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Season By Season Perspective: Ted Ginn

Ted Ginn is catching a lot of unwarranted flak for Indy's game.  I just want to put not only his progress from 2008 into perspective, but also his role on the team. 


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At this time last year Ted Ginn had three, count them, *three* receptions for a whopping total of 26 yards.  The man now has 13 receptions for 134 yards.  I think it's safe to say that he is probably a bit better than last year.  Since he had just shy of 800 yards of total receiving in the '08 regular season, I think it's also a good bet to assume he is going to get over 1000 yards receiving this year.  His route running is drastically improved over last year (not perfect by any means, but this is only the beginning of his 3rd year), and the O-Line is allowing Pennington more time in his throws.  This increase in O-Line effectiveness forces teams to play back a little, as evidenced by our now highly efficient run game, since Pennington has time to set and throw off of his front foot which he needs in order to get some modicum of power behind the throw.  Plus CP10's arm appears to be a *little* stronger than last year anyway, which will help Pennington hit Ginn beyond 10 yards without both Ginn and a defensive back tapping their feet and glancing at their watches as the ball arrives.

 

Let's talk a little more about that increased O-Line play.  Ronnie Brown is a superstar around here, yet he only had 150 more total yards from scrimmage than Ted Ginn last year--150 more yards than a 2nd year receiver who had yet to have his break out season.  Yet, we all put a lot of blame the O-Line for Ronnie's lack of "elite" production last year, so why is Ginn not afforded the same respect?  I couldn't begin tell you how many times last year that I heard opposing defenses were stacking the box due to a lack of respect for Pennington's ability to throw the deep ball, and thusly the R&R Express was being hampered by Pennington blah blah blah.  Again, I ask you why not the same for Ted Ginn?  Would not Pennington's lack of arm strength hamper a small speedster wide out more so than a bruiser running back?  I think so.

Ginn is no longer the bottleneck when it comes to his lack of big plays, as we were able to witness on Ginn's 2nd "drop" in the end zone.  Ginn had to come to a complete stop and *wait* on the ball.  Teddy had nice separation on the CB, but all of that means nothing when Pennington cannot hit him in stride.  He couldn't even block out the cornerback since the guy was between him and Pennington (behind him!), so I don't understand how you expect anybody to make that catch with a CB tangled in their jersey.  It is much easier to break up a pass than it is to catch one with a CB all over you. 

So,the real bottleneck is now the QB who can't get the small/fast receiver the ball in time.  I bet a lot of the people who are bashing Ginn for his "fear" of getting hit were rooting for little Chris Williams or Anthony Armstrong to make the team.  What role were you expecting them to fill?  Did you think they were going to happily wait in the same spot for a CP10 rainbow pass and risk their entire career taking a hit that would in all likelihood cause a fumble/incomplete pass anyway?

Ok, you're right, Ginn should not be WR #1, but is that his fault?  While we wait on a big, fast, physical receiver to develop (Hartline/Turner anyone?) to play opposite Ginn, he's the only receiver we have that can get down field.  That's why he is being used as the #1 guy.  Camarillo and Bess are much too slow to maintain any form of separation on a deep out.


Basically, Ginn is a very talented receiver who runs the 40 in under 4.3... too bad Pennington throws the 40 in 4.4 flat.

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Finally!!!

Another Fins fan who loves Ginn as much as me. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Dolphin fans owe a big thank-you to Cam Cameron for picking this guy (even if that’s the only thing he did right). Anyone wishing Brady Quinn was our QB anymore?

You made a lot of good points so I won’t rehash the same arguments. But I disagree on one point – Ted Ginn is a #1 receiver. He fits the bill in every way. Opponents fear his speed, he can run every route and make every catch (with the occasional drop). It’s not his fault he’s never had anyone to throw to him. The best is yet to come. I just wish the Fins would let him return more kickoffs. If he doesn’t have 3 return TD’s in his rookie season called back due to cheap penalties, nobody would be talking about Devin Hester.

And he has a great family :)

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Sep 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im high on ginn too

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by samdaman on Sep 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

minus one 'n'

and change it to vodka and I agree with you!

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just call me potato head

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 24, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think ginn

could be a steve smith once a stronger armed qb gets put in he needs a little more time but i believe he can do it

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by kewlguy on Sep 24, 2009 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

im sorry but he still does have to make that second catch

he needs to stand tall and catch a ball that hits both of his hands
i would expect that out of any professional receiver

by Brian5517209 on Sep 23, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fair point

as much as I go out of my way to defend Ginn, he should have made that catch.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Sep 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

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by samdaman on Sep 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys...

We need to get those thumbs going the right way.

I agree. I was pretty pissed at him on Monday night, but after thinking about it I softened. His route running has improved greatly. He is a good runner right now, as apposed to a poor one last year.

He just needs to prove he can be that guy. The one whose number can be called on to win a game. He sure got open enough on third down. Now he just needs to hall a couple of those end zone lobs.

BTW: Chad Pennington threw nice TDs three times Monday. Nice spirals. Nice velocity. Right on the point with good touch in spots where only the receiver could make the play.

It will be a shame that I will call for his head if we lose Sunday. It really isn’t his fault. We just need to figure out what we have.

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by The Phinisher on Sep 23, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed on penne.

he did his part. alot of people were saying those balls were thrown too high. they were thrown where only his guy could catch it.

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

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by MrMedic on Sep 24, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I gotta agree that Penne threw the most potential long TD passes I’ve ever seen him throw in a single game. He really was on point until the final 3 minutes. Still, I don’t think Ginn can be blamed for the second one regardless of how hard he is on himself (we’re our own worst critic), the DB held his freaking arm down.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ummm are you seeing the same guy I am?

I see a wr that will crumple to the fetal position on the ground to avoid any contact.
I see a wr that will run out of bounds whenever possible

when you say Penne’s arm is stronger, does that mean he can now throw 15 yards instead of 10?

yes, I agree that much of the blame is Penne’s. I have been a staunch supporter of getting Henne in the game. But you can’t honestly say that no blame should be put on Ginn.

by NC Mike on Sep 23, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Penne

did hit him right in the hands from more than 40 yards out.

by texascowpunk on Sep 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In mid stride?

Having to turn around and come to the ball does not count as getting hit in the hands. The ball is supposed to meet the receiver at a specific point in their trajectory.

The one in the back of the end zone was a good pass though. Only Ginn could get it.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well yeah

but given what we have seen around here since Marino retired I’ll take what CP10 has give us.

by texascowpunk on Sep 24, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine,

this thread is about understanding the cause of Ted Ginn’s lack of production, not necessarily fixing it. Until I see something good from Henne, I don’t want him taking over. Unfortunately, he won’t get much garbage time with the way our offense works. We always keep games close. I wonder if Pat White can throw bullets.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blame Ginn all you want....

……just don’t blame Ginn for getting drafted 9th overall.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Sep 23, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

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by samdaman on Sep 23, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I blame his family

for also being drafted 9th?

by texascowpunk on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

but if he wasn’t drafted 9th overall then he wouldnt be on our team. (i wish)

by DRoyce on Sep 24, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why you don't draft that kind of a receiver when you don't have a QB

to throw to him.

Ginn has the talent and speed to be a great WR. If he were on another team, he would be in highlight reels frequently.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, i've been saying he'll be a monster with henne throwing 2 him

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by samdaman on Sep 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

marvin harrison

He avoided contact and was a great #1 receiver. If ted ginn keeps improving his route running and hands, i can see him being very similar to marvin harrison.

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by ZzzestyCabbage on Sep 24, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

Either way, he will need a large physical receiver playing opposite him, and a QB with a cannon to get him the ball in stride.

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he doesn't shy away from big hits.

I said it’s the right play.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Ginn could play for NE,NO,Pitt or the Giants

if he knew their playbook and was familiar with those QBs tendencies and those teams schemes etc. for 1 FKN week just so the Ginn haters would disappear with their senseless BS.

It’s similar to putting cement boots on a man,throwing him in the water and then looking at him and saying “I can’t believe you’re sinking…swim you worthless POS!”

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 24, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

David Lee for OC ’10

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by joel311 on Sep 24, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ginn isn't as bad as some people think

but he’s also not as good as some think. i don’t think having a stronger armed qb at the helm will fix his not wanting to get hit.but, it will give him more chances down the field. he’s never going to be great wr, but he can be a good one. i think he always got by on his speed before, and now he’s having to learn how to play instead of just relying on speed.

by TheCableguy on Sep 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Ginn

is a fast track star. He catches the ball with his chest and thats why he can’t make any important grabs. Forget Brady QUinn we could have had Patrick Willis.

by DRoyce on Sep 24, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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