Missed opportunities doom Dolphins as they fall to Chargers
On Sunday the Dolphins traveled to San Diego looking to knock off a team that, top to bottom, is better than they are. But for the second consecutive week, the Dolphins again came up short and now head home to Miami with an 0-3 record after failing to the Chargers 23-13.
I'm sure everybody is going to have their own take - some more negative than others. Of course you can point to a number of reasons why the Dolphins lost and blame any number of players. But when it comes down to it, I believe that the Dolphins lost this game in the first half despite heading into the locker room in 3-3 tie.
Missed opportunities in first half hurt Dolphins
I brought up the fact that the Chargers are a better football team for a reason. When you are playing a team that is better than you, you have got to take advantage of every opportunity that presents itself. You must stockpile points when you can to give yourself the cushion you will likely need for when your opponent makes their run. We saw this last week against the Colts as well. The Dolphins settled for too many field goals in that game when "7s" are far more important than "3s" against a superior team. On Sunday, it was a similar situation.
The obvious example of this was Miami's first possession. It's almost unacceptable to come away with only three points when you put together a 94 yard drive. So coming away with no points is just nauseating. Regardless of whose fault it was - though it looked like Ronnie Brown dropped his arm too soon on the exchange from the quarterback - those kinds of mistakes are the mistakes that bad football teams make. And what makes this loss so hard to swallow is the "what if" game you play of the Dolphins get seven points on that nearly remarkable drive.
But that's not all. Trailing 3-0 and following a Miami three and out, Joey Porter and the defense finally makes a play - forcing their first turnover of 2009 (it's about time, too). Two Ronnie Brown runs later and the Dolphins are suddenly at San Diego's five yard line. What a time for the right side of the offensive line to completely crap the bed, as Ronnie loses 3 yards on 1st down and 2 yards on 3rd down, leading to a Dan Carpenter field goal.
When you play teams as talented as San Diego, you need all the points you can get. What should have been a 14-3 Dolphins lead was just a 3-3 game in the second quarter. If you want my opinion, it was these two big missed opportunities that lost the football game.
Poor play-calling also a culprit
I'm not one to usually kill the play-calling of a team because I'm well aware that there are things going on or things that the coaches want to do that I simply don't know. But I just can't help but question a number of decisions today.
So allow me to list all of my issues and then you can tell me if I'm nitpicking a little.
Dolphins second possession, 3rd & 2, and the Dolphins decide to go with an empty backfield. I'm fine with the decision to pass the ball. But at least threaten San Diego with the run by having Ronnie back there. After how he was running on the first possession, you know the Chargers would have respected the run. Perhaps a play-action pass? I'm just saying...
How about the first drive of the second half. It's a 3-3 game and both Brown and Ricky Williams have been outstanding on the ground. So what do the Dolphins do? Four pass plays - never handing the ball to either Brown nor Williams. Bad job there.
Then we go to the most pivotal drive of the second half. The Chargers have just taken a 13-6 lead with 12 minutes to go. The Dolphins have basically a rookie in a quarterback - Chad Henne - replacing the injured Chad Pennington. Seems like a good time to get back to the ground game that hurt the Chargers in the first half, right? Wrong. Let's throw it three consecutive times and then punt.
In a nutshell, the biggest issue I had with the play-calling was how the Dolphins just didn't seem to want to get back to the run after their first possession. On that drive, the Dolphins ran it with Ronnie and Ricky nine times. But in the entire second half, the Dolphins have it to those two just 12 times. Unacceptable - especially with Chad Henne having to take over in the third quarter.
Defense bends much but breaks little
A lot of people want to kill the defense for their performance on Sunday against the Chargers. But I'm not going to because they played well enough to win the game. Were they great? Of course not. But they only allowed 16 points to a high-powered offense. That's good enough to win - unless you're the Dolphins, of course.
So what did bother me about the defense? The inability to get to the quarterback continues to bother me. They showed a better pass rush this week, but great quarterbacks still make big plays under pressure. If you don't physically get guys like Phillip Rivers before he releases the ball, you're not going to rattle him. The Dolphins blitzed quite a bit but had trouble physically getting to Rivers. And Rivers made the Dolphins pay.
I was also disappointed in Will Allen. First of all, why can't the guy stay on his freakin' feet? Every game it seems like he falls to the turf in coverage when the ball is heading to his man. But more than that, it seems like opposing teams are going after him instead of the rookie starting on the other side. What does that tell you? He's just not getting the job done anymore. And you can't help but wonder how long it will be until Vontae Davis begins stealing first-team reps from Allen.
I brought up the rookie - I'm referring to Sean Smith, of course - and while he did get beat for one long pass, I continue to be pleased with how he performs. On that catch by Malcom Floyd, Smith was in perfect position and nearly knocked it away. Even so, it was a ridiculously difficult catch for Floyd to make. So Smith gets a pass there. But other than that, Smith was pretty solid as teams surprisingly haven't been testing him much.
Also on the positive side was Miami's rushing defense. The Dolphins limited Darren Sproles and Michael Bennett to 59 yards on 26 carries (2.27 ypc). With that said, it makes you wonder - is the NFL becoming a different style league? Two consecutive weeks now, the Dolphins have run the ball effectively and stopped the run effectively - and they've lost both. Food for thought, I suppose.
Bottom line, though. In my opinion, the defense did not lose this game. Do they deserve some blame? Sure - but not the majority of it.
Chad Henne steps in
We got our first taste of the 2009 version of Chad Henne as he came on in relief of the injured Chad Pennington. Needless to say (or is it, after reading some of the comments in the post-game thread), it's not fair to judge Henne off of this game or to make ridiculous assumptions off of a quarter and a half of work. It's unlikely that Henne was getting much practice time with the starting offense during the week and it was clear that the rhythm of the offense - if the Dolphins even have one - was affected by the change. So let's give Henne some time before bashing him - which should mean a lot considering I haven't ever been overly impressed with Henne since college.
With that said, here's what I saw out of Henne. I saw a quarterback who looked uncomfortable on the field. He didn't look confident. He didn't look calm and collected. I also saw some inaccurate throws. Should Ted Ginn have caught those back-to-back drops? Of course (and we'll get to Ginn later). But they were inaccurate - especially the second one.
I also saw a quarterback who made a terrible decision to seal the game for the Chargers. Henne dropped back and did look right before coming back to Davone Bess, who was running an out pattern to the left. But he took too long to get back to him and make the throw. Henne needs to throw that before Bess makes his break. He was late with the ball and Eric Weddle read it all the way. But he'll learn from that - I hope.
All told, there isn't too much to talk about. Henne was thrown into a difficult situation and he played like you would expect an inexperienced quarterback to play. But at 0-3 - and I said this last week - it's time to make the switch to Chad Henne as the starter. With Pennington's injury, this might work itself out to begin with. But even if CP is capable of playing next week, there's no point. Let Henne get 13 games of starting experience under his belt in 2009 so we can begin to evaluate his long-term potential.
TURNING POINT OF THE GAME
The turning point of Sunday's game, in my opinion, occurred with about 9 minutes left to play. The Chargers had the ball and a 13-6 lead. It was 3rd & 8 from Miami's 40 yard line. The Dolphins decide to come with a cornerback blitz. But Gibril Wilson is too far off the line to pick up Antonio Gates. Nathan Jones, who lined up over Gates, blitzes at the snap and Phillip Rivers hits Gates with the pass before Wilson can get to him. It's a 15 yard gain, a first down, and puts SD in FG range for the field goal that would put San Diego up by two scores. Essentially - game over.
QUICK HITS
Some more quick thoughts on the game:
- I've been a loyal Ted Ginn supporter. But let's be honest - he'll never be a go-to receiver. Those two dropped passes on back-to-back plays are inexcusable. Were the passes perfect? No. But they hit Ginn in the hands or chest each time. NFL receivers make that catch.
- Speaking of receivers, why can't Dolphin receivers make plays like Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd make? Is Malcom Floyd a big-time receiver? No - but he steps up when he has to. Outside of Davone Bess, the Dolphins don't have a receiver like that. But Bess is only a possession receiver - not a big-play guy.
- I miss the old Jason Taylor.
- Too many penalties. Though I will say that the pass interference call on Will Allen on that third down was a very questionable call.
- Ronnie Brown - he's good. Even when the offensive line fails him, he can make the first defender in the backfield miss. It's too bad that the offensive line seemed to get worse as the game went on.
- Speaking of the offensive line, why is it that Chad Henne can't get good protection anytime he's behind the starting offensive line?
- Darren Sproles averaged just 20 yards per kick return. Nice job by the coverage unit.
- We have got to get a kick returner who is a threat. It doesn't help our offense when every drive starts at the 25 yard line - or worse.
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although we prolly wont finish the AFC East here…
Laces out!
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Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
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by BSerious72 on Sep 28, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Matty...
whats the word with CP10? Any news on how long he’s out for…
If he’s done for the season do you predict he’ll retire and just become our QB coach?
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter King reported that he's "doubtful" for next week
But I have a feeling it’s worse than a week to week thing.
by Matty I on Sep 28, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty....
does it really matter at this point? I’d have to believe that the Pennington era is over now. It sucks to admit it, but 0-3, with a crazy hard schedule coming up, maybe just give Henne those 13 meaningless games under his belt. And I mean meaningless as in odds of them having playoof implications, not as in the game means nothing.
by captain flitzy on Sep 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that...
I jsut saw you actually wrote the exact thing, i Must have skipped it when i clicked the read more part.
by captain flitzy on Sep 28, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pissed
i was not mentally prepared to go 0-3 to start this year.
anybody remember last year? we were all ready to go win 3-5 games and not be overly dissappointed because we knew in 09-10 season we would be superbowl contenders
and then we all bring out the blame game
arguements amongst fans, mocking by rivals… its hard to lose with such high expectations.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 28, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing more to add
you bout covered it.
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by Neo on Sep 28, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best statement you make in this whole article
is that we need a threat at KR. NEED in all caps. Leon Washington is a FA coming up, if we don’t throw the bank at him, I’ll be mad.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 28, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would be thrilled to get leon washington
that would shut up my jet fan friends
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude nothing is going to ever shut them up
they are from NY!
by texascowpunk on Sep 28, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
o yea, thats tru
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i still think they should look at giving that Williams kid another shot.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
one ball of the facemask shouldn’t erase the fact that he’s the most electric return guy we’ve had here in years
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked to see them continue to work with him.
by texascowpunk on Sep 29, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he broke his hand and was released
i believe they can bring him back when his hand is healed. that’s, what? 4 – 6 weeks?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Brown is a fantastic RB, but our running game will never get any respect
without the presence of a big-play wideout. We just don’t have any longball potential on this team and it’s killing us.
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by kmb8488 on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Big play??
Right now I will be happy with a receiver that can catch a ball farther than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Like Matty said, Malcom Floyd isn’t a big play WR, but at least he catches the ball. Would have liked to have seen something throw Hartline’s direction (not sure how the coverage was on him though)
Ronnie looked great when they gave him the ball. For the life of me I can’t understand why we went away from the run (Not talking about when the score was 23-6). The chargers weren’t stopping Ricky or Ronnie but we suddenly stop pounding the rock. Don’t understand the constant short passing game. Why throw 2-4 yard passes, you might as well just continue to run the ball.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally new team next year?
no ronnie no CP10 high draft pick
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 28, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wats with u and getting rid of ronnie?
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see a whole lot of this game.
I do know that Vincent Jackson is a bad-ass. Weren’t they trying to get rid of him a few years ago in a trade? Anyway.Matty was right about Henne, for sure. He didn’t look comfortable, and I’ll leave it at that. Wil Allen was looking a little old also. Honestly Porter, Allen, and JT have looked kind of old to me during the 3 games.
It doesn’t look good and maybe I’m too optimistic but I’m not ready to give up on the season. I’ve seen teams turn it around too many times in bad situations, so you never know. Lets hang in there and see what happens. The worst that can happen? Maybe Sam Bradford.
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by AussieKen on Sep 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed with all
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vincent Jackson is an upcoming free agent
just sayin…. lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had two guys jump on his Sunday it it didn't make a difference
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i still want him
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by samdaman on Sep 29, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most positive thing I took from this game was the play of Langford and Merling
Dudes looked fierce this afternoon. We need to get them a two-gap nose tackle.
Some other thoughts I had going through my head during the game:
- We will never get to a super bowl with Channing Crowder playing ILB. We need to address that position sometime this season or in the draft (this means you, Brandon Spikes). More specifically, we need a leader on defense.
- I am ready for Chris Clemons. The lack of speed we have at the safety position led to us getting torched by Vincent Jackson on that long bomb.
- What the hell happened to Anthony Fasano? Did those fumbles in ATL rattle his cage? He looks nothing like how he did this time last year.
We have to remember that this is year two of the rebuilding process. It’s kind of like a sequel to any movie: high expectations going in, but utterly disappointing and unsatisfying early on, so you keep holding out hope that things are going to turn around just in time to salvage the whole production. I was prepared for this little nose dive, and I hold out hope that year three is when this team is really going to take it’s place as one of the best teams in the league.
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by kmb8488 on Sep 28, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im
getting sick of crowder and ready for clemons to step in
OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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by kewlguy on Sep 28, 2009 5:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
im
getting sick of crowder and ready for clemons to step in
OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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by kewlguy on Sep 28, 2009 5:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
langford and merling are going to be amazing
mark my words
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But..
I don’t think anyone was prepared for players to all but vanish who had contributed so greatly last year, like Fasano. Camerillo must still be hurting. Ginn made some great touchdowns last year….gone, vanished. Perplexing.
by oceantracks on Sep 28, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 28, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
If Camarillo is hurt, lets start trying to get some playing time for Patrick Turner. Seems to me that the same arguement a lot of you guys on here like to use for Chad Henne (get him in the game so he has “experience”) would apply the same to a WR. He might just surprise us and be able to hold onto a ball!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Turner must play!
I agree with you. I want to see him at least dressed on gamedays.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was told fasano got hurt
and haynos was in. Any word on this?
by kazam92 on Sep 28, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
didnt hear that
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone who thought wed be close to last year or better...
needs a reality check. This team is a 9-7 team at best, and I could have told you that 3 weeks ago.The people that thought miami would be a division contender are the same people who stopped watching miami when they were 0-4 in 2007.
Where do you expect the talent to be on that offense. Ted Ginn? Davone Bess? Anthony Fasano? You could put the greatest oline in there and we still wouldnt have a wr to throw to. We are a power running team that should run the ball at least 30 times a game thats WHO WE ARE!! WE FAILED IN 2 OUT OF 3 GAMES of reaching that mark!! Also, Chad Henne in the limited action he has been in has looked absolutely atrocious. Plus, who is he going to throw to? Miami hasnt had a great reciever since MARK CLAYTON!
What irks me MORE is that this organization doesnt seem to like making risks at all! We could have at least offered Denver something for Cutler (A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK) and Brandon Marshall (top 10 wide reciever) Yes, The price of both would have depleted partially our 2009 draft (no pat white, no vontae davis) and Marshall probably would have cost us a 2nd and 3rd in 2010. But if Henne doesnt pan out, chalk out a FAIL on a 2007 2nd round pick and drafting ANOTHER qb high next year….But I’m willing to waste 5-6 draft picks for Cutler and Marshall. Plus half of those picks would have been for qb’s anyway…
by Wallace758 on Sep 28, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I dont want to waste anymore draft picks on QB’s. It’s been what 3 years in a row? for a 2nd rounder each time.. It’s ridiculous. Yes we needed an offensive linemen in Jake Long, but damn, Denvers Clady is just as good and he was drafted when? Take Ryan and trade up and we wouldnt have Henne but oh well. I want Henne to work out, but he has no experience with first team, give him time let him play 09…
by PhinsFan69 on Sep 28, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Jake Long...
Did anyone catch what Dwight Freeney was doing to the Cardinals LT? That dude was getting beat on almost every single play. I don’t think that anyone can really comment on Jake having a poor performance against Freeney. Freeney is just a flippin freak of nature! That’s how you put pressure on a QB people!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anybody was really on Jake for needing help.
Freeney might be the best DE in the league.
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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in this post
But several posters last week were saying how poorly Jake played against Freeney last week because he landed on his butt a few times. I thought he did well against Freeney until last night, but after watching Freeney dismantle the passing attack of the Cardinals with pressure on almost every pass, I KNOW JAKE PLAYED EXTREMELY WELL. Just searching for some positives Joel, and after Sunday I had to go back to the game against the Colts.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty you're a bit behind the times
Passing offence and passing defence have been the most important factors in the game for years now. Blame new rules or what have you, the evidence is overwhelming.
Warner wins a Super Bowl throwing it like crazy. Pats won a Super Bowl with Brady. The Colts start to get dominant with Manning. Pats copy them, move to pass-first, win more SBs. Colts win SB as well. Arizona makes the SB last year, and passing offence was the only damn thing they were elite at! Even Pittsburgh, a classic power team, has moved to pass first these days. That’s not by chance, that’s strategy.
Without great receivers we’re going nowhere. I honestly believe CP10 is a fantastic QB, and he’s probably limited more by our poor WRs than he limited them.
Show me a contender that can’t pass the ball and make big plays, and I’ll show you a team that won’t get as far as you think. (That sucked, I know)
Anyway, we’re not done yet. Henne was awful but it means nothing. Let’s regroup and beat Buffalo and NY.
Football isn't a matter of life and death - it's far more important than that.
by Agumen on Sep 28, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wrote a post back in the spring addressing this point
I am 38 years old and all I have told is the running the ball and defense wins championships. But I don’t think that is the case anymore. I think you need dynamic playmakers at the QB and WR positions. Players that on any given play can make something happen. Even the teams with great defenses that have won superbowls lately (NYG and Steelers) still needed great plays by the QB and WR’s (Manning, Big Ben, Hixon, Burress, Holmes, etc) to win superbowls. Who on the phins are capable of making those plays? Where are those type of plays going to come from with this roster?
One of the big mistakes that Parcells GM led teams have had is the ability to get those playmakers. In part, that is why I think he has failed to take the NYJ, Cowboys and maybe the phins to the Superbowl. Each of those teams have lack big time playmakers. And so far, through 2 drafts, I don’t see a playmaker. Until those type of players are on this roster the phins will struggle to be consistent winners. Here is hoping that Henne is the first!
by ct1361 on Sep 28, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cowboys had Romo and TO?
Jason Witten?
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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and they haven't won a playoff game yet
Those might be the type of guys that I am talking about. But right now, the jury is still out on them. The fact is that a Parcells led team has not won a playoff game since ‘98. That’s a long time.
by ct1361 on Sep 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the jury is still out on TO?
Ted Ginn must go.
by afmo on Sep 28, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a sense, yes it is
He is older, not as fast, and his hands have always been questionable. If he was still a difference maker, do you think the Cowboys would have released him? I don’t. I think they saw the writing on the wall and gave him his walking papers.
by ct1361 on Sep 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about
The Saints, having the #1 passing team, not making the playoffs?
The Giants when they beat the pats, that season they were surely not a passing team.
Broncos was a passing team last year as well
The players you have is a big criteria, i don’t see either way is necessary. 49ers played in Martz 3 WR system last year and faltered, they are much better this year back to basics for exampe.
by MoLimits on Sep 28, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
•Speaking of the offensive line, why is it that Chad Henne can't get good protection anytime he's behind the starting offensive line?
I have to say that the reason for this is that the Defense of the Chargers realized and probably knew if he came in, he hasn’t had next to none experience behind this line and it seemed they bullrushed every down to try and ruffle his feathers. I’m devastated to go 0-3. Smells too much like 07…. I dont like it. And behind a 150 million dollar O-Line it’s not respectable at all… Our running backs are what makes our offense look good.
by PhinsFan69 on Sep 28, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And as for our defense, I miss Andre Goodman… to me, if he’s worth 5 years for Denver, why coudn’t we offer him another contract instead of some of the other contracts that dont seem deserved such as Carey, Crowder( even though I think we needed him, not showing now)
by PhinsFan69 on Sep 28, 2009 3:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen
I always thought Goodwin was our best coverage guy last year. I think he had something like 23 defended passes and I rarely saw him get beat. I would have rather kept him and not waste the signing of E. Green.
But I will say that I am very impressed with the play of our two rookie CBs. Davis played a great game and even though he was on coverage on the long pass to Floyd, he couldn’t have made a better play short of an INT.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty....I'm going to agree with you on Henne.
He’ll get his reps with the first team this week and hopefully will shine in his first career start next week.
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by Kdog92 on Sep 28, 2009 5:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to laugh at some of the posts
because it’s like they expected a cocoon to come standard equipment with Henne.This OL hasn’t gelled worth a damn as of yet and the jacked up play calling is only exposing and amplifying that fact.
It seems every damn time we have a team back on their heels,Dan comes up with some bright ass plan to absolutely kill what little momentum we have fought and scratched for in the first place and while I LOVED the first play of the game but why totally abandon it?The mere threat of the bomb keeps the D from charging the LOS on every play and needs to be in the back of the D’s mind and would do a hell of a lot more to loosen up the D than those tired ass 5 yard dinks that only serve to further compact the D closer to the line of scrimmage and I just don’t understand it….Rivers missed on a couple of those but he didn’t stop and then they hit pay dirt.
I didn’t expect much from Hennes first action,it will take time and plenty of it so his play doesn’t bother me in the least and he throws a much different ball than CP and you could clearly see his velocity when Ginn went down for those catches and it looked like they snuck up on him because he was used to CP’s ball just diving for the dirt.
I think we will have a good idea within three games because Henne and the WR’s will build chemistry and get used to his ball,maybe by then David Lee will be calling ALL plays and not just the WildCat plays because Henning is hendering the development and progress of what I believe to be a potentially explosive Offense.
Oh yeah…Will Allen should NEVER cover the opponents best WR and Crowder should be cut!
by firedanhenningnow on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was it Allen that fell down?
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 28, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I completely agree.
Henning should not even have maintained the job after game 3 last year. David Lee deserves all credit for The Wildcat and the ensuing wins. Henning is way too conervative and he plain and simple needs to go.
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by joel311 on Sep 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I woke up this morning with an epiphany.
We could be 3-0 right now, but we’re not, why?
Lack of concentration. All of the plays we’re not making and the mistakes we are making are a lot of times what I’ll hear referred to as “Concentration” plays. Screwing up a handoff for instance and fumbling the ball is due to lack of concentration. So are the 1,001 dropped balls we’ve had. As are our secondary falling freaking down on a play that nets the Chargers three quarters of the field.
If you’re in the “zone” or whatever you want to call it, you’re not going to screw up like that. You’ll get beat physically cause the guy is stronger or faster than you, or simply has better hands or a better position on the field, but you’re not going to drop a catch or fumble a ball without getting your helmet knocked off in the process.
Problem with the Phins right now is mind over matter, a correctible mistake. Plus we need some big playmakers that we don’t have, especially at WR, which would help overcome the mental errors. And though I love Fasano to death cause he’s one of my Fighting Irish stars, we need a TE. We haven’t had a TE on the field since last year. It’s like playing with 10 guys (sometimes it’s like the other team has 12), it sucks.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 28, 2009 6:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On that Henne INT
I also saw a quarterback who made a terrible decision to seal the game for the Chargers. Henne dropped back and did look right before coming back to Davone Bess, who was running an out pattern to the left. But he took too long to get back to him and make the throw. Henne needs to throw that before Bess makes his break. He was late with the ball and Eric Weddle read it all the way. But he’ll learn from that – I hope.
It was also taht same stupid play we had been running all day, that screen to Bess, it was only a matter fo time before the Chargers sniffed it out
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by Patssuck456 on Sep 28, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wide Outs
OK, who else thinks the Phins need to go and pick up Marvin Harrison? I’m sure at this point the guy is itching to play & the Big Tuna good get him at a discount. It would be a HUGE improvement over Ginn & company.. Henne needs a proven receiver if he is going to have any chance to be succesful in the passing game..
Zman
by Pianomanzz on Sep 28, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny you bring this up becasue I was thinking the same thing last night after the game.
The man still has more talent than we have in our receiver.
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been wondering that for a while
But I don’t know that Marvin even knows how to speak enough to pick up the phone. I had thought about him coming in and trying to teach the younger WRs how to run routes but I just don’t see him in a mentor type role. He seems too “to himself” to really pay dividends in what we need from him. He isn’t a long term fix and we don’t need a one year patch at the WR position.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 28, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Harrison's too old
and is demanding too much money. He’s also had a couple of injuries the past few seasons, and that combined with his age doesn’t make him a good choice. At least in my opinion.
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by Chupathingy on Sep 28, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not the Wildcat as Base offense?
The Wildcat has been succesfull (with Ronnie running it) so far this season, at this point why not run it as the base offense? It sure couldn’t have hurt to use it the rest of the Chargers game after CP went down, but I don’t recall seeing it once after that? I just don’t get it. You have a devasting weapon in your possesion & don’t use it?
by Pianomanzz on Sep 28, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sure would be going back in time
Before the pass was invented. That’d be pretty interesting.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 28, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells has lost his touch. It's sad to say, but it's very true.
His free agents aquisitions have been terrible thus far. He is very lucky Chad Pennington was released by the Jets last year because without Pennington, who knows what our record would have been last year. Definitely not 11-5 that’s for shore. Remember, before CP10 came along, he had signed Luke McCown. Luke Bleeping McCown! That would have been out starting QB! The only free agent move he’s made that has paid off was Justin Smiley, who has been our best offensive lineman thus far. Look at Parcell’s free agent moves the past two seasons:
Reggie Torbor- Terrible. He’s getting paid like a starter. He can’t even get on the field. He’s been ok on special teams, but not for what they’re paying him.
Ernest Wilford- No Comment.
Eric Green- Atleast, Parcells realized very quickly that he made a bad decision. But still, you could have had Leigh Bodden for the same price and you passed him up.
Jake Grove- It’s still early, but from what I’ve seen so far, Parcells should have really paid the extra $4 million to get Jason Brown, whose the best center in football. Grove has been good in the Run game though.
Jason Taylor- Hes just bad luck! Lol. I love JT, but he’s just bad luck. I don’t know how else to put it. When he’s here, we suck. When’s he’s gone, we go 11-5 and win the divison. Go figure! Lol.
Gibril Wilson- No Comment.
Chad Pennington- The best free agent signing we’ve made in 10 years and it almost doesn’t happen had it not been for Brett Farve. He is unquestionably the leader of this team and I hope he stays around for the next 2 or 3 years.
I’m not going to completely bash Parcells. His trades have been nothing short of great. Jason Ferguson for a 6th rounder was a great move. Fasano and Akin Ayodele for a 4th rounder was also nice. But the best trade he made was Lorenzo Booker for a 4th round pick. Although, he then screwed up that trade by taking Shawn Murphy with that pick. He’s has had two solid drafts thus far. Sean Smith, Vontae, Merling, Langford, Hartline, and Donald Thomas were all great selections. Although you can say he’s made some bad picks too! The jury is still out on Pat White, Chad Henne, and Patrick Turner. But some could say that Pat White, and Patrick Turner were taken way too early.
I like Parcells, but he needs to give the Free Agent signing to someone else. He has really lost his touch….
by JP 23 on Sep 28, 2009 8:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
samory?
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a short somery of the long comment just for me!
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ladder
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lack of talent
Dolphin fans are use to talent at the WR spot. Warfield, Moore, Martin, Mc Duffie, Clayton, Duper, Irving, even Cefalo was better than these guys. At least Chambers showed a flash here and there. Bess would do better to run up field instead of sideways all the time. As for the secondary. The Blackwood brothers were slow but they didn’t get torched like this bunch. and they not only could tackle but they would hit you hard. Not since Brian Walker and Lou Oliver have the Dolphins had a true headhunter roaming the the deep 3rd.
by lover of fins on Sep 28, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the playcalling
The last 2 games have been lost on incomprehensible play-calling at the worst possible time. The Henne interception TD was an insanely bad play call. There were three receivers vs. six defensive backs, already an extremely difficult situation. Furthermore, only one receiver went deep; the other two not only went short, but were in the same area of the field. Watch the interception on replay, an you’ll see that the safety didn’t "sniff it out, he simply didn’t have anything else to do. No one needed his help, so he ran toward the receiver closest to him. Worse yet, the receiver had stopped moving, so the safety could move at full direct speed. Henne was clearly following the play that was called. Sure, a more experienced QB would have been wary of the safety’s move and wouldn’t have thrown a pass, but hey! Coaching staff! Henne’s not an experienced quarterback.
When did Henne look good? When he could move around and wait for things to develop. He got more comfortable, competent, and certain every time he was able to do that. He’s big, strong, and has an arm-cannon. He can’t be brought down easily and can throw the ball very hard, fast, and far. These are Ben R-berger type attributes, not Chad P ones. For doubters, I suggest you recall the called-back TD pass. Yes, of course, he was past the line of scrimmage, but the ability shown on the play….Right now, with Chad P’s arm and immobility, our receivers have only a few seconds to get open, and a limited amount of terrain to work with. With Henne, they will have more time and be able to use 100% of the field. A Ted Ginn who could use his speed and not have to worry about getting annihilated on short crossing routes, a QB who can throw the ball 60 yards who is too big to be brought down easily…Use your imagination for a moment…
Whether he has anything like Ben R’s talent, I don’t know, but he has to be given the chance to develop it. It’s on the coaching staff now. Henne has shown enough that he is deserving of a chance, but treating him as if he’s an interchangeable Chad P clone would be a disaster. Necessity has presented an opportunity. Let’s hope the coaches know how to use it.
by Joel West on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Henne's interception was definitely not a bad play call. It was just a poor read by Henne.
That pick was all on him. He didn’t even look at the DB standing next to Bess. And it wasn’t all bad play calling. I liked most of the plays that were called (except on goal line) but it was just terrible execution. If Pennington (amazing huh?) doesn’t overthrow Ginn, it’s a TD. If Ronnie Brown doesn’t fumble that ball on goal line, that’s a TD. It was just poor execution.
And btw, I think Pennington blew out his arm on that deep throw to Ginn and that’s why he’s hurt. Lol
by JP 23 on Sep 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Henne's interception was definitely not a bad play call. It was just a poor read by Henne.
That pick was all on him. He didn’t even look at the DB standing next to Bess. And it wasn’t all bad play calling. I liked most of the plays that were called (except on goal line) but it was just terrible execution. If Pennington (amazing huh?) doesn’t overthrow Ginn, it’s a TD. If Ronnie Brown doesn’t fumble that ball on goal line, that’s a TD. It was just poor execution.
And btw, I think Pennington blew out his arm on that deep throw to Ginn and that’s why he’s hurt. Lol
by JP 23 on Sep 28, 2009 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Get down from that ledge...
Right now we suck – but we could be 3-0. We’ve given away all 3 games.
I’m all in favour of the youth movement and going with Henne, Davis, Clemons and Turner, but not until we win a game.
I read this article last week on SI.com about passing defense and the Detroit Lions. Someone above posted about how the league has changed from run/stop run to pass/stop pass. Sadly, these were the 2 areas we adressed in this years draft without any results thus far.
This team is very good at stopping the run but it’s futile to do so when all teams do is convert long 3rd downs against a bad secondary. Either Wilson or Bell needs to go. One of them is playing out of position and ruining things for everyone.
If this was Penny’s last game for the Fins then thanks for all you’ve done for us. Now it’s time to move on. Same for you JT. BRING ON CAM WAKE. And hurry back Matt Roth.
<<http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/kerry_byrne/09/23/lions/index.html>>
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Sep 28, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I jumst don't know..
The dolphins can’t seem to finish, we can get the ball down the field, but yet again missed oppurtunties kill us. Our defense couldn’t hold Rivers and Jackson. We need to practice hard this week on account that we have a division game this week. Pick it up Miami.
by dolfancraigo on Sep 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
amen
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
I know the schedule is a killer, but we could and should have beat Indy and SD. You can’t have 3 drives reach inside the 5 and end with 6 points.
The risk is that if we can’t beat Buffalo or NYJ, the team could really fall in a spiral and things won’t get any better.
This was why part of me (i posed this on CBS Dolphin forum) would have preferred to finish 8-8 or 9-7 last year, instead of 11-5. Remember the Cowboys in 89? they moved gradually over the next few years and built a dynasty. We are in the end building a team from 1-15 and that doesn’t happen so easily.
Saying that, i think we should play Pennington (if he is fit), till we secure a few wins and see where we stand, we don’t want Henne to face the pressure if we are 0-5 or so.
PS: Can someone PLEASE send Ted Ginn a tape of DeSean Jackson? someone who has 1 less year of NFL and almost of same build (actually slightly shorter), and plays with gut to a sense that DBs are afraid of him!
by MoLimits on Sep 28, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our schedual sux
the nfl hates us
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We certainly do not get any respect.....
this year we have yet to earn it!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 28, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not going so well
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football Basics
Matty,
Yes, we are running the ball and stopping the run, but the 3rd part of the equation is missing. Turnovers. We are the best in the league last year, we only forced 1 turnover this year and i believe we are at -4 or -5 already.
If we won’t fix this, and against this schedule, we will not win football games
by MoLimits on Sep 28, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 28, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who has better recievers? The Dolphins or the Canes? LOL. I think it's pretty close huh?
by JP 23 on Sep 28, 2009 10:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
no comment
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UM
give me some Laron Byrd, Travis Benjamin, Leonard Hankerson, and Aldarius Johnson… mmm.. Much better than Ginn and co, except maybe for Bess (who is our best WR imo)
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Canes!
Not going to get it done this year but national champs next year for sure!
by texascowpunk on Sep 29, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smiling Fins during losing effort
Is it just me or did you guys see JT and other fins smiling during the second half when they almost made a play. I would expect them to be pissed they didn’t make it…
by FinTime on Sep 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate being so neagtive with the Fins this year but....
after last year I expected so much more….I didn’t have superbowl thoughts or anything crazy like that…but I expected much better playing, less mistakes, a better “D”, & much more from our receiving corp….just goes to show we need a real playmaker or two at that position.
We look very sloppy, our QB situation is now up in the air (Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, even Kolby look miles ahead of Henne).
I do believe our Offensive line is looking very good (at times) & will only get better, Ronnie Brown is a powerhouse, Williams still looks good, receivers-where is the seperation or “Hands” – outside of Bess.
At this point a 500 season looks tough to achieve but it can happen…..looking for another high draft pick this year..question is will it be a receiver or QB???
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The secondary needs some change
I’m thinking we should start Davis and Smith at corner and put Will Allen at the nickelback. Say what you want but Allen has been a disappointment so far and Smith has been strong all year besides a couple of plays but they were still decent or good coverage and Davis needs to be given a shot already. Also, why is Nate Jones covering talented players when we have Tyrone Culver? Who in my mind has the potential to be a starter in the NFL and possibly with us if Gibril WIlson falls off. Thoughts??
by REV84 on Sep 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
our safeties stink
Will Allen isn’t playing great, but he isn’t getting any help from the safeties this year. Every time Will gets beat, the safeties are beat too. They are supposed to help him, not just look bad too. I’m really not happy with our signing of Gibril Wilson, Ronaldo played better than him last year hands down. Why didn’t we go after someone with more talent or experience like Bryan Dawkins. I hope we get one of the standout safeties coming in the draft like Eric Berry or Taylor Mays. Also, it seems like yeremiah bell has just lost it. Last couple years he’s done a tremendous job flying around and making plays… this year always seems to be a step behind. When madden 10 first came out this year i was wondering why he had such a crappy speed rating, now i see…
by phinfan Neal on Sep 28, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad it happened this way.
I was actually glad when I saw Chad Henne go in the game. Although i knew the only way we would win the game is if Chad Pennington was under center. I don’t hate Pennington, I’m actually very greatful with how he has played for us. If it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have been 11-5 and made the playoffs last year, but we all know eventually Chad Henne would have to start for us so we could evaluate if he’s our future or not. It’s makes me feel a lot better rooting for Henne knowing that he is the starter because Pennington is injured. I wasn’t expecting much from Henne when he was inserted in the game as the starter. I know he would play alright because he wouldn’t be in sync with his wide recievers, as I suppose he wasn’t getting to first team reps in practice. So to all the fans that say he played bad they have to account for this. We have a favorable match up for him againt the Bills this week. He should play better this week now that he’ll have to practice as the starter. I hope Henne becomes into the quarterback we all so greatfully desire. To all the people that wanted white to stay in I think your crazy. He would have been worse and the final would have been 26-3. He’s not ready to be a quarterback in the nfl. He may be a decent option for the wildcat, but I have yet to see if he’ll be able to.
Also I think we need new sport commentors because while I watched the game the thing I hated more then watching the dolphins breakdown was hearing the sports commentors. They would say stupid things and ramble and then stop talking and start rambling about something else. They also didn’t know that when Henne went in Pennington nor White could go back in the game. Things I think they should know.
by dolphins2010 on Sep 28, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another One
Chad Henne & Pat White are on the same level neither one has out played the next. With that being said Henne had more opportunities but still hasn’t proven anything. Yes Pat White is NFL ready, what makes you the expert that he’s not. Just because he uses his legs & his arm. I’d rather have that on this team b/c we have no playmaking receivers. So w/o it you know what’s gonna happen a sack or an interception, cause he’s gonna hold on to the ball to long or force it. Nuff said!
by Shinobi_Shogun on Sep 29, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do not just simply disagree
i am amazed that you can even write this.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who noticed??
Theres no way I am, but why is there NO passing threat to the wildcat anymore. I know Ronnie doesnt have the greatest of arms, but still…it seemed as if it works best when theres a CHANCE of a pass being thrown. Keep the corners honest, keep the safeties and even linebackers honest, and throw it once in a while. We all KNOW that when we are in wildcat this year, it is a run, whether it be Ricky or Ronnie. The Wildcat is still effective, but the element of surprise is gone I feel when they go into it. Feelings?
by captain flitzy on Sep 28, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I too have been waiting for the pass....
Maybe they are saving it for later in the season?
But seriously, gotta use what we have when we need it… our QB doesn’t even line up in the Cat anymore.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this, but put PW on the far side at WR, and have him run/fake the reverse to set up the pitch to PW pass play.
by Fr8Train on Sep 28, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like where your head is...
We might have ALOTTTT of experimental time the next 3 and half months
by captain flitzy on Sep 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Thats why i was surprised against Indy that all the Pat packages were simple handoffs. I thought they would just set that up for a potential Pat package with passing.
I think we will soon it very soon. We already 0-3, the coaching staff will take more risks now
by MoLimits on Sep 28, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
•We have got to get a kick returner who is a threat. It doesn't help our offense when every drive starts at the 25 yard line - or worse.
isn’t ginn that guy
by 604finsfan on Sep 28, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nope
Not anymore.. He doesn’t return kicks or punts… He was one of the best in college…. what the hell happened??
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by miami25 on Sep 28, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Front office doesn't want him to tire returning kicks/punts
ala Devin Hester….and instead have him focus on the position he was paid so well to play.
by Fr8Train on Sep 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like not catching balls that hit him in the hands or chest
I know he’s better than that but he needs to step it up…
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by miami25 on Sep 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the real reason is that
he is not good at returns. Period.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
thought I was the only one that noticed this.. This isn’t Madden folks, the guy with 99 speed isn’t the best KR.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just don't understand how you can watch Ginn try to return the ball as many times as we all have
and still have ANY idea that he might be a return man. the only way ginn gets a decent return is if the opposing coverage team all fall down.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't have said it better myself
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hester should only return kicks
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
I dont know whats wrong with having a guy that just returns kicks if hes bad ass at it. You can not replace the kind of extra yardage that a guy like Hester can get you. Wasnt he averaging over 40 yard per kick off return at some point. Thats huge!
by texascowpunk on Sep 28, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, he's an animal
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wake up and smell the Henne
1. Do not be surprised to see White at QB before this year is over. There is a reason Ireland/Parcells thought it was necessary to take a QB high again, and that reason is Henne. He better pull it together fast.
2. Pennington is probably done for his career. I tore my rotator cuff, and he looks exactly like I did when I tore it. Ice same place, arm held the same, plus he looks like he knows what the injury was. One way to get the injury is falling on your outstretched hand.
3. Ricky should be starting over Ronnie. He hits the hole harder.
4. 3-13 might be the record. Could be worse. Little chance its much better than 5-11.
by Sparcells on Sep 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This sucks
The team is much better than the 0-3 start, but to many missed opportunities. Like most have said we could be 3-0 or a worst 2-1. But what to do… little tweaks.
1.) They need to time the blitzes better. Everytime they blitz, the QB knows its coming and checks to a different play and we get exposed.
2.) Sick to the plan: If the Wild Cat is working then use it throughout the game. Also more of play action passes.
3.) Take more shots down field, esp next week let henne throw the ball, they need more big plays. I know they don’t have a big play WR, but niether is floyd and look what he did. 1 or 2 big plays a game can go along way.
4.) They need TD and not FGs. They can not win with FGs. Go for the TD on 4th down sometimes. The worst that can happen you pin them down inside the 10 yard line. Take a few pointers from the Pats…. Going for it on there own 24 line yards.
5.) Conservative play calling sucks…
6.) The WR NEED to catch the damn ball… this is getting crazy… It kills plays and momentum.
7.) Turnovers… We need to make them and not give them away.
This team is better than 0-3.. I know the schedule is a killer.. THey just need a few adjustments to start winning again.. I have faith it will happen, with or with out CP10.
Go fins……
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by miami25 on Sep 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what any of you are talking about...
… I am also enjoying my second day of blind drunkeness…
Damn team…
What team…
Pour me another buddy…
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by Alpha6 on Sep 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol im with alpha
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heya Matty!
I am not negative! =)
I am sorry we lost but I was thrilled to see Henne play, and the only real thing that he did, that annoyed me was that pick that the CB jumped the route on. I remember all too well that AJ Feeley days of him staring down receivers on that same damn route.
But one is not a pattern. So we’ll see if he can get it corrected. However, the rest of the challenges I saw for him out there would be alleviated substantially by practicing a solid with with all the "1s". His cadence was unfamiliar to the linemen and resulted in everyone being a little out of sync. And they also don’t know his tendencies and timing, when avoiding the rush. the line flat out blew a couple of assignments that resulted in pressure, but most of the problems will get resolved from Henne and the O-line having a chance to work together.
Also, the thing with the WRs, Ginn should have caught those balls, but it was obvious to me that the WRs were not prepared for the difference in the QBs passes. It looked like Henne just throws it harder and may need to work on "touch". But having the WRs work with Henne in practice should help those issues as well.
That being said, I place the Blame for not getting Henne ready squarely on the coaching staff, and am a little worried by what appears to be “lack of focus” by them. They’ve got the WC, and the new Pat White plan, and rotating CBs, and cutesy play calling. It is time to get back to basics. The WC works, leave it in. But if you want to work White into the QB rotation, let him get some time during garbage time. And like you said, when the run game is working, why would you go away from it? We were ahead in this game up until 2:00 mins to go in the 3rd.
IMO, this was another winnable game. We had some bad luck, like the fumble at the end of the 1st drive, but if the D shutsdown SDs passing game, we still win.
But I am excited today, because I will get to see Henne play and am pretty sure he will improve, after getting all the 1st team snaps this week. And even if he doesn’t, over the next few weeks we will start to answer the biggest question to the biggest obstacle standing in the way of a Fins return to the SB…. “Who is the next franchise QB?”.
Oh, and BTW, it’s time to activate Turner. If his problem is separation at this level, Henne’s arm will help. And he and Henne seemed to have some chemistry in preseason, so I say get him in there. Our second biggest question we are going to have to answer is, “Who is going to be our #1 WR?”. I don’t think he’s on the roster yet, but let’s give Turner a chance to show what he’s got.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with basically everything you said..
especially the lack of prep for the backup. One thing I disagree with, is if we are going to go full out with Henne as the QB of the future, garbage time is where he is going to have to learn this year, not Pat White. I think White should be there for those “cutesy” (lol) plays and variances of the WC, but let Henne play as many snaps as possible as long as he is “going to the be guy.”
by captain flitzy on Sep 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like Henne just throws it harder and may need to work on "touch"
Make up your mind, do you want the QB to “zip it in there”, or do you want him to work on touch…. :)
by Fr8Train on Sep 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as much as i generally agree with your logic in your posts...
THIS one makes NO sense. =)
Every successful QB has to have the ability to “Zip it in there” when needed, but make it as easy for a receiving target as possible.
If a ball doesn’t need to be fired and can be tossed, like that one little swing pass yesterday, so much the better. A WR has to be able to catch the heaters, but that doesn’t mean the QB has to bring the heat on every pass. Elway did that in his early years, but he became really successful when learned to throw the ball only as hard as it needs to be throw on any given play.
Right?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Lefty!
I could not agree more. Turner and Clemons should be activated. I guess its too late to let Bell, Will Allen, AND Gibril WIlson go? Well at least lets take a look at what we have with our young guys. With Pennington out thats an extra spot that Turner can take.
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by AussieKen on Sep 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think bell is a solid SS.
Wilson may be as well, but we need to get better at FS.
Will Allen can play nickleback.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
WA just can’t stay with the top notch WR’s anymore. Said this in another post, let him cover the “quick but not fast” slot guys
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, i saw it.
but i said it here first.
B)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you win this round...
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
samory
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eventually your going to have to start reading something or your just going to be lost.
by texascowpunk on Sep 28, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read medics whole post
im very proud
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was fantastic!
Thanks
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by SunDolphin on Sep 28, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what...I'll say it
even though it was one game, not even a full game, I’m not confidant with Henne. The preseason showed me enough, this game didn’t prove anything I didn’t already assume.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 28, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think he will be okay.
you have to remember, in spite of all the spin, he really did not get a lot of first team work on the offseason. Henne needs to work on timing with the entire first team, including the D, who will give him a better feel for things like looking off the S.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LeftCoast
You’re making excuses for Henne that you won’t make for White. And Henne has been with the team for a year now. I’m not for nor against anyone but be fair now!
by Shinobi_Shogun on Sep 29, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SS
i really don’t understand you. =)
or at least i don’t understand your point of view.
1st off, what does White have to do with it? I hope White will develop, but right now he looks as out of place in an NFL game as 99% of any college kids you might choose to stick in there. But seriously, are you suggesting that we put White in as the QB instead of Henne?
2ndly, what excuses? and why would i want to make excuses for white? Dude, do you really think that this coaching staff has focused on getting Henne ready? I don’t. Now they will, because they have to. And are you seriously trying to say that the lack of preparation is NOT REALLY an issue? That because he has been with the team for a year now, that he should not have to develop chemistry with the guys he is playing with? Or do you think he should already have this synergy with the team because he has been sitting in the same team meetings?
Come on man, explain yourself please, because i have no idea what you are thinking when you say that i am making excuses for Henne that I won’t make for White.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
yeah not having the practice to prepare doesn’t matter at all, I mean, you don’t practice between games in Madden do you? Do you?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU WANT ANSWERS!
You can’t handle the truth! Take that with your damn Foosball, lol.
by Shinobi_Shogun on Sep 29, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOOSBALL IS THE DEVIL!
Mama say so.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have my doubts too
but he has talnent
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you D.I.B.
I agree dolphinsinbuffalo. People on this site want to look at the way Henne drove down the field and allowed us to score. HELLO, the game was over, the chargers defense wasn’t even trying hard to stop us on that drive.
by Shinobi_Shogun on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't stop never ever believing
Phinsider Dudes. Let’s stay with it. What’s the worst? We win 2 vs Jets. Let’s think how big it can be. Henne, Sanchez, Edwards. It’s like ’83 all over again.
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by Corroncho on Sep 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha hope so
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by samdaman on Sep 28, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else wonders if Denver is willing to trade Brandon Marshall?
At this point, as long as our WR’s continue to be this ineffective (especially no hands Ginn), I think it’s the only way we turn things around because as long as our WR’s continue to do little, it won’t matter how good Henne or the Wildcat or our defense is. Seriously, their’s still time.
by ROCFinsfan on Sep 28, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd be way okay with that trade....
off the field problems or not…I couldn’t care less as long as we’re getting the W on Sunday.
If they are going to let Vick, Burress, etc back in the league….I’ll just deal with the fact that felons might make great players.
by Fr8Train on Sep 28, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st Half
Yeah the Fins lost this game in the 1st half. Should have been 14-3 after two. It was really discouraging to see them eat the Chargers up on that 1st drive only to come away with no points.
The pass D continues to give up too many big plays, but they’re still young so there’s plenty of room for improvement. I thought the pass rush would have been better this year with Taylor back, but so far I haven’t been impressed.
Too bad about Pennington. I feel bad for him. He’s a class act, and a hard worker. His playing career is probably over, but I definitely think he has a future as a coach.
by JTRAD on Sep 28, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agree with everything you said
especially the pass rush being disappointing.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honorary Assassin has returned!
We need to activate Patrick Turner. I don’t wanna hear anymore about he’s not ready. As far as it looks none these receivers look ready. Why not have a six foot five one out there. Secondly I feel if Henne starts to struggle we should put in Pat White and let him run the spread offense, it would be much more effective. Because honestly Henne has a strong arm w/no mobility, and we don’t have playmaking receivers, we have possession receivers, except for P Turner who I yet to see play. And please don’t say Ginn, he’s too busy ready to talk trash after making a play, than first making the damn play. The Spread offense will put P White & R Brown in the back field. Making defenders have to worry about the run from QB or RB and the pass. And don’t say Pat White is not good b/c in pre-season he only got like 3 series of play. Henne got more than that and a year experience at backup & he still didn’t look good. It’s time we add another wrinkle in this offense like we did with the wildcat last year, at least it will defenses off balance.
by Shinobi_Shogun on Sep 29, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pat White is not ready.
Neither is Henne, but he is much closer and needs to play to develop.
I agree about Turner.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Henne IMO is the better QB
Pat White is a better athlete, but tiny, run-first, option QB’s don’t take teams to the Super Bowl. Especially ones with accuracy issues. I think Henne has a much better chance at being successful in this league. I just don’t see the appeal of Pat White at QB, he has the skill set of a slot WR.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 29, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nick, i think its safe to say we will not agree on white
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by samdaman on Sep 29, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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