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Dolphins vs Colts: Three Key Matchups

The Dolphins must find a way to prevent Dwight Freeney (93) from doing to Chad Pennington what he's doing here to David Garrard.

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The Dolphins must find a way to prevent Dwight Freeney (93) from doing to Chad Pennington what he's doing here to David Garrard.

It's time now to put last week's debacle in Atlanta behind us and move forward by turning our attention to Monday night's home opener against the Indianapolis Colts.  This will be the first meeting between the Dolphins and Colts since New Year's Eve 2006, won by the Colts in Indianapolis.  The Colts have won the last two meetings between these two teams.  But the Dolphins have won the last four meeting prior, dating back to that classic playoff game in 2000.

We'll kick off our coverage of Monday night's game by talking about three critical matchups.  Just how critical?  The Dolphins lost two of the three I listed last week - and we saw how that game turned out.

Jake Long/Vernon Carey vs Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis
This is a big one, isn'it it?  Last week we saw Jake Long look very bad against one of the best pass-rushers in the league.  Things don't get any easier in week two.  He'll likely be up against Dwight Freeney all game long.  While Freeney may be under-sized, he's not any smaller than John Abraham.  And we saw just what Abraham did to Jake last week.

For all the criticism that's been thrown Jake's way after last week's game, people seem to be forgetting Vernon Carey also surrendered two sacks on the Falcons.  Both Jake and Vernon didn't look like themselves last week and the Colts have some tape to review now that exploit these tackles' weaknesses.

Freeney, historically, has been a thorn in Miami's side.  In three career games against the Dolphins, Freeney has three sacks and many, many more hurries.  Robert Mathis, though, has never gotten a sack of a Dolphins' quarterback in two career games against Miami.

Over the past four years, Freeney and Mathis have quietly become one of the best pass-rushing duos in the league.  Over that span, they have combined for an average of 17.5 sacks per season between the two of them. 

This will be no easy task for Miami's two bookends who must protect Chad Pennington far better than they did last week.  Expect to see some help in the form of chip blocks from Miami's backs to give Pennington enough time to survey the field.  With that said, though, Long and Carey will still be asked to block these two pass-rushers one-on-one at times.  And they simply cannot allow themselves to get beat as often as they did last week.  If they do, it could be a long day.

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Dallas Clark vs Yeremiah Bell/Gibril Wilson
The problem that the Dolphins had covering opposing tight ends in the preseason carried over to the regular season last week when Tony Gonzalez made big play after big play en route to a 5-73-1 performance on Sunday.  And even when one of Miami's safeties had good coverage on the big tight end, Gonzalez found a way to make the grab on perfectly thrown passes from Matt Ryan.

Things don't get any easier on Monday night for Yeremiah Bell and Gibril Wilson.  These two players will be asked to defend Colts tight end Dallas Clark for most of the game.  Clark, though, presents a different challenge than Gonzalez did.  Clark is shorter and faster than Gonzalez.  And with starting receiver Anthony Gonzalez on the shelf for Indy, there's a good chance Clark will be used even more split out wide as a slot receiver.  This poses an entirely different issue for the Dolphins.  Clark is too big and strong to matchup a cornerback with him.  But he's too quick for safeties.  So whoever gets the job of covering Clark play in and play out will have their hands full.

With Anthony Gonzalez out and Marvin Harrison gone, Peyton Manning will rely on Clark and WR Reggie Wayne more now than ever.  If the Dolphins can find a way to neutralize Clark, this dynamic Indy offense suddenly doesn't look as terrifying as it has in years past.

Dolphins pass rush vs Colts offensive line
The best way to attempt to contain Peyton Manning is to not let him physically throw the ball.  Of course, that's impossible.  But the next best thing is consistent pressure in Manning's face.  Last week, Manning was sacked just once by the Jaguars and was hit just two additional times.  That's three times Manning got knocked around on 30 drop backs.  You let that happen, and Manning will do just what he did to the Jaguars - complete 74% of his passes for over 300 yards.

This Indianapolis offensive line is far from a rock solid unit.  There's no reason the Dolphins shouldn't be able to get pressure on Manning on a consistent basis.  Joey Porter and Jason Taylor both should receive ample opportunities going against Indy's far from spectacular tackles.  Last week, Taylor did pick up his first sack of 2009 - but was relatively quiet for most of the afternoon.  Porter was just as quiet for the entire game - rarely even getting close to Matt Ryan.  Both of these guys must step up on Monday night.

But it goes beyond just Porter and Taylor.  Phillip Merling had an outstanding game last week and will look to build on that with another on Monday.  He got pressure on Matt Ryan three or four times.  From what I can tell, Merling is a "gamer" and I do expect another solid performance. 

But what about everybody else?  Channing Crowder blitzed a couple of times with no success last week.  Charlie Anderson needs to get in on the act.  Kendall Langford was invisible in week one from his defensive end spot - which was a disappointment for all of us after hearing such great things all offseason and camp long about how he has improved.  And what about Cameron Wake?  Will he be active on Monday night?

Somehow, some way, the Dolphins must get to Peyton Manning early and often.  If he's comfortable in the pocket right from the start, it could be a long night for this defense.

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Don't the dolphins sometimes wear their alternative jersey's on primetime games. Hopefully we'll see something like that.

And hopefully we’ll rebound..

I’m not gonna lie…im getting giddy about watching the fins play a primetime game…

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by finsxfactor on Sep 17, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im with ya fxf

gettin some primtime play is gonna be hella sweet. and that garauntees that ill see the game over here. hells yeah…

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

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by MrMedic on Sep 17, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wanna c the orange jersseys

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big fan of the orange jersey.

 But then again what do I know? Maybe they can blind the Colts? Because we will need to be firing on all cylinders for this matchup.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Orange Jersey!

It makes em look like the old Broncos

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang

am I the only one that likes the orange jersey?

by texascowpunk on Sep 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, you are the only one

Matty is just being kind because you are new here.

;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dig the orange

it looks sharp with the white pants

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does?

Does this officially make Ginn and his legs part of the “wild ass” formation that we came up with in another thread?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

it looks sharp gay with the white pants. Corrected

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by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like the orange uni's

but i like the old school white ones better.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Sep 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like them

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Banana..!!

Orange you glad I didn’t say…. wait…. that’s not right…. nvm….

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matty Matty Matty

how the heck can you forget the most important match up…miami’s run blockers vs indy’s run defense…

you have to keep manning off the field to win… indy has issues (without sanders) of stopping the run… MDJ ran wild last week and kept a crappy J-hole team in it the whole game…

Rickey & Ronnie have to run the ball well and oddly enough i expect them to too.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, it isn't a key match up.

It’s where we keep the ball (& the clock) and eliminate the other match ups.

rRr

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by Tunaflipper on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right on, W NY Fins fan

Either we run it this week and keep Peyton off of the field or we lose, period.

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by AussieKen on Sep 17, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didn't forget

but i just didn’t want to have 2 matchups about our OL vs their DL

that will be one of the keys to victory for that post later in the week.

by Matty I on Sep 17, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

compared to what MJD usually does to the Colts

he was pretty well contained on Sunday.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MJD

Isnt MJD a terrible Yahoo Sports blogger with a stupid looking french hat? Just saying….. AND, it wont be a trophy that Sanders is kissing on Monday, it will be our new wild ass formation with his lips against good ol’ Cammy’s hind quarters! LOL, couldnt resist!

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, that is him

he usually disses the Colts bad, but he was pretty well contained on Sunday. I think he was hungover.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brain Cramp..!
you have to keep manning off the field to win…

What kind of name is Manning..? It just twists in my brain and won’t get unknotted…. I mean…. we have suck… then comes sucking…
… we also have bone… then comes boning…

What the hell is manning..?! How the hell do you use that action/verb..?! I mean, I understand we have man… but what is manning..?!
… I think it must be a derivative of the first words I used…

The twisting in my brain is hurting… lol

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you are saying that you can't stop thinking about

sucking and boning manning?

you need a time out.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHA

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... what are you laughing at....?

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you. PAYBACK

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... ok, that didn't turn the way I thought...

… I see how you are…

LOL!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

calm down alpha

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... I'm calm... I'm calm...

… damit, everything got twisted the wrong…!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, ur not calm

take deep breaths

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

haha alpha

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my apologies matty

obviously this was completely wrong … and the only impact the o-line dominating had on the game was to put my over bet in doubt…..

sorry once again….

nothing to see here… these are not the doids we’re looking for.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 23, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Cameron should be activated..

BTW, we didnt have problems runing the ball last time, the coaching staff didnt commit to it.
Getting presure on the qb is not a problem, making TO IS!
We have to PROTECT the ball.
I dont think we forgot about that, just got confidence that no1 will hit us hard ; )
Clark might be a problem, but that will be the ONLY problem. Bell and Wilson better step it up or gave some time to Clemson.
All in all, the coaching staff HAVE to do there job!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 17, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ricky was running very well against the Falcons

bad coaching decision to keep dropping back with CP10.. we cant be that kind of team if we want to win

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you are down by 2 scores,

you don’t run as much as you throw. The fumble at the goalline put us in that situation.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*near the goal line

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the two scores were TDs I'd agree with you.

But it was only 10-0. You can’t abandon the run that quickly. Unfortunately, because we lack the big play strike, it becomes dire straits when we are down more than 7 points.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

QB

damn, the arm-chair QB’s are out early this week……….

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no mattter what regardless of record ill watch every snap...

but schedule is so tought this year it wont be to pretty ;(

by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 17, 2009 3:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am more worried about Wilson

Wilson is technically the FS and should be the backup for the Corners on the deep routes.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LCFF Wilson was/is our best safety

I agree that a more cover oriented safety would be better for our young cb’s but it is what it is. Wilson came up and played the run great. He also did well in coverage from what i saw. He did get thrown on like Bell did.

I am extremely glad we got Wilson from FA. Bell is just an average NFL safety. Hopefully Clemons or Culver can progress enough to take is spot. But for right now Bell is a stop-gap safety… if worse comes to worse this year we have a shot at the Ed Reed clone Eric Berry

A safety duo of Berry and Wilson would be the NFL’s best

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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dammit he DIDN'T get thrown on like Bell

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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't just use the term "safety" like that

when talking about Bell and Wilson. While the team touts “interchangeable”, Bell is not fast enough to be a FS. Bell is a very good SS, and might actually be better in that role than Wilson. Wilson is a FS, and should be better in coverage than Bell.
While Bell has to cover TEs, backs, and slot receivers on the short stuff, Wilson should be responsible for stopping the big pass play down the field. Completely different responsibilities.

So I am not comparing Wilson and Bell. I am saying that I am concerned about Wilson being able to cover the deep ball.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well considering the longest pass play against us all year is 43 yards

I’d say he’s doing fairly well. I know that’s only through 4 preseason and one regular, but it’s something.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least it's less likely,

that Clark will throw Bell around like a rag doll like Gonzalez did.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He'll just run right by him... :(

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For some reason I can't think today..

They’ll be missing their one WR which is good cause he’s good…(I can’t think today)

Wake should be active

And I can’t wait to watch the game

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by Kdog92 on Sep 17, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anthony Gonzales

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by RJ2549 on Sep 17, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DEFENSE

Theres not a doubt in my mind that we’ll play good defense!! we must do a better job on offense. they have to move the ball. the jags always play good D on the colts, but they dont put enough points on the board to beat em!! GO PHINS

by SolomonJ on Sep 17, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Study the Jags game plan and then some...

they really had Indy on the ropes and were in position to win the game.

by Natalya on Sep 17, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jags successful gameplan

1. Have Peyton Manning make a bad throw to a double covered WR in the endzone while not under pressure.

2. Have Joseph Addai accidentally hit the ball against Jeff Saturday’s hip as he runs by causing him to fumble inside the Jags 30.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Key Matchups:

Me vs. my wife

she is a colts fan. it’s gonna get ugly.

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mine too

she wants peyton the odd time she calls out his name in bed but i don’t mind

by 604finsfan on Sep 17, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That SUCKs guys!! LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL... Lefty and 604 sucks guys...

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon alpha

now you are looking a little desperate… sorta grasping at straws… ?

you can do better than that.

;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooo dont wanna be in that house

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just...

Just smack her in the mouth like Brommell did to Manning! That will shut her up and put her back on the bench! LOL My wife is gonna stab me if she sees this post, lol.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't know my wife

she would pick up something heavy and smack me back…

and i would miss the game if i were unconscious.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Then I guess I wouldnt have to hear you b@#$% about how bad you thought CP10 played on Tuesday then! LOL.

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no worries there

i heard Henne is playing, so it shouldn’t be an issue

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

I knew that would be the next reply. Here is some food for thought, doesnt Dan Marino have a son that is probably getting close to college age? Does anyone know?

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by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 19, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

fail

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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by finsxfactor on Sep 19, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat White please!

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put PW in whatever formation

and them, let him do his thing ; )

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by Aleta on Sep 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Are you allowed to have two QBs on the field at the same time? I’d like to see Pat White lined up at WR/HB with Pennington under center in the shotgun formation.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm telling ya'

That play Seattle ran with Seneca Wallace and Matt Hasselbeck was sweet.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It could turn into a game of monkey in the middle with the DLinemen and

linebackers until a receiver gets open deep.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that thing would be what?

Overthrow the receiver? Get flustered and run? Or just suck in general?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looked good out there.

He had two plays under center to start his NFL career, the first of which he got clobbered when trying to run with it. He still got back in the game and calmly fired a hell of a bomb. Remember, Pat White does not work with first team receivers. He doesn’t have any basis to judge Ted Ginn’s speed.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't I be?

How many reps has Pat White taken with the first team?

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know, I'm not at every practice are you?

If we have a “Pat-Package” it would make sense for him to be getting snaps with the first team…..

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that's a dumb argument

there is no way we run that play if White hadn’t run it with Ginn… the play is DESIGNED to go to Ginn

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by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Much With So Little

I simply cannot get over how well our team plays with such little talent. As a long time fan of this team I am routinely impressed with the high level of play of our mainly no-name team. The organization and coaches this time around seem very competent. Everyone hates losing and losing bad. But we finally have some real signs of potential life for our football team. I cannot remember the last time I said that. Mid to late ’80’s maybe!! If we can remember the way last season went, there certainly were some games we would like to forget in our losses of last, but we should expect a failry similar plan of attack for this year. There is no panic only progression. This coaching staff is quitely efficient and will tweak and tinker until they get it right. As far as our future is concened, we will watch up week in and week out with really no brand names only two on D (and they are both old), against the best in the NFL. Our team is young and has improved on a few positions over last year. Our coaches are responsilbe for the prep. and they have proven that they belong here with a shiny new divisional title and a slightly improved brand new football team. We should salute the positives because even keeping a game close, with the players we have, is cause for a good deal of celebration!!

by labrat3105 on Sep 17, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have agreed with that last season

but i would not describe this team as “lacking talent” overall this year, although we are certainly lacking at a few positions.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry to say it LCFF,

but this team is seriously lacking in talent on the offensive side of the ball. And by talent, I’m talking production, not what someone perceives as talent or potential. Defensively we have talent, and it showed last week. Offensively we don’t, and it also showed last week.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we need a personnel change?

    I agree our offense was stagnant last week.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To who?

To make that argument you have to assume that you have a better player you can sub in. We don’t. The best players are on the field for us, which unfortunately isn’t saying much on offense.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was one game

There is plenty of time for this offense to prove themselves

by Ham420 on Sep 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't base my observations on one game.

How many 1000 yard rushers did we have last season?
How many 1000 yard receivers did we have last season?
How many players had more than 60 receptions?
And the one pro bowler on offense we had, only got into that game because the two people ahead of him pulled out of the game.
I’m not hating, I’m simply stating the facts. And the facts tell us the only star player on offense we have, is an injury prone 33 year old QB with a 2-4 playoff record.
That’s not to say we can’t win with the lack of talent we have, last year proved that.
But it was also against lesser opponents, where it was easier to hide.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i honestly believe that either Ronnie or Ricky could be a 1000 yds rusher

with focus on the running game and a primary role. unfortunately, or fortunately, however you choose to view it, we do not have one back that carries the load, and the o-line will probably be very good in run blocking once they play together a bit more.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's possible,

but the only problem is Ricky isn’t a young buck anymore. So I don’t know if he could make it through a complete season as the workhorse back. Same thing goes for Brown, but only because he’s never been the primary back in his entire college/professional career.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky is healthy and looking solid.

and he isn’t that old. I would be pretty comfortable with him taking the lead back role.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does look good,

but that’s also because he’s not taking the pounding of carrying the ball 20+ times a game. If you start giving him that many carries a game, he’s not going to be as effective by the end of the season. In the history of the game only a handful of backs have had multiple good years after 30. I believe their names were Payton and Smith, both HOF. That’s 2 RB out of thousands. There’s a reason for that.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm just sayin, Ricky is the healthiest I think I have seen him ever play

he is carrying that extra weight very well. Remember that one year he dropped like 10-15 lbs? He looked healthy but fragile for a RB. This year he looks solid.

I will give you that he might not be as fast as he once was, but he has a stiff arm to rival AP.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you miss the 2002 season?

That was Ricky’s healthiest season. I love Ricky, but I also realize it’s not the same Ricky that ran for almost 1900 yards.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should sit Ricky.....

He’s not the answer, he’s a lame ducker and losing his legs.
Ronnie is our future, we need to see what we have with him.
He needs PT.

wait….wrong argument…wrong players..my bad. ;)

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Wanny ruined that Ricky with 400 carries a year for 2

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think given all the time he has had

off that he still has plenty in the tank.

by texascowpunk on Sep 17, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, if you limit his carries.

His tank runs out quicker than a 26 year olds does. But 10-15 touches a game is perfect for him.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God, I wish they would give it to him.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

thats not a problem because we have them both….

by Ham420 on Sep 17, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... how many games did they win last year...?

… stats aren’t everything…

… winning is…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said they couldn't win.

Of course you can win games with no talent with a weak schedule. If they can win 11 games this year, then I’ll gladly retract my talentless statements. But then again if they do win 11 games, it’s most likely because someone stepped up and became a bonafide talent…….which would make my statements accurate.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tru dat alpha

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as i said, at a few positions, specifically WR and QB.

You were just gonna make me say it, werntcha?

;-)

PS – I reserve judgement on the oline until mid season.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said it, now I have to rebuff it

WR and QB? Tell me again who our 1000 receivers were last year? Or better yet, which ones had more than 60 receptions? 10 TD’s? As for QB, he did have a great season, I won’t argue that. But as history has showed, he was due a big season. Just as it shows, this is supposed to be his injury year. So while you reserve judgement on the o-line, I’ll reserve it on CP10 until he plays more than 10 games this year.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are backwards my friend

The entire quote is:

I would have agreed with that last season but i would not describe this team as "lacking talent" overall this year, although we are certainly lacking at a few positions.

Followed by:

at a few positions, specifically WR and QB.

You are arguing the same point I was making.

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh, so you're saying we have talent in all the other positions?

Ok, let me change my comment to adjust.
Tell me again how many 500 yd TE’s we had? How many had more than 40 catches? How many 1000 yard rushers? How many 1st team all pro OL? 2nd team? 3rd team if there is one? You’re basing their talent on what you think they are capable of, not what they have actually done. Ricky was good back in the day, but not an every down back anymore. And I’m sorry to say, Ronnie hasn’t exactly wow’ed anyone yet. So where’s the talent?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Settle down Beavis!

no, i did not say ALL other positions, but we absolutely have talent at RB. Not just R&R, but yes, just because you didn’t see anything special in this last game does not man those two guys are ballers. they definitely are, and that is one of the few things I would put money on concerning this team. Don’t argue it will be now, let’s just disagree and discuss it again at mid point in the season after the line has had a chance to settle in a bit.

And I already said I reserve judgment on the o-line until they play a few more games.

As for TE’s, yd #s, etc…. that’s nit picky. IMO. Plenty of teams have TEs that are talents and fulfill their roles without hitting those kinds of numbers, because that is not what they are asked to do. Fasano doesn’t usually miss a blocking assignment or a catch, and that is all you want from your TE.

My, you are especially contentious today, aren’t you? =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up, Butthead! Fire! Fire!

You implied all other position by not including them. I’m not basing my viewpoint based on one game. Other than Thomas and Grove, these are the same lineman from last year, still no All Pros among them. The TE’s, Fasano is the only one who actually has some real gametime to evaluate. Sure he’s a competent TE, but why should we settle for competent instead of something more? 23 TE’s had more receptions. 17 TE’s had more yards. 16 TE’s had more 1st downs. He was however 3rd in TD’s so I’ll give him props for red zone effectiveness. But there’s a reason he was a backup in Dallas.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

23 TEs had more receptions

because David Martin was getting as many looks as Fasano last year. Come on man, you know this.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeremy Shockey and Billy Miller both had more receptions

And they both play for NO.
Tony Schefler and Daniel Graham had more receptions than Fasano and Martin respectively, and they both play for DEN.
DAL TE’s accounted for almost 40 more receptions than ours combined.
5 TE’s had more catches than our TE’s combined.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think comparing Witten to

our TEs is fair considering Witten is Romo’s #1 target.

How many receptions did Denver’s RBs account for last year? Our RBs get in the mix much more than Denver’s, so that takes some looks away from TEs. Plus, Cutler had 616 passes last year, Pennington had 476. Denver was a throw first team.

Do I really need to point out that Drew Brees THREW for over 5000 yards last year, of course his tandem had more receptions.

Those are completely different systems/circumstances that don’t compare well to our team. I think our TEs play just fine, so long as Fasano holds on to the ball. Haynos had a nice reception although it was a tricky play that left him wide open.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said they played badly,

I was simply stating we could be more talented in that area.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wants a fast receiving TE

Fasano is a pure TE.. good blocker who can catch but isnt running away from anybody.. I cant blame him we do have a severe lack of playmakers on this team

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No TE is really going to run away from anybody

But I would like one who is more of a receiving threat. I think Fasano is more of a blocker than a receiver. I still wish we never got rid of McMichael.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow day at work.

Besides, he was assuming what I wanted, and it was incorrect.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with CP10 comment.

   I think he will take a step back this year. And although we have a rag-tag group of recievers If we had the right QB we could take these recievers and make them into something. Just look at Drew Brees and the Saints.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MNF

Miami will run on the Colts all night long, and the pass rush will be awesome. I would hate to be the team that comes into our stadium on Monday night after an embarrassing loss like last week. This one will be on to record.

by oceantracks on Sep 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I too would hate to be the team that comes into Landshark Stadium.

 But for different reasons. Who wants to hear Jimmy Buffet at the half time show? I’d be more terrified of the actual star power behind Landshark Stadium then the actual Dolphins themselves.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please no....

and the halftime show is everybody “do that conga…..”

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ewww...

maybe we will get lucky and Serena Williams will come out and start screaming at the refs?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just

hope she threatens to shove a ball down someones throat again!

by texascowpunk on Sep 17, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't that be awesome?

hell, i bet she would frighten Joey!
;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think Serena has been hanging out with Peezy to much

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wanna hear t pain

just kidding

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...... I want to see J-lo's ass!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me 2

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. That's the game plan.

if they execute, it should be sweet.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bet!

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.
-Dan Birdwell

by snook36 on Sep 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

make that...

“one to record”….

by oceantracks on Sep 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Agree

Our O-line MUST step up. This is Sparano’s baby, and we have a lot of $$$ invested in them, so I am expecting a great group. By the end of the year, they should be gelling, or we will be in serious trouble. Both pass protection and run blocking were putrid last week, and that has got to improve for us to have any chance.

Safety is another position that we are heavily invested in, but right now we are seeing a lack of cover skills. I am interested to see if our rookie gets a chance if this trend of not being able to cover TEs continues.

Our run D is looking really good this year, but our defense needs a pass rush badly! Without a pass rush WRs have more time to get open and cause separation, and with the teams we are facing this year, that could really kill us.

I am not sure why we haven’t invested $$$ into a great WR. None of our WRs are game changers. We really need to use Ginn as a KR/PR because he is not astarting quality WR – a good slot WR, I do believe he can be, however. I am interested in how this year plays out.

by KnoxVegas on Sep 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think our safeties will be fine

Tony Gonzalez is an amazing tight end, he makes a lot of defenses look bad….I saw Gibril break up a pass or two and a few of Tony’s catches were in excellent coverage. It was just one game, I wouldn’t call it a trend…Im sure they’ll fare well

by Ham420 on Sep 17, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hope yer right

i am also a little concerned about our safeties in coverage.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I wonder how Clemons will fair. I’m sure he’ll get some playing time soon.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's fast

and he looks like he is not afraid of contact. if he is a ballhawk we are in business.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again we won't know how good Ginn is until we get a QB that can get him the ball down the field

so please hold your judgments until then… but i do agree that we need a big time possession WR

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about Ginn,

he had nice separation when Pat White overthrew him. He could be a force if he had a QB with arm strength. Hell, all of our receivers would look better with a strong armed QB. Let’s just make sure we get an ACCURATE strong-armed QB first.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had separation because it was a Gadget Play...

He needs to separate on the regular offense more often, and he doesn’ t because he continues to run sloppy routes, and isn’t very quick out of his cuts.

He spent a large amount of time in the offseason practicing his routes, but they still aren’t there….

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had separation because it was a go route,

and that’s what he did.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had separate because it was a go route

and we ran a gadget play, that they “bit” on….

He runs Go Routes all the time…do you see separation? No. Thats because he’s fast, but in the NFL he’s only a little bit faster than everyone else on the field. This isn’t college, Speed doesn’t get you open in this league.

Example: The Entire Raiders offense.

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you see close ups on Ginn after every play?

Does he really not get any separation, or is he being used to pull safeties like last year? Does Pennington just choose not to throw to a good go route from Ginn because he knows there’s a good possibility the ball will be under thrown? Unless you are at the games, you don’t see any more of the field than I do.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And PS,

Sunday’s game was the first game I ever went to.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been to maybe 5-6 since Ginn got drafted.

All of them away games…sadly.

But, he really doesn’t get that much separation. He’s maybe 2 tenths of a second faster in shorts than the DBs in the league….. but they don’t do 40 yard dashes in full pads (I wish they did), so we don’t know.

DBs playing Ginn either make up for the speed difference with a small cushion, or he gets jammed at the line, and he really is HORRIBLE when he gets jammed….

Also keep in mind, he only ran 3 routes in college….total. . So his route running is still being developed.

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course he's horrible when he gets jammed.

The guy only weighs 180lbs soaking wet!! But you just explained yourself why he doesn’t get seperation, cause that’s what good DBs do to fast WR. And the only other routes he can be truly effective on with his size are out routes and hooks, which CP10 can’t throw effectively.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point too.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that a good point?

He just admitted that Ginn isn’t a #1 WR in this league :)
In the NFL, WR’s get open by getting in and out of their cuts quickly. That is where they get their separation, even slower WRs can get wide open by running a good route.

Ginn just doesn’t do either.

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody here is saying Ginn should be our #1 target WR

Ginn is however a threat to any defense but defenses now dont have to respect his speed since we have a QB that doesn’t/can’t throw a go route and it him in stride.

When we finally get that QB Ginn will be occupying a safety all game or feast on the cushion corners have to give. He does need to work on getting off the jam though

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is considerably faster than most in the NFL.

The reason you don’t see him get open is because teams put a safety over the top of him to negate his speed, not to mention the fact they know Pennington can’t deliver the 50yd strike he needs to use his speed. Speed is only meaningless if you don’t have a QB who can deliver the ball in stride and leading the receiver (it’s not the Raiders receivers fault their QB is a 53% passer).

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think? Ginn ran a 4.38

JaMarcus Russel has a monster arm and is surrounded by crazy speed…..
and ummmm, we know that answer.

Troy Williamson is burner at 4.32, and he couldn’t get open with Daunte Culpepper, Hasselback OR Garrard throwing to him.

Our own former Chris Chambers runs a 4.33….and how is he doing with Phillip Rivers?

Santa Moss ran a 4.31 and he’s inconsistent

Heyward-Bey – 4.30……can’t catch a pass

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off, great speed doesn't necessarily mean great receiver.

If a WR can’t catch (Williamson) it doesn’t matter how fast he is.
If a QB can’t hit the broad side of a barn or has a weak arm (Russell, Pennington, Campbell) it doesn’t matter how fast his receivers are.
If a WR plays injured (Chambers), he’s not going to be as fast.
If a WR is a rookie, ya’ gotta give him more than one regular season game to throw him under the bus.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's played for 2 years....

so I’m legally able to throw him under a bus.

by Fr8Train on Sep 17, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am.

Heyward-Bey was just drafted number 7 of this years draft. Aren’t I supposed to be the one drunk?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

Ginn falls into the second category with the Raiders receivers and Santana Moss.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

but he did also play injured last year. Not to mention the guy was still trying to learn the offense. I’m still suprised he ran that fast. Why was he so slow when he was on our team?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I think what I’m saying is that it is kind of stupid of our coaches not using one of the best return men in the game as…well, a return man. I think if we had him returning punts and kicks, and working as a slot receiver we could uncover his true ability as a superb player.

He is significantly better at returning kicks than most players in this league, and he just isn’t the starting quality WR, at least up to this point in his career.

Being in the slot would allow him to (1) develop his WR skills and (2) create mismatches in coverage.

by KnoxVegas on Sep 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

also avoid the press which he struggles with

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree!

it is absolutely ridiculous to not use one of the best return men in the league to return kicks!

The only question I have is, how to we get get the Bears to trade him to us?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Will.I.Am

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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Example: The Entire Raiders offense.

BOOSH! +1

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point about Jax's D-line

 That was great usage of statistics. Peyton is one of the best QBs in the league. We can not give him the luxury of being in the pocket all day. If we fail to get in his face or put hin on his ass he will make our secondary look like swiss cheese.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree Cooler....

… this is where I also think the Dolphins are superior and should win this battle. The only viable or above average players along the Colt’s line id center Saturday and left guard Lilja. There should a good and consistent push into Mannings face all day long…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 18, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with getting pressure on Manning,

but I think we need to do it by pressing the receivers. How do you think the Pats used to own the Colts? They used to beat up Wayne and Harrison on the line not allowing them to get into their routes, which throws off Manning’s timing, leading to him making bad throws. We have the physical CB’s to do it as well with Smith and Davis. I know they’re rookies, but if they can get some hits on those receivers, it slows down the timing of the play. Allowing our rushers more time to get to Manning. Cause if we can’t get any pressure on Manning, and allow his receivers to run all over the field…..Don’t think Manning will miss those deep passes that Matt Ryan missed.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

 I didn’t even think about pressing the recievers. However, although I do think that we have very physical CBs, they are also very raw. I’m hoping they keep their cool and break up a few plays. I think Peyton will have a few big plays not many but a couple. I’m looking forward to how our defense as a whole reacts after said big play. Will it strengthen their resolve or will they become discouraged?

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and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know why teams don't always press the wr's of Brady and Manning

so much of their success is based on timing. The best ways to break that timing up is jamming the Wr’s and getting pressure/hits on the QB

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Sep 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we know how Tony Dungy cried to the competition committee

So they told the refs to be more strict, and voila’. Colts win the SB! But they can still knock em around within 5 yards, and that should be enough.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh noes

the Colts asked the NFL to actually enforce the rules they had on the books.

WHAT WHINERS!!!!!!

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by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know what made it even funnier

Dungy played DB back in the days when you could beat up a receiver all over the field. Maybe he should of been telling his receivers to grow a pair, and man up.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seriously?

If a rule is different than it was when the coach was playing that coach should ignore it?

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What he should have done is told his players to do it.

Unfortunately, he didn’t have the DBs to do it with. But in all honesty, it was probably Harrison who did the most complaining. Wayne was still wet behind the ears, and Stokely was a real trooper. With Wayne having some years on him now, and Dallas Clark, it might not be as effective. But I still say getting a good jam on the line helps us disrupt Mannings timing, and gives our pass rush an extra second or two.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I think alot of coaches were probably doing it.

They were just stupid enough to get caught. But 3 Super Bowls is hard to argue with. And it’s not like he was blatantly breaking the rules during the game, they were just more liberal with the 5 yard rule. If the refs aren’t calling it, can you blame them for using it? Like I said, you play to win the game, and you take whatever advantages you’re given.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

take any advantage you are given

like having your GM who is on the competition committee push to get the illegal contact rules enforced?

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it was done in private, I would agree with you.

But this was all over the media, and just made them look like they were whining. Especially after getting knocked out of the playoffs two years in a row by the Pats.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what if pushing it in the media was required to turn the advantage into a actual change?

put public pressure on the rest of the committee. Then you’d be for it right? It’s playing to win that game, and it’s not even breaking any rules.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, no, you got it wrong again..

he is only FOR it if it DOES break rules.

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite.

The Pats weren’t exactly breaking the rules, just bending them as much as the refs allowed them to. Wouldn’t you if it helped you win?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, the Pats grabbing and jamming Colts WRs outside of 5 yards

in the 2003 playoffs playoffs.

It was against the rules, but the refs hadn’t been enforcing that rule as it was written. Which is why the competition committee (which Colts GM Bill Polian is a member of, and Tony Dungy was on a panel of coaches that advised the committee at the time) passed a point of emphasis on it. Basically a memo to the refs to read the rule again and enforce it as written.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

they were jamming our receivers outside of 10 yards from what i remember (and based on the game of the week tape)

by metal_militia on Sep 18, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the whole reason it was in the media

Because they didn’t have enough support in the committee. And while it helped them get it through, it also made them look bad. But once they got a Super Bowl win they didn’t care.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping we would play Indy in the playoffs last year,

instead of Baltimore. I think Indy is a really good matchup for us… probably the best matchup out of all the upper echelon teams.

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by joel311 on Sep 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing to note about the Jax game.

They started two rookies at both tackle spots and only gave up one sack.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

only because Garrard is fast and elusive.

They would have given up a lot of sacks without such a mobile QB.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He runs because he's got a release as slow as Leftwich.

A QB with a quicker release and can progress through his reads quickly is just as effective.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's ridiculous

no one has ever, or ever will have a release even close to as slow as Leftwich’s.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garrard was his understudy for a couple years

42 sacks last year means he’s doing something wrong back there.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Jags whole interior line went down early in the season

and they cut both starting tackles replacing them with rookies.

I’m big on the factor QBs play in sack rate, but sometimes it is just the OL.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

obviously the cut and replacing of the tackles happened after the season

the point being neither tackle was highly regarded because of their play last year.

It's not just your perceptions that can be wrong. Even your memory is often incomplete or possibly flat out wrong.

by shake n bake on Sep 17, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets see

Peyton plays like ass when he’s under pressure, so lets hope we can get a few good hits to rattle him and changing their gameplan to have Clark stay back as a blocker.

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 18, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont say much, but wen i do, i make everyone loose 10000 brain cells

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

aww man.... that's not true

you severely underestimate your effect on people.

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that good?

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

put another way

your use of three word sentences is awe inspiring

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 18, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks lefty

means a lot coming from u

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by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... get a room you two... lol

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by Alpha6 on Sep 19, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we'll also reserve one for u and mosul

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by samdaman on Sep 19, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh sam?

we aren’t getting a room.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 20, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Sep 20, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vonte Davis 1-on-1 vs. Dallas Clark

thats a matchup I would like to see and it should be a good indicator on just how dynamic Davis can be for us.

Davis is a physical freak and has the strength, speed, and size to shadow Clark …..I for one want to see what he can do! Yes I know Davis is a CB and Clark is a TE but Davis to me is more of a tweener S/CB so he could be the answer to all our TE woes

by strider0469 on Sep 19, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly what I was about

to make a post about(among other things). All the hype has been about his ability to play the run and it seems h does well on shorter routes. Neither one of them are tall and it would be a good test for the young cornerback because Clark probrably be used as a wr. He is also our strongest Defensive back that is fast enough to run with him (or maybe Clemons). He also is more used to the short field because he was a boundary corner in college.

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by kewlguy on Sep 20, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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