The remaining roster battles in Miami
The Dolphins must get their roster down to 53 players by Saturday afternoon. In between now and then, the players have just one final opportunity to make their own particular cases - their preseason finale in New Orleans on Thursday night. For some, it will be a final chance to prove they should be starting. For others, it will be one last opportunity to prove to the coaches and front office that they deserve roster spots.
Here are some of the final battles to keep in the back of your minds as you watch Thursday's finale:
Greg Camarillo vs Davone Bess vs Brian Hartline
Barring something unforeseen, all three of these receivers will make the team. However, only one can start opposite of Ted Ginn on September 13 when the Dolphins travel to Atlanta. Bess worked with the first-team offense for much of the early parts of camp and started to open the preseason. But Brian Hartline has spent much of his time working with the starters since the week before the second preseason game and hasn't looked back - starting both of the last two preseason games. Hartline right now leads the Dolphins in receiving yards and yards per reception during the preseason. He also most closely fits the mold of what Tony Sparano wants out of the starting receiver opposite of Teddy - a guy who can pick up chunks of yardage at a time. Meanwhile, Camarillo continues to linger in the background as he gets closer and closer to being 100%. It was clear to me that he's still not physically back to where he was at before his knee injury when we saw him chugging down field last game for his 50+ yard catch and run. However, Camarillo did get some first-team reps on Tuesday.
I still think that Hartline is probably the favorite right now to start with Bess working as the team's primary slot receiver - his ideal position, to be honest. But a big game from Camarillo on Thursday night and/or a rough game for Hartline could change how the starting lineup looks in Atlanta in less than two weeks.
Lex Hilliard vs Brandon London
I've looked at the roster a number of ways and just don't see how it's possible that the Dolphins can keep both of these guys on the 53-man roster. A fourth halfback and a sixth receiver are both luxuries and there's no room on this team for two luxury players like that. I think it'll be either one or the other (if any) and the deciding factor could be special teams.
Hilliard leads all Miami backs with 126 yards rushing and a 4.3 ypc average. He opened a lot of eyes in the team's second preseason game when he showed a very nice burst through the hole on his 39 yard TD run against Carolina. It's rare you see a 240 pound power back with that kind of acceleration. But he has put the ball on the ground two times in just 29 carries, which is unacceptable. Meanwhile, London has just 2 catches for 22 yards in the preseason. However, the 6'4 receiver has a lot of physical talent and has at least proven he can make a big play in a regular season game (yes, I'm talking about his huge 3rd down catch against the Jets in the regular season finale last year). That's more than you can say about Hilliard. But is one big reception and a ton of upside enough to stick on the roster? And at what point does potential turn into disappointment?
Like I said, though, this battle could come down to special teams. London was excellent on the coverage unit last season. Hilliard, though, has put together a solid preseason special teams performance. Tony Sparano even admitted so last week when speaking to the media.
Another thing to keep in mind is the practice squad. Lex Hilliard is eligible to go on Miami's practice squad. But he'd first have to make it through waivers without any other team signing him - which is no safe bet. On the other hand, London is not eligible for the practice squad because he dressed for 14 games last season with the Dolphins. So the Dolphins would have to cut their ties with Brandon if they choose not to keep him on the final 53-man roster. Because of that, I'd leaning more towards the Dolphins keeping Brandon around and attempting to sneak Hilliard through to the practice squad. But I'm far from confident in that prediction right now.
John Nalbone vs Joey Haynos
I'm fairly confident that the Dolphins will indeed keep three tight ends on their roster. Dan Henning loves using two tight end sets and wouldn't be able to if one of the two went down to injury in the middle of the game. While neither of these two players have set themselves apart from the other, I've been impressed with how well John Nalbone has blocked. He also has shown improved hands in camp following a very poor showing at OTAs and minicamps earlier in the summer. However, he's still raw and Joey Haynos has been in the system longer. You also can't duplicate Joey's size (6'8, 270). It was believed that this regime really liked Haynos. But why then did the Dolphins spend a fifth round pick on the rookie TE from Monmouth?
A possible solution here could be to keep Haynos on the team and try slipping Nalbone through waivers. After all, he's only a tight end and nobody poaches tight ends. Wrong - the Dolphins did that very thing to Green Bay last year by poaching Haynos off of their practice squad. And about a third of the league worked out Nalbone prior to the draft. If the Dolphins waive him and try to slip him by, they could lose him. On the other hand, Haynos is not eligible for Miami's practice squad. So keeping Nalbone would mean saying goodbye to Haynos.
I expect both of these guys to get a lot of playing time on Thursday night to give the coaches some good film to review on Friday as they make their decision. But you all know me - I'm taking Nalbone here.
QUICK HITS
Now for some quick hits on different roster possibilities:
Play who was once a long shot and is now a virtual lock: Quentin Moses
Did anybody see this coming? Sure, Jason Taylor benefited a lot from Matt Roth's injury because he's now entrenched as the starter. But Moses was expected by many to be out of a job in a few days when camp began. But with solid play both in practice and in games, he's secured his roster spot as the primary backup strong-side linebacker. He's done an excellent job of creating pressure as well as setting the edge. If I'm Matt Roth, I'm expecting a huge "thank you" card from Moses in the coming week.
Possible surprise cut: Charlie Anderson
With Cameron Wake taking over the role of primary reserve pass-rusher, Anderson will see less playing time. And his dumb mistake last week against Tampa on special teams isn't going to help his cause, either. He's got a hefty 2009 price tag and is yet to live up to his contract. While I don't think Anderson will definitely be cut, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him receive a pink slip - especially if he makes any more bonehead plays on Thursday night.
Possible sleeper to make the team: Courtney Bryan
Keeping five safeties is rare. But Bryan is a solid special teams contributor who isn't a total liability in coverage like other teams' backup safeties usually are. He's got good instincts and is a hard worker - the kind of player this regime loves. And you never know...
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If I'm Matt Roth...
… I’m thinking I may not even make the PUP list….
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by Alpha6 on Sep 2, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you always keep control of a players rights if it doesn't cost you anything
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was just thinkin how there are linebackers movin up and he's just sittin there nursing his, ahem, strain...
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by Alpha6 on Sep 2, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking for some past posts on Moses.
Found this one:
If they blitz like they have started to…
Porter made some great plays playing back off the line, and Will Allen was a stud coming off the edge. Moses looked good, and the attention was helping JT become more disruptive. Crowder is much better at running those stunts than Zach (love Zach, but he can’t blitz worth crap). If Holliday plays I think we are in pretty good shape, pressure wise.
by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 1, 2007 11:05 AM PST
Right above (remember, this was in the death throes of the 2007 season), talking about the upcoming Jets game, the eternal optimist himself:
I predict Jets 14, Dolphins 23 for Sunday…
by Alpha6 on Dec 1, 2007 8:56 AM PST
See, in spite of all your bluster, you are still a homer like the rest of us. ;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just had to go there... huh?
Just when I was getting over that season too… LOL
Homer…. Doh!!!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nursing it or playing with it?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ewwwwww lol
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice summary matty
Quick hits:
- I think Hilliard could, in fact, make it through waiver, being so early in the season before teams start to experience injuries. If you look around the league, pretty much everyone is set at RB and most teams already have a developmental guy. Whether he can remain on the PS once the season starts is another question entirely.
- As much as everyone likes Hilliard, it is unlikely that the Fins will keep 4 TB and a FB on the 53. Not unheard of, just unlikely.
- I it not so unlikely that the Fins might actually keep 6 WRs on the 53. In which case, another position gets cut.
- I can’t say that I saw Moses coming, but I can say I am not surprised. I have liked this kid since he joined the team in 2007, and he has progressively gotten better, IMO. Even in 2007, he had something like 3 sacks or so on the season. He is prototypical for the position and has always had a motor on him. He reminds me a bit of Ogunleye.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the reason why Hilliard can make the PS
and i have cut him on everyone of my roster predictions is he is S L O W and i haven’t seen any moves that make me believe he has any quickness either, and that translates into ‘not very good’ vs. 1st team NFL defenses. he does look better this year though, so that improvement may be enough to keep him around, I just don’t see it.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 2, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is 240 lbs!
You can’t expect him to be blazing down the field as fast as Ronnie. He’s 10-20 lbs from being a FB, which would be the only way he makes the 53 man roster IMO. The Ricky extension killed his chances of making it as the 4th HB and possible Ricky replacement next year.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but it is the reason why he wont make the roster….
but i agree you are correct – his chance at the team is FB
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Ricky wouldn't have signed the extension,
IMO they would have made him the 4th HB to be Ricky’s replacement next year. Perfect change of pace back to supplement Brown, kind of like the Giants had with Ward and Jacobs. But if he can pack on 10-20 lbs and keep his explosiveness, which would be hard, he might make it on as the back up FB to learn the position this year and possibly take Polite’s job next year.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 3, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well two points
i don’t think you ever implied this but he is far short of jacobs power, and i question his explosiveness vs the 1st(s)…. so that makes him expendable.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does ones explosiveness diminish compared to first and second stringers?
Not all first stringers are faster than second stringers, but that still doesn’t affect his own quickness. But the defense will feel the difference between getting hit by Ricky’s 220, and Lex’s 240. Sure it’s not in the same category as Jacobs, but who’s is when the guy is 6’4" and 256 lbs. It’s just similar in that one back can elude tacklers, while the other runs them over.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by all accounts i've heard is
ricky hits pretty freakin hard… he goes 220-230 and runs REAL fast – so you kind of have to be all in to get in front of him…
lex is kind of slow and the first stingers are able to force him east/west before he gets to the outside and and goes north/south…
you just had to watch the playes last night when cobbs was going in for lex…. it was pretty clear that lex wasn’t able to make the playes cobbs was….
i just haven’t seen where lex is a starting NFL type back.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 4, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope B-London gets on the team
I feel like he did alot proving himself last year. Not just against New York in the final. Also, even though him and pat turner are very similar recievers, i think they could work together to feed off that in order to both get better. I’ve been liking Hilliard more and more in recent weeks, but we are sorta stacked at running back. At the receiver position we need the extra guy because we don’t know who our breakthrough player could be this year.
by phinfan Neal on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like lex but im all for london making this team
a Special teams stud beats out a fourth running back any day
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by jojo phin fan on Sep 2, 2009 1:34 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
what if hilliard is also a ST stud?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... ah, but he's been doing better in this preseason than London on ST plays....
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by Alpha6 on Sep 2, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is kind of what i remembered
but am too lazy to go back and look at it.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u weren't to lazy to write that 5 paragraph comment
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes i was...
but i was more bored at the time.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd WR battle is a tough one.
I’d go with GC.
Lex and London, I think they should both make the team.
Nalbone is great at blocking and Haynos is huge….I’m going with Nalbone.
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by Kdog92 on Sep 2, 2009 6:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i say bess
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bess would be better working the slot
instead of opposite of the Ginnja. This position will go to either Camarillo or Hartline, and I would probably give the edge to Hartline right now, simply because it looks like Greg is still not quite 100% yet.
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by Chupathingy on Sep 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simmons, i hate you. =)
Totally agree that Bess’ role is the slot. Not sure what happens with Cammy.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by Patssuck456 on Sep 3, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they'll cut players any who can't make the practice squad.
If the stats are that close they have to play the odds of keeping them both with covert PS placement.
Plus, should other teams experience injuries, doesn’t that give the Phins a trading edge?
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by Tunaflipper on Sep 2, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No - they can take a player from our practice squad at any time.
by Matty I on Sep 2, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as long as they put them on their active roster.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and no
they can make an offer to a player on the practice squad – then it’s the players option what to do…. usually they notify the team they are on before they accept the offer…. kind of a de facto – first refusal.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 2, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*any players
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by Tunaflipper on Sep 2, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilliard will probably go
His 2 fumbles in 29 carries, or whatever that figure was, will most likely give London the edge. I also think Camarillo will be cut because I’m not certain he’s back 100% and his skill set is pretty much the same as Bess and Hartline, who we’ll definitely keep.
Just my opinion.
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by PhearThePhinzz on Sep 2, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d be floored if Camarillo will be cut, for the record. Not surprised if Hilliard was.
by Jevant on Sep 2, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GC out?
I think GC is slightly superior in comparison to Bess and Hartline (who, as rookies, still has a lot to prove) when he’s 100%. But that’s just my opinion. Last year, he was playing great.
I don’t see him going anywhere. That would suck =/
by Rennie85 on Sep 2, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Cammy gets cut or traded, either.
When he’s 100%, he’s a ligit quality #2 receiver.
by Matty I on Sep 2, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put Camarillo on PUP,
put Hilliard on the PS, and keep 4 TEs. Try and trade David Martin within the first 6 weeks if the young TEs look good, so Camarillo can come back on the roster. If they don’t look that great, cut the weak link.
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by joel311 on Sep 2, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he might be if introduced to whomever gave Roth that groin problem!
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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
no, he means because he did not start camp on PUP
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still not talking to Matty until he puts London on his 53man rooooster.
and its killing him.
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by Rzayo24 on Sep 2, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's tough
i’ve had to cry myself to sleep on occasion.
by Matty I on Sep 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
over london or RZ, Matty?
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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 2, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow!
that must be some big rooster
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 2, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me about it lol
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by el presidente 00 on Sep 2, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team may not keep Hilliard nor London...
… how do you like them apples..?
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by Alpha6 on Sep 2, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont like them apple at all
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by samdaman on Sep 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expect some trades
by the FO. I expect Hilliard, Haynos and one LB to be traded. London will make it on the Team just because of his participation on the Phisider.
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by Phintastic on Sep 2, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Phinsider interview > ST performance.
any interview on here beats out competition on ST. London gets the nod
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by el presidente 00 on Sep 2, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion on opening day
RB:
1.) Brown
2.) Williams
3.) Cobbs
WR:
1.) Ginn
2.) Hartline
3.) Bess
4.) Camarillo
5.) Turner
6.) London
TE:
1.) Fasano
2.) Nalbone
3.) Haynos
Not making the 53- Hilliard, Martin, Anderson
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by BSerious72 on Sep 2, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could go along with this. Probably would keep Martin over London, but it’s a tossup (then try to trade Martin and figure out what you want instead after that is done).
by Jevant on Sep 2, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am happy for Hartline!
I watch him at Ohio State and saw so much of what he could do and was so happy the Dolphins picked him and now you all can see why it was a very good pick.
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by buckeyebill on Sep 2, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While I was one of the people advocating 4 HBs,
the extension signed by Williams basically ended that hope. I do still think they’ll put Hilliard on the PS, I don’t believe he’ll stay there the whole season. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he was picked up off waivers by another AFC east team, probably the Pats. I don’t see the Dolphins keeping 4 TEs, and it’s probably a coin flip right now between Haynos and Nalbone. The loser will most likely make the PS though. So, I’m reverting back to my original assumption that the Dolphins will keep 6 WR.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 2, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great points about Quentin(pulp fiction)Moses,
Bryan and Anderson.
I like Nalbone, he is a much better blocker then Haynos, who gets beat a lot, Haynos is fine if he can get his hands on the chest and drive, outside of that he struggles.
I’m on the BL, Hilliard watch, fun stuff.
I guess I’m alone not liking Hartline, to me Bess has been the guy, but he hasn’t got the reps, and Camarillo is just as crafty as ever, it will be interesting to see what happens when he is healthier.
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by uncle finster on Sep 3, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll be seeing alot more changes to the WR depth chart during the year
by luvs2drnk on Sep 3, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think alot will have
to do with certain match ups on our opponents defense. WR position isnt looking too bad in my opinion. Covering those RBs out of the backfield and TEs(Gonzales) could be our achilles heal.
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by Phintastic on Sep 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was last year too.
Our LBs are great at supporting the run and blitzing the QB. Just don’t ask them to cover anybody.
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