given everything you’ve said in this post, you do have to acknowledge that the defense, tackling, and coverage by the inside LB’s were all an embarrassment. It was like John Madden football out there – every pass Manning completed was a 20 yard gain practically.

I disagree. I don’t see how you drop the kind of money we did on players like Jake Grove, Joe Berger, and Vernon Carey (not exactly rookies) if you do not care about QB play… OR if you consider yourselves in a re-building year. I don’t know of any sports team who wins their division (I dont care about the schedule argument) loses no one significant from their team, and settles for the “rebuilding” excuse.

If the Dolphins fall to 0-3 after next week, then I say we make the switch simply because – realistically – no 0-3 team in the AFC is making the playoffs. It’s too good.

Maybe in the NFC – but not this conference.

For one, I never said that CP10 singlehandedly got this team to the 11-5 record. I know there were a lot of factors that contributed to that. However, I do believe that he was a factor in that, as his style of play fit well with our personell at the time. However, we do have a different personell group now, so we need to start making some changes. I agree with what Matty said that if we fall to 0-3 next week, we should put Henne in and see how he does.

Beyond that though, we need to also start thinking about what else we need to work on to finish our rebuilding, because you are correct, we are still a rebuilding team. We need to get some new LBs and DEs to improve our pass rush and run stoppage. JT and Joey Porter are getting up there in age and won’t be able to carry our pass rush for too much longer, and we don’t know what is going on with Roth.

We also could use some more talent at WR as well. I know we drafted Hartline and Turner, but we still have some issues there. Ginn isn’t showing that he can be a reliable #1 so far, so we may want to pick up a good vet in FA or trade to take that spot. Ginn can be a good #2 I think, and we have Hartline and Turner and Camarillo for future 3 and 4 spots, and Bess to work the slot. And we can even draft someone to groom to take over the #1 spot should any of our current guys not step up to be our #1.

Safety may be a concern, but I’m going to reserve judgement and give Bell and Wilson a few more weeks to gel together and get used to each other before I say that we need to get a replacement. And I think we still need to pick up a good NT as well. Ferguson is getting pretty old, and we don’t really know for sure how well Soliai will do, so it would be good at least to have a solid backup, even if Soliai does prove to be a good NT.

Our corners are good, and both rookies show lots of promise of being great CBs once they get some experience under their belts, so I’m not too worried there. The O-line looked good last night, but they need to be a little more consistent so I can breathe easier. Same with the D-line.

I like a lot of the guys that we got, and I think that a good number of our guys will be pretty good, but I do see the areas that we need some work on, and I am of the mindset that having lots of depth at each position is never a bad thing.

and throw 5-10 yard passes all game long? Pennington’s main strength is that he is a “game manager.” Well, Henne can certainly throw checkdowns all day as well as have a deep threat, even if he only goes deep 3 or 4 times per game.

Henne can start out playing exactly like Pennington until he gets comfortable and slowly open up the offense. Don’t get me wrong, I really appreciate what Pennington has brought to this team.

However, I find it ironic that the same individuals that argue to keep Pennington in, are the same ones that also keep bringing up the point that we are a rebuilding team. Is Pennington going to be our QB in the 2011 season? I would bet my right nut (the right one is my favorite) that he isn’t.

Everyone’s logic must mesh. If we are rebuilding, then put in Henne and let the team grow together and let him get his mistakes out so that he is firing on all cylinders in the next season or two. Or if he isn’t the answer, then we try Pat White and draft another QB. You don’t rebuild your team with a 32 year old QB. I understand the Warner/Favre/Collins argument, but by and large, you want a young QB so that you can build a dynasty like the Colts or Pats of the last decade.

OR, if you want to think that we are a win now team, you can keep Pennington in or have Henne mirror Pennington’s playing style and do constant checkdowns and throw deep occasionally.

Personally, I would like to see Pennington play until we go 0-3 or 0-4. I understand the NFL is a business, but businesses show loyalty and reward their most important employees. He is owed at least a few more weeks based on what he did for us last year. I think Henne starts 9 or 10 games for us this year.

We are not gonna win a Super Bowl with CP10. Might as well give Henne a chance to shine so we know what we have next year when we could actually challenge the elite teams.

over Parcells, Ireland, & Sparano. Those persons who are on the field EVERYDAY watching and evaluating our players?

These guys have made no bones about replacing positions from the bottom up and they choose not to put Henne in -yet. What do they not know that you do?

I picked 4-6 games. I got bashed by some of the people that over look the rebuilding. I stated several times that we had some luck with us, we had little to no serious injuries or turn overs. Was I happy we won the division? Yes, but I knew the expectations & schedule we would face this year. I was thinking 7-9 this year, but I always get bashed over Penne.
What happens next year with no proven QB?
Now I played QB in college, no it wasn’t a big school & I only got to start as a jr & sr but I have seen lot of passes that need to be made. There are more open than you see on the tv but Penne knows his limits.
If we don’t find out anything next offseason will be a horrible event.
Don’t get me wrong, I want the rings but I know that they foundation we are laying will keep us close every year & even most walmarts aren’t built in a year.
Go Phins

This feels like the Culpepper, Fiedler, etc…(all the ones without Marino or Griese) years doesn’t it? The silver lining that we all need to remember before we kill each other we FINALLY have a coaching staff in place that obviously knows what theyre doing. Do any of yall think that if we took any team of ours from the past decade outside of one this regime has overseen, would we have had a chance to win a game like that? In going to say no. SO before I start lets all just be reminded that a consistent contender is coming out of Miami sooner rather than later.

Now for my two cents:

Neo, I completely agree with you. But Im torn because I appreciate what Penny meant to us last year and what he continues to mean to us. He is a guy that is woth past his ability (sadly) and like it or not its great that he is on our team. Whether he’s a “noodle arm” or not, no one can question his value as a leader and a mentor to the youngins on our team.
I 100% agree with you too Matty, that if we lose next week its time to play Henne. This regime passed on Matt Ryan (before that statement gets attacked I do understand why Long was taken and Im not unhappy about it) and didnt bother to try to get Flacco. They got Henne. Chad Henne was “their guy”. If we lose next week, he needs to play, end of story. Ill even take it a step further and say even if we win next week but should somehow falter to Buffalo or NY, he needs to play after the bye week. Anyone against this can say as they will but if we hit the bye at 1 and 4 or worse, Henne HAS to play. Id much rather go 5-11 than 8-8 and know what we have in Henne. There’s a great crop of QB’s (bradford cough) coming out next year and if Henne fails to show that he can be a franchise QB than we need to get a new one.

Lastly, let me speak for all of us who are calling for Henne. Its not that we hate penny (and anyone who does is simply wrong, the man deserves nothing but praise for what he has done for us), its that we are tired of seeing franchise after franchise find THAT qb that is everything they needed, why we consistently seem to be on the outside looking in. Sure every few sb’s feature a qb that some team picked up for a year or two that can take them there. But im not interested in that. I want to see a foundation that will last for decades to come (see the Steelers). And part of that foundation is a franchise QB that is Miami born and raised.

If you read my sig you will see I respect that CP10 is the QB of this team. If you go back and read some of my past posts you will find me defending him 100% of the time to people who wanted to start Henne this season no matter what. I thought that would be a wrong decision all around. However..

Now 2 games into the season and watching both games closely I have to get on the Henne buss and ever so quietly move to the back row and just sit and ride. Now my reasons here are as follows. Its as simple as this guys..

I have seen 2 or 3 of our receivers run open and I mean OPEN at 20+ yards and CP10 fails to even look at them. He has a system in his head of looking for the short pass and dumping it off. Now I saw this last year as well, however we were winning games so I felt it was acceptable. Now I am not so sure it is. Do not get me wrong here, I feel our offence in general played good against the Colts. We ran really good, CP10 was pretty sharp on what he did throw, Ginn shoulda caught that ball for the win as it was laid in there pretty damn good. (or pass D lost us that game 100%) So This post in no way is me blaming CP10 for this loss.. the 2 losses have opened my eyes a bit though and I paid better attention to the games and open receivers n such after people complained all summer that CP10 couldn’t hit open receivers deep. He doesn’t bother trying much. And I believe it is his lack of arm and him knowing his limits. He knows he will not hit the 20+ yard passes as often as most other top QB’s. Yes he can throw the occasional 30 40yard pass but in general his long throws are underthrown allot and he knows this.

I also am very concerned as to the look on his face these last 2 weeks. He has not looked confident at all. He has looked scared.. worried.. deer in the headlights ect.. If our starting QB is not confident in his ability then he should not be out there. I may be wrong on this.. as I have read how he commands the huddle.. and the game well ect ect.. but if the look on someone’s face could ever talk his would say “fuck were screwed” or something to that affect.

Again.. maybe I am crazy.. but he is not winning me over by dumping it 3 or 6 yards 90% of the time when I am seeing others open 20+ yards down field. And again it would be one thing if he looked like he see’s these open guys.. but on each play he never even turned and saw them. (from what I could tell seeing what I saw in game)

Again.. maybe I am crazy.. but he is not winning me over by dumping it 3 or 6 yards 90% of the time when I am seeing others open 20+ yards down field. And again it would be one thing if he looked like he see’s these open guys.. but on each play he never even turned and saw them. (from what I could tell seeing what I saw in game)shrugs maybe it is time to start Henne and let this season play out and give the kid some real playing time.

is thank you