Defense lets down Dolphins in 27-23 loss to Colts
It had the makings of what could have been a great night for the Miami Dolphins. The offense ran the football for over 230 yards. They converted 15 of 21 3rd downs (71%). They had the ball for over 45 minutes. But in the end, it was the defense that just couldn't get the job done. And now the Dolphins will have to come off of a heart-breaking Monday night loss and travel to San Diego to avoid going to 0-3 in this young season.
Let's talk about some of the headlines.
Want to play the blame game? Then blame the defense
There's no way around this. You can point to a couple examples of how the offense might have cost the Dolphins the game. But most of the blame goes squarely on the play of the defense. Peyton Manning just had a field day - throwing for 303 yards on just 14 completions. That's a whopping 21.6 yards per completion for Manning. All total, the Colts ran 35 plays in the entire game and averaged over 10 yards per play. That's just ridiculous.
Most of the blame for the defensive struggles has to go to the Dolphins' safeties. Gibril Wilson missed tackle after tackle. There's no excuse for missing the tackle on Dallas Clark on the first play of the game and turning a 35 yard pass completion into an 80 yard touchdown. Wilson was also trucked by rookie RB Donald Brown as he steam-rolled into the endzone for his touchdown in the fourth quarter.
The linebackers get some blame as well. Basically anyone that even attempted to cover Dallas Clark shares some responsibility. Clark caught 7 passes for 183 yards and a touchdown. And to a certain extent, you have to blame the coaches. There were a couple of plays where Channing Crowder was matched up on Clark - which is a total mismatch. Most linebackers wouldn't be able to cover Clark one-on-one - let alone Crowder, who isn't exactly speedy. Crowder was also asked to cover Donald Brown on his big 24 yard reception to help set up that field goal attempt right before halftime. You can't put Akin Ayodele and Channing Crowder in those kinds of situations - especially asking them to cover Clark, who is essentially a bigger wide receiver more so than a tight end.
On the plus side, the Dolphins actually limited Reggie Wayne to just 3 catches for 37 yards. But this is why we talked so much about the tight end than the receivers this week. I'm no worried about the cornerbacks. They played pretty well. But this team simply can't cover athletic tight ends at all - which is going to be a season-long problem. The Dolphins still have to face Antonio Gates, Dustin Keller (twice), Ben Watson (twice), and Jeremy Shockey to just name a few.
The pass rush was also non-existent, which was a major problem. Peyton Manning was never rushed at all - even when the Dolphins did try to blitz. And then on the biggest play of the game, the Dolphins showed blitz way too early, let Manning read it and change the play, and the result was a WR screen to Pierre Garcon for a 48 yard touchdown. There's no reason why the Dolphins didn't change their defense when Manning changed the play - or at least try to disguise the blitz a little bit better. That's basic football. If I was playing the Madden video game, I would have done exactly what Manning did. Once the ball was snapped, there was nothing the secondary could do - they were beat before the snap ever took place.
Defensively, all I can say is that at least Sean Smith and Will Allen had pretty solid games.
Don't blame the offense
I can't believe the people out there who want to sit here and blame the offense for this loss. The Dolphins held the ball for over 45 minutes and piled up over 400 yards of total offense. They converted 71% of their 3rd downs and did almost everything they were asked.
The running game was outstanding. Ronnie Brown showed how good he can be when he gets a little blocking out there. He shows patience for the hole to open, then can explode, runs hard through tackles, and gets extra yardage. Ricky Williams showed that he's still got it. And the offensive line was outstanding - both in the running game and in pass protection. They dominated in the trenches.
And that brings me to Ted Ginn - who, for some reason, is getting the blame for the loss. So let's talk about those two touchdown catches he almost made. Yes - the first one he probably should have had. It seemed like he slowed down at the end of the play because he thought he had less room in the back of the endzone than he really had. And yes, he "alligator-armed" it. But it certainly wasn't an easy catch. And perhaps the ball could have been thrown a little better.
The second "near-catch" is the one most are talking about - the one in the endzone with under a minute left. Did Teddy get both hands on the ball? Yes. But he also had a corner draped all over him - to the point where it was borderline pass interference. But more importantly - here's the question you ask yourself. If Ginn makes that catch, do we all go nuts about how amazing of a catch it is? If you answered "yes" then I don't see how you can get on him for not making it. You can't have it both ways and say that while it would have been an amazing catch if he caught it, it's a terrible drop of a bass he should have caught since he didn't.
In reality, I expect Randy Moss or Andre Johnson to make that catch. And I'd be disappointed if one of those two were on my team and they didn't make the catch. But I don't expect that from Ted Ginn because he isn't as good as those two. So let's be real here for a second. I'm disappointed he dropped it, of course. But Ginn is what he is - a 5'11 quality #2 receiver. Just because he's forced to be our #1 receiver due to lack of talent doesn't mean he'll actually play like one. He dropped the pass - deal with it. The offense shouldn't have even been in that position to begin with.
Terrible time management.
So you have 3 minutes to go 82 yards to win the game with 2 timeouts in your pocket. So you run the ball on first down, take a timeout because the play clock is winding down, and then run it again on second down? Seriously? Suddenly you go from 3:13 left at your own 18 yard line with 2 timeouts remaining to the two minute warning at your 24 yard line an only 1 timeout. Terrible. That might be the worst 1:13 seconds I've ever seen in terms of play-calling and clock management.
Speaking of play-calling, you also have to wonder about the QB sneak with 50 seconds left on 3rd & 1 from Indy's 46. That seems like the perfect time to take a shot down the field and then worry about the 1 yard on 4th down if it gets to that point. No matter whose decision it was to do that - Chad Pennington's on the field or the coaching staff's on the sidelines - it was a poor decision.
TURNING POINT OF THE GAME
It would be easy to declare Garcon's touchdown as the turning point of the game. But I don't think it was. I think the turning point was the Colts' drive following Ronnie Brown's 3 yard touchdown to put the Dolphins ahead 20-13. The crowd was into it as the Dolphins held a 7 point fourth quarter lead. And then the Colts march right down the field and go 71 yards in 6 plays for a touchdown to tie the game back up. That drive - highlighted by a 49 yard completion to Dallas Clark, was the turning point of the game.
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
This week the honor could go to a lot of people. But I'm going to highlight just one player - and one play - because it seems like it's the most obvious bad decision of the game. Following the last Colts touchdown, what in the world was Patrick Cobbs thinking taking the kickoff out of the endzone? It was six or seven yards deep into the endzone and Cobbs isn't exactly known for his speed? Not surprisingly, he doesn't even get back to the 20. Just a bad decision and a risk not worth taking.
QUICK HITS
Some other quick thoughts from this disappointing loss:
- One play-call that had me up in arms was the decision by Dan Henning to run the football on that 3rd & 6 play from Indy's 30 with just over 4 minutes left. Field goals don't beat Peyton Manning. Why play the game scared? Chad Pennington was on fire on 3rd down tonight. Let him put it in the air and try to pick up the six yards. Don't get conservative after calling a great game all game long.
- Enough with the Pat White package for now. All it's doing is killing momentum.
- Here's something to think about - the Dolphins only punted one time in the entire game.
- I thought Gibril Wilson could at least tackle. I guess not. How did he lead all safeties in tackles last year when he misses tackles all over the place?
- For all of his faults, 7 of Ted Ginn's 11 receptions resulted in 3rd or 4th down conversions. That's impressive.
- Much improved kick coverage on Monday night headed by Lex Hilliard and Erik Walden. The Colts averaged just 18 yards per kick return.
- If you want to play the "what might have been" game - what might have been if Dan Carpenter doesn't miss that one FG and Adam Vinatieri misses his FG that hit the crossbar? Or - for that matter - what if Tony McDaniel doesn't ge called for encroachment and give Indy five extra yards during the final first half drive? Or what if Gibril Wilson does something right and makes the interception in the final moments of the first half rather than let the ball slip out when he comes to the ground? Yes - lots of "what if" moments.
- I do love the 'Wildcat' - it went for 107 yards on 12 plays. Happy Birthday to the 'Cat!
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for the love of god, we need to figure out how to cover TE's...
antonio gates is next…
by StinkyMojo on Sep 22, 2009 1:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GET DAVIS TO COVER THEM
hes fast and physical
OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
"if something goes bad, I did it. If something goes semi-good, we did it. If something goes good, you did it. Thats all you need to do for guys to win football games for you."- Unknown
by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think they should convert Davis to take Gibril Wilson position. I think Sean Smith, Davis, Bell would do great together on the field and the same dang time. Gibril is a dissappointment for me right now. Big bucks to not make a dang tackle.
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit
get Clemons in there. he has the speed and is physical. why screw up another DB?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullshit my ass
I agree clemons is good also but think you have two good DB’s why not have them there on the field the same time? Im not saying leave Davis at the safety position the whole time ONLY on certain situations, because Davis is just as quick and I think more physical.
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because W. Allen is not gonna be here forever.
i can’t tell yet if it looks like he is getting slower, but we have struggled to find cover corners since Madison and Surtain.
And after the Jason Allen experiment, I would not want to try to move a rookie back and forth between two positions, especially a rookie with as little experience at DB as Smith.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
Why was no one calling for Yeremiah Bells replacement after he wiffed on Tony Gonzales last week? They both have missed their share of tackles, but it’s been Bell who has been consistently getting beat by TEs. But I’d chalk that up to the fact he’s the being called on to defend them, while Wilson plays deep.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bell deserves part of the blame, sure. And the LBs.
but Wilson is the FS. No one should get by him.
btw, bell is the team’s leading tackler.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points.
I still think Clemons should be on that field as well as Vontae Davis. I want to see more Nickel packages, and maybe some dime packages. Our young DBs may be our most talented bunch on defense right now.
I really wish Matt Roth would man up.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you leftcoast
thats true.
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry i said "bs"
was still just pissed about the game.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO CONVERTS.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need speed and physicality when the tight ends roam around
I think we need a PLAY MAKING middle linebacker. He is supposed to take charge of the defense. Why didnt he check out of the blitz when he seen manning change the play at the line of scrimmage when he seen a blitz comming. Since the defense did not disguise the blitz or check out of the full blitz it resulted in the colts winning touchdown. I dont blame the DB’s on that play but I blame Wilson and Crowder for not checking out of the blitz which he couldve made the tackle.
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Blitz was fine...
but if you’re sending the house, and you see the QB audible. You have to adjust the coverage of your DBs. If you keep them 10 yards back, of course the offense is going to throw a screen or slant pattern to negate the blitz. That mistake falls on the MLB and the DC.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree.
MLB will probably be a priority in next year’s draft.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about JD folsom he looked good against the pass in preseason
OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
"if something goes bad, I did it. If something goes semi-good, we did it. If something goes good, you did it. Thats all you need to do for guys to win football games for you."- Unknown
by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or at least tackle a TE
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow im speechless right now
The one play that got me angry the most was running it on 3rd n 6 after that its the 2 runs to start the final drive, the positives other than one big run by the Colts we shut down the run and sean smith had a very good game
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Sep 22, 2009 1:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Matty...
I agree with your take on Ginn fully. While he could have caught it (IT WAS IN HIS HANDS) and it would have been dramatic, Gibril Wilson is just awful. I said it early before the season that I didn’t have a good feeling about the guy. Of all the bad safeties that we’ve had he is the worst because he seemingly can’t do anything. He can’t tackle, cover, or run. He looked as slow as a lineman and I think I’d rather have Jason Allen in there or maybe the rookie Clemons who is at least fast enough to run someone down. Crowder had a poor night as well; I think he was trying to do too much and he was out of position many times along with the missed tackles. And that play calling at the end wasn’t cool either…
On the bright side I loved that wildcat. Ronnie and Ricky were playing beautifully and that was a sight to see. They really stole the show.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 22, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wilson
Of all the offseason moves the dolphins made, there was one that left me rather perplexed: letting Renaldo Hill go and replacing him with one guy who was not a true FS.
Renaldo Hill, though no world beater, is a guy whose value to the team vastly overshoots his individual talent. I think he had proved, in 2006 through 2008, that he could be an effective ‘qb of the secondary’ thus making everyone around him better. And, honestly, I do not remember a TE torching the Phins defense, like it happened these past two games, when Hill was playing. Correct me if I’m wrong, of course ….
Now, someone may accuse me of having a man-crush on a rather non-descript safety but I really think Hill was one of those team-oriented players that could effectively fulfill a specific role and you need those players as much as you need highly talented guys; simply, the latters mean nothing without the formers.
Now, I just hope the coaching staff finds a way to close this gap, still I maintain that it was a mistake to let Hill go so easily.
Greetz,
by toscana jones on Sep 22, 2009 5:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you all blasting Wilson?
When it’s been the LBs and Bell who have been covering the TEs these last two games? If you’re going to blame someone, at least blame the right person.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you have a mancrush on wilson?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson gets blamed for 2 BIG missed tackles
the one on Clark on the first play of the game; and when he got run over by Donald Brown on his way into the endzone.
by Matty I on Sep 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep,
when the FS misses a tackle, it’s usually a TD. That’s why we are supposed to have a sure thing back there… Maybe Crowder should convert to FS lol.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crowder got burned by clark all day too
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
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by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got burnt in coverage,
I meant put him back there as a sure tackle.
Either way, it was a joke.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget the crappy angle
he took on garcon … and then getting blocked out of the play as a result…
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't be silly
HOW could I forget that?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodman?
I really thought we should have tried to keep Goodman. Seemed like that guy was breaking up a pass every time his receiver was targeted. I couldn’t believe that we let him go. He is not a probowl DB but he is well above average!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in disbelief
How the hell do you lose the game when you literally controlled the ball for 3 quarters. If the defense is sitting down all that time why don’t you go over some notes on the game and figure out Manning. The Trifecta better start taking names and get this team together. This is ridiculous.
by wolski-08 on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!
This is totally ridiculous last week the offense and special teams look terrible. This week it’s the D. Who are the Dolphins, what is the identity of this team? It’s not the fact that they lost that bothers me, it’s the fact that they totally dominated the game and lost. I don’t remember ever seeing a team lose a game that they looked so much in control of. If they can play a game on offense as well as they did today and lose, how can they be expected to win at all? I might be overreacting because I had to DVR the game and just finished watching it, but really I don’t see how I could react in any other way after just watching that mess.
by Laces out on Sep 22, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i can't believe i bought NFL ticket this year to watch this team
0-2 and we get the Chargers?
next Sunday will be looooooooooooads of fun
by Brian5517209 on Sep 22, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let's not go overboard
last year we were 0-2 going into NE-bye-SD. The two teams that played in the AFC Championship the year before. We ended up 2-2. There’s a lot of new pieces on this team, including 2 new OL, and 4 new starters on defense (2 in the secondary).
As for the matchup with SD, I really think we need to double Gates over/under with maybe JT and Bell/Wilson. Activate Wake, let him blitz the QB opposite Porter, and match Taylor up with the TE, he’s at least athletic enough to stay with him. Give him help up top and allow him to play trail coverage and I think he’ll do alright. The run D is fine, and I’m not real scared of LT racking up yards. We may need to go nickel when Sproles is in the game so a guy like Vontae can match up on him, because we don’t have a LB or a S that can stick him at all. Sean Smith on Jackson and Will Allen on Chambers and we should be alright there. Porter needs to torch whoever is trying to block him and force Rivers to dump it out early.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SD lost their NT
same game plan as Indy.. run the ball on O, passes to TEs (SD is worse than we are at covering TEs). On D, LT is still gimpy, i am more worried about Sproles, but as you said, our run D is fine. Also Chambers is non-existent these days. Jackson is the deep threat, and Gates is the go to guy. If we can contain Gates, I think we will win.
I like the idea of putting Davis on Sproles, and JT on Gates, with support from Bell. Put Smith on Jackson, with over the top help.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least we know the offence can play...
Last year we were also 2-0 with a game in Foxboro coming up. Look how that turned out. Here’s hoping for something remotely similar to that!
by Aqua Blue Sweater on Sep 22, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
i TOTALLY forgot about that dropped pick by gibril wilson at the end of the first half…lol
by Valbon8 on Sep 22, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This one hurts
what just happened. Ginn has to come down with that ball in the endzone, end of story. Bounced off both his hand. Why does this coaching staff believe that our linebacker’s can cover these tightend’s? There needs to be major adjustments or we are going to continue to get torched week in and week out the schedule doesn’t get any easier unlike last year.
I think Pennington showed enough in this game to keep the starting job for next week but he is hanging by a thread and isn’t getting any help from his receivers let alone our defense.
Offensively we played the right game, solid o-line play, efficient on 3rd downs, no turnovers, long drives that kept manning off the field. Defensively it was a total meltdown
by fins72marino420 on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about, Pennington played great and stayed in the pocket and made some key plays to keep the drive alive. He's not going anywhere soon.
Also I think during the last drive, the coaches are at fault for taking to long to get a play into him.
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 22, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pennington can't win games on final drives (forget final drives 4th Quarter)
He doesn’t have the physical tools to do it. In the pass Ted Ginn didn’t pull down he has to adjust at the end because the pass as ussual was underthrown and too high.
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can a pass be underthrown and too high?
by Cokes_03 on Sep 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the trajectory.......was too high.
he’s saying it floated…..
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed that pass was a lame duck
But the point is the guy can’t win this games, someone disagree?
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Pennington is not the type of QB you want in that situation
However, he should never have been in that situation. This one is totally on the D.
by Cokes_03 on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you agree with this Lefty?
Games between good teams in the NFL usually come down to the final two minutes of a game. That is where good QB’s earn their money. Even as poorly as the Defense played last night, the Phins had a chance for a game winning TD with over 3 minutes left, 2 time outs, and Pennington drove the ball 50 yards when you needed 80. You can blame the coaching staff if you want, but at least some of the blame has to go on Pennington.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the D lost us this game.
say what you want about CP, it doesn’t change the fact that if the D does not give up those big plays, we win.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were plays left on the field by both the Offense and the Defense last night.
It is easy to sit back and point to this play or that play as the reason for a win or a loss, but it is more complicated than that. Yes the defense could have done better and made more tackles. But the offense could have made more plays too. Right before half they settled for a long FG by running on 3-7, leaving time on the clock for Indy to tie the game before half. Ginn dropped 3 passes last night. Pennington takes a bad sack when he was outside of the pocket. Pennington misses a wide open receiver down the middle of the field for a dump off route to Ricky. Clock management was atrocious at the end of the 1st and 2nd halves.
There is more blame for last night than just the defense.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with everything you said
and it still doesn’t change the fact that the D prevents one of those plays, we win. How do you justify that they let Manning on the field for 15 minutes and he puts up 27 points?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Time of Possession is Irrelevant
It doesn’t matter if it takes 10 minutes to score a TD or 10 seconds, you still only get 7 points. Indy scored 27 points in 15 minutes because they could. It took 45 minutes for the Phins to score 23. Both teams had the same number of possessions, and the Colts were more effecient.
You say that if the D prevents one of those plays, the phins win. If Pennington hits Fasano or Ginn (twice), I could say the same thing. If either of those players makes a great catch (like Clark breaking a tackles), the phins win. If the coaching staff manages the clock better at the end of the half, the Phins could have won.
In a game like this you can point the finger in number of directions and be right about all of them.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, seriously
TOP is irrelevant if you have no defense. because if a team can score on 30 seconds, then yeah, it doesn’t matter.
Both teams had the same number of possessions, and the Colts were more effecient.
in any game, both teams have within 1 possession of being exactly even, unless you have a bunch of successful onside kicks.
the team that holds on to the ball the longest, is usually controlling the clock, and running the ball. this usually results in a win. TOP is a stat that is almost always associated with the winning team because of the ball control.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look. Last night was an extreme example
But my point is valid. You can possess the ball all you want, but it only matters if at the end of the possession results in points. The Phins possessed the ball all night long and settled for FG’s. FG’s were not going to win that game last night.
Granted, the offense didn’t get any help from the defense, but you have to admit, the defense’s poor performance contributed to the the TOP stat.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those possessions DID
result in points.
And so did Indy’s. Yes, there were bad decisions to kick field goals when it was clearly a go for it situation at the end of each half, but that call is SPARANO’S and Sparano’s alone.
If the defense makes one more stop than the other defense, then TOP means EVERYTHING.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't settle for 3 FGs we win too.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if we scored 100 points, and they only score 99, we win too.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nuh uh.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lies!
I’m telling mom :(
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i already told your mom
i whispered it in her ear last night.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
walked right into that one!
If my mom didn’t look like Carrot Top at a St. Patty’s Day parade, I would be insulted… good for her!
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my mistake
that musta been Finsx mom.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TOP does matter
if we don’t keep the ball for 3/4 of this game it’s a complete blow out. Our D didn’t do anything right they gave up big play after big play. Say what you want about Pennington the fact is even with that embarrassing two minute drill he still got them down the field and in a position to win the game. Ginn needs to haul that pass in he was working against a rookie free agent and there was no pass interference.
by fins72marino420 on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good teams don't allow a team back in the game
Indy, even with the quick strikes it had, shouldn’t have been in the game. We shouldn’t have settled for a FG at the end of the first half. We knew that they were scoring TDs most every possession that they had so you had to figure we needed more than a FG to win and should have play called accordingly. The Dolphins were playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely...this was the D's fault, not Penningtons.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pennigton fucked up the 2 minute drill
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it Pennington or the OC?
It looked to me like Pennington was motioning to the sideline to get the plays in faster….
And the game wasn’t lost in the final 2 minutes anyway, it was lost everytime the Colts marched down the field in under 1 minute to score.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ur rite, i guese
we had so many opportnities to win
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree it was messed up
but it should not have come down to that.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 running plays?
I guarantee that Pennington didn’t call the first two running plays of that drive. Pennington might not have been John Elway in that drill but I think that’s more on the OC than the QB when you consider the plays that were called to start the drive.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
but Penne did well enough last night to win that game if the Fins D plays well.
That is how the Fins are built, running game, low powered time consuming offense.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Penne not being that type of QB but
I want a QB that Win games so…
If we are not able to run but defense keep us in game (Atlanta) or our defense melt down but we are manhandling the trenches (yesterday).
Can’t we expect our QB to win a game just because he is not suited for?
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so do i
but let’s call a spade a spade. this team, overall, played better than i have seen them play since possibly the 1st NE game last year. we should have won this game if Wilson makes 1 tackle.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We also could have won if......
We score TDs instead of settling for FGs.
Yeremiah Bell and the LBs could actually cover a TE.
The DC knew how to create a good blitz package.
Ted Ginn put on 20 lbs and could actually fight a DB for the ball.
The OC and CP10 weren’t such horrible clock managers in the 2 min drill.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we also could have won if the colts forfeited.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fasano caused two turnovers last week
and he was a huge part of the blame… but those turnovers only resulted in 6 points.
Gibril Wilson GAVE UP 14 points last night just because he couldn’t wrap a guy up. Sorry, but Gibril takes the largest share of the blame.
Let’s look at it like this, if we don’t kick those field goals and we do end up getting touch downs (big assumption) then that’s a +8 swing in points. That will also have prevented Indy from getting that field goal to end the half, so that’s an 11 point difference in score. Gibril gave up a definite 14 points in 2 plays.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you the first one an Gibril.
The second one, he got blocked off the tackle by Sean Smith, and Nathan Jones wiffed on making the tackle on the 3yd line. So let’s put the blame where it’s deserved.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 23, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rushing for over 230 yds
and converting a high percentage of your 3rd downs should get you more than 23 points. It was, IMO, classic bend but don’t break defense by the Colts. Pennington, as leader of the offense, has to generate more points in those situations.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking of it this way...
If your offense scores 23 points, that means that the other offense has to score four times. If you have 15 minutes of total offense, that’s a lot of scoring in a brief amount of time. If the D can’t stop an opposing offense in that amount of time, it’s completely on the D. There is no way to blame Pennington in this loss, you just can’t unless you blatantly hate the man as your QB. He did plenty to win this game.
by Cokes_03 on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Each team had the same number of possessions last night
Time of possession doesn’t matter. It’s what you do with those possessions that do. Each team had 5 scoring drives. The phins settled for 3 FG’s and 2 TD’s. The Colts, in the same number of possessions, had 3 TD’s and 2 FG’s. They win.
Managing the clock is only good when you score points and the phins had to settle for 4 long FG opportunities, making only 3. To beat good teams, like the Colts, you better score TD’s.
Prior to the game if you would have told me that DC$ would be attempting 4 FG’s, I would have said the Phins would be in trouble.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time of possession doesn’t matter.
Correction: Time of possession DIDN’T matter last night. Time of possession SHOULD matter and generally DOES matter in the vast majority of NFL games.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
of we dodn’t control the ball the way we did, and the way our Defense was playing, we would’ve gotten blown out.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!
we should have won the game, but the D was leakier than a the Big Dig.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason the Phins usually win Time Of Possession
is because they don’t have the players needed to create big plays. Big plays kill time of possession. You want to win TOP, allow a bomb or a punt return or a kick off return or throw an interception for a TD. In each of those cases, you limit the other teams TOP but allow points and that puts yourself in a hole.
Like I said above, each team gets the same number of possessions. It is what you do with them that is important, not how long you have them.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not taking blame from the D
Of course it was an attrocious game on D, TOP must matter and yesterday our D just kill all the Offence efforts.
I’m also not saying Henne must come right away because theres no guarantees he’s gonna be better. But IMO is the same loosing with Penne close games than losing with whoever badly… Losing is losing.
If Penne can’t move the ball when it’s really needed then the whole team is screwed
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might want to check your facts,
Pennington won several games last year on final drives.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't ant to check my facts
Last year Penne came back just 1 time.
In all his years in the league Pennington has won just 7 games on 4th Quarter come back drives (For the record Manning has more than 30 come backs yesterday +1) . From those seven i dunno how many needed a TD to win, but I’m quite confident no more than 2 required it.
Last year he won games that were already under control killing the clock, not losing at the end.
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
but he did win in that respect too. Would you rather he had blown the leads so he could come back and win every time?
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he is a Bad QB
If he also had blown leads he has nothing to do in the NFL. I agree and also have said D played an attrocious game and is responsible for blowing the lead.
My point is with Penne we are not able to come back once we are down in the 4th quarter, so far NOBODY has proved me wrong.
Once have said is not that type of QB or that he should not be in that kind of situation and so on… but at the end he is a QB that can handle a lead but can’t handle be trailing.
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
I was saying you are wrong. How do you think we beat Seattle last year? We were losing in the 4th quarter and then Pennington put together a 16-play 79 yard drive that was capped off by a Ronnie Brown TD.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will quote Myself
“Last year Penne came back just 1 time” Can he do it on a constant basis if required? NO. You just proved you have not read the thread.
I also like the way Penne has been a leader for this team I also appreciate he give this team a chance to be competitive week in week out. But he is taking us no further than game 1 of playoffs. This year probably best case scenario 9-7. Don’t want to think worst case if team keeps playing a la Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde on D and O.
by Mexican_ on Sep 22, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, like I said
check your facts… THE VERY NEXT WEEK Pennington put us in position for the game winning field goal against Oakland.
Thank you, come again.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had no problem coming back to beat us
Remember that certain Monday night game….30-7 starting the 4th qtr? If you play call more aggressively than what Miami has been doing, Pennington will score more points. But settling for FGs isn’t going to win against the elite offensive teams. It might work against average teams….but not against the Pat, Colts, Chargers, Cards, Saints, Texans or other explosive offensive teams.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right.
Against a team like the Colts we needed to put up a TD every time down the field because Manning can roll off 2 or the 3 TDs in no time at all.
by texascowpunk on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what???
Why in the world are you even talking about Pennington? The offense was great…we need LBs!Our inside Lbs cant cover,and cant tackle.Someone tell me why we paid big money to Keep Crowder!!Pennington played great,I say you fire henning and get someone who can call the right plays when the games on the line!That was the worst time managment I’ve seen!!
by wengman42 on Sep 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had a chance to draft a special on in Maualuga
We took a nickel cornerback instead. Maualuga made more big plays on Sunday, a sack and a forced fumble, than Crowder made all last year. You watch, Maualuga is going to be a beast!
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nickle CB???
did i miss a draft pick somewhere?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha apparently!
Who is this elusive 3rd CB that we picked up in the draft? I’m dying to know. Couldn’t be one of our two CBs of the future who split playing time.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is the nickel CB
Like you guys didn’t know that. In what future does Davis start? Smith has outplayed him to this point and Allen was just resigned for the next 3 years for big money. Will Davis magically win the starting job prior to ‘12? Don’t think so, so that makes him nickel CB.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis will take over for W. Allen.
Not this season, but I’m sure that is the plan. Allen may not make it 3 yrs.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was thinking the same thing last night
in the 1st quarter when Manning went after Allen early…. IIRC he tested Smith early on a couple passes to Wayne and then threw to the right side pretty much the rest of teh game…
but at that point i was wondering how long before the rookies are starting ant Allen is in the slot/nickel back.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
even though smith had some help over the top, he pretty much shut wayne down all night.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith and Allen rotate
and get near identical playing time. You can call Davis the nickel CB on the depth chart, but in actuality he and Sean Smith are both in training to hold down CB in 2010.
As for the W. Allen signing a contract, Ricky Williams had a contract extension this year, I guess that means him the De Facto starter for the next two years.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right. Allen can move to nickle when he gets beat out for a starting job.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whhops, meant Smith and Davis.
But yeah, imagine Will Allen as the 3rd CB on the roster? How sick would that pass protection have to be…
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post in a bad way Matty
I had two paragraphs written and said F-IT…I’ve been a die-hard for 39 of my 45 years and these types of moronic losses get tougher by the year,it’s sensless and totally preventable and I knew when we ran it on 3rd and 6 and was more than happy to settle for a FG that we had just lost the game and it was and is a sickening feeling and something I will never get used to even though it happens all to often to the team I love.
by firedanhenningnow on Sep 22, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
but I don’t think we should fire dan henning.
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what we shouldn't have done was wasted our free darft pick on pat white... we could have a safety who could tackle or a baller inside linebacker!
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is so bonershit over Pat White.
I’m not sure why everyone has a hard on for Pat White. As Matty pointed out all he does is slow down the momentum of the game. He was a waste of a pick and it shows everytime he comes on the field.
Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.
by Coolerking on Sep 22, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like pat white
but should have got mauluga. he could kept up with clark i bet.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Supporter of the Bash Brothers- Wilson and Bell.
by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really sure who you think is all excited about white
most people here have been less than impressed so far.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you matty for agreeing with me
i just did not go into as much depth as you did in my postgame write up
by jazztrumpeter89 on Sep 22, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
without discounting this year....
wut willl we be next year or two? CP not signed Ronnie not signed Ricky retiring after next year….were not winnning it all this year so is next year gunna b bare cubbords again? not alot of structure going into next year we could be a totally different team
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Phins Fans, just stopping in from Stampede Blue to tell you guys that you really shouldn’t beat yourselves up about this one. You had nearly 46 minutes of possession. The Wildcat was making our D crazy. By halftime it was pretty obvious they were gassed. Realistically, you guys did everything you hoped to do and against 31 other quarterbacks in the NFL, you most likely would have won.
However, Peyton Manning is not 31 other quarterbacks. Dallas Clark is a matchup problem for everyone in the league (as are most TEs with linebacker size and WR speed/hands). And Pierre Garcon and Donald Brown aren’t exactly well known names that you have to gameplan for.
You guys played a damn good game, and honestly had me writing the Colts off midway through the 3rd quarter. Just goes to show you that things can change in an instant.
Anyway, have a good evening, and do us all a favor and kick the Pats butts this season, okay? Best of luck!
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by MonkeyBusiness on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good and classy post
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
by Patssuck456 on Sep 22, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really dont feel like reading all the comments but has anyone mentioned those last 3 mins? we can blame the defensive let down all we want but the reality is that 3 minutes is more than enough time to win the game.. poor choices in play selection has to be blamed on the coaching staff and the fact that they moved around like cows after every play was ridiculous…did peyton run the ball thru out the countless audibles he made? I dont think so… so why did the fins choose to run and on a 3rd down for that matter? why didnt the O line move their asses to spike the ball? fact is they could have won this game…. they should have picked better plays such at THROW THE BALL and HELLO THE CLOCK IS RUNNING!! the best teams win under pressure plain and simple… they need to go back to practice run tackle drills over and over and work on the 2 minute drill offense..
by SNOOP97DAWG on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its funny when Pat white comes in...
i automatically think..0 yards on this drive killing random play. Pat White is worthelss if we dont let him throw the ball and give him more than a “pinch hit”. WTF man “hey pat do good on this one play or your out OK!”
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will beat myself up over this
Because missed tackles and lazy linebacker play drive me nuts! We just lost our ass in our home stadium and that makes me mad. Our defense wasn’t scaring anyone tonight, and I want our defense to scare people. Dallas Clark was practically laughing at us as he was coming over the middle. That’s unacceptable. I would be depressed over this game if it weren’t for our offensive line which looked pretty good tonight.
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by kmb8488 on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crowder and Gibril showed me nothing.
We payed these guys BIG MONEY. Jake Long screwed up week 1 and made up for it with an awesome performance. I expect these 2 guys to play lights out on D next week.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Supporter of the Bash Brothers- Wilson and Bell.
by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crowder has never been great.
that’s why they were willing to let him walk if he didn’t drop his price. but crowder is solid for the most part, and you can’t fix everything at once if you want to build for the long term. I’m sure MLB is on the radar for next year.
Wilson? i dunno. I have always viewed him as more of a SS. He DOES have speed, but he still doesn’t seem to have great range. I have been worried about him for a while now.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quick thought...
To think that 18 months ago we were looking at a 1-15 season with absolutely no foundation to speak off. If someone said to me in 18 months The dolphins would have a chance to beat the Indianapolis Colts on the last play of the game on MNF!! I would consider asking you to check into the nearest mental institute.SHAKE YOURSELVES PEOPLE! Your team just sent a message that last year wasnt a fluke. This is a proud moment to be a phins fan. We are rebuilding and only getting better. You guys act like we are one of the best teams in football!! BE REALISTIC!!!
WE CLOSE THIS GAME OUT IN 2010, 2011,2012….
by Wallace758 on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We're reigning division champions. Champions close games out. Period.
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year was an amazing year...
but you cant really believe that year can be duplicated again come on…..
by Wallace758 on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
The other three teams have the same schedules as we do bar two. We could still make it:)
by Aqua Blue Sweater on Sep 22, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
put it in perspective
I think the pats are our biggest competition in the east. The Jets will dive down to and 8-8 team as everyone predicted. The Bills..blahhh So in actuality the dolphins really are 1 game out. Do you really think the Jets can play this good all year? I dont..
by Wallace758 on Sep 22, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Jenkins stays healhty i think they can
remmeber last year they were great until something happened to Jenkins and then they tanked
by Brian5517209 on Sep 22, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right.
But from what I have watched, the other teams in the AFC East, besides the Pats are looking pretty damn good. You have to wonder if the wildcat will work against the Jet’s D. Also ust imagine what T.O and Lee Evans are going to do to our secondary. If we couldn’t stop Peyton and a mediocore reciever corp just wait and see what happens when we play the Bills.
Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.
by Coolerking on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pats beat The Bills.
If The Bills are looking good, then so are The Pats. You can say they don’t look as good as they normally do, but they are still a strong team overall.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills beat the Bills
The Pats didn’t win that game, the Bills reached down in their bag of tricks and managed to find a way to lose that game. That guy had no business bringing the ball out of the end zone 4 yards deep. Take a knee and then run the clock out. There was less than 2 minutes left and the Patriots weren’t killing anyone on defense. Fact of the matter is the Pats aren’t playing good ball right now. The Fins and everyone else in the AFC east have to take advantage of that until the Pats get back on track, which they most likely will.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well put! I'm not going to say I wasn't a hater last night after watching Wilson miss crucial tackles but, thanks for helping me get back to reality. This is still a young team with some talent waiting in the wings hopefully soaking it all in.
Cameron Wake for one hopefully is one of those guys we could’ve used last night. With the speed he has coming off the line. If the game sloes down for him a bit I believe he’s that explosive player we need to get pressure on the QB, unlike last night, but like it was said we can compete and last year wasn’t a fluke.
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tight Ends are killing us
I miss Zach Thomas….
by SDefee on Sep 22, 2009 3:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Thank you! Someone with some insight!
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what you are saying is that if they agree with you, they have some insight.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Thomas was reading this
but had to go lie down with a Migraine….he’ll be out for 3 weeks.
He was stud during his time in Miami….but that time has passed.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately I think your are correct!
by texascowpunk on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach was awesome in the runnign game. one of the best
but even he wasn’t fast enough to cover TE’s.
he wouldn’t of helped us.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Supporter of the Bash Brothers- Wilson and Bell.
by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, these TEs we are facing are like giant WRs.
JT can probably stick with em, with some help over the top.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!
i love Zach, but that is spot on.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
But I will say Thomas was a hell of a lot better in coverage than Ayodele and Crowder.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 23, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He at least wrapped up
He might not have been the fastest guy, but he had great position and the TE rarely got more than 3 or 4 YAC when Zach was on him. We will miss you Zach!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to see him
brought back as a LB coach. Maybe he can teach these guys how to wrap up and compleate a tackle.
by texascowpunk on Sep 25, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense
Two defenses played poorly tonight. If the Colts offense hadn’t been able/allowed to score big on their very few opportunities, the story of the game on the Colts side would be how their defense was completely man-handled and couldn’t stop Miami’s run attack to save its life. Miami defense gave up too many big pass plays and couldn’t tackle yet again, but the Indy defense gave up a ton of rushing yards and 3rd down conversions.
Look at the Colts, even in their Super Bowl year their defense was statistically ranked toward the bottom. They win because of their offense! Defense can keep you in games, but it’s the offense that wins games! I’ve seen defenses play terrible all game but the offense scores points and makes the necessary plays to win, we all saw that happen tonight in the Colts. I don’t buys statements like, “Ginn can’t be expected to make that catch because he’s not Moss or Fitzgerald”. That’s a problem, we need receivers who can do that, whether it’s Ginn or Bess or Camarillo or someone else. Ginn said post-game that he should’ve made the catch. Any NFL receiver should catch a ball that hits both hands. Conservative play calling bothers me a lot… it says, “we’re not going to try to win the game, instead we’re going to try to not lose the game”. Week in and week out teams lose close games that way. Not beating yourself and not making mistakes is critical, and a key part of what the Fins do, but at some point you have to take control and make the plays to win games. That’s what Peyton and the Colts did, that’s why they win so many games year after year, again with less than dominating defensive performances many times. The last Miami drive was disgusting, I would have never believed a veteran starting quarterback and an O/C with decades of NFL experience put that thing together.
This was another heartbreaking loss in Dolphin history.
But at the same time, all of the “what if” questions about tackling, play calling, penalties, field goals, time outs, catches, near interceptions, etc, etc…. the fact is the Dolphins were in it until the very end, and actually dominated most of the game. Before the game I’ll be honest, I was worried about my team getting utterly embarased on MNF by Peyton and the Colts, and when the first play went 80 yards it was indeed going to be a one-sided collapse.
The Dolphins came close to winning, and could have potentially won under a variety of circumstances. It’s weird thinking about the Atlanta loss and this loss… two tough losses that showed a lot of glaring weaknesses in the team. Against Atlanta the defense held its own in a lot of situations while the offense coughed up the ball and couldn’t get anything going at times. Against Indy the rushing attack is tremendous out of base formation and wildcat, the O line is a dominating force, and 3rd downs are converted with ease. The defense gives up big play after big play, can’t tackle, barely pressures Peyton, and allowed approx two points for every minute the Colts offense had the ball. The real scary part is though, put last week’s offense with this week’s defense and you’ll lose games 62-7.
I guess the conclusion is the defense played terrible but there were still opportunities to win that didn’t come to fruition. Somewhat comforting that we were still so close to victory, but at the same time so frustrating because we WERE so close to victory. There’s a lot to be excited about, but a lot to be concerned about as well.
No doubt it was a game that will be talked about for a long time.
by FrozenFin on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Colts fan here
It is probably cold comfort, but your team played an excellent game tonight, really dominating the Colts in almost every aspect. My perspective is that it was clock management during those last 3 minutes that killed the game. I was fully expecting the offense to be rushing (or at least moving quickly) to the line of scrimmage before every play, and for time outs to be taken immediately after a sack or short yard rush. Even the announcers were astonished at how slow everyone was to get set. Pennington and Sparano share the blame in my opinion.
I feel a bit dirty saying this, and will probably be clobbered by my fellow fans over at Stampede Blue, but this must be what it felt like to be a Patriots fan after the week 1 win at Buffalo. Certainly Miami didn’t hand the Colts the win a la the Bills, but the last few minutes was where the game was lost.
Good luck going forward and I truly hope to see your team do great things, starting with beating the Chargers, the Patriots and all of the other AFC South opponents you face.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Sep 22, 2009 3:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
then why say it?
and what beat miami was the 2 tds manning made against our swiss cheese secondary….
by Wallace758 on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good of ya to stop by....
… I feel we didn’t give the Colts anything too… they earned every yard, every point. The Colts’ defense will not soon forget this game and what was done to them.
… I feel the game was lost in the poor two-minute drill the Dolphins performed in. It may have been in better in some other moments of the game too, but there will be many times in tough, close games where a team must perform in a two-minute drill……
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was gonna well
say this and that about the game, but you all watched it.
If e lose to SD next week, put Henne in and move on with rebuilding. Not only Henne, but all the rookies and see what we got at every position. And don’t give me all this crap about we can still do this and that. At 0-3, in the AFC we aren’t going to ANY playoffs.
One dude on ESPN sums it up, blame it on a wara arm QB, or the WRs, but you CAN"T argue:
"
Ted Ginn Jr. dropping the ball sums up the Dolphins. They can’t make a big play!
" — Justin (Boston)
Eighty yards, four minutes or less, a FG? Maybe. But we aren’t getting a TD because WE CAN"T GET DOWN THE FIELD.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well said
"It is obvious the Patriots souls are on lease - any day now Satan will rise up to New England - kick Tom Brady, Kevin Garnett, and David Ortiz in their luck filled testicles - and turn that area into his personal vacation home here on earth.-Rzayo 24, week one.
"Everybody in that room should be embarrassed. If they’re not embarrassed, they got the wrong job or they’re stealing money from baseball."-Ozzie Guillen 8/28/09
by rangerjae on Sep 22, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree I we can’t beat SD please start Henne. Let him take his lumps and continue with the rebuilding.
Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.
by Coolerking on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... sad to say, but the team may start with a new QB at SD....
just saying…
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to agree
if we lose next week Henne should go in and i think he will. I also agree with throwing the rookies in there and seeing what we have in them. We barely sneaked into the playoffs last season after starting 0-2 and that was thanks in large part to a soft schedule. I’m not saying we don’t win next week because I do believe it’s a very winnable game but if we fall to 0-3 we need to start Henne and see what our young guys can do.
by fins72marino420 on Sep 22, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the weird thing is that Henne has been the emergency QB
if he goes in, CP or White can not go back in.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
History of the Dolphins
It seems like the Dolphins have a history of incomplete performances. One phase always fails to deliver. Last night, not withstanding the questionable 4th quarter play calling, the offense was hot. It was just as I posted last week with running first and then turning to passing with manageable down and distance. The defense however was horrible after last weeks stifling performance. In this copy cat league I guess we’ll see a lot more deep middle passing since we have no ability to cover it. Gabril Wilson is a bust. The tirfecta said they like Culver’s cover skills so maybe him on the tight end with Bell over the top and Wilson on the bench.
Ginn is not a #1 wide out. Three drops ruin his performance last night and as Coach Gruden said big-time players make those catches. He also certainly does his best to not take a hit as well.
by Spotf15 on Sep 22, 2009 6:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Ginn sucks, end of story
Wait, he doesnt suck, because without him we would not even have gotten that far down the field, but he is not the clutch receiver we are looking for. Our defense had 19 tackles all night, and allowed one of their biggest weaknesses to kill them. Touche to Dallas Clark for exploiting the Dolphins D.
I hate Ted Ginn and I hate Peyton Manning. I’m gonna take a whole lot of shit today thats for sure.
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by dolphin341 on Sep 22, 2009 6:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more Matty
Young teams on the verge of being special have that one game where they seem to cross a metaphorical bridge and rise up and show how great they can be. Miami approached this bridge last night with way too much caution and failed to make it across.
For the defense, I agree with the idea to blitz, but why are we literally sending the farm? It was picked up and exploited almost every time and Manning completed short passes in those situations that went for huge gains and 2 criticcal touchdowns – a third time everyone ran past the running back who broke for a TD.
Tackling. All I can say here is WTF. These guys need to close and wrap up, period. Tackling was piss poor. Manning got to do whatever he wanted.
10 great plays erased by one bad one (maybe 2 bad ones)…Ginn. #1 receivers make the winning catch in the endzone, whether a CB is draped on their back or not. WINNERS make that catch. You can say the CB was pushing Ginns arm, but he has to make that catch. He didn’t and everything he did to impress prior to that becomes erased to me.
May have been Ginn or Bess, but the QB sneak you mentioned: We wouldn’t have been in that situation had the receiver on the previous play lowered a shoulder while headed for the sideline and shoved just a little for the first down. Instead, they avoided contact and Miami called the sneak on the next play.
I appreciate Pennington’s calm and poise, but take an adrenaline shot or something when we’re down by a TD and need to go 85 yards…no sense of urgency at all.
Ugh.
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by mikem1224 on Sep 22, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we didnt want to score to early giving peyton manning the last drive
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but we do need to score
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Just based on what I have seen – you never take for granted that you will score and try to kill clock – if you’re down, you go for the score. Just ask Manning, who drove for the winning TD in what? 36 seconds (largely helped by bad tackling and all-out blitzes).
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
by mikem1224 on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I hear anyway say the seasons over or that we should bench Chad Pennington, We're fighting! Lol
The seasons not over. Need proof? What was our record after two games last season? 0-2. What was the end result? 10-6, Division Champs. Let’s not quit on this team just yet.
by JP 23 on Sep 22, 2009 7:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I will never quit them... but they sure have broken my heart over the years...
… even when Marino was there, there were big heart breaks…
Yeah, last year there was a change about this time… but we shouldn’t even be here because the team is suppose to be better, right? But you’re right…. they could go into a three game win streak before the bye week…….
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's it going to take to win the AFC East this year.
Not quite sure, but it looks to me that the super power days are over. Seems like there is a lot of good teams in the East. That being said, you never know what’s going to happen from year to year. Should the Fins give up on CP and test Henne because we start 0-4 possibly? I don’t know. Think about this. Last year you had a year where 11-5 didn’t get the Pats in the playoffs, while the Chargers make it at 8-8 and even win a playoff game. The Cards go 9-7 and almost win the superbowl.
Now I don’t see anyone in the AFC east going 11-5 this year. Things have leveled out far too much. The Pats aren’t clicking, the J-E-T-S are playing lights out D, and the Bills are moving the ball. So what does that mean to the Fish? Well suppose it’s a year where 9-7 gets it done in the east…..and we do start 0-4. Lets just suppose that we pull CP now and throw Henne into see what happens because we have given up on the year (after all, no one starts 0-4 and makes the playoffs….right San Diego?). Is Henne our best chance to win? I don’t think so, Sparano doesn’t think so, Parcells doesn’t think so. Sure he is our best chance to complete long passes but does that win you games? I think that Pennington is our best chance as long as we are still in it. Now if the season gets down to say…..week 12 and we are 3-9, and the Pats or Jets are 9-3, or 10-2, then sure…..lets see what Henne has. But for me I say give us the best chance of winning and that is still Chad Pennington.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Take
1. Defense takes the entire blame. Regardless of time of possession, if it takes our offense 11 minutes to get down the field and score, and it takes Manning 1 minute, that is a game we will lose everytime. Our defense simply cannot let a team answer our magnificent clock eating drives, with quick scoring drives of their own.
2. The clock management at the end of the game simply baffles me. There has to be a reason they ran it like they did, but I cannot figure it out.
3. It seemed as if the play calling at the end of the game got scared. I don’t know why, because the playcalling for the first 3-1/2 quarters was pretty imaginative I thought.
4. Ted Ginn is not a #1. BUT, He didn’t draft himself #9 overall, he didn’t put himself on a team with no true #1, he plays the best of his abilities. He is a good #2 receiver, but he is in the position of having to be the #1. His situation is not his fault. That being said, you are a frickin pro football receiver. If the ball hits BOTH of your hands, you have to catch it, period. I also wish the pussy would take a hit.
5. CHAD WAS THROWING 30-40 YDS DOWNFIELD IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS!! WHY DO THEY NEVER GO DOWNFIELD DURING THE FREAKING GAME?!? I UNDERSTAND THAT PENNINGTON DID NOT COMPLETE THOSE DEEP BALLS, BUT EVERYONE KNEW THEY WERE GOING DOWNFIELD ON THOSE 3 OR 4 PLAYS. SPARANO, HENNING, PENNINGTON…PLEASE TRY TO GO DOWNFIELD SOMETIMES FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!!!!
4. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY
Dolphins and Gators baby!
by gatorfin on Sep 22, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
we definitely didn’t need to burn our time outs… that was poor management. But the idea was to get the clock low enough so the Colts didn’t have an opportunity to make a scoring drive after we scored.
We do take some decent shots down field but the team is run first offense which is how you tire out defenses and dominate clock time. Our defense just needs to wake up and play their part.
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone Still Think Parcells is a Genius?
I mean, Gibril Wison, Jake Grove, Jason Allen, Pat White…the personnel moves are terrible. Let ’s not even discuss Long over Ryan. Ugh.
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 7:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Don't be like that. You can't Honestly say that we should not have pick Jake Long
Rebuilding teams can’t take a QB. It just doesnt work out 90% of the time. You need to build an O-line first which the phins clearly didn’t have. The reason Flacco and Ryan work in both Baltimore and Atlanta is because they have good running games and at least above average offensive lines. I completely agre with Long over Ryan
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by Rytackle on Sep 22, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so tired of hearing this "we should have taken Ryan"
BS.
I am reminded why I didn’t post here during last year’s regular season. The regular season is chalk full of people who do not know what they are talking about and bring little insight to the table.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before you insult people
Use the correct term. It’s “chock full”. Good riddance.
by stonecoldcory on Sep 22, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly did not say I was leaving.
I am just going to spend the next 15 weeks telling the regular season die-hards that they are idiots and then debating with the real fans that understand that football is more than just 4 months of the year. You know, the people who can lend weight to their arguments through historical facts, statistics, and overall good insight. The people who understand that an interception might not be the QB’s fault, that understand that a sack might not be the OL’s fault, and that realize good teams lose games to other good teams.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling people "idiots"
Isn’t very insightful. If you know so much about football, why are you posting stuff on a blog website? Take your insults elsewhere. They do no one any good and it makes you look like the “idiot”.
by stonecoldcory on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get off your high horse,
and actually say something about football or just don’t bother responding to me. Idiot.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually the one calling people "idiots"
Is the one who is on the high horse. Anyways, I do agree with many of your football related takes, I just don’t see the need to insult people. That’s all I’m saying. It’s a game, brother, one of which you had nothing to do with. Take it easy.
by stonecoldcory on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man,
All I did was point out my extreme dislike for the regular season atmosphere on the blog. If you truly agree with my points, then you have to realize that this blog turns into an ignorant bitch fest as soon as there is a loss. “So and so needs to go”. Always.
Am I wrong when I say that someone who claims that we need to cut or no longer play Ginn/Fasano/Wilson likely brings little insight to the table? If they did, they would have been able to make a strong case rather than just saying they don’t like them, or they aren’t what we need. They are people who don’t really know football, they just watch it and I feel they bring the overall football IQ of this blog down by 50 points during the regular season. This place is full of stimulating debates during the offseason, but it’s hard to have those these days.
I give mad props to Matty for making it through 2008 without banging his head against the wall until he finally had one too many concussions.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but you don't call people idiots just because they might be wrong on something.
There will always be debates on blog sites. Not eveyones going to agree with your perspective. That doesn’t mean you have the right to insult everyone who doesn’t see your take. Doesn’t make you smarter or any more of a man than the next guy….
You don’t like what people have to say on this site, click the search button at the top of your screen and search for another Dolphins blog site that makes you feel more comfortable. It’s that simple.
by JP 23 on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Man,
read the way the whole thing started. I said “idiots” to get a rise out of you people.
Have you seen my signature?
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with your sig?
i thought everyone was on board. Trade Ronnie for draft picks while he is still worth something.
We already have Hilliard to take over.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree and Disagree
I agree about free agent signings. Now I see why Parcells likes to build through the draft. He stinks at evaluating free agents.
But I disagree with you about Jake Long. He was tremendous last season (rookie pro bowler) and didn’t play bad last night. He’s had one bad game. It’s way to early to give up on him. Ryan is great, but let’s wait and see at how Chad Henne is before we start weeping over Matt Ryan. As for White, again, it’s still to early call him a bust. Sparano and Henning haven’t figured out how to use him yet.
And Parcells didn’t draft Jason Allen. So that’s not his fault. You can’t cut him cause he’s your best ST and your 4th best corner.
by JP 23 on Sep 22, 2009 7:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells has put together to very solid drafts.
Long, Kangford, Merling, Donald Thomas, And Sean Smith are all starting. And Hartline, Vontae Davis, and Pat White are all getting significant playing time. He has been absoutely brilliant in evaluating prospects.
His evaluating of free agents is a while other story. Eric Green (Over Leigh Bodden)? Ernest Wilford (Over Antonio Bryant)? Reggie Torbor (too much money for a special teamed and 3rd string ILB)? Gibril Wilson? Jake Grove (Over Jason Brown, arguably the best center in the NFL who signed for just $4 million more than Grove did)? Seriously?
by JP 23 on Sep 22, 2009 8:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
pat white
it’s not that we’re calling him a bust… it was just not what we should have done with our draft pick. I believe Pat White deserves a chance to tryout for QB but it should have been for some one else.
The whole premise is ridiculous. Why would we want him to run if Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams is right next to him, there’s no way he’s going to be a better RB. Secondly why would we pull him out to pass over our starting QB? Who benches their starter for a third stringer every so often play?
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Jake Long did much better tonight
than what he did in Atlanta
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by rangerjae on Sep 22, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you watched the replays you woulda seen he got a lot of double team help. The line is just playing better together
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
He actually had triple team help on one play, and Freeney still got a piece of Pennington after the pass.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freeney is going to make plays.
He’s a Top 5 DE. Say what you want but Long played excellent and got great help from the O-line.
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells has nothing to do with Jason Allen !
by sportssaga on Sep 22, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So ur blaming this lose on parcells
because our defense couldn’t tackle and our WRs couldn’t catch balls and make big plays.
Man ur a genius.
Long did alot better tonight. Our O-line wasn’t the problem.
Jason Allen was not a Parcells pick, get your facts right.
And ur judging Pat white after 2 regular season games, which he is only in on a few snaps.
And WIlson only after 2 games.
the personnel moves are terrible.
Ok, lets go back to 1-15 and trading 2nd rders fo the likes of AJ Feely. And getting blown out EVERY game.
Dude, you don’t have a clue to what your talking about do u?
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya but Gibril Wilson has had two staright awful games to start the year.
And he wasn’t all that impressive in preseason either.
I’m not giving up on him yet. But he really needs to step it up next game. Another game like yesterday against San Diego and you could be seeing Chris Clemons getting some playing time.
by JP 23 on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't mind see some clemons
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
Long played his ass off last night. He was crucial in protecting CP10 and played a vital role in last nights rushing game. He played his heart out last night and it showed.
Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.
by Coolerking on Sep 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Jake Grove played like a beast last night…what game were you watching? Anytime you rush for 200+ yards your whole line is playing at an elite level. AND Jason Allen was drafted by Saban, so how does that fall on the Tuna? And Ryan wouldnt be a good QB playing off his butt….you build from the lines out, everyone knows that. You need to research if you dont know what you are spatting off in this forum.
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by Dragon27az on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to detract from his performance..
but Long DID have a lot of help this game. Props to the coaching on providing it.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when....
You rush for more than 200 yards and none of them came on a long run. Think about that folks, it’s not like the old Lions when Barry would bust out an 80 yard run in the third quarter and a 40 yard run in the 4th quarter. The line was blowing the colts off of the line on a majority of the 40 running plays. I will take that anytime! Long, Grove, Thomas, Carey….all of them were great against the run….and very good against the pass.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The road back to 1-15!!!
I sais it yesterday in a post. Run the ball,control the clock and you win. We,ll that turned out well!!! ? Where the hell is Cameron Wake? Where is Pat Turner? Stop with the Pat white s%$t. Start shoping for a new saftey, Wilson blows goat. Even though CP 10 had a good game, I am not a fan. I wont bash him today he played we,ll, but if we strart 0-4, its time for a change. We will never get to the promise land with noodle arm under center.
What the hell happened to the defense??? The Colts D were on the field for a century and played better. We couldent beat ourselves out of a wet paper bag.
I am just going to face facts, we are no better than Detroit, the Radiers or the Rams……..Period
Here’s to 1- 15, Cheers.
by ecks on Sep 22, 2009 7:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you say that year when we were 0-2?
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Im pretty sure CP10 is a bit better then stafford, or russell. He won’t let us go less than 6-10.
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please stop cheering for the Dolphins
we don’t need fans like you
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't sound like he "cheers",
rather he just refrains from shouting obscenities when we win.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda guy that enjoys when we lose
just so he has something to bitch and moan about
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by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we did what we needed to do on offense
our D was horriblle against manning.
its depresing.
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by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
btw, we actualy won
gibrils pick? that cost us 3 points. All we would need to do is kick a chip shot 4 the win
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 7:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Play Calling
Agree with almost all Matty said, and he reminded us of the great special team coverage that we lost in the mix, especially from Lex (now we know why he beat London for a squad place).
But on the play calling again, why be so conservative? you have the Colts defense on the ropes, they are dead tired, you converted 70% of 3rd downs, and you run again on 3rd down???
Not just that, our last drive in first half, its 4th and 1 and you have two time-outs, why not fake a play and try to draw offsides? heck why not risk it and run a play? they were so scared to give manning a chance to go for a final drive and he did it anyway!
I think the O, and the O-Line, did their job (the O-Line was on the field for 45 minutes, talk about being tired, and we only gave away 1 sack, plus all the rush yards, and maybe what, 1 offside penalty?). The D let us down, and i remember the gripe on Wilson is he was a more natural SS then FS. I have never seen an SS that can’t tackle!
by MoLimits on Sep 22, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Long, etc
Re Jake Long, he didn’t have one bad game, he had a bad preseason too, a bad game against Atlanta, and needed lots of help last night. Go back and look at the Tampa game, which is the game where the vets were supposed to be nearly “ready.” He had a great year last year….against sub par teams. He’s very good, above average, but not all world.
He is the least of the problems though, as we have few people to catch the ball, and the ones that did are evaporating (where is Camerillo? What happened to Fasano??) before our eyes.
The defense looks exactly like it did in years ago. Olivadotti time. Gibril Wison is terrible, Crowder is always running after someone who beats him, and Porter and Taylor are about 53 years old. Porter did great last year….again, against subpar teams. He is virtually invisible now save for the odd play here and there.
Good news is we can run when we dedicate ourselves to it.
Bad news is, last night showed it doesn’t matter, without a strong arm QB and someone at the other end of the pass.
Playmakers Needed.
TH
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matty I agree with you on most of this
But I totally disagree about Ginn. He made some good plays but a better reciever would have made that play in the end zone. Ginn did much better in tonights game than he has in most, but the fact remains this team is going to need a playmaking number one reciever if they want to win a Superbowl.
About Wilson, he looked totally overmatched all night long. There was one play where Clark cut left, and Will Allen cut right, leaving Wilson to defend him. I didn’t understand that at all.
Not enough of the 3-4 this year.
I am completely frusturated!!!!
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by rangerjae on Sep 22, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It boggled my mind when we ran it on 3rd & 1.
I know they were trying to prevent The Colts from ever hitting the field again, but you can run the clock in the red zone, it doesn’t have to be done on your own 30 yard line.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen...
Every single time…“Oh wow…we are in FG range. Alright guys don’t screw this up and we will come away with 3 points!”
I swear that was what was going through the OCs head. Forget that! GET THE FIRST DOWN…THEN GET THE TOUCHDOWN. Imagine….we could have run at least 1-3 more minutes off the clock on 3 of those drives if we didn’t “settle for FGs”. The score could have easily been 34-21 if we were more aggressive! And the Colts defense would have been on the field for more than 50 minutes and would probably have had 2 less possessions total.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good god
that game was embaressing for the D, all they had to do was make a stop and they couldnt. And dont even get me started on the 2 min drill, worst since the Philly super bowl blunder against NE, Miami should have won this game. we have the toughest schedule in the NFL this year, every win is precious, they better beat SD or its gonna be a long saeson for this team. The offense stepped up and did thier part, now we need the D to stop the passing game. The AFC East is up for grabs, NE sucks, Buffalo shows up when they want to, and the Jets are overated. Nobody is gonna walk away with this division.
by mikexmen84 on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NE is good.
The Bills have done nothing but show up consistently.
And The Jets are the same good team as last year minus one crotchety old man whose arm gave out after week 12.
I agree that nobody walks away with the division, but I disagree with your reasoning.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
defense
i figured our defense would struggle this season…what did pasquiloni do for syracuse..seems to me we could do better..
by paul wall on Sep 22, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matty ! are you there...
Can you please dig up Ginn’s stats of YARDS AFTER CATCH. He is not a playmaker, and will never be. He catches the ball and rolls up into a fetal position.
by sportssaga on Sep 22, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts on Ginn....
and I made these fairly clear last night, so I’m repeating myself to some of you.
1) Ginn is way too inconsistent. Last week he was invisible, this week he puts up a good stat line. What the stat line doesn’t tell you, is that the Defense last week was playing pass protection as the DLine was stopping the run on their own. Ginn Disappeared in that game. In this game, our Running game was killing them, and so they were putting 8 men in the box and playing to stop the run. This allowed Ginn to get open, because they weren’t playing to stop the pass.
2) I don’t care how many 8 yard out routes you catch, if you pull up on 1 TD pass, and drop another that hits you in the hands, you’re never going to shake the “under achieving” stigma. Plain and simple. I disagree with Matty regarding the 2nd pass…. while the defender was right there, he was playing the ball…not hitting the receiver. Thats no different than a jump ball, and Ginn has to come up with it when the ball is in your hands.
3) Matty is absolutely right that the Safeties and the LB’s deserve most of the blame for this loss. And I couldn’t agree more on the 3rd and 6 draw play that resulted in a FG. With the way our Defense was playing (or not playing), you had to go for the first down, you can’t settle for a FG and hope your Defense stops them….especially after they hadn’t all game.
4) Clock management…. well, it was horrid. I don’t know if thats Penne’s fault of the OC’s fault for not getting the play in quicker, but it was just horrible.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I partly disagree with you on #1 and #2,
In #1, since Pennington is not a deep pass threat to the defense, it is up to the O-Line and the running game to open up the underneath routes. When our supposedly stellar running game can’t consistently get passed the 6-7 guys defending the run, then the passing game will also get shut down. Unfortunately, it wasn’t really the running game that was the problem in Atlanta. The early turnovers caused the play calling to go into panic pass/pass/pass mode much too early in the game. We gave up on running, so they stopped even trying to defend the run.
On #2, I agree on the first TD, but I’d like to see a video of that 2nd catch. The defender was on Ginn well before the ball got there, in fact he had to stop and wait. And, as I recall it, his face was not looking towards the ball at all when he first put his hands on Ginn. His hand clearly held Ginn’s right arm at one point, which isn’t exactly what I would call “playing the ball”.
I agree with you on the rest though.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on #2
i think the defenders was tangled up in his jersey. intentional or not, it looked like PI to me.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First and Goal from 1 yard line?
With the R & R express? Unless we committed a dumb penalty, that game would have been in the bag.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's not funny.... but.....
He catches the ball and rolls up into a fetal position.
LMAO!!!!!!!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Defense does stink
But out Corners are good. We need pass rush and safeties. Taylor has lost a step…The pass rush is what it is, Indy has a good line but the truth is Wilson and Bell blew that game. They do not play well together. Remember last year we had a Safety playing with Bell (I can’t remember his name) and we let him go after the AZ. game in week 2. Something is not right and the Big 3 better get someone in there that can cover and tackle. Better pick up the phone and call back Courtney Bryant!
12-4 in 2009.
by phatfinfan on Sep 22, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible,Terrible,Terrible
Here are the problems with this team.
1. No QB. CP 10 is not the answer. No ability to stretch the field. But I have come to realize he was brought in to help with the rebuild. He is a true leader, but not the answer.
2. No Playmakers, Ted Ginn sucks plain and simple. We need a big time receiver who get separation and actullay catch the freaking ball.
3. Line backers suck in coverage. Would somebody please show these Mary’s how to cover.
This is still a rebuilding project, and I honestly believe Parcells and company are
Making the right desecisons. There are a lot of new faces on this team, they just need
Time to mesh.
ROME WASEN’T BUILT OVER NIGHT
We stick by our team in good times and bad.
by ecks on Sep 22, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow....were to start
1. Great job to the O-line and to all the Dolphin running backs. The line was great running the ball as well as providing great pass protection to CP even when you knew that the Colts were pinning their ears back and coming hard. I loved the occassional use of Cobbs as a RB (but bad move on bringing that ball out Cobbs). Pennington’s arm looked good to me. He wasn’t floating the ball on every throw and it looked like he had pretty good zip on the ball. (Yes I wish we had a stronger armed QB…i.e. Peyton Manning) But you can’t say we lost the game because of CP.
2. TACKLING……there was not one hard hit on any Colt RB, WR, or TE all night. The only Dolphin player to hit a Colt ball carrier hard was Lex Hilliard on kick coverage. Gotta say keeping Lex looks like a smart move. Our safeties and our LBs were horrible.
3. Play Calling……it started with about 1:20 left in the first half. How is it that getting a first down isn’t more important than simply getting into FG range. If you make that first down, you can run the game clock down to 4 seconds and kick the FG and keep Manning & Co off the field completely. Instead you are happy to settle for a 45 yard FG (definitely not a gimme). Imagine if they would have gotten the 1st down or more (I would have been trying to find a way to get a TD since I was on the 25ish yard line with 45 seconds and 2 timeouts). We go into halftime leading either 17-10 or 13-10. That 3 points we gave up to the Colts really changed how that final drive panned out. If we were only down by 1, we could have put ourselves in the position to win the game 26-24. Not to mention we were far too conservative every time we got the ball around the Colts 30 yard line. The OC must have been thinking “ok, we are in FG range, we should be happy”. NO, you attack, attack, and keep attacking….especially when you have a defense worn down!
4. Clock Management……where? Are you kidding me on the first 2 plays of our last drive? Runs???? Wasting over a minute? I have seen teams move 90 yards in the amount of time that we wasted to start that drive. That isn’t even touching on the wasted use of that timeout. How is it that we put ourselves in that position. Pennington should know better, Henning should know better, and Sparano should know better. That is football 101…..develop and practice your 2 minute drill. I realize that CP isn’t Marino or Elway but hell….
5. FGs don’t beat Peyton Manning! You have to go for the juggular with the Colts. On all 4 FG attempts we seemed happy to settle for 3 instead of pushing. I mean really, did it look like the Colts defense could have stopped us? They were so gassed they could barely stand upright and we call plays that run right at their defenders. NO…MAKE THEM RUN AND TACKLE US. Tthey might not have a great defense but I didn’t see as many missed tackles in their 84 plays on defense as I saw by our guys on the 3 Colts TD plays. At least their defense was hitting someone, ours was throwing arms at the ballcarrier as they ran by. We should have kept pressuring their defense and make them stop us….I would rather lose going down swinging than lose the way that we did. We could have gotten away with that type of play calling against 25 other teams in the NFL, but not against the Mannings, the Bradys, the Warners, the Roethlis…whatever his name is.
6. CP did everything that he was asked to do in the game (with the exception of the bad clock management in the final 3 minutes). He was 22-32 which is about 68% completion and he made virtually every 3rd down throw he had. He had a couple deep throws earlier on the game that could have been caught (Fasano’s was tough, Ginn short armed the one in the back of the endzone, and Ginn should have made the one in the end zone with 20 seconds left) but he definitely wasn’t responsible for the loss. Lets get off of CP for this one.
There is a lot of work still to be done by this team. I am pissed, heartbroken, and still fuming over this loss but with being a life long fish fan I can’t say I am surprised. But the blame for this loss lays in several areas.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 22, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
flag football
If the dolphins were playing flag football, maybe we would have won the game. you cant keep missing open field tackles and expect to win any games. Wilson, Bell, Crodwer, and Ayodele. need to watch film of Zach Thomas, and Brock Marion. yes the coveage was bad, but the tackling was worst. Make one stop and we win the game.
by lover of fins on Sep 22, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zach thomas
Cut G.Wilson to make room for Zack, he can teach these guys how to tackle, he is a tackling machine.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BigBlueShoe on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ginn
Why is he getting some of the blame?! He was a #1 draft pick, #9 overall, when you are picked that high you have to make plays, period. If you can’t make those plays then get off the field! He continues to be a bust, there is no argument there! Yes he got catches and yards but its the plays you make that win or lose a game that decide the player you are, and he has never made a game winning, playmaker play.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was picked that high by another regime
What do you want to do with him exactly? Yes, he shouldn’t have been picked that high back in 07…but he was and we have to use him as much as we can. Catching 11 balls in a night to me is not considered a bad performance..As much as I would have liked to see him make that catch, it was the Ds fault to even have the O in that situation. Our coaches know we cant win games marching down the field throwing 30 yard bombs all over the place…we dont have receivers or a QB who can d o that, thats why we ate up the clock and play possession game…if the D would have shown up we would have won.
by Ham420 on Sep 22, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D and Ginn
Right he was picked by another regime and we are stuck with him for now, but dropping two TDs is inexcusable. The first td drop he gave up on the play, get your head in the game and be willing to take a hit. The second td drop i thought he had it knocked away but on the reply he was clearly higher than the defender and had his hands on the ball, but his eyes were closed as he was worried about taking a hit. Remember those years when we had the Marino vs Bledsoe shoot outs, Miami didn’t have the defense to stop NE, and we didn’t have great WRs but Marino got them the ball and they made the plays they needed to in order to win the games. I do agree though that if the defense played more conservative and kept the indy players in front of them, then we would have been able to at least hold them to less big plays and maybe even hold them to field goals. The coaching also contributed to this loss.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not his fault he was picked earlier than he should have been
by Matty I on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed.
to do it over, he probably doesn’t even go in the 1st round. But as a quality speed threat, and developing #2 WR, he is not exactly a “bust”.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibril Wilson
Why is he still on the team this morning? Did he not get his pink slip from Parcells? Tackling is a fundamental requirement of an NFL player, he needs to be cut, find someone else who wants to show up to a game and play!
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 bad game
does not a bad player make.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 bad game
one bad game is all it takes in the NFL. there is no reason to give him another chance to start, stick him on special teams until he proves he can tackle.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.... NFL = Not For Long.....
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson is a good physical safety
sure he missed some key tackles and dropped that interception he had a bad game get over it. He’s still an upgrade over Hill and will make plays for us this season give him some time to come around.
by fins72marino420 on Sep 22, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
sure he missed some key tackles and dropped that interception
He also was not very impressive last week either.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
Poor coaching, the Colts exploited the Dolphins matchup of LBs vs RBs and WRs and TEs. How did you not adjust at halftime at the latest??? They knew the schedule they would face during the season, what did they do all summer and preseason to get ready for these games? Really, what did you do? What was that at the end of the drive!?! You should have that figured out in practice and be ready to go in the game without any problems! Miami will once again be the laughing stock of football as they continue to get embarrased each week.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think we were embarassed
I think we played a tough football game and should have won.
by Ham420 on Sep 22, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Gibril Wilson could at least tackle. I guess not. How did he lead all safeties in tackles last year when he misses tackles all over the place?
Ive been disappointing with Gibril so far…I really liked how they used him in NY when he played NE in the super bowl and i pictured the same thing being done here… Hopefully he and Bell step it up
by Ham420 on Sep 22, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Ginn drops the game winning touchdown right in front of me
I’m done with him and I’m done with the sissy play calling. A real NFL team can make plays down the field.
by NewJerseyphins on Sep 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A. Boldin
From what I heard Miami could have traded a 2nd round pick for him. Wouldn’t you rather have Boldin right now instead of Pat White?
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOLD MOVE
I hope your right with all the draft picks we must have to get Boldin. It would be really nice. I dont think we should give up on Pat White just yet We need him behind our FUTURE QB when pennington is done. I think we should trade Gibril Wilson or one of the Venus sisters HAHAHAHA. Where did you get that rumor from, I hope its from the TUna himself
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat White
Why bring him in the game and change the rhythm of the offense? If you bring him in the game then give him the d*** ball! Otherwise wait until we get a significant lead (unlikely this year) before you bring him in to try him out.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing Loss
So, I think this loss hurt more than most of the Dolphins losses I have seen. Why? Because we had posession of the ball for over 3 QUARTERS in the game, our o-line was dominant most of the time, and we were dominating offensively, yet our defense completely let us down. The D got no pressure all night (at one point we blitzed 7 or 8 players, and none of them got near Manning), our LBs and safties can not cover anything, and as a whole the defense looked totally lost at points. Not to mention that the last 3:00 minutes of the game was the most embarassing “hurry-up” offense (if that is what you want to call it) that I have ever seen. What can we take away from this game though?
We need safety help badly. Look for coaches to quickly get tired of G. Wilson and insert the rook.
We need better LBs. The rushing LBs are not getting pressure, and the can’t cover TEs or even fullbacks. Our MLBs need to be upgraded too. We need some energy better than Akin can bring, and I am sorry but Crowder is one of the stupidest people I have ever listened to. He makes our team lok dumb every time he open his mouth, and he doesn’t follow it up on the field.
Chad Pennington is the “Game Manager”? Maybe we should rethink that title because he was pathetic in the 2 minute drill.
We need a true #1 because Teddy Ginn is at best a good #2 Wideout, but I wish we would use him as a KR/ PR.
All-in-all there is a lot of football still to be played. I look for a change at QB if we 1) lose the next two games or 2) Get to 8 losses. The Wildcat and spread offense could be very effective in the NFL with a QB like Pat White, so let’s hope he figures the NFL out over the next year or so.
by KnoxVegas on Sep 22, 2009 9:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Pennington gave up at the end of the game, looked like a deer in the headlights. Ginn…don’t get me started on Ginn! Pat White needs to either run with the ball or get off the field. Our pass rush is terrible, Ayodele is a joke, bring back Zach Thomas. Lets try the rookie at safety, maybe he knows how to tackle. Why did we do all summer and preseason to get ready for these games? Anything defensively? Have we never run the 2minute drill?
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why they are starting Pat White as
throw first. He needs to make a couple nice runs before the defense will allow him to get a pass off.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sucker went down to the wire
Good game, and during it I realized that I hate the Colts more than I hate the Dolphins. Man, I wanted to see Manning eat turf. Porter got to him a couple times which was good.
We’re all going to have to play the Colts this year.
Beat the Bolts this weekend. It should be a good game.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manning saved himself a massive hit from Porter
by hitting the turn. That just shows how good Manning is.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit the turf like a rag doll.
His “I’m gonna get killed” sense was tingling.
The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.
by SlotMachinePlayer on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only Gibril "I ram my head into shit" Wilson were there in time.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love The Phinsider a lot but
I might not come here after a loss, too many ignorant fans saying ignorant things. Its painful enough to see my team lose, let alone have to hear people blame and bash every member of the team, especially ones who shouldnt be bashed.
by Ham420 on Sep 22, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ricky & Ronnie
Everyone deserves to get blamed for this loss except Ricky and Ronnie who played harder than any other player all week in the NFL. Hats off to them for a great performance. Give them some rest, everyone else needs to get back to work today.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
How about everyone except the entire offense, defensive line, and cornerbacks?
Basically the only people who get blamed for this game are the safeties and coverage LBs for their horrendous job covering Clark. Everybody else played a great game, even by NFL standards.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree....except maybe
For the defensive line. While I don’t blame them, I don’t think that they played exceptionally well. I never really saw a surge against the pass…..and they really weren’t that good against the run. The only reason that the Colts rushing total was so low was because they only ran the ball 10 times….for 58 yards I might add (5.8 per carry for you non mathmatical types). Not to mention they left a gapping hole for Donald Brown, who with the help of our LBs and DBs looked more like Jim Brown on his TD run. So the defensive line only gets a C in my book.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at everyone jumping on us and how sorry we are
Did everyone get a good dose of the “rebulding reality”?
We aren’t sorry, we’re just rebuilding. Did you people think we were gonna go from the 1-15 mess we were in to the 2000-2007 Pats winning 10+ games every year, in just one year?
People get a hold of yourselves. We’re not going 1-15 or 0-16. We were 0-2, 2-4 last year we did fine. We’re gonna end up somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7, because we are rebuilding and we have a VERY tought schedule.
Stop over reaccting and get back with the program Parcells started last year now that you had a reality check.
Honestly, get a hold of yourselves.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
we’re rebuilding, but we’re also good now. The only problem is, like you said, the really tough schedule. I cannot emphasize this more:
Good teams lose to other good teams!
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ty
Which is why I said, we’ll win 7-9 games. In Atlanta our defense played well our offense let us down. This week our Offense played well, our defense let us down.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wins
If you look at the schedule, the Dolphins can compete with all the teams they face and most game will be close within 10pts of a win, but the Dolphins don’t have the playmakers, talent, or coaching to win more than 6 game this year. Remember New Orleans a few years ago, had that turn around year, then flopped the following year because of the difficult schedule.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think the games will all be close
how can you then state we can’t win more than 6? Chad Pennington proved last year that The Dolphins are capable of winning a lot of close games. That’s just how we play. We try to get up by 7 and control the clock for the rest of the game.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a realistic win/loss is between 7-9 wins this year.
Last year was an abomination in which everything went right. Teams don’t go from 1-15 to 11-5 overnight…..it just doesn’t happen.
I’d be happy with an 8 win season this year, as long as we continue to improve with the way we play.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neo....come on
You don’t honestly think our defense played well against the Falcons do you. The only thing we did well in that game was stop the run. Our coverage was horrible. Bad throws on 3 occassions are the only thing that kept the score even respectable. Ryan missed a wide open Roddy White (Sean Smith was on the coverage) for an easy TD in the 1st QTR. He missed another wide open receiver going down the middle for a second TD in the 2nd Qtr. The bottom line was that we were lucky we didn’t get blown out. The passing numbers would have been far worse had Ryan been anywhere near accurate. Our front line didn’t really pressure Ryan at all (2 sacks for 3 yards total) and he had way too much time.
There is a lot to build on. Our CB coverage was much better against the Colts. But the LBs and safety play was horrible.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your shield of a rebuilding team is an embarressing excuse
We have a title right now. The only acceptable excuse is like Joel said: Good teams lose to other good teams.
I don’t think I’ve ever met someone with a title say… I’m not so good you take it.
by metalhead86 on Sep 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a idiotic reply.....the team is rebuilding, its a young team.
Even if it is a good young team.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your shield of a rebuilding team is an embarressing excuse
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL….wait for it….. wait for it…..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL..hold on a sec..give me a minute….ok…..LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Dude what did Wayne bring in Parcells to do just last year?
What did Parcells do from GM all the way down, just last year?
Just last year alone did we not let go of all the QBs on our roster, let go of the likes of Zach Thomas and JT? How many Starters on the O-line were here in 07? Hell, how many starters on offense and defense were here on 07?
You are so in denial.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is rebuilding as much as every other team in the NFL
Rebuilding is an excuse that defending division champions shouldn’t be using. The phins have only 4 new starters that were not on the roster in ’08 and they won the division last year. Each of those new starters are supposedly better than the players they replaced. That is hardly rebuilding
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is not an excuse
Its a reality. Just like 1-15 was a reality.
only 4 new starters that were not on the roster in ’08 and they won the division last year
Wanna talk about last year? What was our record after 2 games last year? How bout after 4 games last year?
All I hear, division champs, division champs, division champs. We won the division by total luck of a weak schedule and a tie breaker.
Parcells cut more than half the team and all the front office. Get players in there that has played a couple years together and in the same system, then come to me about we are not rebuilding.
Thats the problem with most people on here, everyone was up for rebuilding when Parcells came, but now we had a fairy tale season, its why aren’t we winning now? and WIN NOW WIN NOW!
You know what, yea we were division champs last year, and we were also 1-15 the year before. That makes up 7-9 win team this year.
Get over it, we’re rebuilding.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep Neo, I agree!
Everything that has gone wrong the first two games is because of rebuilding. I feel so much better now. Thanks.
Fasano fumbling twice in Atl. That’s rebuilding. Gibril Wilson missing tackles last night. That’s rebuilding. Ted Ginn dropping 3 passes. Rebuilding.
Yet the NYJ with a new coach, 5 new defensive starters, a new rookie QB, a new WR are 2-0 and their defense hasn’t given up a TD yet. Are they rebuilding? They didn’t make the playoffs last year did they? Shouldn’t they be rebuiding too? When the phins were 1-15 in ‘07, weren’t they 4-12? I didn’t realize that winning 4 games (2 against the phins mind you) could have put them in such a superior position talent wise that they wouldn’t have to rebuild.
Rebuilding is a crutch. An excuse bad teams use when they play poorly. Any team or front office or fan base who uses that excuse don’t understand football in today’s NFL. All teams, even the very good ones, turn over their rosters by 15-20% every year, yet those teams don’t rebuild.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
How many high priced FAs did the Jets bring in over the past 2 years? Last year didn’t we all agree the Jets brought in all the FAs (mostly overpaid) and Brett Farve to do what? WIN NOW.
Mind you I told you last year we were a rebuilding team. Even when we WERE WINNING.
All teams, even the very good ones
Well guess what, now you might wanna sit down for this.
We’re not very good
Don’t let a very weak schedule and gimmick plays trick you into think we’re more of a 11-5 team than a 1-15, because we aren’t.
Damn everyone wants to look at last year, but not the year before.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Everything can’t be microwaved and finished in 30 secs.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
Yea, we are playing badly. We wer 0-2 last years, 2-4 before we really got all the players on the same page.
It takes time, we’ll be fine. I know it hurts, but don’t tell me we don’t aren’t rebuilding, I’m not listening to that.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will have to agree to disagree on this
Rebuilding is a non-existent process IMO. Teams are constantly tweeking rosters to get better, even during the season. With the combination of good drafting and good free agent signings, bad teams can become good in one year, not many.
As for the Dolphins not being very good. You may be right. But, IMO, they are at the same level as 20-25 other teams. All of these teams will finish between 5-11 and 11-5. There is no reason why this team with its current roster can’t be one of those 11-5 teams. They have the same talent as the rest, so why not.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tweaking
and cutting more than half of your roster from the previous year and two different ball games.
Rebuilding is real, but I don’t think it takes a full 3 years to finish, that’s just a tactic coaches use to lengthen their tenure. We need to be completely legitimate by the end of the season, which I still think we will be. In fact, I think we are legitimate, just not New Orleans Saints legitimate. We’re a pretty good team with a very tough division that should be 1-1 right now.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true
We were in VERY BAD shape when Parcells got here, I would be totally satified if we’re 8-8 and Henne is doing well at the end of the season after where we came from and the shedule we played.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure we can agree to disagree but if you wanna know
They have the same talent as the rest, so why not.
I posted this before, playing teams like SF, Oak, and STL, is totally different from playing ATL, Indy, and SD. And thats just for starters.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'm gonna disagree a bit
i agree with the characterization that we are still in “rebuilding mode” – to a degree.
We are mostly “rebuilt”, and we are not a “bad” team. We have weakness at WR, possibly the secondary (i reserve judgment on this until i see clemons play, and some more from davis and smith). We need to upgrade our LBs through the draft, and i just don’t get STs… i mean, we have the players, i think it is the coaching.
AND, we probably still need to address NT in the offseason, unless Soliai really turns it up this season.
And of course, QB is still unsettled, and could possibly be a real issue if it turns out that Henne is not the answer.
But in almost all other areas, we have young talent that will probably develop nicely, and we have decent depth in areas that we were very thin last season.
Unfortunately, those areas were we need help are areas that stick out like a sore thumb. With a solid #1 WR, and a big armed QB, we would look 100% better.
That said, i think we are good.. not great, but good. I also think that even with the tougher schedule (we could have won that game last night), we can hang with every team on it. But we need to fix some things right away, or we are going to lose a lot of “winnable” games.
(where the hell is Pat Turner?!)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Solai
needs to be tested too. Unfortunately, it’s kind of hard to test out our developing players when our schedule is harder than Rzayo at a Cher concert.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
pretty sure he goes more for the CP10 type.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice post and you get a thumbs up from me
so in effect they are rebuilding… when you have issues at QB/WR/LB and very young corners….
but i have to wonder why Bono is still around – seriously they have the worst special teams coach in the division…
and it’s not even close.
where was pat turner – where the heck is J Allen… are you telling me he would have been worse against Clark…
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to make a case for him,
and I’m sure as hell not doing it pro Bono.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 23, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's likely i'm just a nit who likes really stupid things
but thought about this lil joke at work today and it cracked me up again…
smartest thing posted round her in ages.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the props brutha fin fan
yes, we are rebuilding when you have issues at those positions. agreed.
but i think we are not so far away. we may have the QB, which is why i so desperately want to see them put henne in.
we probably do not have the WR (i never thought it would be Ginn). and our LBs have sucked, but I think they are actually better than they have played so far.
Solid point about J.Allen… the forgotten man… i know I forgot about him. He certainly should be able to cover a TE, right?
I think that might be the best idea I have heard yet to solve that problem. our hybrid CB/FS/SS.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've forgotten
who are we talking about ???
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with this.
This is what I’ve been saying the last couple months. There are still a lot of areas the team still has to work on. We are a good team, we’ve shown that we can play hard and go toe to toe with tough teams, but we still have some things that we need to get fixed. The average rebuilding time for a team is 3 years, and we got spoiled by a phenomenal season last year, and people are forgetting that we still have areas we need to upgrade.
We need more playmakers at WR as nobody has stepped up to be a true #1 yet. We need to start grooming people to replace our pass rush, who unfortunately is getting older and may not be around much longer. The safety position has been looking questionable so far, but Wilson may just need some time yet. We addressed our corners and got some future wideouts in the draft this year, but that’s not all we needed to work on.
"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue
I can't brain today, I have the dumb.
28 "Phinsider Feud" Points
by Chupathingy on Sep 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop Blaming Ginn!!
I thought he played real well to be honest with everyone. Ran great routes, made some big 3rd down catches for us. That touchdown would have been caught by MAYBE one or 2 receivers in the whole league. His arms were getting completely yanked the entire time he had no control of his arms or his hands there, it was almost an impossible ball to catch. The ones to blame are, in order:Sparano and his clock management, the pass rush, the linebackers. Sean Smith played a hell of a game, and Matty you are right, the Pat White stuff is just plain out weird now. Kills momentum, nothing happens. As for the last thing on my mind, where the hell was Davone Bess?? He wasn’t even on the field it seemed most of the game, why isnt he in every play?
by captain flitzy on Sep 22, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction:
Gibril Wilson and his lack of TE covering/tackling skills, Dan Henning and his questionable call to run twice in a row during the 2-minute drill, and that’s about it.
As for Pat White, Sparano is giving him in game experience for next year. The same thing a lot of people are saying Henne needs, but I think the FO likes Pat White as our starter next year and not Henne. Pat White needs to keep seeing the field in order to get better. I just wish we’d put him in on FIRST downs and not 2nd & 5s.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on a comment by the announcers last night,
it also seems like they are trying to get an early idea of how teams are going to defend when White is out there and use that to help figure out how they want to use him.
"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue
I can't brain today, I have the dumb.
28 "Phinsider Feud" Points
by Chupathingy on Sep 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If thats the case, they should probably run a different play....
with White later in the game. It doesn’t matter if Indy and Atlanta show a certain coverage when White goes in…..if we are playing New England…
so I don’t get it.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't say it made sense.
That’s just what I heard them say during the game last night.
"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue
I can't brain today, I have the dumb.
28 "Phinsider Feud" Points
by Chupathingy on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i'm not really sure what they are doing either
BUT, the GOOD news is that every other D coord in the league is probably just as confused as we are.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bess
I agree maybe if it were Bess who was in the endzone instead of Ginn he would have made the catch. What happened to Patrick Turner being the redzone threat? Another Parcells receiver bust like Wolford?
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turner just isn't game ready yet
Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline are light years ahead in their development. Turner is raw talent, and may not see the field until the end of the year
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hartline needs to step up.
I want to see him deep in the end zone at some point.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hartline
he is already way ahead of where ginn was as a rookie, give him a few more games and he will be making more plays once he gets used to the game speed.
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's got better hands, but he's not nearly as fast.
Hartline is a good route runner, and he gets out of his cuts a lot faster than Ginn. He just doesn’t have that blazing straight line speed.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hartline looks like improvement
I didnt really like Hartline at first but I see lots of potential from the guy. I think he could be this teams welker if he works on it
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hartline is bigger and faster than cammy or bess.
he is not #1, but he should be an upgrade at #2 if he can prove reliable.
cammy and bess should be #3-4.
Ginn does not measure up as a #1. ideally, he is a #2 or slot guy, and Turner is #1, but we don’t seem to have much luck finding the big, physical WR these day. (Wilford, London, Turner).
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I’d rather see Ginn as a #1 and Hartline as a #2 right now, since Turner isn’t up to snuff.
I’m not saying don’t put Camarillo or Bess in, because they are awesome, but I want to see Ginn and Hartline on the field at the same time.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bess doesn't make it to the end zone that fast.
WTF people. I don’t know the exact times, but I know Ginn runs a 40 about .2-.3 seconds faster than Bess!
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea..
not saying Bess for that play, just in general. He was a non factor, and I dont think its his fault. He really wasnt on the field, where can i see how many plays he played?
by captain flitzy on Sep 22, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bess runs a 4.7
ginn runs a sub 4.4
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bess..
has glue on his gloves
by captain flitzy on Sep 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bess is quick
Ginn is “Fast”….though I really haven’t seen any real sign of that speed. Bess is like Welker, 2 steps and he is at full speed, which isn’t necessarily fast but he gets open quickly and finds the zones and seams.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not fast enough to be a return man
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really really dont understand how we dont go for it on 4th and 1
when your options are Ronnie, Ricky, Lou Polite or a QB sneak, guess what any of them would have worked with the way we were running.
why dont you pass on 3and 6 and 3 and 7? you’ve converted 70% of your 3rd downs, mainly because of Penny throwing to Ginn.
You cant settle for FGs ever, especially against the Colts
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by Patssuck456 on Sep 22, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
1000% beat that Joel
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..I know it was a heat of the moment comment...but and I quote Matthew after Ginn drop
now i hate ted ginn
Phinsider Hall of Fame Class of 09' / 2-Time 09' Matty Award Winner
by Rzayo24 on Sep 22, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Gates
Do the Dolphins have anyone who can cover Gates?
by wu1sabes on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
very clever! i like it.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best yet
Nice one…..what can you do for an encore?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Chris Clemons
needs to get at least 1 series to try it out.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gut checks for the team
Week 1: Offense gut check
Week 2: Defense gut check
Orange jersery wouldn’t help if worn…just remember we started 0-2 last season…Believe in Now for the rest of the season
p.s.-Check back in a week with me though…
by Flss16 on Sep 22, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Get off the ledge.... :)
Guys we aren’t playing all too bad. The problem is, when the offense is clicking, the defense is sleeping, and vice versa.
Sooner or later we’ll come together at the same time, but we aren’t the 11-5 team from last season. We’re actually better, with a harder schedule, and will have a realistic 2nd year rebuilding outcome…
Enjoy it…this team is growing for the future.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need playmakers
Our offensive line did really well Im proud of them!! Our defensive line did great!! our Inside lineback needs more speed I wish we could have gotten Rey Maualuga instead of Pat White , Rey is a dominant inside in the run and pass coverage and is not afraid to hit.
I think we should move ginn to slot because he is really quick and put patrick turner as the first reciever because he is big, physical and has hands. OR PLEASE Mr. TUNA trade for ANQUAN BOLDIN to be our #1 reciever.
I like Pennington but the late in the fourth quarter I did not see leadership at ALL on the last 3 minutes, He was too slow to the hurry up offense, he didnt tell his team to get up quickly and his time management was poor. What the HELLLLL were they thinkin of running the ball? Ronnie Brown and Ricky you would think they’ve been running the ball ALL game and they are a little fatigued, you need to do QUICK SLANTS.
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I've been on the Boldin Bandwagon....
His Hammy issues are constant…. I’m not so sure I’m on that band wagon anymore.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need a guy that can get em the ball down the field.
CP made some good throws last night when he had time to set his feet, but generally he can not get any zip on the ball, even to thread it into tight spots or out routes.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't rehash this argument
But Penne played well last night. Even if he did look like a deer in headlights…that could have been his “intense” look :)
He obviously can throw some bombs 40-50 yards….nothing more. But we never call those plays. Also, on a few of the WR screens, I agree…the ball didn’t get there fast enough.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually was not complaining about CP - Agreed, he did his job last night (mostly).
i was just saying that upgrading at WR won’t help much when the routes are limited by the QB.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And limited by the play calling...
CP has shown he can throw a 40-50 yard pass easily… and really the completion percentages on passes over 20 yards just drops drastically.
I’m more concerned with the bubble screens..the ball takes too long to get there, the D can read and react too fast.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but it is not all play calling.
there was one play last night (it is hard to see them on the TV angles) that we had a guy WIDE OPEN across the middle – i think it was Fasano. And CP checked down to a short outside pass. now he got the first down, but the guy in the middle would have been a 20yd pass, plus some amount of YAC if he hits him in stride.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that play....
I think the TE came CP went thru his progressions…. You could see a LB moving off to the side, so when CP was throwing the ball they guy came open, but he wasn’t open at the time.
On that same play, there was another WR that ran a hook or curl on the left that was wide open too…. but you can’t tell if they were open when CP was looking in their direction.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked wide open before CP locked onto bess
but cp didn’t see it.
i could be wrong though, since i don’t have game tape to review. =)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the game from last night taped :)
I swear I saw a LB right in front of that receiver as he was coming across the field…. then as he turned to dump it off, the receiver ran into the open with noone within 10-15 yards of him.
But, I’d have to look again.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, i think we are saying the same thing.
i am saying I thought the guy was really open. not just because the D started moving towards CP’s checkdown.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually noticed that as well
on a couple of plays it looked like our receivers were running free up the middle offensively we need to take shots down the field early in the game not just when we have to catch up. I’m afraid our offense is getting way to comfortable with the check downs and instead of trying to win the game we’re to worried about losing the game. WAY to conservative with the play calls.
by fins72marino420 on Sep 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We took early shots down field last year,
but a lot of them were to David Martin and Patrick Cobbs because Ginn pulls double coverage.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think it's the play calling.
i think CP:
1) was a little quick on the trigger in his reads because of last week, and
2) he also has a tendency to want to take the closer receiver because he lacks the velocity to get it downfield quickly. the farther the ball goes, the more time DBs have to react and there is a point at which his passes are too slow to get to the WR.
There is a reason he is the most accurate QB in the world.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, most QBs can set there feet and throw the ball that distance.
that says nothing about his arm strength. the real test is how quick can he get it in there. that one pass batted down by the LB should have been a pick 6, and would have been if it had been a DB. the ball floats when he throws it, and unless a WR has a lot of separation, the defende has time to close when the ball is in the air. Even Boldin would not help that.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that was on display on the pass to Fasano
A little more zip on that pass keeps the safety off Fasano’s back. If the pass is thrown more on a line, it might not have sailed. Lot’s of if’s on some of those long throws that good QB / WR combinations would usually hit on.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I have to say that pass to Fasano, (where he dropped it) was one of the better thrown balls by Pennington. That was a “rope” for him and was put in exactly where it needed to be. Lets not forget that Fasano isn’t a burner and most any safety would have closed on Fasano.
CP floats alot of balls, I just don’t think the one to Fasano was one of them. I do think that he struggles on the quick screen. I have noticed he puts the ball way too high for that to be effective. Those need to be chest-waist level so they can run as they catch the ball.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of blame to go around
But no big surprise about Wilson. I’ve been saying for a while now that I think he is the week link in the secondary.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is time to re-evaluate the defensive coverage schemes
So far in two games, us fans have seen where the glaring weakness is in the defensive coverage schemes. The LB’s and Safeties simply cannot cover the TE’s and RB’s of the opposing teams. Frankly it is something that a lot of us on this site have talked about, even prior to the season.
Matty states above that coaching is somewhat to blame for this because Crowder can’t cover Clark (or Brown or Gonzalez or Gates or anyone). But this regime has signed Crowder long term, even knowing these limitations. The regime also committed long term contracts to both Bell and Wilson. From what I have seen, neither of those guys can cover (or tackle) as well.
So what do they do to improve the situation? IMO, stop putting these guys in a position to fail. I suggest running a somewhat unconventional defense. Take either Crowder or Adoyele off the field and play Davis. Run a 3-3-5 defense, monster back scheme. Use Davis as the Monster Back and have him cover the TE. This defense will probably make opponents run the ball more, but you have 2 safeties that are strong in run support (supposedly) and Davis does not shy away from tackling.
They have to do something different. Denver for years used Champ Bailey to cover Tony Gonzalez all over the field when they played KC. Why couldn’t the Phins use Davis the same way? Whatever they do, they cannot allow huge chuncks of yards to TE’s in the passing game. And for 2 games that is exactly what they have done.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, TEs
and the deep safety. Wilson should be backup for the DBs and support for the LBs. There is NO WAY that a TE should be able to beat our guys deep. That’s why they call him a “safety”, because he is there just in case a guy gets by the man defenders.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ man defenders
I know what you meant, but it sounded funny in my head.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn!
sometimes i just type before i think. that’s just wrong.
lord, i apologize, and be with the starvin pygmies in new guinea
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LLLLLOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!
Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"
by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the sound of that. He could use the time and like you said he's not afraid to get a hit on someone. plus he definately has the quicks to support the run defense
and cover any TE in the NFL.
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have culver for SS and clemons for FS
bell plays solid SS, and personally, i think wilson is better in the box. Any of those guys should be able to cover a TE. even gonzo.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
I agree with you on Davis. They should put Davis on the field the same time as SMITH, and BELL and find a replacement for the tackless Wilson. Davis is a physical BEAST against the run and can cover the tightend
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i think it might be time to take a clemons out for a test drive.
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, yes, yes.
I’m surprised there wasn’t more of a debate on whether Clemons should start during the offseason. He looked good during OTAs, training camp and exhibition games…
And yes, I know you were against signing Wilson, but I’m saying there should have at least been a real debate on the merits of starting Clemons.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*As opposed to a debate on whether
Gibril is good or not.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't against the signing
but just like Green, if you bring em in and the don’t perform, get somebody else.
Wilson just isn’t performing and I always had concerns about his ability to react quickly from the middle of the field.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you would have told me yesterday
that the Fins would dominate the TOP 3:1, that they would have over 230 yds rushing, and only turn the ball over once, and scored 23 points, I would have told you that was a guaranteed win.
What the hell?
The D lost this game for us, and they didn’t play bad expect on about 3 plays. And Wilson should have been involved in stopping two of them.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you told me me the TOP was 3:1, with 230 yds rushing, and 1 TO
I’d have said we scored at least 35 points……… too many FGs.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, woulda been nice to score more, and we should have had at least one more TD
but 3 friggin plays man! that is the difference in this game, and falls squarely on our D.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going for it on 4th and 1 hurt us too.
The Colts were already showing that they were going to score regardless of where they got the ball.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, we shoulda run it out.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time of Possession is becoming meaningless stat
What good is controlling the football when you do nothing with it? Long drives need to end in TD’s, not 40 yd FG’s. Football today in the NFL is about quick strike, big play making abilities. And the Phins are severly lacking in that ability.
by ct1361 on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't need to be about quick strikes at all,
so long as you finish your drives and your defense doesn’t allow points on every possession.
If you’re ahead and don’t allow the other team to see the ball, then you’re going to win. That’s what TOP is all about and it’s still quite valid.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in.....
The Colts just scored again……
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though we lost
I think this game legitimizes the Miami Dolphins. We’re here, you can’t ignore us and you can’t shrug us off. You have to deal with us.
We also lost to one of the best QB’s in history, doing what he does to everyone else. Manning is far more effective than most NFL offenses can ever hope to be. I don’t feel bad about that. We made great improvements over week 1, and I think we’ll keep on improving. A lot to work on, but we’ll get there!
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Sep 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Now that everyone has finished venting can we all agree that we have alot of work to do to become a more consistent team on both offense and defense.
We can only play to the abilities of the players we have now. Yes it’s true, we don’t have that true number one receiver but, we still won the division last year, easy schedule or not. They were all NFL teams and we proved that either team can win on any given Sunday. No matter how much there the under dog. We all, including myself need to stop the hate and jump back on that BIG BLACK R&R Train and have some kool-aid because if out of any of the negatives. Them Mo-fo’s F*^% some ShT up last night. Which leaves me to this that no matter what peopple say about the wildcat, with the right team running it. It’s legit just as MY MIAMI DOLPHINS are and we proved it last night. Yes we should’ve won but, we competed to the best of our abilities against one of the top teams in football and give this regieme time they will fix the problems. Look what happened in just one week. Come drink the KOOL -AID kid’s there’s plenty to go around.
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 22, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, yes.
well said.
actually, as sad as it was to lose the game (and to have my wife, the colts fan, in my face), i REALLY liked our running game. I love Ricky, and Ronnie is a beast. I really liked seeing him stiff arm two guys to the GROUND on ONE play!
And li’l cornCobbs… that boy was out there blocking, as well as running.
the base WC ran well, our backs ran well…. we had an awesome ground game.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMFG that double stiff arm play by Ronnie
was AMAZING! He should have lost 4 yards, but gained 1 instead! I am starting to come aboard the re-sign-Ronnie-Brown-to-an-amazing contract bandwagon. If he can do this consistently over the next few weeks, I will consider him a proven commodity.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this were middle school,
I would have needed a notebook to cover my crotch.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean one of those little, tiny notepads?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They made it especially for me.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, i agree with you Matty
and I share your pain.
i have a suggestion for the D:
Wilson makes the DB calls, and the communication is an area that creates problems when swapping safeties.
So instead of pulling Wilson out, leave him in and on our nickle coverages move him to corner or SS and bring Clemons in as deep coverage. Wilson has the speed, to play corner, though i don’t have confidence in his coverage skills yet… i don’t know if he could handle it. But Bell is almost a LB in how hard he hits, so maybe put him in that role sometimes.
But i think if you get Wilson at SS to make the calls, and a better deep cover guy, you can fix this issue. I just would hate to see it come at the expense of Bell. i think you gotta keep him on the field.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Long did alot better tonight. Our O-line wasn’t the problem.”
He had a lot of help. He has stunk in the LAST 3 games they’ve played. (RAVENS, FALCONS, COLTS, and I’ll toss in TAMPA Exhibition if you’d like)
“Jason Allen was not a Parcells pick, get your facts right.”
Didn’t say he was. Re read. He is on the team…STILL…that’s a Parcell’s decision.
“And ur judging Pat white after 2 regular season games, which he is only in on a few snaps.”
Gee, this is for real, PRO FOOTBALL. If he isn’t ready, he shouldn’t be out there. This is not the preseason. When did you want to judge him, after he loses a few hundred yards total by end of season?? lol
“And WIlson only after 2 games.”
Wilson stunk in Oakland and stinks here.
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who are you talking to?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
He was talking to me. I would respond, but he is too far out there.
He is blaming Parcells and his personal moves, he wants to go back to Whanny and Spielman. I’ll try to talk some sense to him when he comes back to earth.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, you agree then, that it is time to lock CP up to a contract extension
b4 someone grabs him in the offseason?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout a little contract?
just to continue teaching Henne how to manage the game?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*Pat White
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
k
If he manages from the bench. K but after 2 years I think Henne is gonna learn all he needs from Penne
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 22, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, i am being facetious.
get real.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow some really interesting opinions.
First off….all offensive linemen have help. There is generally an extra offensive lineman on every pass….sometimes two when the TE stays in to block. Go back and look at the game again and see what Long was doing on the running plays. You will be pleasantly surprised. Also realize that Dwight Freeney gives every LT a hard time and goes to show why you cheat and keep the RB there for an extra pickup.
The comment about Pat White…..come on, that is one of the dumbest statement I have ever heard. There is a transition period from the college level to the pros, especially at the QB position, just like there is a transition from high school to college. The speed of the game drastically increases. That is especially hard for a QB that relies on his athletisism more than his arm or mental ability (not a knock on Pat, speaking more for the traditional QB that goes through their progressions/reads). So to honestly say that if he isn’t ready, he shouldn’t be there, is nuts. How many rookies do you actually think are "game ready’?
Wilson….well I can’t say that I disagree with you on that assessment. Though I can’t say that I watched any Raider games last year if there was another choice. I hate that team with a passion and would rather go and cut my toes off, one by one, than watch the Raiders play.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't Have Agreed More
You basically summed up my thoughts. So frustrating. Its time to move on though. We don’t have the time to let this get to us. We have a tough schedule and need to stay focused.
by DaBlizad260 on Sep 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dolphins Game
I was at the game I was disapointed on how porrly the defense played especially on Mannings first touchdown pass. I liked how the fins ran the ball but all the big running plays came for the wildcat. There still wasn’t any running holes through the middle in the base offense. We know that some teams will be able to stop the wildcat so we need more chunks of yards in the running game coming from the base offense. One thing i noticed they kept looking for Dalas clark and the right side of the defense. Hopefully we play as good against the chargers on sunday and avoid a 0-3 start. Oh one more thing, the wildpat isn’t working except for losing down and momentum.
by dolphins2010 on Sep 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rebuilding
It’s a frustrating time for all Dolphin fans today. I think whatever our personal opinions are, we need to realize that from day one the consensus was that it was a 3 year rebuilding plan. We are in game two of the 2nd year. They’ve made, in my opinion, some questionable personnel decisions (Wilford was on the team until about an hour ago it seems), but they can only do so much and most of the draft picks are playing and doing pretty well. I think the corners will be All Pro eventually.
The Matt Ryan thing will be discussed forever. It wasn’t much of a gamble to take him, the consensus by virtually all the scouts was that he was the real deal. And franchise QBs just don’t come along very often. But what is done is done.
The “bend but don’t break” defense has been a staple in Miami for way too long, this team has got budding QB problems if Henne can’t step up, Williams has got one year left and Taylor and Porter are about 57 years old. So there are many things still to address and it will be interesting to see what next year’s draft brings.
Let’s just hope they continue to make strong draft decisions and do a bit more in free agency than they have thus far. I certainly don’t see them going to the playoffs with this pass defense but by season’s end future superstars like Smith will be much more experienced and hopefully the O Line will be playing more in sync.
If the games get too far away from us four or five games in, we’ll probably see Henne and this year may be the year we get a glimpse of whether there is a future there or not as well. So there is still much to find out. Locking up CP for more years is forestalling the inevitable IMHO.
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously, after th Cam moron year
this is minor league frustrating. I am just glad we are competing and not pitied.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
franchise QBs are coming along at a much higher rate than they used to (since High School teams are starting to throw more and it has translated to college and now the NFL). Case in point Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, Mark Sanchez, Matthew Stafford…
I still agree with most of the points though.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my issue is the fact that the fins raise my hopes...but then dash them ...should be used to it I guess
Phin fan from Germany
by tuscanitunr on Sep 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're going to blast Wilson, you might as well hit up Bell too.
Yes, Wilson should have made the tackle on the first play of the game. Yeremiah Bell should have also been in on that play as well, but misplayed the pass and took himself out of the play. As for the other missed tackle you mention, I don’t blame Wilson completely for that one. Sean Smith helped him out on that one getting blocked into him and knocking him off of Brown. Who had a better shot was, Nathan Jones at the 3 yard line, and he wiffed.
The last 2 minutes were a horrible combination of CP10’s inability to manage the clock, and the OCs horrible play calling. Who calls 3 run plays in the 2 min drill?
I don’t blame the offense for the loss, as it clearly was the defenses. But we left too many points on the field. That 23 points should have been over 30.
Our DC better figure out a way to blitz effectively, otherwise having JT and JP means nothing. If we can’t figure out how to defend TEs and RBs out in the flat, we are in for a very long and miserable season. Our LB and S cover skills are a huge liability.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible play calling,
but CP10 has shown a great ability in managing the clock up until this point.
Who called the timeout when Indy had an injured man on the field, CP10 or Sparano? The answer to that question will tell us who was making the calls during the 2-minute drill.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. based on last year, i really thought we had a chance with 3+ mins left and two TOs
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so did I
OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
"if something goes bad, I did it. If something goes semi-good, we did it. If something goes good, you did it. Thats all you need to do for guys to win football games for you."- Unknown
by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And I just read that Crowder had a total of one tackle…
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
I have faith in Sparano but Matty’s got a great point about putting your players in bad positions. My biggest complaint of this game is that the coaches didn’t adapt to how it was moving: they ain’t stopping us and we’re not stopping them. At the end of the half, under a minute left, 4th-and-1 and you don’t go for it? Colt’s D hadn’t stopped anything yet their offense had already had a 12 second scoring drive. Even if you’re going to settle for the field goal, run a few more plays and don’t give manning a chance. I couldn’t believe they settled in that position knowing full well who they were up against (and having it in their faces for a full half).
Also, I do blame Ginn, though he had a terrific game overall. It would have been an amazing catch had he made it, but because of what it meant to us, not because it took physical gifts to make it. Game on the line, you’re in the end zone, ball hits both your hands and your face mask and you’re listed as a receiver: you make that catch, no excuses. The first "almost touchdown should have pass interference as the first CB that released him to the safety gave him an arm bar as he did so, slowing him down. That extra step could have been the difference in getting 6.
by Scallywag McGee on Sep 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that 4th and 1 really set a precedent for the game.
Terrible clock management.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely agree with everything
This is a great post Matty I. There is blame to go around and i think you got everything evenly. Can’t agree with you more on the clock management. If it was Pennington calling the plays, then I’m sorry, but he deserves a lot of the blame. I’m really starting to question the ability of Chad Pennington to lead us back when it matters. As soon as we cheaped out and played for the field goal to make it 23-20, i believed the game was over. Sparano apparently assumed that Peyton Manning couldn’t lead them to a touchdown. I don’t understand what makes Sparano make such a soft decision.
by Crazysimon on Sep 22, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
We settled for a field goal TWICE when we should have gone for it. Terrible decisions.
As for CP10, you said "If it was Pennington calling the plays, then I’m sorry, but he deserves a lot of the blame. ", but then went on to bash Pennington as if there was no longer any doubt who was calling the plays. It is not Pennington’s decision to take a field goal there, I guarantee that.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More TDs
FGs dont cut it with INDY and with the schedule weve got coming up, it still wont cut it, the offense will still need to step it up
by mikexmen84 on Sep 22, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those field goals were poor calls
by Sparano.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im so damn mad
I actually woke my kid up screaming at the tv telling the D to get out of the blitz at those last few plays…they telegraphed that 2 plays in a row I believe…grrrrrrrrrrrrr…
Phin fan from Germany
by tuscanitunr on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You weren't that mad or you would have kicked your neighbors dog.
I’m going to need you to vamp up your frustrations a little….
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHAHA....too funny
Phin fan from Germany
by tuscanitunr on Sep 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im still scratching my head...
Im still wondering how we were able to keep Manning off the field for so long…and then get embarrassed with a minimal(but big) amount of plays by him.
Phin fan from Germany
by tuscanitunr on Sep 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dunno if anyone else saw it...
Anyone else see Ginn always diving out of bounds?? Ive been hearing about him doing it, so when I was able to see him catch the ball I was watching…wow…I was yelling at hime to make some moves instead of going out of bounds all the time…although I wasnt paying attention to the time clock…so maybe it was that….
Phin fan from Germany
by tuscanitunr on Sep 22, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TRUE ALL THE WAY
Damn I noticed it also. I think Ginn is a WEENIE after he catches the ball. I bet he has good yards while catching but after the catch I bet he has no yards. I kept seeing him jump out of bounds or he catches and goes to the ground quickly. Ive never seen him catch and run, thats why im falling down his band wagon and the catch in the endzone in the 4th quarter the defender did an ok job but the defender not touched the ball it was Ginn all the way. GROW SOME BALLS and go forward with the ball.
but all in all Im still a fan just wish you can man the hell up
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be because he's so small,
and will get injured if he takes a full hit from a free safety. Just like Manning took a dive when Joey Porter was rounding home, Ginn needs to stay healthy. He isn’t going to break tackles in the NFL.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn can be arm tackled with ease.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
by Tunaflipper on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know, i have been one of the bigger Ginn critics
and largely for that same reason.
however, in all honesty, i saw much less of that from him last night than last season. and believe me, i watch for that with him, because i have a WHOLE list of phrases i like to use the next day (folded like origami, crumpled like wrapping paper on Christmas morning, dropped like a lead zeppelin, played with the guts of the Iraqi army defending Baghdad, etc, etc.).
My point is that he looks like he is playing a bit better than last year. but it’s just one game. after all, i didn’t even see him in the falcons game. i don’t even think he was there.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand how we can expect the D
to beat Peyton Manning. Gibril Wilson and Bell are run stoppers. We have rookie corners rotating. Will Allen is above average in cover, not elite nor great. Channing Crowder and Ayodele might as well be clones of each other: tackling machines but rarely come up with interceptions. And our pass rush was getting hands on Peyton. They even forced a few 3 and outs.
Expecting them to win against Manning is… well, kind of stupid.
The offense, to me, had every opportunity to win this game. We dominated time of possession. We dominated the ground game. Chad Pennington was his usual accurate self. We could have dominated the scoreboard if Fasano and Ginn catch those 3 catchable passes. If Pennington puts the ball where they can get their hands on it then it should be caught.
Blame the D all you want – that’s fine. But the true reason we lost is in the hands of Ginn and Fasano not making plays in the end zone.
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by DolfinPhan on Sep 22, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can't claim that the offense
can dominate to beat Peyton Manning when you just said that Peyton Manning is going to wipe the floor with our defense. Unless you force a turnover or get an extra stop on defense, you cannot win, period. Every team gets the same amount of chances in a game +/- 1.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing
the D shouldn’t be expected to win this game. It was up to the offense. Everyone but ginn and the usually sure handed fasano were the culprits behind the L.
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by DolfinPhan on Sep 23, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should never had been in the position
to have to win the game with 3 min to go. We held the ball for over 3/4 of the game. The way the defense played I am afraid that even if we had marched down the field and scored and left even 30 seconds on the clock that Manning would have just gone right down the field on us again. I cant believe that they held the ball for even 14 min. It seems as if every drive they had lasted like a min.
by texascowpunk on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am confused by anyone who says that letting an opposing team score 27 points in 15 mins
is NOT a problem with the D.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that the norm??
2 for 1 right? That’s what we want. 2 points for every minute on the field!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm right?
see how i just picked that right up?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooohhhhhh
You are sharp today LCFF…..took your Ginko huh? LOL
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been on Ginn more than anyone....
But the reason we lost is clearly on the Defense.
Ginn nor Fasano were on the field when Indy
a) 80 Yard TD Pass to Dallas Clark
b) 15 Yard TD Run by Donald Brown
c) 48 Yard TD pass to Garcon
2 of those TD’s are over 45 yards……thats almost half the field…give me a break.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been on Ginn more than anyone….
not more than me… you haven’t been here as long – i have had more time to complain
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way,
I think you guys should both get tested.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aint that the truth
says the pot.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
yeah, i sometimes say that when i’m on pot
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The D did what they could with what they are
we aren’t a team that stops the pass well, at all.
Considering we were playing Manning we did what was to be expected.
It was up to Miami’s O (read: the receivers), to come up with it when it mattered.
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by DolfinPhan on Sep 23, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
we can stop the pass to receivers well. It’s to TEs that we have a hard time with. This isn’t 2008 anymore, we have a different backfield that’s very good at stopping the big play receivers… unfortunately the inability to cover TEs will turn TEs into the big play receivers if they aren’t already.
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by joel311 on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TEs catch as well
they are part of the passing game.
Reggie wayne was limited because he was getting extra attention.
Remember Garcon? On the other side, caught a td pass.
Still, I don’t feel like our CBs have really been tested yet. If the TE is open then why take a chance on the outsides. Roddy white was overthrown on a few plays last week that could have been td material. Different tunes would be sung.
We aren’t a pass stopping team until otherwise proven.
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by DolfinPhan on Sep 23, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not exactly
this team has had issues covering speed guys since….. well for a while anyways… doesn’t matter if they are RB’s(yes i mean leon washington) or WR’s (lee evans for example) the speed guys seem to give the fins trouble more then the big guys…
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
27 points in 15 mins
that’s all i have to say about that.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, as much as i always respect your opinion
i want to point out that when you said:
Gibril Wilson and Bell are run stoppers.
I think you hit the nail on the head. yes it would have been nice to score on those other plays, but if we had a solid FS instead of two SS, we might have fared better.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good article
but it just says the same things we are all saying here…
Hey, maybe we can all be beat writers?!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about the Inexplicable
this game was sure close to just that.
Note to Paul Pasqualon – Ayodele – Crowderi: Please stop trying to guarantee a spot on the pro bowl for every tight end we play against. Ok guys?
Note to Ronnie Brown – unbelievable performance Ronnie. You were THE man in every sense. Not to mention that we’d have given up 50 without the job you and the OL did.
Note to Offensive Line: Now this is the type of dominance that you guys are capable. Talk about steamrolling the colts DL, you did it!
Note to Gibril Wilson: Gibril, all this time you’ve been getting the wrong definition of tackle. It doesn’t mean you know, chum or mullet that you use for fishing with your buddies in the summer. No, no, it means you actually stop the guy from the other team. Try it sometime….
Note to Ricky WIlliams – you still got it man :)
Note to Ted Ginn: Nice job being there for CP most of the night. Still, in the end you have to make that catch in the endzone otherwise it is all for not.
Note to Patrick Cobbs: Give McKelvin in Buffalo a call so he can tell you how to avoid getting a torched front lawn…
Note to Sparano & Henning: Be thankful for Cam Scameron. Your wasting of 1 minute 13 seconds to gain a mere 6 y ards and burn through 2 timeouts near the end of the game is merely the second WORST job of time management in this team’s recent history…..
by Natalya on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
do i hear 3?
3rd Rec’s a charm
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because you asked.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh Nat?
i’m usually right with your cryptic comments, but i don’t get this one:
Note to Patrick Cobbs: Give McKelvin in Buffalo a call so he can tell you how to avoid getting a torched front lawn…
AFAIK, cobbs didn’t have a fumble or blow a return, did he?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
they didn’t torch his lawn the painted “take a knee” , which i though was pretty funny…
then they added a picture of male memberhood.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
personally, i think that sounds appropriate
but what about cobbs?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I HATE looking that we are 4th place in AFC East
This blows, We need to step it ALL the way up. I hate seeing the jets riding high. Crowder WE need you to step it up a notch to prove Rex fat ass Ryan that the AFC EAST runs through the DOLPHINS…………..I still have hope!!!
SOOWOOP..........
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to go on a run
like last year!
by texascowpunk on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the spirit!
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by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the spirit!
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by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't say....
That I am really surprised. Seems like we have spent a lot of time there in the last 5-7 years
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn had was pressured during that 4th Quarter drop in the end zone
Only problem is it was by Jacob Lacey the Colts 5th or 6th Cornerback on the depth chart. I dont care if you love Ginn or hate him if our number one receiver can’t get seperation from the opposing teams 5th or 6th string cornerback we need a new #1 receiver. I am tired of hearing of all of this potential and in his 3rd year showing none of it once again.
by Wosaey on Sep 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He had separation,
then had to stop in the end zone to catch Penne’s ball. The CB CAUGHT UP TO HIM, bumped into him, and then got tangled in Ginn’s jersey/held on as he went up for the ball. Pass interference all the way, and also a bad throw by Pennington. How do you expect Ginn to remain separated when he has to come back for the ball?
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY
There’s a lot about CP that I like but asking Ginn to constanly slow down and fight through DB’s to get back to the ball or shield them from the ball is too much to ask for someone as weak as he is.He ducks because a flush hit would turn him into a vegetable for life but he does do all he can to make the catch 98% of the time but this OC and QB isn’t built for TG’s abilities.
by firedanhenningnow on Sep 22, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My text last nighte to my friend...
was “Crowder is running like he shit his pants” And I thought that on multiple occasions lol. The equipment guys are gonna have fun today.
by captain flitzy on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rivers and Gates
So I wonder what Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates are thinking about right now….
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a wide open field..
of TD glory.
by captain flitzy on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah; they ( Chargers ) are going to have a field day with the Dolphins pass defense. I can’t imagine them beating S.D there.
by Fanaticdolphinsfan on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren't thinking!!
They are laughing and salavating all week long
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gates
is thanking the Phins for his next pro bowl selection.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunday
Yeah this one coming up could be real nasty. Secondary isn’t something you can fix in a week. 34-17 at best.
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh heh heh...
Dolphins 13…………… Chargers 52
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by Alpha6 on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well noted matt but I’m not entirely convinced. I agree that our safeties sucked wind out loud but your not giving the colts offense much credit. It’s Peyton Manning. When he doesn’t play like he did last night he has a bad game. That was just typical Manning. I can’t help but think back about a month ago when someone half seriously suggested Miami going for Brandon Marshal and he got imasculated because Ginn was our guy. “it’s his third year, he’s going to break out.” GET RID OF GINN. If he makes the catch in the final quarter it isn’t a great catch. Sean Smith’s int. in new orleans was a great catch. Ginn dropped two catchable TD passes. He’s another Miami first round bust.
by la Roc on Sep 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well the bright side is
you’re recird is as good as the Jaguars. … … oh
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by TheTealDeal on Sep 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THE DEFENSE
Everyone is ripping the dolphins D, im not gonna clear them they did blow the game, but they did manage to shut down Reggie Wayne, its just Manning knows how to use any WR to his advantage. People are forgetting that we did shut down the run, that was a good sign, the secondary is very young, Miami should have blitzed less and dropped more guys to defend the pass. Blitzing Manning isnt gonna scare him, hes to solid for that.
by mikexmen84 on Sep 22, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The game played out exactly as many of us thought,
we would shut down the WR, but Dallas Clark would be the main target. We lose to TEs, not big play WRs.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shut down the run??
Really? 10 carries for 58 yards and a highlight run that made DONALD BROWN look like JIM BROWN? The only reason they didn’t run more was because Dallas Clarke didn’t have anyone within 5 yards of him the whole night. How was Manning going to pass that up?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need to remember that if it’s not an “easy catch”, I should not expect Ginn to make it.
by Ritty77 on Sep 22, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was over thrown
on the first ‘drop’ and was serverly underthrown on the second drop.
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn had 5-10 yds. on the deepest man
at the end of the game
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm still disappointed...but not that much anymore
It is definatly the DEFENSE that screwd us. I thought we were supposed to have a killler defense this year.
Fasano and Ginn dropping passes….this season doesn’t look good.
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by Kdog92 on Sep 22, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate to agree
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by samdaman on Sep 22, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang in there guys.
Ill give it a couple of more weeks before I join you!
by texascowpunk on Sep 23, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the Sparano day-after interview over on the Phins site.
Beat me for misreading mannerisms but I thought there was a bit of resignation.
“Yeah, we missed a couple tackles that were glaring,” “we didn’t have the right package in so we called, time out,” " it was the right run play, it just didn’t work."
Kinda like he didn’t want to throw the hammer down on anybody. Given the prevalence of “sophomore slump,” I for one, would like to see Mr. Parcell’s walk down the orange carpet for a game or two.
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by Tunaflipper on Sep 22, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just noticed...
Watching NFL Total Access just a little bit ago, on the Colts screen play in 4th qtr to rookie WR for touchdown when Miami blitzed, center Jeff Saturday was almost two yards past the line of scrimmage when the pass crossed the line… is that not an Ineligible Man Downfield penalty? Someone please correct me if I’m wrong. He snapped the ball, let the blitzers run past him, started moving forward, and made a key block in front of the receiver that helped the play go the distance.
I always feel weird talking about blown ref calls after a loss, seems like whiney way to deal with the fact that your favorite team didn’t get the job done… but that could’ve potentially changed the course of the game.
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by FrozenFin on Sep 22, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't have mattered
Manning would have just thrown another TD to Dallas Clarke if the refs did blow the wistle on the screen pass.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Im not going to blame one bit of the offense for this lose .......but
IMO Ginn did a good job but the fact is we do not have a true playmaker at WR sure Ginn can burn guys and Penny does not have the arm to hit him deep but we need guys who can make plays and get the yac’s,anyway my question is this now I do now expect Ginn to make the clutch or big grabs over the corners in the end zone that is what physical wideouts are for anf our biggest and maybe most physical is Patrick Turner why was he not lined up in the last few plays wasnt one of the reasons we drafted him for his size and help as a red zone target?
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by Foy on Sep 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Turner was inactive for the game.
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by FrozenFin on Sep 22, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man did not know that I really want to see what this kid can do in those type of situations
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by Foy on Sep 22, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He needs to play ST
before any of that happens
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how a bout a catch in the back of the endzone for
the game winning TD
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I need to slow down
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by Foy on Sep 22, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was thinking you did too.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where was Camerillo?
We have so little talent, and what we have seems to be melting into vapor ( i.e. Fasano). Where was Greg C. last night?
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know
it seemed like Hartline got some snaps though
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fasano was
great last year, remember the TD in the KC game? THAT WAS SICK
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also think we miss David Martin
He made some clutch plays last year. Miss him.
Also, for all the praise the O Line got, and it deserved it for the most part, when we absolutely could NOT afford a sack, at the end of the game Carey lets CP land on his rear end. That was miserable.
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he couldnt make
a decision
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martin was getting older and we need youth
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fasano
Yeah and don’t forget the great TD against the JETS where he spun around to catch it. That’s why this vanishing talent thing is hard to figure out….
by oceantracks on Sep 22, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what happened during this offseason
to him, he went from looking like a HOFer to playing like a guy that was filling in for an injured starter
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camarillo is easier to figure out he had
an ACL tear and wasn’t exactly fast before
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me here
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by kewlguy on Sep 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BLAME
THIS LOST WAS JUST DISCUSTING. WE OUT MUSCLED THEM ALL GAME ON OFFENSE AND FKN HENNING’S PLAYCALLING WAS JUST ATROCIOUS…. I GET THAT YOU WANT TO SCORE W/ NO TIME LEFT BUT YOU WORRY ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO THE ENDZONE NOT AT YOUR OWN 18 YARD LINE!!!!!!! AND WHO THE HELL CALLS A DRAW ON 3rd AND 6 WHEN IF YOU DONT CONVERT YOU ARE KICKING A LONG FIELD GOAL FROM THE DIRT! JUST RETARTED. QB SNEAK ON 3RD AND 1 COST US ANOTHER 15 VALUABLE SECONDS. HENNINGS GAMEPLAN WAS WAAAAAY TO CONSERVATIVE. YOU CANT PLAY THAT WAY AND EXPECT TO WIN.
by YatilGinnJr on Sep 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What was that you say?
I’m a little hard of hearing…. wtf? How long has these darn internets been around? I mean, back in my day a man could type in all caps and not ….blah blah blah.
I didn’t bother reading your drivel, because its clear you haven’t a clue on how to post in an intelligent manner.
by Fr8Train on Sep 22, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's young, cut him a little slack
=)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had a day to digest the loss
Time has lessened the blow.
Matty made a bunch of good points…the O played very well, the OL was so much better than the week 1 performance.
Ginn had a solid day, as did the entire offense. The D did a good job on most everything but covering the TE, which everyone knew would be an issue. Salguero had it right in the Herald this morning…if that were almost any other team, what Miami had done would have been enough to win. This just in:Peyton manning is pretty damn good. It happens…it would have been a great win had they pulled it off, but they didn’t. But they did play a thousand times better than they did in week 1. Going to SD now, solid play all around again should be enough to beat the Bolts.
Fins are gonna get on the right track against the Chargers and the Jets.
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by dolfan7309 on Sep 22, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two words:
Antonio Gates.
We’ll need to figure out some way to handle TEs between now and Sunday evening.
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by joel311 on Sep 22, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most defintely
"Nobody really knows. I don't care about them. Whoever Vegas is, tell him come to the house, come knock on my door and tell me we're going to win seven games and I'll let him have it."
-Channing Crowder
by dolfan7309 on Sep 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two more words.....
Not again!!!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Sep 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone overlooks Peyton Manning in this equation
We shouldn’t expect a run stopping D to stop a passing team that easily.
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by DolfinPhan on Sep 23, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
27 points in 15 mins.
i don’t care if it is drew brees back there, that is unacceptable from ANY defense.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 23, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with matty on this one
the next time i see
“we need playmakers”
“ted ginn blows”
“its all ginn’s fault”
“why couldn’t he have made that catch”
“what a bust”
i’m done….just done.
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by finsxfactor on Sep 22, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no no, you forgot wilson
it’s all his fault too
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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