Is rotating the rookie corners really a good idea?
It hasn't been too often that I have disagreed with this coaching staff over the past year and a half. But this one I just don't agree with.
We haven't really talked about it much, but last week the Dolphins rotated rookies Sean Smith and Vontae Davis. Smith got the start, but the two rotated every two possessions. As it actually turned out, it was Davis who saw more reps than Smith despite not being the actual starter because he was on the field for Atlanta's longer drives.
On Wednesday, Tony Sparano confirmed that this will again be how he handles the two rookie corners in week two. Said Sparano, when asked about playing one more than the other:
"I’m not in really a hurry to that right now. They’re both good players. I kind of like seeing both of them play. But if it happens because one guy just completely takes it over and that’s the way it goes."
"If I’m just looking out there and I’m thinking there’s no way I can leaves this guy off the field, then that’s what we’ll do. Until then, I think I’ll rotate them."
I can't say that I agree with this move. Sean Smith outplayed Vontae Davis in camp and in the preseason. He earned his starting role and I don't see how it benefits the Dolphins to have Smith off the field for certain drives as part of a rotation.
From what I've seen, Smith is the team's second best cornerback right now. How does it help the Dolphins to not have their second best corner on the field on every play? Yes, I do think you need to find as many snaps as possible for Davis, too. After all, he and Smith will both be starters for this team at some point in the future. So we do need to get Davis snaps so he can progress. But not at the expense of Smith - perhaps the secondary's best true playmaker.
I'm sure that this odd arrangement also doesn't help either cornerback get into a rhythm. There could be times when either cornerback probably ends up sitting out for 30 to 45 real minutes. After being on the sidelines for that long, how can you expect either of the players to step onto the field and be effective?
I guess we'll see what happens on Monday night. But definitely put me down as "not in favor" of this interesting - to say the least - idea.
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As much as i like Sparano, and respect his decisions, this one seems dumb to me.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
It does to me also but as I wrote in my Fanpost
I don’t know or understand as much as I think I do so I’ll just say that I hope it works out for the best :)
by firedanhenningnow on Sep 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wrote this in my post at the side:
Second, the coaching. I think rotating the rookie Corners in and out ever couple of series is innovative, but it seems like it would be difficult for anyone to get in a groove with that kind of lack of playing consistency.
And I would personally like to see Smith and Davis get more consistent chunks of game time – maybe a full half each – rather than this “series by series” rotation.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:08 PM EDT reply actions
i have to agree
i said in my fanpost that it feels as though we are still playing preseason games. And this rotation of corners seems like a preseason thing to do. Matty, your absolutely right that Smith outperformed Davis in camp and preseason, There doesnt seem to be any logic to this move. And TS saying he will rotate them until one is so good that he HAS to stay on the field…..well, lets just say it doesnt feel quite right.
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gotcha brother.
just got to your post. my bad.
nicely done!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
bout time!!
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You win LCFF!
It was in the form of a question, and somewhere Alex Trebeck is applauding your efforts!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here fo ya....
I am here for ya! Just like making sure you got straight yesterday that it was Lorenzo Brommell who busted up Manning. I am not just a pretty face, ya know. LOL!
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yes, good call on that
as soon as you said it, i remembered.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha ha ha!!
I’ll play your game you rogue!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
CHEETAH...!!!!!!!!!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Time's up!
Chupa, I am VERY disappointed in you. I set you up based on your sig.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!...................... ass... they DO NOT look like a puma...
A puma is a large carnivorous cat… I.E, mountain lion, cougar, panther, leopard AND cheetah….
Pumba…. from the movie “Lion King”..?
I would like the judges to confer on this….
LOL
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Only if cat = pusay......
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Do you think he's seeing something as of late in
VD that making him want to give him that time. Maybe in the past week or so the game could finally be slowing down a little more for VD or even one step further maybe he’s getting him ready to take over for WA a little earlier than we expect. Just throwing that out there for a littl conversation not contreversy.
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If that were the case, I’d have to agree with giving them each a half to play, or maybe rotating quarters. Not rotating series.
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by D0lphins4Life on Sep 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Allen
Let me just say that before I even say this I know I will get skewered for doing so………..but, I dont think that Will Allen played that great in Week 1 either. There, I said it, because no one else would! I’ve got brass ones boyz!!
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no Will sstruggled against the bigger WRJenkins and i mean comeone you cant completely shut down White
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno
its hard for me to say any of the corners struggled. all corners will give up completions – that’s just how it goes. But Falcon receivers had just 80 receiving yards. so i’d say that’s a good job by the corners for the most part.
Yep
I thought they did great, with the exceptions of a few plays that Ryan over-threw….but to talk about the “could-have-beens” would mean that everyone would have nailed the prom queen on prom night…instead that one was just me! Lol.
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i agree W. Allen looked a little out of sync as well.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
and hes the good allen
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They only had 80 yards because they started on our 30 yard line everytime they got the ball (lol)
by D0lphins4Life on Sep 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
well when Gonzo is impossible for us to cover
why not keep throwing to him?
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Never said
I never said that anyone should have “shut-down” Roddy White. Just saying that everytime I saw a short pass completed I saw Will Allen as the man covering him. Granted he didnt give up any huge plays, but if you collect enough nickels and dime eventually you can buy yourself a burger for your troubles. Sorry, its lunch time and I am hungry.
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I'd go one step further where we need to play the matchups with our corners
i hate that we play a style where Will Allen gets one side of the field and then Smith gets the other. We need to have our corners line up with the WR they matchup the best with.
For instance In the Falcons game. Allen was going well on White and Smith on Jenkins since they matchup up pretty well with them physically. So then the Falcons just switched its wr’s. That made 5’10 Allen go up against 6’4 Jenkins and Smith vs. speedy White. The Falcons of course win this matchup.
We need to have our cb’s follow their guy all over the field. This game we will need Smith/Davis on Wayne and Allen on Garcon. Davis should be able to destroy Collie
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well said
Its something that bothered me last year, i.e putting Jason Allen on Randy Moss because he’s taller, that doesnt help if the guy cant cover to save his life
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It's a bad move
because neither of them can get in any rythm or build any confidence. Maybe if it was more designed around playing into their strengths, as in Vontae going in on running downs for run support and Smiith coming in on more obvious passing downs, then I might feel better about it. But what they should do is just pick a guy and go with him.
by fins72marino420 on Sep 17, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
Ummm what?
“I’m not in really a hurry to that right now. They’re both good players. I kind of like seeing both of them play. But if it happens because one guy just completely takes it over and that’s the way it goes.”
“If I’m just looking out there and I’m thinking there’s no way I can leaves this guy off the field, then that’s what we’ll do. Until then, I think I’ll rotate them.”
WTF??? Was he drunk? Is this even English? Nice grammar.
better watch out - Tony's gonna come out of nowhere when you're sleeping and scare the crap out of you bu shouting....
BUCKLE THEM CHINSTRAPS, PRIMADONNAS!
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2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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Sorry....
It was an attempt at humor to say that Tony Sparano was actually Tony Sapprano from jersey….just an account that your quote sounded a little mobioso-esk. Looks like I overthrew that one… Where were you at on that one LCFF????
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Matty, is this you?
Home SuperBowl 2010
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
there is a guy with that handle
that posts on the PBP and other places that always uses that “chin strap” line.
I thought maybe it was your other personality.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
good 2 know
=)
I just hadn’t seen people quoting that too often… thought maybe it wasn’t a coincidence
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i've seen you comment on Fin Nation b4
I thought it was a coincidence
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by stonecoldcory on Sep 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i think so
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dont let it happen too much
ppl will get ideas
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now you are pretending to be Chad Henne?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
i like the new non-emotionless matty
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I for one am for alternating the CBs
Reasons:
1. It is a long season and this will keep them fresh and prevent them from hitting the “rookie wall” due to exhaustion, since college regular seasons are usually at most 12 games.
2. It doesn’t hurt to have a rookie listening to sound coaching while watching plays (and veteran WR tricks) unfold for the first time. They can take the coaching and apply lessons learned in their next “rotation.”
3. If one rookie gets toasted or makes a big blunder, there is some recovery/coaching time on the sideline next to the position coach while the other goes in.
4. Personally, I would rather see both get substantial playing time than to see one of them, say Sean Smith play exclusively and Vontae Davis standing on the sideline, like Chad Henne, not getting any experience. Vontae brings some skills to the table that Sean doesn’t. I’m a big Sean Smith fan, by the way.
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by DolphDallas on Sep 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You may have a point about the rookie wall
but I say you relieve Smith with Davis here and there to keep him fresh. I dont like the constant rotation. I think its counter productive.
by texascowpunk on Sep 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it counter productive?
As far as last week is concerned, it was very productive.
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I think if hes won the starter spot then he deserves to be in there to further his development
not to mention being able to get in to the flow of the game. Sitting on the bench for a half an hour can not be good.
by texascowpunk on Sep 17, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree full DolpDallas
Good post, other than being a “fan” of Sean Smith. I’m a fan of both, neither have been all that good so rotating is a good thing right now.
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I think Sparano just likes different aspects of both players game
Smith with his coverage skills and playmaking. He also like Davis’s physicality, intensity and tackling. Both are really good its just not time to make a decision on who starts and who doesn’t. Their play will sort that out
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How about we bench Allen 1/3 of the time.
Rotate ’em all I say!
I would like to see Vontae and Smith in on some 1st downs or 2nd and long. That is going to be our future tandem after all.
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Then! play them both and seat WA! ; )
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We don't need to be starting 2 rookie corners
They will no doubt take the reigns next year with Allen being our nickel or trade bait
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Aleta I think youre great and I love hearing what you have to say
but I respectively and completely disagree lol
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u got it!!
BTW! If Sparano said they r so good and dont want to c them in the bench, then….
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Against the best QB in football?
You really don’t want us to win do you?
With what???
He might be the best QB, but what does he have to throw to? a TE that is NOT better that gonzo? please! The colts, in there house, almost loss to the jag!!!
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Reggie Wayne - 10 catches 162 yards 1 TD vs JAX
Clark might not be better, but he’s definitely faster. It would be wise, not to underestimate Manning. The guy is just as good as Marino, and can make any WR look good on any given day. That doesn’t mean it always happens, but he has the ability to make it happen.
So!!
What u r telling me is that, i dont want the Dolphins to win because IF this or IF that with PM and putting the 2 rookies? lol
Then, if we dont put the 2 rookies, the IF this or IF that from PM are gone? and we win!! LOL, U r Mr Logic to me!!
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Can someone please translate what he just said?????
I’d reply, but I honestly have no clue what he was trying to say.
he is saying that you are stating that if we follow sparano's plan to rotate the rookies,
because we are playing Manning, we will lose. But simply NOT playing the rookies that way will make us win, even though we are still playing against the same QB with the same weapons available.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, I think it had something to do with....(I'll catch you up)
how he wanted to start both rookies. I said to do that against the best QB in the league wasn’t a very smart thing to do. He replied that Manning had no one to throw to. I replied with Wayne’s stats from the game, and how Clark, might not be Gonzo, but he’s still pretty good. He then replied with something I’m having a hard time decifering, so I asked for some assistance. That’s where you came in, and attempted to do so. Now that you have the background, maybe you can translate for me?
But I don't have a problem rotating the rookies.
What I do think is a bad idea, is starting both rookies at the same time against the best QB in football, which is what he suggested. If you wanna do that, let’s wait till week 4 against the Bills. I’m still unclear with what he’s trying to tell me.
i didn't say he was right.
i just said, that was his point. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you were just as confused as I was.
But after further consultation and study, with the best decipherers in the world. I think we have determined what he was saying. He said, that I said, he wanted the Dolphins to lose because he wanted to start both rookies at the same time against the best QB in the NFL, but if we don’t start both rookies, that I said we will win. Then something about me being Mr. Logic to him.
Not quite.
Sporano’s plan involves rotating the rookies one at a time opposite Will Allen, which I don’t have a problem with. Aleta was advocating playing both rookies at the same time, without Will Allen, which I said was a bad idea against Manning.
Sorry 4 not been in this thread earlier!!
and causing the confusion.
Let me rephrase! lol
luvs2 drink told me that i didnt want the Dolphins to win, because i said to play both rookies. He told me the PM is a Marino type of qb, that he can make ANY wr look GREAT! thats went my enigma(?) answer came in.
I said to luvs2drink that , he is saying that i want to loss this game if we put both rookies, but at the same time, he admit the PM is a GREAT qb that can make look good even the worse wr. So it doesnt matter who we put out there cause PM is gona crush us. Thats were the logic came in. If luv2drink is right, them whats the diff between swiching the rookies or put them in there? PM is gona get 400 yds on us anyway we him and me as his wrs lol
Anyway, i will try to be checking my threads more closelly. ; )
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him and me as his wrs meant..
luv2drink and i as PManning wrs
Dont want more confusions, we need to focuse on getting crush by PM godness arm lol
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He will not make more than 200yds
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Yes, Peyton Manning makes any WR look good
Especially when they’re facing two rookie corners. But if you have some veterans in there it can help offset having a rookie on one side. You assume too much of what I say, and read too much into it. There’s a big difference between 400 yards against two rookies, and say 250 against only one.
Well here's my two cents (for what its worth)
Like said earlier (by Matty I believe…yes it was) The falcons receivers only gained 80 yards ALL GAME. I for one believe Roddy is a more dangerous receiver than Wayne. Wayne will be covered by Allen all game and possibly have a safety over the top to help out. The other two receivers playing will be Austin Collie (a rook who did nothing last week) in the slot and Pierre Garcon (who got beat out of his job by Collie) and now Hank Baskett (whos done next to nothing).
Personally I dont think this is a problem at all. We all saw how miserable Jax’s secondary was in the preseason and yet Indi only scored 14 points AT HOME. Lets keep in mind this isn’t the same Indi team of the last few years with Harrison and Wayne scaring people. Wayne’s out on his own and basically has no help outside of Clark. And I dont care what anyone says, Clark is not nearly as good as Gonzo. Gonzo is a future hall of famer and Clark is not.
With that said, Davis is a physical force who will rock these young receivers and Smith, while he’s a playmaker got burned badly against White last week. He’s far from a lock to be better than Davis. Both have different strengths and rotating them can only lead to playing to those strengths.
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Yeah,
the comparing of Clark to Gonzo doesn’t really stand up. Clark had his best year last year, but was still 300 yards shy of Gonzalez. Clark was also targeted much more because of a shitty O-Line that didn’t give Manning any time whatsoever. He’s good, but not excellent.
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would be Davis/Smith on Wayne. Davis can press him, while Smith can counter his size. I would double Clark with a LB/S on passing downs, with the other S playing over the top of Wayne. Let Allen go one-on-one with Collie or Garcon.
Who is accounting for the rb dump off?
god we need faster linebackers
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Luckily it's just Joseph Addai,
So we should be able to cover him with a LB.
because Ryan missed some wide open shots.
they would have had a lot more than 80 yds if he’d a hit em
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
How is a corner supposed to get a feel for how the receivers play if you keep taking him out??
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Just an Idea
Not real sure about cover packages teams play. Seems like our LB’s and Safeties were giving up some short stuff. Why not use Davis to cover TEs and backs? I don’t like the rotating thing either. So maybe you play them both? You guys know this stuff better than i do.
Davis may be big for a corner,
but he’s really small compared to RBs and TEs. Which means he’d be good at keeping up with them, but if they catch the ball. He might have a harder time trying to tackle them.
I was actually thinking Vontae is the same height and weight as an average RB
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t expect Vontae to be toppling Brandon Jacobs anytime soon (I’d hate to see him end up like LaRon Landry on opening night last year), but I think he’s about 5’11, 205 lbs. and is built much thicker than most cornerbacks. I totally agree with you on the tight end point, though.
I agree, we should let one start and see what that does,
I just think it’s Davis that should start, Smith got burned bad twice and he was losing ground with every step, if that happens against Manning those are TDs, neither guy played bad but Smith had his worst day and Davis had his best day, and Davis is a force against the run and short passing/screen plays that Smith never will be, plus Davis just plays faster, very explosive burst.
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You should never play a corner on a conventional TE
However Clark is not a conventional TE.. he isn’t really big and strong so a fast safety and or a strong corner should be able to cover him when he’s split out. The problem comes from when they are in a normal formation. You don’t want your corner in when they run the ball.. So nickel can be an option but I’d rather have a fast safety cover him than Davis. Chris Clemons anyone? Although Culver was pretty good in coverage last week
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Culver was pretty good...
surprised me!
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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
im a beast with culver in madden
had to put it our there
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They made Vontae Davis so ridiculously fast in that game. It’s like lining up against The Flash or something.
yea, i kno!
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with the way the starting safeties are playing, Culver may be in more, I like him
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"Why not us?"- Tony Sparano
The way I see it, and it seems that Sporano sees it the same.
Neither CB has shown him to be his starter. He even says if one guy shows him that he deserves to be on the field all the time, he’ll go that route. Obviously that hasn’t happened yet. So, say what you will about training camp and preseason. It obviously wasn’t enough to convince Sporano of who his definite starter is. If it becomes counterproductive for one of them, that just shows you who is ready to play and who isn’t. A good player can come in and play whenever called upon.
I disagree with the decision, but I also understand why Sparano is doing this
Smith is too talented to be on the bench while the Dolphins honor Davis’ first round draft status, and Davis has the kind of mentality where early confidence will be crucial for his development as a pro, so I think I understand why Sparano feels obligated to cycle them in and out right now. Someone brought up the concept of diminishing rookie fatigue, and I think that’s a really valid point.
It’s just my opinion, but I don’t think Vontae’s preseason was really as rough as some people have made it out to be (except for the ridiculously stupid penalties he took against Jax — those had me cringing), and he’s proven to be every bit the sound open-field tackler we were hoping he was when we drafted him (which is something I kept thinking about when Yeremiah whiffed on Gonzo in the red zone last Sunday). Vontae’s ball skills aren’t really anywhere close to Smith’s, but I think his physical, aggressive style will pay dividends for us once the game really does slow down for him. I look forward to us having one of the nastiest secondaries in football for years to come.
Both
Both of them have weaknesses, Sean doesn’t do well in the quick short coverage but does wonderfully (usually) against the long stuff…Vontae is a vicious hitter…which we need, and I suppose it’s six to one, half a dozen the other right now in Sparano’s eyes. Don’t forget, he sees them a bit more than you and I do.
I think it is about as wise a decision as rotating CP10 out and bringing White in every so often
Both are bad ideas.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
what do you guys think...
I’m starting to think that Sparano and the gang realize that we aren’t winning to Super Bowl this year and really are in constant experimenting mode building toward year three or four.
It looks like the preseason really is still going on for them.
for instance...
I think even popping Pat White in here and there or swapping Vontae and Sean are just tests to see how guys react to different situations and to see how different teams react to different sets.
Sparano would be fired if that's what he's doing...
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i doubt it
it almost makes sense, as long as he doesn’t actually SAY that’s what he’s doing.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds familiar....
The exact stupid thing they are doing at running back. Our best player comes off the field every other drive for an inferior back.
I dont know why they do this at times.
Our two top backs seem to get better the more rushes they get.
by texascowpunk on Sep 18, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree. All they should be working on this week is run blocking
hat ona hat, battle in the trenches. Then ride the R&R express to glory!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
throw them both in the fire
I like giving both of them time to get on the field and learn. Aside from the QB I think CB’s need the most field experience. Most would agree that Davis is very talented yet very raw. If he spend prolonged amounts of time on the bench it will do nothing but hinder his ability to improve as a player. Someone also mentioned using them depending on the match up, which I liked a lot. They both bring rather different skill sets to the game.
I agree to a point...
Maybe what we saw and what Sparano saw were 2 different things. Smith had 2 interceptions and some good coverages but maybe he is more suited to the style of playing Jason Allen’s position but he’s just not there yet. Vontae played the short side of the field for most of his college career so I’d say he has more experience than Smith at that position so Sparano may be giving them more time to fight it out. Who knows, for what it’s worth neither of them have given up a touchdown yet so he may not have to make that decision yet.
If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....
why not just keep Vontae at NB
the Colts like to spread the field so we’d see more Nickel packages right?
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Sporano's teaching Davis how to play.
The guy’s got to be on the field against number 1’s and 2’s to learn.

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