

If Henne does poorly, does CP10 get the blame?

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Really?

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions

That was tongue in cheek.

I think the Pennington as mentor angle has been way overplayed. IMO, Henne will succeed because he has the talent to succeed, not because Pennington was able to instill some secret knowledge on how to be an NFL QB. There have been any number of young QB’s be successful in the league without a “mentor”. Who was Flacco’s mentor last year, Kyle Boller? Troy Smith?

Did Pennington show Henne how to study film? Probably. DId Pennington work with Henne in opponent preparation? Maybe. But all the film study and opponent preparation does nothing if you don’t have the talent to make plays.

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Ill take what we can get wherever we can get it.

Ultimately your right and the only one thats going to determine how successful Henne is will be Henne!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

But he did such a great job with Kellen Clemons lol

I’m sure he helped but I think you are very right in terms of being overplayed

by markus_13 on Oct 1, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions

no ct, if Henne does poorly, then God gets the blame cause then we will know that Henne sucks. CP will have done the best he could do with the mud he had to work with.

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions

And, yes, I do want Henne to do well. Not because I love him, but because I want the Phins to win

and I want this f**king QB controversy to stop. I want to see us use draft picks to fill other needs like Jake Long was.

As a side note, to my right is the headline that Nike just signed Vick to an endorsement deal – guess Nike does not want my business!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions

I agree.

I will wait to see what the trifecta does and then support whoever is in there.

As far as Nike I have been boycotting those bastards for almost 20 years. This does not affect me because they never get any of my money any way. The only way to change the actions of a souless company is to hit them in the pocket book. Money is the one language that everyone understands.

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions

QB Controversy? wrong site my friend

if you don’t want QB controversy you are on the wrong site. I have already read many posts stating that pat white should be the starter and better yet Thigpen. I find this stuff pretty funny to read especially since Henne hasn’t even started one game yet people want to throw him under the bus. Pennington was a good QB who shouldn’t have even been questioned as a starter IMO yet people still want to attack some people because of his “noodle arm” which I happend to love, now hopefully I can fall for Henne and his laser, rocket, cannon of an arm

by markus_13 on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Duh. I was saying that I hope Henne does well, because it will end the QB controversy.

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 30, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

That will be a glorious, glorious day!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I would love to not have to discuss who should be playing QB for the Phins the next 5 years!

Hopefully Henne fits that bill.

by ct1361 on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Can we shoot for 10 years. Please I need a long break from the worry!

by texascowpunk on Sep 30, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I know what you were saying but ...

I look at it this way, Chad Pennington took a 1-15 team and took us to the playoffs and was in the MVP voting yet people on this site would make complaints and thought he should be bench based on arm strength ect..

so with that being said I’m not sure people will give Henne all that much more lead way even if he plays well because they will call for Pat White or Thigpen with the spread offense and want more

by markus_13 on Oct 1, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions

i agree with u 99%

nike still makes nice shoes

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by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions

I guess if you like ugly shoes!

by texascowpunk on Oct 1, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions

go to flightclubNY.com and click nike skateboarding

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by samdaman on Oct 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions