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Dolphins vs Chargers: Three Key Matchups

Priority #1 for the Dolphins - contain this man!

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Priority #1 for the Dolphins - contain this man!

For the second week in a row, the Dolphins lost two of the three key matchups that I highlighted in this segment - and the end result of each game was a loss.  On Monday night, the Dolphins lost the "Dallas Clark vs Gibril Wilson/Yeremiah Bell" matchup and the "Dolphins pass rush vs Colts offensive line" matchup - and in the process, lost the game.

As they now travel west to San Diego on short rest to take on a Chargers team that is also coming off of a tough loss, here are the three key matchups, in my opinion.  Be sure to share your thoughts below as well.

Antonio Gates vs Everybody
On Monday night ,we saw four different players fail to cover Dallas Clark - as Clark went off for 180 yards receiving and a touchdown.  Channing Crowder, Akin Ayodele, Yeremiah Bell, and Gibril Wilson all had their shots and all failed.  Just a week earlier, the Dolphins also failed to contain Tony Gonzalez - as he made big play after big play for the Falcons.  And, of course, we saw the Dolphins struggle all preseason in covering opposing tight ends.  So this is now officially a recurring problem that needs a solution fast.

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that Tony Sparano made it a point to tell the media that they didn't use the same gameplan for defending Gonzalez and they did Clark.  And there will be a different one yet to defend Antonio Gates.  Hopefully the Dolphins can go back to what worked so well last year.  If you remember, the Dolphins did an outstanding job on Gates in their week 5 meeting last season, with Gates being held to just 1 catch for 12 yards.  That game saw Yeremiah Bell defending Gates most of the time.  I'd imagine we'll see something similar, at least, to start off.

If Bell can't handle him, though, I think you need to go to more drastic measures.  That's why I labeled this as "Gates vs Everybody."  One of the ideas that has been kicked around my you all has been to replace a linebacker on the field with Vontae Davis in passing situations and let Vontae cover Gates.  Truth be told, I love that idea and would be all for it if Bell can't be as effective as he was last year covering Gates.  Either way, though, something has to be done to ensure the opposing tight end doesn't simply walk all over this defense yet again.

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Dolphins offensive line vs Chargers defensive line
The biggest positive that came out of Monday night's loss was just how dominant Miami's running game was.  The Dolphins ran for 239 yards on 49 rushing plays.  Up front, Miami's expensive offensive line actually played up to their salaries, physically dominating the Colts' defensive line.  They blew them off the ball time and time again and rarely let a Colts defender into the backfield.  On 49 rushing attempts, only one was for negative yardage.  On the flip side, 12 of those 49 attempts - or nearly a quarter of Miami's rushing attempts - went for at least 7 yards.

That again will be the key formula this week for the Dolphins to pull off the upset.  Miami's offensive line must again dominate and provide Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams some running lanes.  Last year against San Diego, the Dolphins were able to do just that - with Brown and Williams combining for 164 yards rushing on 36 carries.  And that was with the Chargers having their monster nose tackle Jamal Williams.  But Williams was placed on Injured Reserve last week and the Chargers continue to look for his replacement.  Whoever it is, though, the Chargers will not be able to physically replace the 348 pound monster in the middle that was Williams.

So far through two games, the Chargers are 24th in the league in rush defense, allowing 139 yards per game.  On the flip side, San Diego is allowing less than 200 passing yards per game.  So for the Dolphins, the ground game will again be critical.  And that all starts up front with the "big uglies."

Darren Sproles vs Dolphins coverage units
This one might come as a surprise, but that's how important it will be to contain Darren Sproles on kick and punt returns.  He's as talented as they come and can change the momentum of a football game in a matter of seconds.

Last season, Sproles was one of the best return men in the NFL.  And in 2009, he has looked even better.  He leads the league in average yards per kick return, averaging 33.1 yards per return.  Of his 9 kick returns, 6 have gone for at least 20 yards and 3 have gone for at least 40 yards - with a long of 66 yards.  To put that into perspective, the league leader in number of kick returns over 40 yards last year had nine the entire season.  Through two weeks, Sproles already has three.

Meanwhile, the Dolphins kick coverage has looked better recently than in the past.  Against the Colts last week, the Dolphins held Chad Simpson to an average of just 18 yards per kick return, which is impressive when you consider the fact that Simpson averaged 27 yards per return against Jacksonville in week one.

On Sunday, the Dolphins have got not let Darren Sproles shrink the field for the Chargers.  After all, they have enough offensive weapons as it is without handing them great starting field position.

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Three times the charm!

It’s time for us to show our strength’s.

The O line pushes (hence RnR machine excels).
The safeties communicate (finally!).
Our ILB’s play like ILB’s dammit (Akin, your hurt, step off the field)!

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what up flip

We gotta get a replacement for akin already

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 12:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

you becha! we need the ilb covered!

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so what we gonna do bro

we gotta make a trade akin just aint good enough

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully Folsom

can be that guy which is why I want ZT to be our LB coach that will definately help our young rookie progress into starter material and wouldnt hurt Crowder

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DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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by kewlguy on Sep 24, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thers nothing like learning at the feet of the master

OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
"if something goes bad, I did it. If something goes semi-good, we did it. If something goes good, you did it. Thats all you need to do for guys to win football games for you."- Unknown

by kewlguy on Sep 24, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Folsom too... I wish he'd be that kind of Linebacker..!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Folsom ain't gonna be the guy sorry

he was drafted to be a wedge-buster and proved he’s not even good enough to make the team as that

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

You all knew I was gonna throw this out, but sometimes I just like to hear myself talk anyways, so…….BRING BACK ZACH THOMAS!! Think how much he could still teach a guy like Channing how to play the middle….could also take folsom under his wing. He might not have all the physical skills anymore, but he is one of the most football intelligent defenders that you could find.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look, ZT was great.....

but the only thing he’s teaching people on the field right now is how to take Tylenol for migraines, and how to get past the “black outs”.

He was an elite MLB in his time, but that time is several years past…..

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

What part of this on my post did you miss

“He might not have all the physical skills anymore, but he is one of the most football intelligent defenders that you could find.”
I never said Zach could cover Gates or any other TE for that matter. I am saying the phinz need some mental aspects from one of the greatest defensive minds the phinz have ever seen. Look at what good coaching can do to medicore players/teams….case and point the 07 phinz vs the 08 phinz. Need I say more?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh you want him to coach....missed that.

Maybe we can bring back all of the elite players from our History as position coaches……around a campfire…..with smores.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only the intelligent ones :P

Marino, stay home.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wanna see wake on the active list

And start blitzing some defensive backs already

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 12:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered about Wake while watching the game Monday night

thinking that if he were active that we may actually be able to use him to get some pressure on Manning. It sure could not have gone any worse.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes!

i predict 3 picks and 6 sacks.
and -10 rushing yards againt

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What r u SMOKING ???

If that happens… I’ll eat a Dolpin… lmfao.

by BoltMan21 on Sep 24, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nose to tail?

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could happen.

Not likely but it could happen. Hell based on your prediction I think I’ll play the lottery this week seeing as anything can happen.

by texascowpunk on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the vontae taking gates was my idea

Hes a better cover guy then the safeties and just as physical

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 12:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think you are/were on to something.

Hes big, physical and keep up with a quick TE better than our LB’s.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering???

Are we struggling against Receiver-like TE’s because we really don’t have any to practice against? I mean Nalbone would’ve been the closest to work with and he’s a rookie so can’t expect him to make the same moves as Clark, or Gonzo. Hopefully 2 punches to the mouth has woke us up on Defense…

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by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea.

It was a problem all through preseason as well. I hope your right because the NFL is loaded right now with a bunch of great pass recieving TE’s and it seems as if were going to see more than our fair share this season. I can almost excuse an blown coverage here and there by one of the rookies but all these missed tackles are killing me. There is no excuse for it.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what i mean dude put vontaeon them hes fast can cover and hes our most physical corner

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

true story dude lol

Think is the 1st time we met im assuming your from texas i live in jersey nice to meet you

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Good to meet you sir.

Yes I’m in Denton Texas about 45 min north of Dallas.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool im in 2 religous jewish college in edison new jersey

Im the lone dolphin fan in my school full of jet fans and they have been pissing me off

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 2:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I know how that goes. I have to live with hordes of Cowboy fans.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes...

but on running plays he would get manhandled by bigger TE’s, meaning that RB’s would be able to get to the corner or right by Vontae all together.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, i like it

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cornerback Coverage on TE

I brought it up last week the day after Atl. game. Our inside backer can’t do it.

by FinFanFromCA on Sep 24, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we all got the same basic idea

Lets hope the coaches see the same thing and actually fix the problem

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think if anything if we can at least get some kind of bump on Gates coming off the line and with Bell covering him I think we could shut him down.

Just like with Peyton you have to dirupt that Rythm and timing some how. You have five yards to work with and I believe the same thing would work well with Jackson. Let’s not forget about him.

by D0lphins4Life on Sep 24, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was wondering about that why dont you ever see a tight end get jammed up at the line ?

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Because

The guy across from him is usually trying to rush the QB.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure we did.

Porter had a sack! There weren’t enough downs for them to rack up their stats.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One wasn't enough

Yeah we got one sack, but honestly to throw off Manning, you need someone planting him on his ass every other play. He starts getting “Happy Feet” after about the 4th good hit, then his passes start sailing high which can result in the good ole INT.

Now Rivers is good, but he is no Manning and I think he is definitely more “Sackable”. The Chargers are having lots of issues with their O-line so I really expect to see JT and JP have big games. Don’t be surprised to see in interior D-line get into the sack stats.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asking for a knockdown

50% of the plays is one hell of a tall order. That’s not going to happen against the worst offensive line, considering most teams like to use RBs at some point.

Indianapolis only ran 34 plays. 23 of which were pass plays. Removing all the screen passes where Manning dumped it off immediately, there simply weren’t any opportunities for a pass rush to hit him.

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by joel311 on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An expression

I know that it’s tough to knock him down ever other play literally, it was meant more to express we need serious pressure. The Dolphins used to wear Brady out which was why we had success against the Pats when we were bad. The only way you are going to stop Manning is by constant pressure. Break up the timing and make him dance.

Agreed we didn’t have a lot of chances but if we can’t cover someone we have to do the alternative which is pressure the passer. We have to do a better job than we did in the first two games when we play the Chargers or it is going to be another long day on defense.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither can our safties

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think Ginn is gonna have a big game

I think he has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to prove himself

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by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see it.

Its like you see flashes from him and then he dissapears. He needs to be much more consistant.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With his number of targets in the end zone last week,

I am starting him as a flex player this week.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last year they took him outta the game alot

this year he is out there every down

OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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by kewlguy on Sep 24, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hope so

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough matchup

I don’t know that Ginn will have a good game. He has a tough matchup if he draws Cromartie. Cromartie is big and fast and really plays the ball well. CP can’t float any with him around. I would love to be wrong but I think our success will come from the slot receiver and the TE in the deep middle.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think Ginn is gonna have a big game

I think he has a big chip on his shoulder and wants to prove himself

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 24, 2009 1:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

He had 7 catches and was targeted like 12 times...

I think he has improved a lot…

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He actually had 11..for over 100 yrds...

Just saying….thats much improved…BUt he definitely needs to stay consistent

by Ham420 on Sep 24, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the stat line doesn't say.....

is that we were crushing them in Rushing Yards, so they had to take a coverage man and put him in the box to help against the Rush.

Ginn had soft coverage on him for most of the game, so a quick out route, a curl or a hook he was going to have a very good chance of being open.

Against the Falcons they were containing our Rushing game with just the DLine, so they could keep that extra person in coverage…and what happened. Ginn disappeared.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want Ginn to not only have to wait on CP10's lobs,

but also do it and out muscle 2 DBs at the same time? Ginn’s speed can burn multiple people, but his size cannot. Ginn will never be able to beat double coverage with Pennington—it is what it is.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats an old tired argument...

The way to beat Double Coverage is not to out run them….its to get in and out of your cuts fast, and create the separation there.

MOST deep balls are pretty much lobs anyway, whether it be from Brett Fav-rah to Jay Cutler….you expect your big physical receiver to go up and grab the ball, and get better position. Ginn lacks not only the size but ability to do that.

If Ginn could get in and out of his breaks quicker, CP10 would hit him easily, and then Ginn could run away from the pursuit.

We know CP10 doesn’t have a super-long bomb. But, he can throw 20-40 yards without issue. If Ginn can’t find separation between 20-40 yards out, then he’s not going to find it 40-60 yards out either.

Keep in mind, when we talk about elite QB’s in the league, we don’t talk about how far they can throw the ball, but how quick they release and get it out of their hands.

In the entire 2008 Regular Season, only 10 teams that had more passes over 40 yards than us. CP10 beat out the likes of (P. Manning, J. Cutler, B. Favre, B. Roethlisberger, M Cassel (throwing to Moss even), and tied Matt Schaub.

In the 2008 Season, Pennington was tied for 8th in Yards per Attempt.

Before you say Ginn caught and ran after the pass…his average Yards after the catch was 3.6 yards….. so thats not the case.

Complain about Pennington’s arm all you want, but he was a top 10 deep ball throwing, and a Top 8 QB in Yards per attempt.

I’m not saying he should be around forever, I’m not saying we can’t upgrade at QB, but all this nonsense about his arm is ridiculous, unfounded, based in large part in what everyone “heard” about him after his Labrum surgery in New York.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

marry me?

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd also...

Someone else give him some green love, best explanation of CP10 and Ginn that I’ve seen in a while…

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would.. but

i don’t agree with it. =)

i know CP can throw 40 yds, and i have seen all the stats from last year. none of it changes the fact that he can not
get the ball there quickly, without a lot of air under it. so take out the few opporunities where a guy throws the ball 10-15
yds, and it turns onto a 40 yd catch and run, and the only way he can make a 40 yd completion through the air is a
flea flicker, or broken coverage, where there is no DB close enough to close on the ball while it is in the air.

Or, if Ginn is able to get behind the coverage early enough that CP can still get it there before Ginn out runs it.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo bango.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your logic, but....

Explain to me how if his arm is so bad, and delivery so slow, he out threw the majority of the league, including the big name rocket cannon QB’s like Manning/Cutler/Favre etc….

Especially when our Receivers are getting less than 4 YAC? We didn’t throw that many flea flicker bombs last year, and yet our receivers, who can’t create separation are still getting more passes of that length than half the league.

If he could get the ball there faster, then your saying that our speedy receivers have enough separation to just run away, and he’d move up a few more spots? Possible, but doubtful. Given the fact that other QB’s with bigger and badder arms, and better WR talent than ours still produced less “deep” passes…..it doesn’t hold up.

Now, if you want to argue we might get a few more yards out of a bubble screen, or a slant route, maybe I’ll give that to you. But in a deep route, typically the safety has already drifted over to cover the deep ball, and unless you have a big physical elite receiver type threat, you get tackled as soon as you catch the ball…..we have no such threat.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TEs

Alot of our deep throws came from the TE last year. We were great at exploiting the deep middle portion of the field. That comes from the teams cheating towards Ginn’s side due to his speed. We tried the deep middle against the colts on one occassion but the ball was dropped. Granted Pennington doesn’t do well on the “Go” routes but he can kill a team with his deep touch passes in the middle.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, as long as the receiver is WIDE open.

most FSs have the closing speed to get to his passes that have to travel more than 20-25 yds.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hitting them in the zone

That’s why the QB has to know where to throw it. The deep middle is successful because you either hit them “inbetween” the different zones or they get behind the safety because the safety bite on a play fake, pump fake, or possibly a go route on the outsider receiver. Timing is the key to success, along with being able to read the defender (specifically LBs and Safefty).

True, if the safety doesn’t bite then he is usually in position to close on most TEs in the NFL or he has the speed to close.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

my only point is that velocity is what lets QBs “stick em in there” when the coverage it tight. CP can not do this.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am saying that CP is accurate

and if the WRs are excellent, and can get the type of separation you are talking about, CP can get them the ball
and i don’t know what you mean by “out threw”. manning and cutler had more yds; all three had more TDs
All three also had more completions. I hardly think that means CP “out threw” them.

CP had a better comp %, which you will get when you throw a lot of short passes.

and BTW, don’t even bother with yd/att… IMO, that is one of the dumbest metrics you can look at.
“oh, i meant that attempt to be a 30 yd completion, but i accidentally threw it out the back of the end zone”

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is talking about

Average yard per attempt. Which isn’t necessarily an accurate or inaccurate measurement…guess it depends on how you are looking at it. It doesn’t mean he threw for more yards total, it means that due to his higher completion percentage (and 4 or 5 percent is a lot when you are talking about 500 passes) that when you divide Pennington and Mannings yards by attempts, Pennington’s was higher (assuming the facts were correct). I remember reading an article where the author was talking about how high Pennington was on that list, I just can’t remember if he was higher than Manning, but I wouldn’t doubt it. There were some surprising names on the list that CP was in front of.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, i understand how that works.

it is not “yds/completion”, it is “yds/attempt”, and that is why i wrote this:

BTW, don’t even bother with yd/att… IMO, that is one of the dumbest metrics you can look at.
"oh, i meant that attempt to be a 30 yd completion, but i accidentally threw it out the back of the end zone"

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's not how yds/attempt works

you take the total yards, and divide them by the attempts instead of completions.. it shows how efficient a QB is in getting his yards, and it separates a guy who throws for 300 on 30-50 and a guy who does it on 20-27. Of course, you could just look at the total yards and the comp% to get a basic idea, but this is one handy-dandy number for all of that :-)

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 25, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

c’mon man, don’t spoil my fun!

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:) I knew there was a reason

I felt the urge to ReCheck this thread lol.

I think your math/logic is some new age huey….

I quote the immortal Socrates, who said, “I Drank What?”

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pre-season

I really think you underestimate CP. His arm strength has looked better this year than any time in the past 5 years. He had a 50 yard throw, in stride, to Brian Hartline in the preseason. He threw 2 great balls to Ginn (short armed) and Fasano (dropped) against the Colts. I think most of the problem with our deep passing game is poor route running. Ginn is getting better, but really look at our receivers against other teams receivers. Why do most of the teams we play have no problem getting separation while it seems that most of our guys are “blanketed”. Simple, like Fr8train said….route running. Ginn doesn’t get into and out of his cuts quickly enough. Our other receivers do get in and out quickly which creates that space but they are slow which allows the defender to close.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you...

Getting in and out of your cuts is what makes a smaller receiver, a great receiver.

See Steve Smith, and Jerry Rice.

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a valid argument.

There’s a difference between a deep lob that hits Ginn in stride and one that he has to turn around and come back for. His speed is worthless there because Pennington can’t fire it fast enough.

As for shorter passes over the middle, Pennington cannot lead Ginn fast enough. He just can’t fire the high-speed bullet, whether you want to accept it or not, so once again DBs have more time to close on Ginn before the catch.

Comparing Ginn to big physical receivers is the tired argument. Why don’t you compare him to someone small and fast? He is more suited to be like Marvin Harrison than Terrell Owens. You throw your ball up to the big receivers, not the little guys.

Ginn is simply not meant to fight for the ball, he’s meant to get past defenders over the top, or get the ball with enough running room to actually make a move.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also,

those deep balls went to David Martin and Patrick Cobbs. Two very big guys who can fight for the ball, not our receivers.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobbs is 5'8

he’s not going up for anything

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 24, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then just Martin :P

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like.... Vincent Jackson???

The Chargers have loads of “very big guys” who can fight for the ball… might be TROUBLE !!!

by BoltMan21 on Sep 24, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet he could during training camp tho

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah, during camp yeah,

but not in a real game, ya know, that;s what I’m sayin, eh?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I got ya brohampster.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's just wrong

Chris was good to us for several years! He was one of our few playmakers back in the Fiedler era.

But you are right, he has gone basically MIA the last 8 games for the Chargers.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have your opinion, and i respect that

mine is (and i also watched all the games, so it also has some merit) is that Chambers could make some incredible catches, and then drop the easy 3rd down catch. the problem with that is that you can not build an offense around a guy that “might” make the important catch. Chambers was way too inconsistent to be considered “good”.
imo

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

He did miss a lot of easy catches….kind of like T.O. does, but he was the best WR we had in Miami for a while….not really sure how far I would have to go back to find one better. I think he was better than Ginn though and given the choice I would take the old Chambers (not the one that doesn’t do much in SD now) over Ginn or most of the WRs we have had since he left.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think thats my first Rec :) Whooo Hooo!

(Pops cork on Champagne, calls hookers)

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to ruin the party

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very tru

just save me a hooker

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rec'd also...

Someone else give him some green love, best explanation of CP10 and Ginn that I’ve seen in a while…
(sorry replied to the wrong comment earlier)

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by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is know

I was just correcting the 7 catch stat lol.

by Ham420 on Sep 24, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I was very impressed with Ginn on Monday Night. Constant separation from the defenders and caught the ball well (with the exception of the 2 infamous plays). The one thing he needs to improve on is not curling up into a fetal position everytime he catches it…plays a little too scared still.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

secondary what secondary

The dolphins secondary is going to cost us game 3 if they don’t pull it together they can’t cover they can’t tackle they are supposed to have 2 hard hitting sure tackling safeties well where are they dallas clark ate them alive this week they face gates they have something to prove this week

The jets suck

by therocker39 on Sep 24, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we have a period

That was a tough read…lol.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

I was hoping that you would have taken that in a different direction LCFF. I was gonna say, well, you know………… LOL.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the Gladiator period... ;-]

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no "time of the month" jokes

that’s a painful subject for a married man.

;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol im sure that time of the month's not great 4 u either

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol thanks for that pleasent thaught

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no prob sam. Anything for you!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw, were have ya been?

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

work

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhh that sux

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn you super dot

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not an issue anymore

Thanks to a Hysterectomy I don’t have to deal with that issue anymore. THATs a GOOD thing!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you had a hysterectomy?

and all this time, i thought you were a guy! my bad!
=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Go back and read, the comment was ask your wife/GF. My statement was I don’t have to deal with the ole PMS monster in HER anymore. But that was a good one, I figured someone would say it, just didn’t think it would be you brother…..or is it sister? ;)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

couldn’t help it. =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

nicely played lefty

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

therocker39, u r blind?

I beleive the secondary tackle one of our own CBs in one play ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was crowder

almost knocking out Jones

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by kewlguy on Sep 24, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Love

Listen up my friends. This has been my team since there inception in ‘65. Thanks Dad. I’ve been thru every up and down. This team is better than I had hoped but still has some way to go. Try and give some love this team is on there way up so act that way. It’s not today (on the top) but soon. So calm down and love the team you have, Love from the bottom up.

by GREGS on Sep 24, 2009 5:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who let this hippy in here?

LOL just playin’ man. I don’t think there’s a player on the team that I dislike (Wilson is just on my bad side right now).

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the way you think....

… I enjoy loving from the bottom up.

… peace, love and the Dolphins!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, RunRickyRun has it trademarked!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is?

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is!

If your a fan of Mr. Show then you will reconize it. Its a David Cross movie.

http://www.ronniedobbs.com/

by texascowpunk on Sep 25, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will not see it

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol based on the video

maybe i’ll see it

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love stupid humor

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by samdaman on Sep 26, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome

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by samdaman on Sep 26, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yepper

I agree and also disagree with your statements. BUT, I will give you the thumbs up since you have a kick-a$$ GTO as your pick. Kudos my friend!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chargers Strength

On Offense, San Diego will focus in 3 ways:

- Deep balls to V.Jackson. He has done very well late last season and early this season (already 2 TDs), and has good touch with Rivers. This opens the running game and shorter lanes. I wouldn’t mind putting Smith on him in man coverage as they will shoot for our safties, but its a touch match-up.

- Middle with Gates, which they will do more after watching tape of how poorly we defense Clarke.

- Getting Sproles in open space. They will run up the gut a few times but watch for the screen passes. Sproles is a killer to tackle (something we have shown issues with), and it will keep our OLBs at bay and give Rivers more time.

On Defense:

- They have serious front 7 issues with their NT out and Merriman in poor form. However, they have excellent corners. Be sure they will play 8 men in the box all game long and won’t worry about man coverage. We need nullify this by passing more on 2nd down underneath, mainly to Fasano and get Bess/Hartline more in the game, to open up their defense a bit. If we rush on 1st and 2nd everytime, even with Wildcat, they will be more ready then Colts.

- Finally, we need to simply be more aggressive in play calling, something i really hope TS learned last week.

Go Fins!

by MoLimits on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Spot on

I think that I posted something like this on a couple of the other posts. All three issues you brought up on defense is where I hope that Sparano and the DC are concentrating. Sproles scares the hell out of me in space and he has the potential to turn every screen pass into my worst nightmare!

I am very interested in the the V. Jackson vs Sean Smith. Size on size and it will go a long ways in the building process of Smith as a great cover corner.

I would also really like to see the OC get Brown more involved in the passing game. He is extremely underrated as a pass catching RB. That will also give the Charger LBs more to think about.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pass Rush

Forgot to mention, the no-huddle meant Jason Taylor was on the pitch almost always, and he didn’t even have a single tackle.

I really hope Sparano makes better use now that we can change personal. Wake should see more plays, and use Taylor more effecivly

by MoLimits on Sep 24, 2009 7:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

D-Turnovers

I think another key would be to create some defensive turnovers…Unless im mistaken I dont believe we’ve even had one this year….That needs to change.

by Ham420 on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another knock on Gibril,

he missed a sure INT. It was still a good play by him though.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, but..

we could also say the same about Sean Smith and Nate Jones. Didnt the one hit Jones in the chest and the other hit Smith in the back?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Camarillo shoulda been out there to catch one with his ass...

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think getting hit in the back is the same as having it in your hands

and dropping it :P

Getting hit in the back just means he was too busy playing suffocating coverage to make a peek at the QB.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How are the Phins going to cover Sproles on pass plays?

That’s the 4th key to the game, IMO. I am not that concerned about SD’s running game, but that doesn’t mean that the RB’s can’t hurt the Phins. If the Phins LB’s are covering Sproles in the passing game, it could be a long day for the Defense. Sproles in space against Akin or Channing scares the shit out of me!

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no worries!

according to many people on here, you don’t need to worry about the D. We just have to rely in the O to win a shootout.

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Phins offense is built to win shootouts!

But I will say this, the phins better get used to the idea of scoring 24 or more points. I don’t see many defensive, low scoring games on the horizon.

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, good points!

I guess we’ll have to just get a whole new offense then! Why make a couple adjustments on defense when you can just fire the entire offensive side of the ball for not being able to keep up? Defense is overrated.

x_x

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess i shoulda use the sarcasm box, huh?

I just figured people around here were smart enough to know sarcasm when they read it

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I are

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boxes are inherently complicated.

Have you ever tried to close one without tape? WTF, it’s not possible!

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

boxes huh?

i’m usually trying to get them open.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah so that's what I've been doing wrong

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or she turns out not to have a box at all.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice and I wonder how I didn’t recognize Rz in the first place!

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

and Ew Ew Ew!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol nasty

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good thing you are not having to rely on your run game, huh?

LTs crippled, and you lost your center?

that sux.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOFLZ

rec’d

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what? I'm serious!

i feel bad for him.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

  =)

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm worried worried about Sproles and Gates then I am worried about Chambers and Jackson

Our CBs have actually played well the past 2 weeks, its the safety play that has killed us.

But yeah putting Vontae on Gates could be a good idea, hell some were thinking that we should have put Vontae on Clark last week.

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 24, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Denver would use Champ Bailey to cover Tony Gonzalez when he was on the Chiefs

Why can’t the Phins use a CB to cover a TE? I hope they do.

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

Maybe put Smith on him, let Vontae cover Jackson (because he’s physical and won’t get pushed around) and Will Allen on Chambers? Gates is clearly their go-to guy, so we should put our best cover guy on him.

However, I still like the idea of putting JT and YBell in bracket coverage on Gates and letting Smith matchup with the 6’5 Jackson. Only real concern this week is who picks up LT or Sproles out of the backfield, since I do have confidence in our coaches to solve this TE issue. Hell, we’ve thrown out 3 or 4 pretty good ideas (IMO) on this blog since Monday’s game, I’m sure they’re either thinking the same things, or have a better plan. But who guards the RB when he comes out of the backfield? If it’s Crowder’s job, we’re up shit’s creek. Might need to play nickel, get Akin off the field, bracket Gates with JT/Bell, and let Vontae pick up the back/play robber if the back stays in… We got the athletes to win these kinds of matchups, we just haven’t put the right guys in the right places

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on this

I am not afraid of SD’s running game. I know they have Tomlinson, but they are now built around the passing game. With that being said, start the game in a nickle package. Force SD to try an establish the run. I don’t think they can.

If the phins line up with Allen and Smith on the outside, Davis as the nickle, Wilson as the FS and Bell as the SS, I think that they run defense won’t be affected too much at all. Davis, Wilson, and Bell support the run well, so try it. It can’t be any worse than what we have seen the last two weeks.

by ct1361 on Sep 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

we have 2 safeties that are supposed to be great in run support, step one of em into the box on each play and now our nickel defense is weak against the run. Besides, Bell is probably a better tackler than Ayodele right now..

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sad thing is...

Once SD sees that we have certain situational coverages on their star TE, that’s when Jackson gets open. I wish it were that easy to say, “Oh, lets put Vontae or Sean on Gates and Allen can handle Jackson.” The second we decide to zone Gates, you have deep threat on other side w/ Jackson, and I’ve seen that Rivers has awesome timing w/ comeback routes. Not to mention Sproles will kill you with checkdowns or cuts across the middle, so if Crowder or Ayodele aren’t up to the task, it will be a long game.

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sean Smith

has done an amazing job in one on one coverage. I think you do that until it doesn’t work, and then you adjust if you have to.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!! thank you...

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey,

that’s my line!

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

You’re Welcome!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:hangs up on lawyer:

And don’t let it happen again!

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why Smith is on Jackson

and Davis or a combo of JT/Bell is on Gates. No chance is Will Allen locking down Jackson

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 24, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agreed.

I want to see a lot more nickel defense against top notch TEs, especially with receiving RB threats.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised...

If we adopt a little bit of what Atlanta and Indy did to us, and by that I mean run 4 deep and keep everything in front of you. Although I don’t know if Defense had enough time this week to put in a brand new package, but maybe some tweaks to some of our packages.

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by Heater OsE on Sep 24, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

psyched

I am leaving in the morning for San Diego. I have to make a few stops at the golf course on the way but will be on the Fins side early Sunday morning.!

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by phyrmun on Sep 24, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NICE!!

… and enjoy the sights…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Golf?

I should smack you in the mouth for mentioning that activity on here!! AND, YES, Golf is an activity, not a sport. And dont give me this Tiger BS…..I dont call pool players athletes, or ping pong players for that matter.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever played golf?

Its a helluva lot harder than you think.
And yes, its a sport.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

It is a hard ACTIVITY! Being good at Chess is argueably the hardest activity in the world…..should we call them athletes??? Any “sport” where you can drink beer and be driven in a nice little cart to the ball is not a sport! Dont get me wrong, I love beer probably more than anyone on here…..but when is the last time you saw Dan Marino crack a cold one on the sidelines during a game? When is the last time that Ricky rode a golf cart to the endzone?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

your definition of as sport is having to carry something? not like a bag of clubs weight 100 lbs and you aint hiking the grand canyon.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever played a Physical Sport?

And I’m not talking about Spelling Bees, and Eating contests….save that for the family reunion.

And before you knock walking a 7,000 foot course full of hills with a bag full of clubs maybe you should try it.

It may not be the toughest sport by any stretch of the imagination, but it’ll wear you down if you aren’t in shape.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point exactly!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys

how many times can I say that I PLAY GOLF….this is why I can make my opinion on it. AND YES, I was a top football prospect, scholarships to every college you can name. I also played professional lacrosse for a team in Canada. Guys, I can knock golf because I play it!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walk 18 in 90 degree heat.

And let’s see how well you perform down the stretch.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA

I live in AZ….I do it while it is 120* out!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asterisk?

You playing with Barry Bonds?

And considering you said driving in a cart isn’t a sport, I really don’t believe you walk 18 holes.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

do you have a degree sign on your keyboard, cuz I dont. and yes, I dont own or rent carts….so my happy but is walking.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can tell it is happy

because when you bend over and look at it in the mirror, it cracks a smile?

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

it was soooo McCheesy that it wouldnt have been the same if it didnt come from you LCFF!!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially when i am this bored

waiting for the weekend.
jaKnow?

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same here...

thus my golf debate via this forum. LOL. I love stirring the pot a little!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a sport, dammit!

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u achived

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright, u win

and top football prospect? really?

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

played with a bunch of nfl-ers…..Terrell Suggs, Todd Heap, John Beck (ARGH!!), Adam Archuletta, Tank Johnson, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and so on. Unfortunately some idiot ran a red-light and t-boned me while doing 60mph in a full size truck…..that ended my career during my junior year.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sry that sux

wats ur name.
i must google you!

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I am reluctant to give out my real name on the internet…ya dig? I can tell you that I didnt see anything on me on the first couple pages, because apparently I share the same name with a professor with a PhD who teaches Economics at a major college…and I guess he is a prick because not many people seem to care for his class or style. lol.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Played

TB, CB, Safety and returned punts/kicks. Was the 2nd fastest player in the county running a 4.5 40. Fav position was definitely defense…I liked corner cuz I liked to drape receivers and pick passes, but loved smashing people as a safety. was fun while it lasted.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.5 Forty Time?

Unless you could bench 350 lbs, you weren’t playing a sport

:)

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

well, in HS I did bench over 350(before the accident anywayz)….so I guess I am still in! and a 4.5 forty from a white boy in HS is blazing fast….the brothas used to call me white lightning, LOL.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I too could run a 4.5 Forty in HS

Fastest white guy on the field, and running the 100 in track :)

I wasn’t putting up that kind of weight though… I was big into martial arts (started training when I was 4, all the way til I was 25)… and didn’t want to screw up my fast twitch….

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

my 4.5 was in pads though…dont think it really changes anything though. I was putting up about 350 before the accident….couldnt lift heavy weights for like a year after the accident so I lost a lot of it. Oh, and I got kicked off the track team….so I cant make any claims on that one, lol

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always thought

they should run the 40 in pads at the combine…

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In case you were wondering

Marquis Cooper was the 3rd fastest…guy played WR in HS. We had quite a few duels on the field….played for the rival HS too. He was a good guy, sad to see him go out like that.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

i did martial arts for most of my life too. by far my fav was wing tsun and gung fu/jeet kun do! AND ive been watching MMA since it was illegal to do it here and had to be done overseas in Japan…pankrase days.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I started

with TKD when I was younger, or super karate as we called when I got older, gravitated to JKD and BJJ in my later years as it was gaining mainstream popularity. I even tried Capoeira for a year, but didn’t like how it flowed with my other forms.

I’ve never done a “form” in my life, and instead focuses more on martial sport, instead of martial arts. 2 shoulders that dislocate, and a torn ACL 4 times pretty much ended any hopes I had of competing.

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um

I might be really really rusty, but maybe I could give Wilson a run for his money right now? lol

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we need u now, bro!

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL ok fine

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh

and Marquis Cooper…RIP buddy.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Shane Matthews…I almost forgot about that guy…….oh, wait, I did!!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Dunno if any famous ladies went to my HS….so you get a bonus point for that one!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I have a long list of Bonus points :)

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by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...

do tell! any whos who of who land?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a couple...

But no point in name dropping, and neither of them were very well known when I was dating them anyway.

I still get invited to a few red carpet events, have walked the red carpet once with my date and Ben Affleck and his date. I had lots of fun back in my mid 20’s. Working in the Entertainment field always helps lol

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool man

good past experiences are worth their weight in gold, dont get rid of em….but at the same time, in the wise words of Phil Anselmo “yesterday dont mean $hit, whats over is over and nothing between!”

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright man

been fun, but my kegerator is calling my name. have a good one fr8train

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by Dragon27az on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that....

I’ve got stories to tell my kids for the rest of my life…. and pictures to piss off my wife lol :)

by Fr8Train on Sep 25, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yo thats sweet

lucky bastard

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol so u wereen't kididng?!?!

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey check your email

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me?

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no the other samdaman....yes you lol

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol yea i got it

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was stationed in Yuma Arizona

Summer Temperatures are in the 120’s, golf still wasn’t a sport there. I play 2 rounds a week and even if I played 6 rounds a week, it isn’t a sport.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mini Golf doesn't count....

even though I know the Windmills are tough.

And Canadian Lacrosse doesn’t count, after the exchange rate here in the US you end up playing water badminton.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Lacrosse is brutal….gotta say you get the s#$% kicked out of you more in that sport than in football.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive always wantd to play

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds awesome

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

golf courses don't have hills,

they have nubs

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by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but

do they have nubbins? LOL

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

that’s when there’s one malformed hill near two normal ones.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is one definition of sport:

diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

Golf is an athletic sport regardless if you want to say it isn’t. Driving a golf cart at a local Par 3 is not like walking Pebble Beach. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, since there is no golf carts on the PGA Tour. They have caddies, not chauffeurs numbnuts.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chuckle...

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

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by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

golf is only a partial sport then? funny, every course i drive by or have ever played at has golf carts…..and I hardly define walking as a sport. Would you consider a spelling bee a sport since people have to walk up to the microphone and back to their chair?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

maybe the good spellers do, lol. If this is the case, then every homeless person I see is an athlete….cuz I am sure the travel over a mile every day and they even push their own cart! lol

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

Oh.my.God.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't knock the spelling bee!

lol

my definition for a sport – anything you can play while eating nachos and/or drinking beer doesn’t count. That should clear everything up.

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tiger is an athlete

But you are absolutely correct, GOLF is not a sport. It is the single most difficult activity/hobby in the world, but make no mistake, it isn’t a sport.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

u have clearly never played

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have

many times and quite frequently, that is why I can say it is an activity. Ok, tell you what, show me any PGA golfer that can run a 4.4 40 yard dask or bench press over 350lbs and I will retract my comment……

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe, maybe not

but I bet he could run a 4.4…..oh, and the guy could dunk from the free-throw line.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

guy benches 500lbs……got any other crappy examples for me to shoot down? put a little thought into this one……..

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't talk about how much he benches

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh-hem

please read…..

Ok, tell you what, show me any PGA golfer that can run a 4.4 40 yard dask or bench press over 350lbs and I will retract my comment……

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Brady doesn't play a sport then

his combine numbers looked like those of the local spelling bee champ

by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Alpha6 on Sep 25, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give you....

Matt Hughes
Chuck Liddell
Lance Armstrong
Roger Federer
Tiger Woods

I’m going to go ahead and say most of the guys on this list can’t run a 40 yard dash in under 4.4, or bench 350 lbs or more…..

Plus, the #1 & #3 highest paid Athletes in ANY sport, is Tiger Woods, and Phil Mickelson…. and I guess you know, the average company just felt it wise to waste that money on Non-Sport Athlete Endorsements.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES

But again, people can make noise, they are going against someone other than themselves. Money is a by-product of the sucess of something….it doesnt make it a sport.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...

gas companies are athletes then, and pumping gas is a sport!!!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess Baseball isn't a sport either since Babe Ruth

could not run a 4.4 or dunk.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, Alright, alright

thank you guys for debating with me for the last few hours, made me laugh. So, for continuing to argue with me I would like to give kudos to the following:

samdaman
joel311
fr8train
phinstifosi

You guys are why I love this forum!!!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

point taken, but there are two catagories of sports in my book

contact and non-contact. golf is non-contact

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

you know I love ya sam. just hard for me to call anything a sport where no one other than yourself can determine the outcome of your play, where someone else carries your equipment, and no one is allowed to make noise. you are entilted to your opinion, I aint saying it is wrong, I just dont share it.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Track? swimming?

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last time I checked...

people are allowed to make noise….and it is timed. you can take 15 minutes to decide to jump in the pool.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but...

you lose.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alrite

love you 2 lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three kinds of sport

golf is a leisure sport.

Well, four. Killing’s a sport, too/

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

ROFLMAO

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, lifting 350 pounds is a sport?

So those big ass trash collectors and truck drivers all qualify eh?

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ABSOLUTELY!

the garbage olympics!

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

omg yes!

my garbage guy jamal will kick ass!

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jamal

can he play some d-line? tell sparano to give him a call. lol.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said..

show me one of them that could and I would retract my statement…..you keep dancing around this one.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope.

but it makes you an athlete….

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last time I checked....

it was an olympic event being able to powerlift…..thus a sport. please please, correct me on this one if I am wrong?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

playing at torrey pines?

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rivers is gonna pass.......

Our D couldn’t cover ANY passes last week, and Rivers threw in their game for over 400 yards !!!!!! Our D has to develop a nasty / aggressive attitude that focuses on hitting Rivers ALL afternoon. Be RELENTLESS !!!!!!!! We have to disrupt his timing. Last week our D proved that they can be bent to the point of breaking, and very quickly at that !!!! We definitely have the tools to beat SD, but our D MUST be aggressive and disciplined. I hope TGinn plays with a “chip” on his shoulder, especially if that means he plays the type of game we all know he’s capable of. GO FINS !!!!!!!!!!!

One day Miami will return to dominance....but how long do we have to wait for that?? GO PHINS !!!!!!!!!

by FinFan70 on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rivers aint...

… if the Fins run the ball and control the clock like last game…

Rivers will be playing paddle-ball on the sidelines for more than three qtrs…

… and Merriman is gonna get HIS bitch slap..!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here here!

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's good, but he definately isn't Peyton and if we control the clock like we did last week I would like to think that

Rivers would snap like an ADHD kid with too much sugar. I really don’t think he’s a strongminded and solid as Peyton.

by D0lphins4Life on Sep 24, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are severely underestimating Phillip Rivers.

Luckily, Sparano won’t.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOLOLOL..!!!
snap like an ADHD kid with too much sugar

I can picture that.. LOLOLOL!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 24, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Controlling the clock

like last week doesn’t happen often. I don’t think that we should be putting much hope into running off a 30 in the Time of Possession. I personally would be happy if we had a 35-25 advantage. Keep in mind, it doesn’t take Rivers to beat you when you have a guy like Sproles. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him return at least 1 kickoff for a score and 1 screen pass that he breaks for 50 yards and a score.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be at this game...

CAN’T WAIT!!! We are gonna win this one!!!

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by GEtSICK13 on Sep 24, 2009 6:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmmmmm, a thought just hit me. (dangerous, I know). Is it at all possible that Phins D sucked monday cause they spent TOO much time on the sidelines?

They didn’t have time on the field to get into a groove or into sync with each other?

I mean really, in the first Q they we on the field for what? 1 play and 12 seconds?

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't think it had any effect at all?

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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None....

The argument could be reversed, and you could say the Indy Offense didn’t get a chance to warm up and get into a groove either…. so maybe we were lucky they only scored that many points so fast?

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who doesn't?

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall.

by Fr8Train on Sep 24, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

always good 4 a laugh, fr8

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by samdaman on Sep 25, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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