The Phinsider: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
New Blog: Anonymous Eagle covering Marquette!

The grass is not always greener...

It's amazing what one ugly game can do to a fan base.  Dolphin fans that were filled with so much anticipation and hope this time last week suddenly seem to be going crazy with panic.  Instead of attempting to move forward and focus on Monday night's home opener against the Colts, Dolphin fans on this site and other websites across the web are attacking one another and throwing out wild assumptions that are based on just 60 minutes of regular season football. 

Yes - that's right.  Did you forget?  The Miami Dolphins will be on national television on Monday night to open up their 2009 home schedule.  We should all be talking about how excited we are and how electric that stadium is going to be as the 2008 AFC East Champions take the field in primetime on national television.  But we're not.  Instead we're talking about a non-existent quarterback controversy.

Being completely honest, one of the things that always kills me is how much credit the starting quarterback gets when things are good and how much blame the same starting quarterback gets when things are bad.  There's an old saying I always think of when this tired "Chad Pennington vs Chad Henne" debate comes up - the back-up quarterback is always the most popular player on a struggling football team.

Be careful of what you wish for, Dolphin fans.

Star-divide

We all wanted to get rid of the "care-taker quarterback" back in 2007, too.  We all wanted to see the hot-shot rookie who was supposed to be the long-term QB solution.  That didn't work out too well.

I also think back to the Jay Fiedler era.  It seemed like every single year had some Dolphin fans calling for Fiedler to be benched in favor of the back-up quarterback who they believed was the better player.  And it didn't matter if it was Damon Huard, Brian Griese, Sage Rosenfels, or A.J. Feeley.  Some Dolphin fans were just convinced that these guys were far superior to Fiedler.  How did that work out?

But it's not just in Miami where this happens.  Take the 2008 New York Jets, for example.  Almost all Jets fans wanted to ditch Chad Pennington and bring in Brett Favre.  Favre was supposed to be better.  He had the cannon arm.  He had all the career achievements.  He simply had more talent.  But a funny thing happened - Favre wasn't the player everybody thought he would be.  By the end of 2008, I had Jets fans coming up to me telling me how much they miss Pennington.  And I'm convinced, just as those same Jets fans were, that Pennington could have taken that Jets team to the playoffs.  Of course, we'll never know.

To be fair, there are just as many examples of success as there are failures.  Tony Romo was a success replacing Drew BledsoeAaron Rodgers was a success replacing Brett Favre.  So it can happen.

But what makes you think Chad Henne right now would be an upgrade over Pennington?  Was it his "stellar" preseason?  Was it the fact that he continually struggled to get the ball into the endzone during training camp two-minute drills?  Or was it all of his "success" at Michigan?

Have any of you seen anything to make you think Chad Henne can be a good quarterback in this league?  Anything at all?  Please - if you have, let us know.

The time will come for Chad Henne.  And I do believe he'll be at least an above-average NFL quarterback once it does come.  But that time simply isn't now.  He isn't ready.  And it's not worth the risk of losing the entire locker room by benching a team captain and the offensive leader at this point in the season.

Everybody wants to make assumptions, it seems.  Well I'm going to do some assuming of my own.  If Chad Henne was to take over this football team right now, the Dolphins don't even sniff a .500 record.  Period.  You replace Pennington with Henne and you are indeed throwing in the towel just 60 minutes into the 2009 season.  Is that the kind of message you want to send this team?

Henne will get his chance.  If the Dolphins fall out of contention early, he'll get his chance this season.  But don't rush it.

The grass is not always greener on the other side.

1 recs  |  Comment 748 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Excellent post Matty, excellent.

This is what I told someone on another post and since you brought the debate over here I would like to say this to all the people who are in favor of benching Pennington and bringing in Henne.

In principle you are correct. I too believe that
we need a long term solution at the QB position. Also that Henne needs time under center in real games to make progress in his development. However I dont see the rush in bringing him in because of a couple of reasons-
1- Henne is not ready- The guy just stunk it up real bad during the off season. It is clear that he can still use some time on the bench, watching tape of real game situations, really just being a student of the game. All those tendencies he showed during the pre season, like you have said before can not be corrected 100% off the field, but they can be minimized if he becomes a true student of the game and gets more acquainted with his teammates and overall with everything that goes on in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers held the clipboard for 3 full seasons before being a starter and look at him now. Bottom line, Henne can use all the grooming he can get, and then some more.

2- Yes, this franchise its looking towards the future, but along the way something came up and we rode it till it took us to the playoffs. This players want to win now and they already proved they can. Yes, the future is there and nobody wants to mess with it, but why not keep riding this Cinderella story till it lasts ?

3- Veterans want to win- As much as we as fans want to dismiss this season or even last season as garbage time in favor of a successful rebuilding process, most of the players not only want to win now, but they believe they can do it. Just look at Joey Porter , Jason Taylor , Will Allen Yeremiah Bell or Jason Ferguson go, those guys won’t see the glory days 3 or 4 years from now. This coaching staff owes them putting the best product on the field. That right now is not a 2nd year quarterback.

4- I understand your urgency. This team will be very very good soon. But how soon? We’ve got an O-Line that is playing together for the first time ever, a franchise LT who still seems too immature nfl wise, we got two rookie cornerbacks, one of them who can’t even get on the field let alone begin to shorten his learning curve. We don’t even have a young NT waiting on line to replace Jason Ferguson. The young safety Clemons is buried in the depth chart in favor of Yeremiah Bell. Hell, our brand new 3rd round pick isn’t even getting dressed for game day. Not to say we still have to go out there and get ourselves a true number one receiver (no ginn wont ever be one, kenny britt right now is two times the receiver ginn will ever be). So there, we are still way way way too young.

So whats the rush? Lets enjoy what we have right now, the future will take care of itself.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said..!
So whats the rush? Lets enjoy what we have right now, the future will take care of itself.

This is so true here with our beloved Dolphins, but it makes sense to me in many aspects of my life too!!! Excellent words right there…

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets enjoy what we have right now, the future will take care of itself.

So you 2 are enjoying watching our QB turn it over 6 times his past 2 starts?

Not me.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whats his record his last 2 starts?

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 out of his last 12....WINS.

Look, Lets take a closer look at Henne shall we?

First Michigan QB to go 0-4 against Ohio State (can he win the big game?)

2004 – College record 9-3. Had Playmakers like Braylon Edwards, Steve Breaston, and Mike Hart around him.

2005 – College record 7-5
             Henne criticized for taking a Team ranked 5th in polls to a 3-3 start…
             Completed less than half his pass attempts against ND, fumbled on
             the goal line.

2006 -College Record 11-2
            Talent around him: Jake Long, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Lamar
            Woodley, went 11-0 before losing to OSU, and then to USC in the Bowl
            Game. Again….can he win the big game?

2007 – College Record 9-4
             
What I see, is a QB who can’t win a big game, even when surrounded by a lot of talent.

What makes you think that he’s any better than Pennington given his previous experience?

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DUDE! You are arguing for STARTING Henne!

Don’t you realize that if you think Henne is not the guy to take over for CP, we need to know sooner than later.
Pennington is done after this year man! He will be 34 before the start of camp next year and even without talking about his contract being up, what do you think is going to happen to his arm strength? I mean, guys with big arms can play til they are in their mid thirties, but Pennington has MAYBE 2 yrs left? 3 tops?

I, for one, and sick of being “one piece away”. After we lost our running game to the WFL, we struggled with finding another, even with a franchise QB like Marino. We wasted Marino because we couldn’t get a complete team. The we build an awesome Defense, and can’t find an Offense. Then we get an awesome RB, but still can’t get a QB.

The pieces are coming together to FINALLY have a complete team. We are maybe one offseason away…. even if we do well this year, we still need our rookie DBs to develop, and our O-line to stabilize. We may even need to fill in a piece or two of the O-line next offseason if we didn’t get it right this year. The LAST thing I want to have happen, is to build a solid team in all aspects but QB, and then waste what we have built through years of trial and error trying to find a passer.

Sorry man, but I have been a fan for too long, through the “almost decades”, to watch the cycle repeat. Let’s find the franchise QB now and move on.

If you are right about Henne, I would rather know it now, than take two more years after this season to find out.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

we should start henne if the losses keep coming.

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put Henne in isn't giving up on the season

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

putting in a qb that hasnt taken first team snaps

and benchin the captain of the team without an injury…
is my definition of giving up on the season but thats just me

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad its just u

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

whats thats supposed to mean?
if its a diss than F U…
if its not than nvm

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he means that yes, that is your definition

but not everyone agrees with it. not a diss.
=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are assuming that Henne will be more miserable than Beck

i complete disagree with your viewpoint. Beck was set up to fail; Henne has a reasonable supporting cast. You are talking about giving up on the season, but what you are really saying is you have already given up on Henne. If that’s how it is, we better go ahead an plan on drafting a rookie to play QB next year. You better hope you are wrong about Henne or the next few seasons might be looking pretty dismal.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well put

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW

That still doesn’t answer my question.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you seem to make the case for him

look at the talent he had around him…

after jake long… is there another offensive player worth having on that list???? maybe butter fingers edwards…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are telling me that you did not

enjoy last season? Its a yes or no answer.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with what you're saying,

but I have to point out that Vontae Davis got a couple more snaps than Sean Smith. Sparano, is rotating them in and out.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 16, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

" If Chad Henne was to take over this football team right now, the Dolphins don't even sniff a .500 record. "

or it opens up the field for ted ginn and the running game!!

YOU NEVER KNOW.

IAMLEGEND

by woomar on Sep 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

seriously

how can anyone make this statement… yes henne may or may not be ready…. but we won’t know until he plays and
my question still stands will he be better then the lame ducker after starting 5 games…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point. He hasn't played any real football in a year.

Even the great tom brady didn’t look all that great for most of the game last night after missing a whole year.

IAMLEGEND

by woomar on Sep 16, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes i agree

i have no idea how anyone here can say henne is or is not ready, he hasn’t played and he should have played in the 4th with 7 minutes to go…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People think he isn't ready...

Because his only NFL experience was against backups and he wasn’t exactly good!?

GEtSICK 4 JC

by GEtSICK13 on Sep 16, 2009 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

he was also playing with the 2nd string o-line

and imagine how bad they are if the 1st teamers bombed so much.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not when the 2nd stringers are

actual nfl players vs the practice squaders the fins have as back ups… the depth on this team is VERY THIN on o-line.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd string def ends tony mcdaniel and philip merling

about equal to starks and langford

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, our D-Line makes me very happy.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you think there might

be a little difference between mcdaniel/merling/wake/soliai/anderson and say gardner/berger/murphy/garner/frye

which set of 5 would you rather see playing for the dolphins???

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DAMN

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it is pretty scarey what rests

behind the starting o-line….

but then i get accused of being a jet fan when i bring such things up.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was just one game but still...

I believe the it was the bucs game!

GEtSICK 4 JC

by GEtSICK13 on Sep 17, 2009 1:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

you can't just assume Henne can throw it TO Ginn just because he can throw hard

those things take a lot of practice which obviously hasn’t been going on.

by metalhead86 on Sep 16, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he can or can't

point is, his has the arm to at least threaten to do it.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes it opens up the field...for....

Ted Ginn to run down it and still not get open..

SPEED DOES NOT TRANSLATE INTO CATCHES in this league.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see pat white overthrow last game

wide open

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you are saying Ginn can get open on Gimmick plays

Just not regular offense…

I can agree to that. :)

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

see buffalo game last year

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when were we comparing defenses

huh? im confused now.

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were saying Ginn got open against Buffalo.

So I figured their Defensive ability should be brought up.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

c'mon please stop the shrim patty hating

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u were hating on pat before

i dont like it :-(

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beck really looks good as our #3 QB. Maybe a trade back to Miami?

by raven on Sep 16, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please lets keep beck out of this

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not as our #2 QB..?

I really think the kid is still a viable player… able to be a very good starter…

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beck

Ok, so I am the biggest Beck hater of all…..and here is why:
I used to be friends with this guy back in Jr High and played on the same team (guy wasnt even that good in Jr High). Guy lied to me about what HS he was going to play for. Guy lied to me again about which HS he was going to switch to after that 1st year was over.
Needless to say when I played against his team in HS I planted his a$$ in the dirt a couple times, and damn did it feel good. Guy wasnt that good of a HS player either, in fact, I was ranked higher in the state prospects poll than what he was. So, he goes on a religious mission, comes back to BYU…wasnt a good in College either at 25 years old might I add. Then Cam Camoron decides that this kid is better than Brady Quinn…..wow, I really dont even know where to start with this one. A wasted 2nd round pick and we got nothing in return except for more ticks in the Loss column, plus a loss of all that money his 2nd round pick cost. So lemme say this one final time for all you Beck lovers out there…..the guy sucks, always has, always will. Let’s focus on players actually on our team!!!

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation

by Dragon27az on Sep 16, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!!! I'm neither for nor against the dude... I was being kinda jerkish in laying the bait...

I felt like a Jets fan when the Dolphins picked T Ginn instead of Quin… put my two hands on my head, dropped my jaw wide and tried to say “what!”… it comes out whaaa.

Thanks for sharing the story. It personalizes Beck more. I also was not really that big a fan of Quinn… he reminds me of a Snachez type… very Hollywood… modeling happy-bait. I thought his sister was good looki… till upon further review… she looks like a female version of him. But A.J. is happy with the shemale… lol Will shall see if Quinn is a QB or not…

Your post is good, I had to say somethin… ;-]

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

felt the same way, alpa

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

Sorry, just had to get that out there. The part that makes me even more mad is that he was a fellow fins fan, at least when we were friends anyway….so to see him get drafted by them made my blood boil that much more. And on top of that, my friends would constantly bring the fact that he was a fin up just to make me mad!! I feel like sticking the pads back on and flying to baltimore to put him in the dirt one more time!!!

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation
On Matty's "Draft Sean Smith Squad" since he declared
Smacking Beck lovers for opening their mouths, since 09'

by Dragon27az on Sep 16, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no shit..!

doesn’t sound like the goody mormon boy we sometimes think of those who live in Utah. I live here now. It’s been a trial….

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol funny story

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did that jay fiedler era turn out

my memory is a little hazy from all those superbowls…. so maybe the fans calling for his head understood things a little better then you give them credit….

plus, i don’t recall anyone saying the farve move was bad when the went and killed the titans and took the #1 seed spot before farve hurt his arm… does anyone think pennington could have led the fins to any points against the titans d last year when he couldn’t do anything against a lesser d in bmore?

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i remember.

How good Scott Mitchell was.. Lol.. We had a good line, Marino went down & magic happened. Marino came back & people were wanting Mitchell.. Howd that do for the Lions?
If we can’t spread the field, the box stays stacked. Yes Henne should have got to play late 4th.
I’m no coach but I’ve watched enough to know that you have to have some offense or the dc gonna come at you all game.
How sweet was the bomb? Yea it missed by far but how sweet was it to see one?
I’m a team player & a realist.
We are rebuilding..
Blast me all you want but we had lot in our favor last season.
As much as I want the rings now, I know what’s going on & so does most everyone else. Just excited from last year.

Head Of Security..
What The Deuce?

by E_Dove on Sep 16, 2009 1:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Keep The Faith

There is something different about this regime. I think their going to go old school on Indy Monday Night. Just a thought and no I don’t drink kool aid.

by FinFanFromCA on Sep 16, 2009 2:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jake Long vs Matt Ryan hindsight is 20/20

I’d bet after this week alot of Dolphins fans would say we should have taken Matt Ryan over Jake Long last year. I guess I’m one of them, but I’ll admit I wasnt in love w/ him coming out of college

by YatilGinnJr on Sep 16, 2009 4:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of course Ryan wouldn't look like the same player on a different team,

and exactly who would be blocking for him, Penne got us through last year with his saavy, what would our record have been with Ryan, we didn’t have their run game last year, or Roddy White, just sayin, half the people here may be calling for the back up still and sayin that Ryan was a bust, ya never know.

by uncle finster on Sep 16, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said finster

Jake Long was/is the right player for this team. We had very little talent during that time.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Sep 16, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly people dont understand that

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed well put

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Matt Ryan can't play LT.

So Long is better.

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 16, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, plus,

the jury is still out on both these guys, Ryan isn’t a franchise QB YET, we’ll just have to wait and see.

by uncle finster on Sep 16, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake Long vs Matt Ryan

The debate over the what ifs. My point is simple protect the QB. O-line was sloppy against ATL. How do you defeat a big O-line(speed). That’s the Past. I would not want to be a miami O-linemen in practice this week. Tony S. probably has a bat in the trunk of his car. Some people wonder why they keep bring in TEs. Pascoe is a blocking TE not a project. Matt Ryan will be a good QB in the NFL maybe even great but who knows. This O-line will gel have faith.

by FinFanFromCA on Sep 16, 2009 6:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Full agree but one thing to note:

Regarding your Bledsoe example: EVERYBODY who replaced him was an exception to the rule, not just Romo (Cough* Brady)

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

by mikem1224 on Sep 16, 2009 6:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Except

J.P. Losman… worked out really well for him didn’t it

cough cough… UFL and replaced by Trent “I can’t utilize my ridiculous receiving corps” Edwards.

by jbird996 on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Matty. Brilliant post!

Maybe these so called Dolfans who want Pennington gone will listen to you.

by JP 23 on Sep 16, 2009 6:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I agree, Matty---excellent post!

I don’t disagree with a single point, right down to how things would go with Henne in. That is JUST what it is, an opinion, by fans, some of whom have much more football knowledge than others, however, I put my trust in the people running the show. I feel fairly confident they know much more about how to run a football team and what needs addressed/changed than any of us here. Some may disagree with that statement, and to those, I sincerely hope an NFL team comes knocking on your door to be their coach. As for the rest—join me in watching and cheering!

by blackadder_650 on Sep 16, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This offense is geared around CP’s lack of arm stength period. I promise you mid year you will see henne at some point.

by ecks on Sep 16, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't make promises that you can't keep.

Unless he gets hurt bad enough to miss a game, CP10 IS the Dolphins Quarterback. There were alot of mistakes made on sunday by the enire team. it looked offesively like they watched too much espn and underestimated Atlanta’s defense. I like the wildcat when it works, but there is plenty of film footage now to stop it. I want to see more Ricky Williams and Patrick Cobbs and some Lex Hilliard before throwing the noose around CP10’s neck. There is alot of hope in the next couple weeks. I was really impressed with the way Oakland ran on San Diego. That bodes well for our run offense! one other thought, it is better to get the losses and the sloppy play out of the way early than when the playoffs are really on the line

by IEphinfan23 on Sep 16, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With a disclaimer
CP10 IS the Dolphins Quarterback.

until the end of the season. The what are we gonna do next year, and the year after that, and the year after that….

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When next year comes around

It’ll be a controversy between Pat White and Chad Henne. and who knows maybe Brett Favre comes out of retirement again to play for Miami so he can work on his tan after being back in the frigid north

by IEphinfan23 on Sep 16, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat White and a QB controversy?

Only if it involves us drafting Tim Tebow and them fighting it out for the number 2 spot.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mark me up as one that thinks Tebow has a good shot in the NFL.

I could be way way WAAAY wrong….and i’ll eat humble pie, but I bye into Tebow.
ANd its not just because I went to FL

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As what??

A quarterback? Tebow would do good in the NFL with alot of coaching and time, and maybe a different position. He could be a great Linebacker

by IEphinfan23 on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have to give him a shot at QB.....

But I think he’d end up playing TE or FB.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im just saying

Playing college quarterback would give him the mentality along with his physical gifts to be a great MLB. TE or FB would work as well

by IEphinfan23 on Sep 16, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SIR! BITE YER TONGUE!

and NEVER mention that ex-Jet prima donna on this blog again.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great great great post matty

i agree completely about the Henne-Penne debate. it’s reached the point of annoyence, while it’s obvious that CP10 is our QB. He’s a great mental leader, who is on pace to have the highest completion rate in NFL history. Look it up, it’s true.

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 7:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said Matty.....

I don’t think there should be any debate over who the starting quarterback should be…I really think what the dolphins should be focusing on is how to get Ronnie more carries and pound the rock…When the running game opens up we will look like a completely different team from last week

by scbrandon on Sep 16, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's the bottom line

if Sparano thought we had the best chance to win with Henne in the game, don’t you think he would be? I think Henne will be a great QB some day, but until the coach says he’s ready, I’ll ride the skirt tails of noodle arm as some of you call him. He might not have the strongest arm in the league, but he’s very smart and he’s not going to lose games for us. Yes I want Henne in the game too, but not until he’s ready. And like Matty said, why are so many of you fair weather fans giving up on the season after 60 minutes of football? The Colts are gonna have their hands full Monday night! GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!

by FinsFanDave on Sep 16, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One bad game

Not that I believe in resting on your laurels from the year before in this league, but is everyone forgetting that its only been one game? Jake Long was an All Pro a year ago and Chad Pennington resurrected the franchise on the way to being runner-up in MVP voting. Pro Bowls and awards aren’t always a great barometer of a player’s ability, but I don’t understand the quick dismissal of guys who last season were so good.

The best players in the league have poor games. Long is obviously entrenched at LT regardless (and I believe he’ll be fine), but I think Pennington deserves not one or two, but at least a hand full of games before we go pulling the plug on him. It was one awful game. Let’s not get carried away.

by abailey on Sep 16, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreeded.

I’m not even close to jumping on the Chad Henne bandwagon because I’m not even confidant that he is going to be the right guy for the job when it is his. We will just not know until then.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

until WHEN?

WHEN will we know?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion?

I don’t even think Henne is the right guy until I see something great out of him, and when I say great I mean a solid pre-season performance. Hell even if he plays in a regular game I want to see something solid. The Quarterback debate gets so old quick because I think very few people actually agree with one side of the issue. I think we are set as of right now with Pennington. So I’m focusing on this season not next season.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the entire first string looked good in preseason

and what did that translate into for our first game? Also, Henne looked reasonably good in preseason, and did not get much chance to play with the first teamers. He certainly wasn’t bad. But preseason is preseason. You want to know what he can do? You have to play him in real games.

So I’m focusing on this season not next season.

That has been the mantra of this team for too long.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that is the mantra for most NFL teams.

it makes no sense to have Henne play in games until Pennington has proved he can’t do it for us and one game isn’t enough evidence.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong bud.

it is NOT about Pennington proving he can’t get it done. It is about finding out if Henne can get it done. Maybe he can, maybe he can’t but we better have a pretty good idea before the end of the season or we are going to be going through the SOS for another few seasons while we figure it out.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no no lefty

IIRC – don shula never changed QB’s ….. woodley stayed in until that marino kid proved himself and had a good preseason game…. don’t you understant that average is good enough…. how quickly you forget the fiedler era… think of all the success the team had with him… all those championships… once you’ve found an average QB why mess with success.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

coaches would rather cover their ass with an 8-8 season. rather than take a little risk for glory

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

W NY Fins Fan

http://www.nfl.com/players/danmarino/profile?id=MAR149079

Dan played in 11 games his rookie season. Not so much truth in your preseason story.

Dan Marino took snaps before he started. After proving himself he started to play. Walsh did the same with Montana.

I run a lazy, booze addled & thoroughly unprofessional Dolphins blog: www.thephinisher.com.

by The Phinisher on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry i figured people

would understand but for the slower ones

/sarcasm off

yes – shula understood he wasn’t going any pllace with woodly and that he would take a chance on marino… infact he had marino take 50% of the 1st team snaps …. starting week 2?? until he took over…. walsh – had montana prep for a series of plays every game his rookie year before he became the starter in year 2…. sprano missed a chance to get henne some actual experience down 19-0 with 7 minutes to play and not one fish wrapper has questioned him on this.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And none have mentioned how cp just blatently gave up on a play. Are you kidding me? what type of all amazing

leader is he when he just flat out gives up. Cmon matty…cmon other noodle lovers…

Is that the leader you really want?

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

i said "i know hes not ben rothlesburger" but still doesnt mean if its like 3rd and 5 you just give up on the play if they decide to blitz

by Davone_Is_BessT

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its just depressing how people look down upon us who want to replace cp...when he does not perform and he pulls stunts like this.

It’s not like he pisses excellence. He has major flaws and he will not be able to perform against good defenses. Sure he can tear up the lions….but so can I!

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... is there any word out of practice this week from the team..?

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dunno

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it makes any sense to have him play just to see if we have something in him.

It makes almost no sense. It is right now a team quarterbacked by Chad Pennington. There is almost no sense in just throwing in some guy to see if we have it in him or not. I think that if we are done with Chad Pennington next year then we can start Henne. Phillip Rivers wasn’t a starter for the first two years of him being in the NFL, neither was Pennington. hell even Aaron Rodgers didn’t play until after his 3rd season – look what they achieved.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers has achieved nothing

except starting on a team with nobody else and winning one game

Why not us!?!?!?!?!?!
-Our Whole Team before every game

by CarltheChamp on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you would rather us. have a solid team and have the quarterback bring us down (w/e little it may be) because of his inexperience. Or do you want the qb to grow with the team and be firing on all cylinders when the time comes?.

Remember. Packers were an nfc championship team before rodgers took over. He went 6-10. If they built the team and gave aaron playing time. Maybe they would not have made it to the nfc championship that year, but they sure as hell would have been contenders last year. and even better this year.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rogers is probably going to do great things for the Packers. And maybe Henne will too. But he is waiting

right now. Rogers waited 3 years and will probably be better as the years go on. Rivers waited and is great. Henne can wait. Chad Pennington has this team under control as of now. One game isn’t the difference maker. He led the team last year, he was a leader. We won the AFC East, I don’t care if it wasn’t a Super Bowl. It was the best damn thing since 2001. I’m happy we have him and I’ll be happy when he continues to play throughout the year.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then I assume you were happy when we have a run of 8-8, 9-7, 10-6 seasons all resulting from caretaking qb's

and ultimate unsuccesfulness against playoff calibar defenses.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we went any of those records and didn't do anything in the playoffs then were a Super Bowl caliber team

and one the big one…hell yeah I’d be happy with that.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you might make the playoffs with a guy like pennington but you sure as hell wont win them.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I'm fine with that because

he isn’t going to be our quarterback forever. I’m young, and I’m going to be a Dolphins fan for as long as I live so I can live with that.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the logic that lead us to countless years of just being average. Nothing against you dude…its just when we are complacent with being the middle of the back..then idk…its just ridiculous.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well my logic neither helps nor harms team and same goes with yours.

you don’t make decisions for the team and neither do I. We have to live with the decisions that are made. We are fans not owners or GMs.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then why debate at all?

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why support John Beck?

there are no reasons. it is just something to do, I guess. Although debating about something we can’t change is about the same as supporting Beck.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are tons of reasons to support john beck.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that. But what I don't understand is because you can't do

anything about it, why care about it? He is gone and probably don’t coming back. So I just don’t get whey you still care.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't do anything about anything we talk about. so why care about it?

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry but i dont approve/understand your logic here.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing that no one can understand is why you

a) like(d) Beck
b) are still obsessed with him
c) are living in some other world where he might actually be relevant to this team.
and
d) believe in him. you gonna cheer the Ravens on if he ever plays for him

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like beck because he’s a good person.
Not obssessed, but I favor him greatly.
I feel like he’s relevant because he was a dolphin and would be more helpful to us than cp is
Believe in him. because I believe in him.

I honestly don’t have to prove anything to you buddy.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can prove something to everyone that ever

reads anything you write by using your common sense and
just forgetting him

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

everyone that ever reads

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright diblett.

I’ve had enough. It’s not gonna happen. So don’t even both.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then keep dreaming

about the never was
and never will be.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you personally know Beck?

I like reading your posts finsxfactor, but I gotta smack you on this one. you must have missed my post towards the top of this thread. Do you personally know John Beck, because I do, we used to be friends/teammates back in Jr High. Yes, he is mormon, and they are typically good people….but he lied to me on more than one occasion. Does that make him a terrible person? No. But do you know him personally like I do?

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation
On Matty's "Draft Sean Smith Squad" since he declared
Smacking Beck lovers for opening their mouths, since 09'

by Dragon27az on Sep 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good beer

2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.

"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.

13 1/2 phinsider fued points!!!

by MrMedic on Sep 18, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very good

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Any real man personally knows Becks! It is real beer for real men!!

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation
On Matty's "Draft Sean Smith Squad" since he declared
Smacking Beck lovers for opening their mouths, since 09'

by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows...maybe we have a correspondence

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Friend of a friend of a friend..

Come on finsxfactor, dont go the friend of a friend of a friend route…I hold you in higher regards than that. I was personally friends with John. Hell, if I went digging through old boxes I am sure I could find a couple of pictures/random notes/drawings or something from us back in the day. BUT, my wife wouldnt claim that Beck is a great person because I know him and she doesnt…..ya dig??

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation
On Matty's "Draft Sean Smith Squad" since he declared
Smacking Beck lovers for opening their mouths, since 09'

by Dragon27az on Sep 18, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dig.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 18, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Caring is lacking

Questioning isn’t lacking. Beck is gone…forever.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im confused.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop fighting!

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fins is a Raven

He was hired by Matty to stir the pot…

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now u went 2 far

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i died a little inside

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

SD did have a Drew Breese and I’ve known Dreww, i’ve worked with Drew, and CP is no DB…

btw: Rodgers wasn’t very good last year… he may turn out to be a good QB but it won’t be until he’s played a number of games.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoa did u just say aaron rodgers wasnt very good??/

4038 yards and 28 TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've made this point before

talk to your nearest packer fan… ask them how AR played last year… he got most of his stats in a couple games (detroit 2x for example) and he played very pporly in the 4th quarter and disappeared in big games… he was a big reason why they only won 5 last year…

but that doens’t mean he can’t be a good QB it’s just that he needed actual PT to learn how to win… check out his stats vs Chi in game 2 last year vs sunday night…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i forgot to add

sometimes stats don’t prove the whole story … just look at CP’s in ATlanta 84 QB rating and 21-27…

not too many people are saying he played well.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused

So Aaron Rodgers sucks after posting 4038 yds passing, 63% comp, 28/13 TD/INT, and a 93.8 rating. He led the Packers to being the 8th ranked offense in yards, and 5th in points scored. But it’s kind of hard to win games when you’ve got the 20th ranked defense (22nd in points allowed). You’ll also notice they lost 7 games by 4 points or less, and in all but one of those games, he was the one who kept them in that game. They also won 6 games last year, not 5. Are you sure you’re looking at the correct stats? They played the Lions in Game 2, and the Bears in games 10 and 15. And he actually had decent games both times, above 60% comp, over 200 yds passing, 2:1 TD/INT.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 17, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly
You’ll also notice they lost 7 games by 4 points or less, and in all but one of those game

go look and see what his stat were in the 4th quarter of those games… i believe his only 2 4th quarter wins were against detroit which likely wouldn’t have won the gray cup last year….

i’m not saying that rogers won’t be a good Qb … all i’m saying is it take s actual game experience to be a great NFL QB.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 18, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well of course it does Captain Obvious.

How many great QBs can you name with zero game experience? Rodgers is already a good QB IMO, and now that he has a defense to support him, I think he’ll be even better. As for these 4th qtr stats you mention, I don’t have the exact stats, but I do have the scoring stats. Against Atlanta, he tied the game in the 4th, only to see his defense give up 10 more points. Against Tennessee, he got them into FG range to take the game into OT, then his defense let Tennessee win it in OT. Against Minnesota, he gave them a 4th qtr lead, only to see his defense give up the game winning TD to AP. Vs tha Panthers once again he gave his team a lead (not once but twice!!) in the 4th only to see his defense give it away. Against the Texans, he gave them the lead in the 4th, and tied it again later, only to have the defense give up a GW FG. Same thing happened in the last two against the Bears and Jaguars. Now, did he have an opportunity to win the game himself, maybe. but at least he gave his team a chance to win in each of those games, even giving them leads with which to defend in the 4th qtr.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 18, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lefty what are getting like Cam now...

you can’t play henne because he isn’t ready my friend and he needs some playing experience before he’s ready…

i don’t see why you are having a problem iwht this.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

pat white’s the right guy

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat White is a gimmick player in a gimmick Offense.

  I don’t think this was a quality second round pick IMO. And I definately don’t think he is the answer at QB. I’m sure you watched Sundays game…

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excuse me, while i cry in a corner

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

im kinda tiered now

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFAO

dam – you’re damn good sometimes….

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's more of an answer than cp is

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually suprised that you didn't include John Beck in that one.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its implied

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol I should have just assumed.

Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman

by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 16, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGREE

I agree Matty, my mind is on this upcoming Monday. I’ve moved on from game 1 and am ready for the Dolphins to show what they can really do. I also am not in a rush to have Henne take the show yet. I think Pennington is greatly unappreciated.

by DFJ 305 on Sep 16, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many calling for Henne were doing so last season?

If we looked back at your blog posts last year, how many of you were calling for the Great Michigan Hope back then, or were you lauding Pennington time and time again, victory after victory?

How many of you were overjoyed to see your team march down the field, and score TD after TD, putting up victory after victory…. If you were calling for Henne then, then sure, maybe I’ll listen to you.. but if you weren’t… and I doubt many of you were….. Then really….take a good look at yourself.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong.

i loved winning last season, and I was okay with sitting Henne for a season. But I really expected that he would start this year, since it was never a secret that this was the plan.
So, I agreed with Matty about not handing him the job in preseason, but I also think playing Pennington much further into this year accomplishes nothing for the future of the team.

It made sense last season, with so much of the team unsettled. But most of the guys have been in the system for a year, they know the playbook, and there is some stability to the team. I’d give the line another game or two to gel, and then think about putting Henne in for a substantial part of every game.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have to agree

what jobs me about the whole coachign staff …. was they did the whole PR thing about this preseason would all be about getting Henne ready… (and i’ll dig up the sparano quotes if you need them) and that the lame ducker would have to take the bare min needed to get ready…..

then we find out henne is getting %5 of the first team snaps in practice, and he gets less then average preseason snaps for a 2nd stringer…. in addition to playing infront of the 2nd string line which might have one guy who is Starter ready and 4 guys who are most like PSers at best….

so please tell me how that is getting him ready?

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not. and thats the ways its going to be. Thats the horrible, sad, depressing part of it.

People say “he would have earned it in practice, cp’s just better”.

That’s not true. How can he prove that? With little time and not the same opportunity.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like what pennington did until I went to the game against the ravens in the playoffs

If you were at that game and saw how the ravens did not cover parts of the field because pennington couldn’t get the ball to those areas, I think you would want him replaced. If you have seen how the safties were 7 yards from the LOS because pennington couldn’t beat them deep, I think you would want him replaced. Everyone knows what pennington can do, that’s not the problem. It’s what he can’t do, that’s the problem and Atlanta took advantage of those weaknesses on Sunday.

by ct1361 on Sep 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

exactly and if it needs to be

illustrated any more… about what good defenses do … you just had to turn on the Tenn/Pitt game where they pointed out that pitt abandon’s the sidelines and in effect dares QB’s to beat them with the hardest throws in football…. well what happens when the lame ducker plays teams that do this…. well baltimore did it 2x and pitt and tenn will do it this year.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you obviously spent very little time reading these boards last year

cause there was a lively chat or two on this very topic.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeo

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep*

lol i failed “yeo” lol wdf is that

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... a little child trying to say Oreo..?

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lololololol

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find it curious as to how some think Henne would have done better...

seeing how CP was getting pummeled while throwing short and midrange passes on quicker drop backs. Deep routes only take longer to develop. With our line being unable to give CP much time to do the short/intermediate stuff, the deep passing games seems like a moot point.

I’m all for moving forward, after all we are all of 1/16th through the season.

A win against the colts and the bandwagoner’s will be back on.

Indy had a close escape against jacksonville and if we can establish the run, pressure Manning, and play smart (no turnovers) then we have a very good chance of winning and being relevant again.

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh hell..!!! I remember that game now!

That was a most awesome stop there….Peyton was soooo pissed on.

I LOVE seeing Peyton angry…. thanks for the recall..!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yessir!

Dolphins D at their best!

Too bad we didn’t have an O.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey...

let’s hope for a repeat.

Give me Sorgi and I’ll give you a dolphins win :)

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was on the 40 yard line on Indy's side

He was spit out blood…it was great.
Had 4 dolphin fans decked out in Jerseys, amid rabid Colts fans in their home section….. Truth be told they were some of the best “opposing team” fans. We were all buying each other beer, smack talk, and joking about the game as it went on.

To be a fan in a “hostile” stadium… this was a great experience.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now i remember that!

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, wasn't Taylor

Afraid that infamous hit was from the one hit wonder, Lorenzo Brommel. Manning had to change his face-mask style after that hit though. I get tingles just thinking about it!!

Official Leader of the "Bring Back Zach Thomas!!" Foundation
On Matty's "Draft Sean Smith Squad" since he declared
Smacking Beck lovers for opening their mouths, since 09'

by Dragon27az on Sep 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yessir, you are right

i had forgotten about LoBro.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't really think the argument is that Henne would have done better in that game.

I don’t personally believe that Henne would have had much more success with that O-line…. he probably would have done worse… but not by much.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first off

henne’s stronger arm lets him throw off his back foot…. even i will admit that the lame ducker can make some nice throws if he has time/room to step into his throws… but the issue becomes making throws with velocity when you can’t step into it… and that is when the lame ducker just dumps it off for 21-27 and 167 yards… nice Qb rating but a lot of 3 and outs.

but my biggest compaint isn’t that henne should start vs indy – it’s that Henne should have played at 19-0 with 7 minutes left… he NEEDs the experience and if the admin is honest about him taking over it’s essential that they get him into game situations and allow him to learn when the opportunity arises.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't argue that point.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes ur right

he should have….but whats done is done at this point

by Matty I on Sep 17, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw more sand on the decks, mates

More Dolfan blood’s gonna get spilt…

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 16, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In talking about lastweeks game, somebody said to me, "... that's too bad..."

In my reply I quoted from the movie “Next of Kin”, starring the late Patrick Swayze…..

“Oh it aint bad yet, but it’s coming”

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how do you know?

maybe he practices that.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!! Henne throwing from his ass...... Camarillo catching with his ass...!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmfao

"Life's a bi*ch but god forbid the bi*ch divorce me"- Nas
"They ask me what I'm writin' for; I'm writin' to show you what we fightin' for"- Talib Kweli

by Davone_Is_BessT on Sep 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be our new suprise formation

“The wild ass”

Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23

by Patssuck456 on Sep 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFLMAO!

leave it to you, dude! to pop in with something like that.

i bet you typed it with a straight face too, dintcha?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23

by Patssuck456 on Sep 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pat white can throw from his ass

and anywere else on his body, he’s that goood

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CP10

Did Merling earn a start with his strong performance or will he have a bad week of practice and come off the bench again, either way I’m glad we have this guy, our D-line was very stout, I kept waiting for them to start to break later in the game when the Falc’s were up and just trying to run time off the clock, I mean that was a great run team last year, but we really were stout, controlled the run game completely.

Did the Flying V earn a start, when I first watched the game I thought that Smith was benched in favor of Davis, turns out it was planned that way, they both knew going in that they would rotate, it just turned out that Vontae got more time at the #2 CB spot, but with Smith getting beat badly twice(they both were easy TD passes, Ryan just blew it), and Vontae showing explosive speed and quckness out there, did he earn a start?

Vontae had a couple gafs early as well, but Ryan was more accurate on those throws, however Vontae was in position to make the tackle and prevent a big play, unlike Smith who was not near his man when he was beat, he just got lucky that Ryan didn’t complete one of those throws.
Both guys settled down and played well throughout but Vontae got most of the reps because of the way the rotation worked out, Vontae is a force in support, whether it’s the run or the short pass screen plays, he is a force that Smith will never be, did it earn him a start?

by uncle finster on Sep 16, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent observations..!

Tho your questions seem rhetorical at the moment, they may be answered soon on Monday night…

The great thing is that the team can’t go wrong either way… for one more game at least.

But you bringing the focus has me really excited for the defense overall…!!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the safeties played well,

they did have a couple of bad plays but overall they played well, they both made some very nice coverage plays and both made some nice tackles, they have to improve their play but they showed a glimpse of what could be a very dangerous tandem, a lot of the Gonzales plays were LB and zone coverage’s so don’t judge his day completely against the safeties, they played pretty good.

I’m looking forward to the test our secondary will get against our old rival on monday night, but a consistent pass rush would go a long way in that arena(uncle punster), which leads me to another thought, why was Hilliard active and Wake not, lets be honest, we don’t have enough carries for the 3 RBs we have, and can you have too many passrushers in the rotation, neither guy stood out on ST but Wake made a lot more plays on ST and was clearly the best passrusher during the preseason.

One thought comes to mind, I thought I saw Wake giving less than 100% on ST as the preseason wore on, so maybe Sparano is trying to light a fire, perhaps Wake thinks of himself as better than a STer, IDK, I just hope they get it sorted out because I’d like to see what he can do, and after last week it wouldn’t hurt to have another guy to try and get pressure.

by uncle finster on Sep 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point finster

if only it was a little shorter, i could read it all

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

u 2, lefty

just leave me a sentece long summary of ur comment

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank u

only if it’s a blowout

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how bout letting him start?

play until we get down 1 score? what’s wrong with that?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's not pat white

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least if Pat White starts...

he’ll only in the game 1 snap…he’ll throw a Pick 6, and we can get someone else in there.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with a lot of the points made.

I don’t think that Henne is quite ready to take over the reins quite yet. He hasn’t shown the consistency and good decision making that you want from your starting QB so far. Now granted, he hasn’t gotten a lot of time to play with the first stringers, but he still should have done well against the second and third stringers, and he didn’t do that great. I’m sure that he will get better with some more practice, and I’m sure he’ll be a pretty good QB.

Will he be a great QB that will lead the franchise for years to championships, or a good QB that gets the team wins, but rarely takes them to the postseason? Only time will tell. The FO has said many times that they plan to have Henne start the 2010 season, and they were up front to CP10 about that when they signed him. Let Pennington finish this season, let Henne learn as much as he can from him, and give Henne his shot next year as was the original plan.

The other thing that we can’t forget is that this team still has rebuilding to do. A lot of people seemed to have forgotten that we are rebuilding our team from a dismal 1-15 season. And rebuilding a team takes time, usually around 3 seasons or so, and this is year 2 for us. It seems like a lot of people are of the mindset that because we had such a great year last year, that our rebuilding is done and we are ready to be Super Bowl contenders. Unfortunately, that’s not quite the case.

There is still a lot of work to be done on the team, and it might take another year or two before we are seriously ready to contend for the Lombardi trophy on a consistent basis. Does it suck to say that we’re not ready now? Of course. Is it not fair to the older vets who deserve a shot at the championship and may not be around when we’re ready? Definitely. But we have to take the time to rebuild the team correctly and not rush things. If we try to rush it, we’re going to not let guys develop properly, and good talent might be wasted under too much pressure.

There are still plenty of areas that need work on the team. We need to get a young NT to provide some depth and start getting him ready, Ferguson’s not getting any younger. The defense looks pretty good, but it wouldn’t hurt to start developing some eventual replacements for JT and Porter. I would like to see a little more depth on the offensive line as well. And I also think that we need to get some help at our receivers. I know we picked up a couple of good prospects in Hartline and Turner, but overall, I see our WR corp as a great collection of #2, #3, and #4 receivers, with no true #1. I just don’t see it from Ginn that he has what it takes to be our #1 receiver.

I know that some people will say it’s because of CP10’s lack of arm strength that he can’t throw the deep ball and utilize Ginn’s speed. But Ginn hasn’t really impressed me with the other aspects of the position that it takes to be a #1 receiver. His route running hasn’t looked that great, and he has still struggled to get open at times. He’s shown flashes of being the playmaker that a #1 needs to be, but he hasn’t been able to do it consistently. I think that we need to admit that Ginn isn’t going to be our #1 and try and find ourselves someone who can fill that role.

Sorry for the long post, just had a lot of things to say. LOL

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

28 "Phinsider Feud" Points

by Chupathingy on Sep 16, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree that unless Ginn can get open deep, the lack of armstrength on a deep ball is a moot point.

but did you see Brady sticking the ball in there on the short routes Monday night?
The lack of the ability to do this is also a problem with CP.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually this is the biggest issue.

Henne can really zip it in there in the short to intermediate passing game and it’ll really get the offense going when he does get the chance to start.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Sep 16, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I understand what you're saying.

I’m also not saying that we shouldn’t use Henne this year and start feeling out his abilities. If we’re in garbage time in a game or if it gets to the point that there is no chance of us making the playoffs, I am all for putting Henne in and letting him get some reps. It would be better to know sooner than later whether or not he will be able to be our franchise QB so we can plan future draft strategies, etc.

That being said, I will fully support whoever we have under center in the games. If the coaches feel that CP is better for us, then I am rooting for CP all the way. I guess my main point was that I think there are other aspects of the team that we have to look at and work on other than just QB.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

28 "Phinsider Feud" Points

by Chupathingy on Sep 16, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, here's a crazy idea

Put Henne in FIRST. We have a good D. They should keep us in the game. Let Henne try to get some points on the board. If he can’t get it done, and the other team scores, put CP in. He is used to playing from behind anyway.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey now

dan reeves thinks you’re crazy…. that is no way to get a young QB good … you could mess up an elway for life if you started him and then put morton in late in games…. that is no way to develop a QB.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not if he knew it was the game plan from the start.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, that day will come when he plays so well

that the staff keeps him in all game. When that day comes, Penne sits.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 16, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you aren't being sarcastic again, are you?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ginn has shown he can get open deep

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still excited

Last Sunday’s game was a very winnable game. We beat them in the run game, and our defense played great. Our problem was turnovers. Protect the ball and we can win. Hell, even with six or seven minutes left in the Falcon’s game, if the offense could have pulled it all together, we could have come from behind.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're absolutely right

As terrible as the team played, they were still in that game. Could have been won…

by FinsFanDave on Sep 16, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELL SAID AND REC'D!!!

even if you did just kick my ass in the FF game this week. =(

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame me

it was AP.-)

He made me do it.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would've been alot closer

but Warner and Forte had off games at the same time. Thats not gonna happen too often.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't want your pity.

it just makes it worse.

go ahead and talk trash, and I’ll get you next time around. ;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I'm not gonna talk trash

That always come back around.

But I will say 123.85 – 87.4. )

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's trash!

you are toast now buddy!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that was a shout out Neo :)

Henne might be a pro-bowler just waiting in the wings.

If he is though then he’s certainly decided to not show it in the preseason at least. Granted, it isn’t as if being a great QB is dependent on some excellent preseason showing though it might give some fans more confidence.

I think with the OL problems we had in game 1, that any QB we lined up would have been roughed up.

If the o-line improves its play and pass protection though and we are still sputtering on offense then I think you have to consider your options.

The schedule does not let up and give us easy games like last year so it could get ugly if we don’t right the ship quickly,.

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

completely agree Nat

i posted something like that above.
The O-line is the problem and any QB would have struggled in that game.
I am not calling for CP to be benched, but it irks me when people talk about him like he is the QB who is going to be leading the Fins down the road, when we ALL know he isn’t that guy.
Same old same old…. if CP is NOT that guy, then we need to find out about Henne. If Henne is NOT that guy, we need to know before this next draft, when there will be a very good opportunity to grab a starting QB.
capice?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've missed u -)

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crushing..?

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes Left is crushing

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol lefty and neo

funny conversation

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes i am jealous!!!

Neo used to like me best!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

problem is

your a fence sitter my friend… i can still love you … but neo – you know him he’s a pit bull when it comes to QB’s and when you shunned his matty ryan pick, well lets just say you walked at a different pace….

:)

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey! i never shunned matt ryan

and it has nothing to do with that anyway… it is natalya’s fault!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can get behind

that idea.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 18, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 18, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, here this the thing that is all wrong about your reasoning, Matty
The time will come for Chad Henne. And I do believe he’ll be at least an above-average NFL quarterback once it does come. But that time simply isn’t now. He isn’t ready.

You talk about Henne not being “ready”, like we are baking cupcakes and can stick a toothpick in him to determine when he IS ready. But it ain’t like that, is it? He needs to play, to become an NFL QB. Maybe sitting behind Pennington for a year has been educational, but just how much better does he get, sitting for a second season?
You talk about guys like Rodgers and Romo, but how do you know they would not have been JUST AS GOOD at this point in there careers if they had started playing right away?
Just like you say that no one can give you evidence that Henne will be successful, no one can say that he won’t, either. Yes, he will have some tough learning experiences, but I expect that he will have to deal with the same tough experiences whenever he starts playing, and that sitting behind Pennington will alleviate the need for him to go through them.

I suppose some fans have made silly remarks about how Henne would have done better than Pennington in this particular game last Sunday, but I haven’t seen that argument. What I have seen from folks talking about playing Henne, is primarily focused on a few facts:
First, watching the games this past weekend, it is easy to see the difference in velocity between CP and most other QBs… even Brady, who I have never really thought of as a “big arm” guy. I am not even talking about throwing it 40yds down the field. I am talking about the “zip” on the short to intermediate stuff. Pennington does not have that, and it is a limitation in the offense. I am not saying he can’t work around it, but at some point we need a QB who can stick it in there. That guy is not going to be Pennington, and I don’t think the expectation ever was that Pennington was more than a stop gap solution at QB.
Second, Henne may not be the guy, but we need to find out before we go into next year’s draft. And playing a bit here and there in garbage time is not going to help us figure it out. You may be right, that Henne will be an average QB, but that is not what the Dolphins have been looking for since Marino. They are looking for a franchise guy. Maybe Henne is NOT the guy, but we already know Pennington is NOT the guy.
Third, the consensus in the NFL today seems to be that QB either have it or they don’t. Just look around and you can see the trend of starting guys in their rookie years. They either bite as pups, or they don’t bite. And considering that we really don’t know how Henne would do if given the chance to get in there and play, and develop, we are really just delaying the inevitable. He can either be a starting QB or not, and if not, we need to be prepared to look for another guy in the next draft. BUT, if he IS that guy, we are better off giving him the opportunity to win games for us now, than to find out after the season it already lost.

From all I have read from player quotes, Henne commands respect in the huddle. He is confident and rarely gets rattled. So I hardly see this as “signaling defeat” to the veterans in the locker room. Seriously, just how much worse could it have been last Sunday with Henne in there? A loss is a loss, but Henne would have learned something by playing, and we would have learned something by watching him.

And just as an aside, who would you rather have out wide, blocking on a WC run? =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Left...

with the way, as one poster put it, Jake Long was getting slapped around last sunday – do you think Henne would have really done better?

Strong arm or not, you have to at least have time to throw and go through your reads.

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nat please.

where do you read that I said Henne would have done better in that game?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about this for an idea on the QB issue....

Once is a fluke
Twice is a trend
Three is a problem………..AND time for change

If we start 0-3 ( I mean we’ve got ATL, Indy, and SD – tough games), then Henne starts against the Bills?

Unless CP is lighting it up and our D is losing games, then I think it might be a reasonable plan

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless CP is lighting it up

CP only “lit it up” one time last year and that was against the Pats at home, which we lost.

Last year was a trend. Almost every game our defense would keep us in the games until our pathetic offense could muster a drive at the end to put us ahead and hope our defense didn’t let them come back. Then all we hear is CP this and CP that.

Matter of point, if CP was all that good at leading our offense to actual scores, half of my hair wouldn’t be white now. We are just so use to seening terrible QB play we that we get a medicore QB that is not AJ Feely, Cleo Lemon or John Beck bad, some want to think he is a god or something.

If our defense didn’t improve and ESPECIALLY if we didn’t intorduce the WC to the league we wouldn’t had won but 5-6 games last year. Even with the great CP at the helm.

You can quote me on that.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn I really need to start proof reading -)

Seems like I said that before………

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.... theme song of the "Twilight Zone" show plays....

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... ok... now THAT'S strange.....

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well considering the company I keep here...

it is pretty strange that I’m even posting on this blog!

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

i believe it!
;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Notice, Nat stopped posting after that

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, us company did

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If our defense didn’t improve and ESPECIALLY if we didn’t intorduce the WC to the league we wouldn’t had won but 5-6 games last year. Even with the great CP at the helm.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhhhh... (whisper) someone has a crush on you...? ;-)

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

didn't we talk about long comments?

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dang it

it’s lie reading my thoughts…..

a rec from me too…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

super rec'd

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exept all those QB's you just mentioned

had a much better supporting cast on their roster. You put ANY of those quarterbacks on this team in their rookie season and we are calling them Rex Grossman.
Look at where all those teams were at when those guys came in, Pit had a DOMINANT defense along with a solid O-line and Rushing attack. Same can be said for Baltimore last year. Eli also had a solid O-line/running game, great defense and not to mention Buress. Matt Ryan had a great run game along with Roddy White. I’m not even going to acknowledge Sanchez here he hasn’t proven a thing.
Pennington was obviously the perfect man for the job last season and still is. He is making the most with what he has and you can’t compare this team to teams like the Steelers and the Giants who have had years of good management and productive drafts.

by fins72marino420 on Sep 16, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

so are you really saying the fins

defense isn’t great – cause they sure looked pretty good on sunday… and they weren’t bad last year….

plus it’s not like the lame ducker puts points on the board… it seems to me that if henne can get 17 points a game your about where you are now.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's making the most of what he can.

He’s scared of contact. and he gave up on a play by just flat out spiking the ball 1 sec after the snap…

yep! He's the perfect man for the job

incase you didn’t know.. thats my sarcasm box

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this box belongs to you

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This box does not denote sarcasm

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect comment. Congrats.

Tracking the Fins from Rio de Janeiro, the "Cidade Maravilhosa"

by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Done!

Couldn’t have said it any better.

by ct1361 on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last 2 years i've been making this exact point

well said and you get a rec from me.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec it Up!! Thanks bro...

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Sep 17, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i rec'd it too

one more and it turns green. =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... you got it...

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 17, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, MNF , the Dolphins are back in primetime baby!

TWO MNF FOOTBALL GAMES THIS YEAR?? UHH YES PLZ

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats irrelevant right now

What we are trying to here is taking jabs at the guy playing quarterback for us.
I’ll give you a few cues to get you started.
- You can call him a Jet
- Throw around insults like “noodle arm”
.Then just go off about how you would go under the sheets with Henne if you had the chance

Follow those guidelines and you’ll be ok

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would let Pennington stick his Chadwick in me ya feel me

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 16, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TMI

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ITM?

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 17, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TMI

Too much information

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol i know

i was just being random

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

eeuuwwww...............

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was witty and timely

give it up

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 17, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ewwww cmon chris

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i told you i'd be back to dick jokes in no time haha

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 17, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tru to ur word

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know you've missed me oh so much

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Sep 17, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i did, i'll admit it

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you'll have to fight rz and nicky for that right

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 17, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. his passes are thrown so hard he's a Jet!
2. He’s a noodle armed progress stopper
3. I would cheat on Beck for henne

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 17, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did that just happen?

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 17, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i have tix to one!

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LCFF

So wha if we put Henne in and he gets eaten alive by the defenses he would face this season? Then we draft another QB? How quick can you just write this guy off?
 With the way our O-line and recievers are playing he isn’t going to have a whole lot to lean on. He’s a guy that has all the tools to be a franchise quarterback but this team is still rebuilding. I’ve said all along that if we had a Larry Fitzgerald, or Andre Johnson, or even a solid rushing attack then put him in and see where he can take us. Unfortunately we don’t have that go to reciever that can make or break a young quarterback and there are question marks/concerns with the O-line.
Maybe right now Pennington is just the better fit for this offense, yes he doesn’t have the cannon arm but he is very good at throwing those seam routes down the field which is very underrated and he spreads the ball around to a young recieving corps and doesn’t beat us with turnovers.

by fins72marino420 on Sep 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you hit the nail on the head

how long DOES it take to let a guy play and decide if he is the “franchise guy”? 1 season of starting? 2?

I am just saying that we already know Pennington is not going to be the solution. Granted, right now, with the limitations you have described (and which I agree with), CP probably gives us a better chance to win because of his experience. But how much better of a chance? And what is the offset by having a guy (Henne) that can make the defense cover a 20yd out route, as well as a 9 route? There has to be some benefit to that.

My only point is that we need to start getting Henne in there and find out if he can play. If he plays like Flacco or Ryan, or probably Sanchez or Stafford as well, we will know pretty quick.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly right

what was the difference between cassel game 1 last year and cassel game 2 …. well game 1 he stunk and even porter said pregame there is only so much he can do…. and game 2, he has 7 more games of experience, and porter says they can’t do the same things because he’s grown as a starter…

the good QB’s take their lumps and get better the bad ones don’t and they only way to tell the good ones from the bad ones is to play them.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said.

We have to play him or we just do not know.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Of course we know! That's why we are not playing him now, because we already know!*

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never confuse the crap out of me

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All QB's are going to get hit. All QB's are going to take sacks.

There is no perfect O-Line out there. Getting hit, feeling the rush, learning to keep looking downfield when all hell is breaking loose around you, are all things that QB’s can only learn while playing. That is why it is so important IMO to get Henne game experience before next year. He has to see this stuff live. He has to show that he can take a pounding and not wilt. He has to show that he can make plays even when the protection breaks down, as it definately will. He has to show he is a QB.

by ct1361 on Sep 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We just drafted Pat White

so I don’t see us drafting another QB next year instead maybe we should draft some weapons so our young quarterbacks have some talent to lean on. It’s a team game and right now we just don’t have all the pieces in place to accurately assess what we have in our very young quarterbacks.

by fins72marino420 on Sep 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do you really think they drafted White as a franchise QB?

I think they drafted him because he is a very good athlete and they figured that they could use him in multiple roles.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right.

I don’t think that they drafted him to be the franchise QB at all. I think they figured they could use his athletic abilities in a number of ways and that was their reasoning behind it. White could develop into a very good QB in the future, but right now I don’t think the FO is looking to him to be our franchise QB.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

28 "Phinsider Feud" Points

by Chupathingy on Sep 16, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes the did

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its interesting that the guys

who say that they know henne isn’t ready because he had a quote poor preseason fall in line behind white(who i like a lot btw) yet how would his preseason showing be classified?

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the same people are refusing to acknowledge how cp severely cripples the potential of our offense

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post

I have been a lurker on this site for the past 6 months or so. But I think I really need to pipe up and voice my opinion. I agree that CP is our Commander in Chief at the moment and he should be. But I also want to know how long Chad Henne will be holding on to the clip board. I think last years season spoiled us and I think we are in for a rude awakening this year.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said!

I have been accused of some of the “CP has a noodle arm” crowd of being wishy-washy in the Henne vs. CP discussions, but I agree with the fact that you support the guy who is in there. In that respect, I support CP and certainly do not wish him to fail.
But the reality is that he is not gonna be here in a year or two, and I don’t want to continue the parade of temporary QBs that we have been suffering through since Danny boy left. I mean, what is the chance that we will EVER be a contender unless we find a franchise QB? Slim to none, I’d say. Let’s get on with the process.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wishy washy nah

who would ever accuse you of being a fence sitter….

but once you unstick your cammy from that post… you’ll be welcomed, unlike matty, on the henne bandwagon.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can sit behind me

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah... he likes it from behind.... LOL!!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was going to suggest

that i’ve been at the front of this bandwagon until i read this ….
now i’m rethinking my position…. maybe i wait to be at the end of the line….

btw: LOL

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL - exactly right

if i have to be in a line i’d rather push then be pushed … so to speak…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, i understood...

didn’t really need more detail…

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha\

it funny wen im not the victom

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 17, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you SOOOO much!

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I do

give him time to develop and I don’t see why not

by fins72marino420 on Sep 16, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Franchise quarterbacks aren't always defined

in their first season starting in this league(Elway, Aikman).

by fins72marino420 on Sep 16, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude, you seriously need to use the "reply" button.

otherwise, no one can tell who you are talking to…

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you on that one!

If we are building a team for the long haul we need to know about Henne by the end of this year…..before the next draft!

by MassFinFan65 on Sep 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they are not.

which is exactly why it is important to start the process, so that we are not still looking in 5 yrs.

My point is that CP is NOT the franchise guy, and we already know that.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Since I was the one that got all of you fired up over CP10 on monday, I am not going to post anything ever agian,about CP. We all know he is not the answer. So lets move
on and hope our dolphins pound INDY’S ass into the ground.

by ecks on Sep 16, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CP 10 is a place holder.

But here is the million dollar question. When is the right time to put in Henne? I think we are stalling the inevitable here. We know he is the future of the franchise but we have another test here on Monday night. Against a very experienced team and I think this will be a make it or break it game for CP 10.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is the right time to put in Henne?

If we have a losing record at the bye, put him in then.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok lets follow this one

what circumstances/record/etc would justify a QB change?

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... baiting... baiting... baiting...!!!!

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another offensive stinker like last week and the vultures will be in full effect...

so let’s just preempt that.

QB change in 2009? Yes? No? If yes when?

by Natalya on Sep 16, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let Henne start games and play until we are down by a score.

if that never happens, great. But one score should not be too much for the amazing Pennington to rally back from, should it?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK... I'll bite...

… I would feel that the next two games would be the decider… but that’s just my feeling…

… I also don’t think CP10 will stink the next two gamess… but that’s just my thinking…

Coach will probably give him till Novemeber sometime… maybe….

Adjutant General, Matty Fan Club
64 "Phinsider Fued" Points..!!
"Everybody wants a hero, but they're not willing to wait for one"

by Alpha6 on Sep 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The right time to put in Henne.

 I think Henne should have started this year. We need to take a look in the mirror and realize that Cp 10 isn’t the answer and that Henne isn’t getting any better being sidelined with a clip board. Now I’m not taking anything away from Cp 10, what he did for us last season was remarkable to say the least. But like I said earlier, we are in a rebuilding stage and what happened last season is going to spoil us this season.

Food for thought, what would of happened if we started Henne last season? Last season we did not have a meat grinder of a schedule. He could have came out last season take it on the chin the first few games or so.Bbut later on in the season play the likes of San Fran, St Louis, Buffalo and possibly win a few games and not only build some confidence but have some time to gel with recievers and the offense as a whole. Just think of the matchmaking opportunities we would have if we actually had a legitimate deep threat. Instead we have a gimmick of a running game in the “wild cat”.

Like I said I’m not trying to take anything away form CP 10. But what happened when we got to the playoffs? Anyone care to remind me?

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

when we got to the playoffs, the stinkin Ravens

crowded the line, shut down the run, and let Ed Reed sit back and play catch with Pennington.
Now do you remember?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all coming back to me now.

And I didn’t even have to start up the Delorean.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

thanks alot Left. /

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perfect.

Well said. Henne’s time will come, we can’t rush things. For now, he’s just an average QB.

And CP10 will certainly perform better when the offensive line starts to show some (needed) improvement — let’s just hope that it won’t take too much for that to happen.

by Rennie85 on Sep 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if he is an average QB, then his time will NOT come

because we are not looking for an average QB. The question is, how do you know what Henne is until he gets in a few games? No matter how long he sits behind CP, Henne is still going to have a learning curve when he gets in a real game, so it will take some playing time to find out whether or not he is an average, below average, or above average QB.

When you make a statement like you know how Henne will play, you are just speculating. You don’t know. NONE of us know. That is the problem.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

average = not ready yet

…and he was given a few chances to play this year – camp, preseason. I know those are not exactly real game situations, but the thing is that he didn’t show any outstanding skills on those opportunities. That’s a fact. I hope Sparano will give him some opportunities throughout the season (“real games”) but let’s not forget that CP10 was much more efficient while on field than Henne during this preseason.

I might be speculating that Henne will not perform much better than CP10 for now, but you are speculating that he has a chance to improve when he finally faces a real game. You can’t affirm that, really.

by Rennie85 on Sep 17, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, i am not speculating that he WILL be good or WILL improve

i am merely stating that without the opportunity, it WON’T happen.

He certainly has a CHANCE to improve if he plays.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CP10 - Henne - How to get Henne PT....

Okay, everyone knows that Henne is the current future QB of this franchise. Whether or not he is the Future of the Franchise, we don’t know yet. But he’s our current future, and the FO has said they want to get him at least 12 full quarters of PT this year, to prepare for next year.

So, if we are going to give him PT, my suggestion is this. Give him the first Quarter of 6 games, and the 4th Quarter of 6 games. You’ll see how he gets into a game, develops a rhythm, and see how he drives….and then if we get behind, Pennington comes in and tries to catch us up.

Then you also get to see how he closes games….if we are behind, he’s got to make some 4th quarter comebacks, or if we’re ahead, he’s got to move the ball and milk the clock.

I think this scenario gives him the most optimum playing time, and game situation. Putting him in in Junk Time, just doesn’t accomplish what we need to see out of this kid.

Thoughts?

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just let him start and play until we get behind 1 score. Then put CP in.

It would not be any different than if CP were playing the whole game, and the other team scored first.

I completely agree that junk time doesn’t solve the problem, and is certainly not even guaranteed to happen.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Up?

Please. We’re Dolphins fans. We not only watched all those 0-14 games but we also wore our jerseys and spent hard earned cash on food and drink during those losses.

This team can gel. Last year the secondary was atrocious at the start of the season and by half-way through they had become a strong point.

The QB thing is simple. No one should be calling for Pennington’s head yet. I do think it is perfectly fine to criticize and question why Henne was not given a little playing time last week. List White as a WR or something. Sit someone else. Chad Henne should have had two series last week.

I’m for even letting Henne have a series or two in close games. Perhaps sometime in the 3rd he should be given a chance to run a drive. Like Shula did with Marino. Like Walsh did with Montana. Good QBs often times aren’t born in fiery baptisms.

The line, oddly, is the only thing I fear. They played so very bad. So very, very bad. Like they were uncoached journeymen.

I run a lazy, booze addled & thoroughly unprofessional Dolphins blog: www.thephinisher.com.

by The Phinisher on Sep 16, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree about the line.

And well said about us being Dolphin fans… I have been on the Dolphins bandwagon much longer than many here.

I just don’t think the point of the discussion is to criticize Pennington. At least for me, that isn’t the point. For me it is simply about finding out whether Henne can be the guy to replace Pennington or not. I mean, we drafted the guy to play, right?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first Dolphins game....

I was 10…..1983. Miami vs. Buffalo.
My Dad and I had cheap 4th row seats in the endzone…. I loved football, but this was my first real NFL game…. I got to eat a hot dog, have some Pepsi, and watch this guy throw the ball to receivers I swear he wasn’t even looking at.

My first game, was Danny’s first start. Although, I didn’t realize that until I was in my 20’s and my Dad informed me, that the first game we watched was his first game in the NFL.

Been a fan ever since.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my first dolphins game

was in the orange bowl, against the baltimore colts. =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Henne said that being able to sit

and learn the playbook and learn how to read defenses without having to worry about anything else was priceless last year and I think we’re all in agreement on that but when to turn it over to him is the big question…I want to know if he is “the one” or do we need to continue looking but I feel that sending him in too early with poor OL play and/or poor play calling and scheming will forever ruin him as it has undoubtedly ruined others.

The divide in IMO in large part comes from the sink or swim,hes got or he don’t regardless of playing from his ass crowd and the people who think the only way one truly has a chance to show what they really have is to be able to survey the field long enough to actually see if the longer routes are available BEFORE you go to your check downs and safety valves instead of consistently having to check down without going through the reads because of pressure.

Some people think that Tom Brady and/or THE best ever would have been successful playing for Detroit and they always will so there’s no use in even trying to talk with these people because even when you show them Danny or Brady sitting back in the pocket,patting the ball 3 or 4 times as their eyes scan from right to left and then throwing a touchdown,they get NO further than “Man he can sling the damn ball can’t he!”….they say they don’t but yet they bitch bitch bitch about checkdown checkdown checkdown and to me that proves they really don’t get it.

There have been MANY successful QB,WR combos down through the the years but they ALL revolved around TIMING,whether you’re talking Green and/or Warner to Bruce,Holt and Proehl,Montana to Taylor,Rice and Clark,Brady to (pick some out of the many) or THE best to Duper,Clayton and whomever(the beer man,hotdog vender,security guard etc.etc.) just to name a few but it all boils down to sceming and timing and that starts up front.

CP doesn’t have a strong arm(Montana didn’t either) and some say that is why teams “stack the box” against us but how do you explain the good running teams being able to run the ball at will even when the D KNOWS they are going to shove it down their throat?

I say the reason teams don’t respect our passing game is because A) our QB isn’t afforded the time to REALLY go through his progessions and B) our scheme is SO FKN Vanilla that all you have to do is send 5,jam our TWO receivers(I think we only have two receivers active given the lack of 3,4 or God forbid 5 receiver sets),drop the safetys for double coverage,use 1 LB to spy the RB and 1 to stay with the TE.

ALL of our timing issues can be corrected with better OL play but until that time MOST competent OC’s run muliple WR sets to spread teams out and get LB’s trying to cover WR’s but that’s simply too exotic for Dan “THANK GOD for David Lee and his Wildcat or I’d be out of the NFL yet again” Henning and we would be Vanilla regardless who was under center because thats what we are.

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I say the reason teams don’t respect our passing game is

Our QB has a weak arm and has a fumble and 5 INTs his last 2 games.

Hell on 1 other QB has more TOs his last 2 games, that being Delhomme with 8 in Carolina. He is a far more accomplished QB than Penne and they are calling for his head now.

But down here, its everything is wrong except Pennington.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

 That’s a good comparison.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You use 2 games because it supports your argument.

Stretch that 2 games, to 11…and your argument fails, because the TOs aren’t there.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You use 2 games because it supports your argument

No I use 2 games, because they were the LAST 2.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington go 14 and 0?!!!

Wow I missed that.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now your just being flat out annoying

The hatred you show against Pennington only serves the purpose to undermine your arguments when you talk about him.
With you its like taking to the kitchen table, you can do it if you want but you’ll probably come out of it even more stupid that before.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the same way

with peoples love for Pennington

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference with people that support pennington and you

is that we support whichever quarterback the head coach decides to put on the field. Because he isnt playing for the jets or for himself his playing for the Dolphins. Last year he embraced us and now we are embracing him back.
I can understand that he isn’t the ideal qb for you but after last year how can you not be supportive of him for at least 5 games??
How can you guys not recognize that this guy single handedly took us to the playoffs last year?
Unbelievable

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CP 10 and playoffs is like mixing vodka and milk.

There’s a reason they call CP 10 Mr. December. Look as I said before. I’m grateful that CP 10 took us to he playoffs, but after one game against the Ravens and their Ravenous “d” I realizied two things, that Cp 10 was a band-aid. All I’m trying to say is lets hand the keys to Henne and see how far he takes us.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are called White Russians...quite good.

You gave this QB 1 season, and 1 season only. He led a 1-15 team, to 11-5, with a weeks worth of preparation, and won a division that we haven’t won since 1994, and took us to the playoffs which we hadn’t done since 2001.

Now after losing 2 games in a bad fashion, you rant and rave about putting in another unproven QB, because this QB “doesn’t have it”…. I bet you wanted to put Beck in. I bet you wanted Cleo Lemon, and Sage Rosenfells. I bet, you argued for getting rid of Fielder, despite his success…. instead of helping to build a team around him.

CP took us to the playoffs, with questionable WR’s, No real TE Threat, a good defense, and a so-so running game.

Henne will get his time…. Henne might be fantastic, but so far he hasn’t shown it. And we already know when Henne is going to be HANDED not earned, but HANDED the keys to this offense….. the first snap of 2010. So relax. You’ll get your wish. In the meantime, lets let this kid see if he can repeat.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

White Russians also have Kahlua

Every Dolphin fan I knew wanted to get rid of Fiedler. I kind of liked him. He had guts. Not a very good QB, but he had guts. And by repeat, do you mean his lousy success the year after a full season. Or us getting pounded in the first round of the playoffs?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i liked him too.

specially diving head long into the end zone to win that raiders game (i hate the raiders).

but unfortunately, he wasn’t good enough.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way, i loved fiedler

read my sig

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True about the Kahlua....

anyway, I never thought Fiedler was anything more than a game management QB. He wouldn’t go out and Win you a lot of games, so you had to have a Strong Defense, but he also wasn’t going to lose a lot of games for you either.

If was more of an equilibrium QB…. bad performance on either side of the ball and he tilted that way.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See that what I mean.

Thats the difference between the way u think and the way The Pats work.

You think we “owe” people something. We owe Pennigton nothing. Pats sent Seymour packing for a 1st rd pick, cause in the future it helps the team. After all those great years, the Pats didn’t think they “owed” him anything.

How can you guys not recognize that this guy single handedly took us to the playoffs last year?

Come on Mau, you cannot be serious.

Drew Brees can probably say with the way he plays he can single handedly took a team to the playoffs. Marino can say that. Not IN ANY WAY Pennington.

Stay with Mau, I’m gonna let you in on the truth and this is gonna hurt. I’m gonna list, in order why we got to the playoffs last year.

1) Bill Parcells
2) Sparano, Ireland, the coaching staff
3) a bend but don’t break defense
4) Our running attack
5) The Wildcat formation
6) Pennington

In that order. How on earth can you say Pennington done it by himself and hell he wasn’t even at the QB postion probably 1/5 -1/4 of the offensive plays?

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

first of all what the patriots did to Seymor was

inhumane. On the week school was set to start? come on. Dont know if you followed the cowboys of the 90s but that dynasty was built not only on playmakers but a huge amount of loyalty. You can even see it right till these days. Im glad Sparano understands that.

You got a point at the end, first of all, our running attack last year was inexistent. Ronnie had way less than a 1.000 yards not to say Ricky. And yes the wildcat was a factor but not in the clutch. The defense?? that piece o shit secondary single handedly took us out of the game against Kansas City, Houston and not to say the greatest game pennington had last season against NE down in Miami. Yes, he didn’t do it all by himself but you are telling me Josh McCown gets the W that last game against the Jets?? cmon.

Last, intangibles in the NFL are huge. just about the reason neither San Diego or Dallas has won a super bowl in the last 3 or 4 seasons. God, intangibles and leadership are so huge that we as dolphin fans should know that after having the pleasure of watching Zach Thomas week in and week out. Great teams have leaders and thats a huge part of why they are great. Martz had it with Faulk, Holt and Warner, Shanahhan with Elway and Davis and on and on. We had it with Pennington and Sparano, to a lesser extent of course but there was still a connection that made this team way better than it was before.
Im not saying he was the main cause for the turnaround but he was a major part of it, not only on the field but on the locker room. Where half the game is played according to our own Don Shula.

Dont take my words for it:

Brandon London:

“Chad was our offense”
Vernon Carey:
Coach [Tony Sparano] was like, `Come on! Come on! Come on!’ and Chad just said, ‘Calm down, coach. We got it,’ ‘’ Carey recalled. ``You sit there and, wow, somebody who just stood up to the coach. Like, `Hey, man, we’ve got this.’

``I guess Coach respected him for that, and all the players respected him for that.’’

’’Leadership’’ tops the short list of the few NFL assets not quantified by any clock, tape or Byzantine formula.

Andre Goodman:
‘’I think once we saw Chad [Pennington] come into our locker room that preseason game, when he actually entered our locker room, the atmosphere felt different,’’ cornerback Andre’ Goodman said. ``It’s kind of like you can see a leader walk in.’’

Sparano
‘’His work ethic is pretty contagious, and I think that when they see a guy has been in the league eight, nine, 10 years, and this guy is doing what he’s doing, I think that all of a sudden these guys figure out that this has got to be the right way,’’

This guy brought attitude to a team that lacked any of it, this guy brought the attitude such a sport like this requires to win. And what would his teammates take if you asked them, a rocket arm or this thingy called attitude??? let Andre Goodman answer that for you

‘’When the whole team sees that, attitude changes,’’ Goodman said. ``It just does. Attitude is a lot when it comes to playing this game"

So please give pennington more credit than having been “1/5” of the offense

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon London:

Is he still with the team.

And what are those people gonna do? Come out and bad mouth thier starting QB.

Didn’t read anywhere bout him thanking Chad for taking us to the playoffs though.

Didn’t say he was “1/5” the offense. I said he missed may “1/5” the offensive plays.

Kinda hard to "single handedly take a team to the playoofs when you only play one side of the ball. And even on that side of the ball your really not apart of a 5th of the plays.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

Chad peobably was those things, he did good last year, up to the last game.

But he didn’t single handedly do anything.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you start getting all "technical" it means you've

officially lost this argument. This is where I draw the line.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I were to answer to you "question"

I’d probably say this:

“He changed this whole team,” teammate Joey Porter said. “He’s not the one that’s going to brag about it. He’s just an old humble country boy. So I’m going to brag for him.”

But since I don’t believe you are worthy I’ll leave it at that.
When you write more than 3 fan posts get back to me.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did he just use a comment from Brandon London?

Who is he again? Oh yeah, the guy who caught 3 passes in 2 years in the NFL. Not sure he should be used to help your argument. And Andre Goodman too? So let me get this straight, you got two of your four comments supporting Chad from two ex-Dolphins? You’d think for such a great guy he’d have more quotes from current teammates.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ZING! HUZZAH

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was supposed to be here

If I were to answer to your “question”
I’d probably say this:

"He changed this whole team," teammate Joey Porter said. "He’s not the one that’s going to brag about it. He’s just an old humble country boy. So I’m going to brag for him."

But since I don’t believe you are worthy I’ll leave it at that.
When you write more than 3 fan posts get back to me.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job you dug up one more.

And from Joey Porter no less. Cause as Neo mentioned, I’m sure it’s real likely to find any teammate talk bad about the guy. I’m not worthy because I don’t have more fan posts? Is that how you rate Dolphin fans? By the number of fan posts? My god man, what did you ever do before the internet? Assuming of course you were born before the internet.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS

The hatred you show against Pennington

I don’t hate Pennington. He HELPED the Fins get to the playoffs.

Its more of a Pro Henne, than a hate Pennington thing.

Its more of a “lets continue the building process while Bill is here thing”, than a “I’m not as foolish to think we are gonna be as good as we were last year thing”.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

last year was fun, but this year I would like to see us solidify the team.

i don’t really expect us to go to the SB this year, but if we solve the last few pieces to the puzzle, MAYBE we can get there next year?
If we don’t, we are back to the Wanny years.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But its not just two games.

 How far did he did CP 10 get into the playoffs when he was with the Jets? You know the old saying about history repeating itself? Well its happening now.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many did the strong armed Cutler have on Sunday

against a lesser D than Baltimore when CP threw his 4? I thought a strong arm negated a good D ? I bet Cutler had all day to throw just like Grossman,Orton and the last 10 QB’s Chicago has had didnt he.

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damnit..and I said there was no use talking to ppl like you..forgive me

I don’t think that way, I still think there is hope for “people like you”.

I post because I care.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

i knew there was a reason i wasted time doing this …

now i have a cause.

i post because i care.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 17, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

like i care.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 18, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apples and oranges

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So in other words a weak armed QB

throwing 4 INTs because of pressure is a lot different than a strong armed QB throwing 4 INTs because of pressure…I suppose I’m a moron since I don’t understand how the same thing causing 2 different people to do the same thing is different!

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't say that

Not in anyway do I call people names, don’t put words in my mouth.

Pressure or not, (and again there goes the “excuses for Pennigton” again..Don’t go blaming ALL his INTs on pressure.

He is suppose to be a “caretaker”, well, take care of the damn ball. Our younger guy couldn’t do worse than he is.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait a sec FDHN... i am not clear on your position

i get that you think our problems are primarily due to play calling.

But are you also saying that you think, with better play calling, Pennington is the right guy at QB?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must be

because he is comparing him to franchise QBs.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our problem is multidimensional LCFF

I think a Bill Walsh,Mike Martz or any OC with a put the D back on their heels type mentality would have teams begging us to run against them after their schemes torched their butts.Can you imagine the havoc our present WR corp would cause with Hartline and Bess running crossing routes,slants,Camarillo and a TE running outs and Ginn on a fly AT THE SAME TIME ?

Jerry Rice was more famous for taking 5 yard slants to the house rather than catching bombs and it was all because of scheme as he didn’t have to get seperation from a jam.

CP would thrive in that type of setting because he is insanely accurate and you’re not asking your OL to block for 3-5 seconds..2 gets it done!

I’m a firm believer in it starting up front and if you have a solid trench then you can run it down their throats but IF you don’t then the only way to solve that is to spray the bullets because they can’t dodge them all but Henning was brought in to institute a ball control Offense,which I love and adore,but when you can’t do that you have to put the D in panic mode with multiple weapons and when they’re loosened up and sucking wind from chasing the little guys around the field you change gears with ball control and shove it down their throats.

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you the slant patterns,

but those outs are a little out of Pennington’s arsenal. It also helps when you have running/receiving threats named Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk in your backfield.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll take R&R and not complain one bit

regardless of the names you throw out there!

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree that R&R are fine receiving threats out of the backfield.

but i also agree with L2D above, that Pennington can’t hit those deep outs.

I see your point about the play calling; i just don’t know how we do it when we can’t make the D cover the whole field

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking 10's for the quick read angle not 20's

because CP has very little velocity if any and I’m not delusional in thinking otherwise but the short to medium hits would be very effective with multiple WRs IMO.

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can't hit the 10's either.

It may not be a far distance, but you gotta throw those passes with alot of velocity to avoid a pick 6. Pennington doesn’t have that kind of arm strength.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that might work

as long as your line can back up the running game, and I’m not sure they can right now.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes R&R are nice receiving threats,

but I don’t think we can compare either of them to Craig or Faulk. C’mon now.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but no one had both Craig AND Faulk

we have both Ronnie AND Ricky!

So i think that is yahtzee!
;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we were talking about 7 years ago Ricky...

I’d be with ya on that one. Unfortunately, we got rehab/retired Ricky.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some how i think

you are asking for the wrong head… if there is any coach on this team that needs to go it’s Bono.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now you are not only using your general bias against Pennington BUT

you are specifically measuring him up because of his last 2 performances ?? That is going to be your new trend? You are unbelievable.

How will you be able to watch Monday’s game if every time Pennington does something right you won’t be able to stand it?

Seriously man, right here and right now there is no chance in hell you can call yourself a dolphin fan

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right here and right now there is no chance in hell you can call yourself a dolphin fan

Sure I can. I want whats best for the “Miami Dolphin Team”. If I think a player is playing poorly and another guy can play better and help the team win, how is that not a fan?

you are specifically measuring him up because of his last 2 performances ??

Go to a Carolina Panther blog and see what people are saying about their beloved Delhomme because of his past 2 starts. And keep in mind he has been the established starter there for years.

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mau, being a fan does not mean you have to agree with everything the team does.

are you telling me that you were fawning all over Cam Cameron’s jock while he was running the team into a 1-15 hole? If so, you might still be a fan, but not a very smart one.

Criticizing the decisions or play of the team, does NOT make you any less of a fan. Any more than blindly bowing to an idol of Pennington will make you any more of one.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOoooo left

you got a Matty’s “well said” you must be proud. He doesn’t just hand those out.-)

If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

- Job 13:5

by Neo on Sep 16, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing is constructive criticism which Im all for, a whole other

is name calling and rooting against your starting Qb. Yes, including the people that call him “the jet”

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 16, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow mau

i guess you have to look at more then what the lame ducker did last year… but examine his career…
lets pull up CP’s playoff stats with the jets? lets pull up his career stats against say Pitt or Bmore… or
how about on 3rd and 8… they aren’t pretty… if you are expecting a superbowl with this guy you aren’t going to get it…

so matty’s comparison to Fiedler is an apt one… the guy will get you 9-7 but nothing else… and somehow i respect a fan like Neo more because he doesn’t want to settle for a QB that gets some wins he wants greatness at all spots.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly to me he's nothing more than a Gus Ferotte.

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

another caretakers who does nothing but progress stop.

aka. The Chad Pennington Syndrome

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Sep 16, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And your experience in progress?

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 16, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O-line did have an impact on CP 10's play.

       We will see how we stack up against Indy this monday. You are right though I guess I shouldn’t put all the blame on CP’s shoulder the offense was disfunctional. And it’s not going to get any easier on monday with Dwight Freeney on the field. Hopefully, The Trifecta gets to the root of the problem and fixes it. Because if the same O-line that showed up on Sunday shows up on Monday then its going to be a long day for Dolphin Offense.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

O-line wasnt all the difference

Lets not forget one thing, every time he dropped back to make a pass all he would do is look for the check down, very few times did I see him actually look downfield to see if any of our boys were open, if he continues to play like that, we will never be able to scare anyone into not keeping 8 in the box, so our running game will be very limited

Carl Champion Jr

by CarltheChamp on Sep 16, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Your right.

 And if we don’t start protecting CP 10 then he is going to revert to his other nickname: Mr. Glass.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 16, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And thats the only reason I DON'T want to see Henne now

because getting use to the speed of the NFL is one thing but subjecting him to this would be akin to what Cam did to Beck and that is beyond retarded..it’s criminal!

by firedanhenningnow on Sep 16, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touch'e

 So you don’t want him to be another Rex Grossman.

Mee it suck'd first, and now it sucks thee,
and in this flee, our two bloods mingled bee.

by Coolerking on Sep 17, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think grossman was a system QB

Henne has more talent, IMO.

Loved Grossman in college.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but the problem is.....

see they are getting some pressure with maybe 5 in the box but both Ronnie and Ricky both can get 5 and 6 yards a carry usually with that kind of pressure, but they cant because NOBODY is playing very deep so as soon as its obvioiusly a draw or any other kind of run they collapse on the middle of the field, which shuts down our offense completely, I am not ready by any stretch to bring Henne in but it will be nice to have someone in who can actually throw a deep pass without throwing it 2 miles in front of the reciever, and TEDDY is so fast, if you overthrow him you are doing something seriously wrong

Why not us!?!?!?!?!?!
-Our Whole Team before every game

by CarltheChamp on Sep 16, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said.

i have the same concerns about the play calling. Yes, we have O-line problems, but spreading out the D to prevent them stacking the box only works if your wideouts can quarter the field and force the DBs to cover the whole thing.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, general comment to all

Nice thread here! Great debate! And for the most part, the posts are intelligent and make for a fair discussion. I bet a lot of other teams do not have this kind of passion and commitment among their fan base,

Kudos Fin Fans!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

i love it!!

i mean, not living in S. Fla, THIS is awesome, to be able to talk about this with other Fin Fans.

Just awesome!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 16, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply