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I suppose having a stronger arm would help you make a throw from this position, right?

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I suppose having a stronger arm would help you make a throw from this position, right?

Now that we've had some time to digest what happened on Sunday afternoon in Atlanta, let's talk a little bit about what we "learned" from this game.  And keep in mind that you can't really "learn" anything from just one game.  But you can start to form some thoughts.  Please feel free to tell us all what you think you learned as well.

We learned that Miami's offensive line is nowhere near as good as we thought it would be.  Chad Pennington dropped back 33 times - and was sacked four times, hit four times, and hurried 13 more times.  That's 21 of 33 drop backs in which CP was under immense pressure.  So even if the Dolphins wanted to take some shots deep, there wouldn't have been time on most plays.

We learned that the secret is out on Jake LongJohn Abraham said after the game that he watched a lot of film on Jake Long and figured out how to beat him.  "It's going to be a bull rush and inside move," said Abraham.  "It seemed to work today."  And things aren't going to get any easier for Jake.  He'll go up against Dwight Freeney next week and then face San Diego's pass-rushing linebackers off the edge in week three.  Long better get back to work this week and sure up his technique.

We learned that Bill Parcells and company might not be as smart as we all want to believe.  This is a regime that selected Jake Long over Matt Ryan in 2008 - and while it's far too early to put that decision in the "loss column," Sunday's game was certainly discouraging.  They also handed big paydays to Justin Smiley, Jake Grove, and Vernon Carey.  And all three were pretty bad on Sunday.

We learned that there will always be Dolphin fans who are calling for Chad Pennington to be benched in favor of Chad Henne even though Henne was far from impressive in the preseason.  I expect that after every loss this season, we'll have fans posting that we need to bench CP - even if the loss wasn't his fault.  But that's fine with me.  Truth be told, I'm also inching closer and closer to calling for Penningtin's benching.  However, I still remember what Pennington means to this football team.  He is the leader of this offense - both on the field and in the locker room.  I'm not ready to give up on him yet.  And remember - the grass isn't always greener on the other side.  What happens if Henne comes in to start the final eight games of 2009 and he just stinks it up each and every game?  Just something to think about, that's all.

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We learned that both Ronnie Brown and Anthony Fasano need to step it up if they want contract extensions from this front office.  Brown did run hard, though, and I'm not sure we can blame him for the lack of the running game.  It's impossible to run the ball when there are no running lanes.  Fasano, though, was probably one of the biggest culprits to Sunday's loss.  I don't want to hate on him too much because it was very uncharacteristic of him, but Fasano's first fumble really turned around this entire game.  If he doesn't cough it up, who knows how the game plays out.

We learned that the Dolphins can struggle on the road against one of the NFC's best teams and still be in the game well into the second half.  For all of their struggles, the Dolphins had the football in Atlanta territory trailing by 10 with 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.  Sure, a loss is a loss.  But just think about that fact for a minute.  The Dolphins had already turned the ball over twice, including once in the redzone, and were still only trailing the Falcons by 10 points, had possession inside Atlanta's 40, and had over a quarter to win this game.

We learned that the Dolphins should be able to stop the run pretty darn well in 2009.  This defense held Michael Turner, a guy who ran fo 1700 yards and averaged 4.5 yards per carry in 2008, to just 65 yards rushing and less than 3 yards per carry.  That's impressive work - especially from the outside linebackers who had to set the edge.  It was believed that teams would try to run right at Joey Porter and Jason Taylor because neither was particularly effective stopping the run.  But both held their ground at the point of attack and each even made a tackle in the backfield.  That's certainly a good sign.

We learned that Phillip Merling is indeed a "gamer."  For all the talk about how he doesn't practice well, this guy just seems to make play after play on gamedays.  He was a force last season as a reserve and again was a dominant force on Sunday as a reserve.  Now you just have to wonder for how long he remains a reserve.  Randy Starks should be on notice.

We learned that effectively covering opposing tight ends is going to be a problem.  It was a problem all preseason long and it continued to be a problem on Sunday in Atlanta.  Yes, Tony Gonzalez is an all-time great.  But it's not like it's going to get much easier in the coming weeks.  On Monday night, Dallas Clark comes to town.  Six days later, the Dolphins will head to San Diego to face Antonio Gates.

General NFL Thoughts

We learned that while Adrian Peterson is really good, his offensive line is even better.  There were a number of runs where AP wasn't even touched for 5 to 10 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.  Could you imagine how great it would be if Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams could get close to that kind of blocking?

We learned that strong arms mean little a a quarterback when you make bad decisions and inaccurate throws.  Just ask Bears fans who had to watch Jay Cutler throw interception after interception.

We learned that Rex Ryan, at least for now, was able to back up his words.  His defense dominated the Texans offense on Sunday.  It makes you wonder why the Dolphins can't get the same kind of pressure on the quarterback that the Jets did on Sunday.  Joey Porter, Jason Taylor, and company are every bit as good - if not better - than the pass-rushers the Jets were throwing at the Texans.  Remember - they were without Shaun Ellis and Calvin Pace.

We learned that it's sometimes better to be lucky than good.  My example - the Broncos.  Could some of that New England luck have followed Josh McDaniels to Denver?

We learned that Tony Romo continues to be a great September through November quarterback.  But we all know he'll crumble in December - as usual.

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Jake Long

I’m still very happy to have this guy on the team. There is no question that the front office made the right decision because at that time coming off of a 1-15 season, we had nothing. No o/line no d/line, nothing! We were not in a position to take a gamble on a QB like that wtih nothing else around them. The fastest way to build a good team is to start with the O/line then move to defense. I learned that from my coach in pop warner in 1984
Now just because Jake is really good and he’s 6’7" 315 that does not mean that he’s perfect. These veteran DE’s are just as strong as he is. What I expect from Jake Long is to get in there and be a “professional” and work on that technique. He’ll do that I’m sure.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

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by AussieKen on Sep 15, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree well put

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Henne the answer?

What exactly has everyone seen from Henne to make you believe that he’s the answer?
At this point, I’m happy to have CP10 behind center, because both of our Backups have shown to be inaccurate and inconsistent, even against 2nd and 3rd string teams.

Henne might do better behind the 1st string O-line, but lets be honest, our 1st string O-Line isn’t protecting anyone right now.

Yes, Yes, yes, we know Henne can throw the deep ball… but can he throw it accurately to OUR receivers is what I’m more concerned about. We’ll find out next year most likely, unless CP10 turns it around.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Matty

Good to hear you are inching closer to call for CP10’s benching… Because that’s the direction we as a football team HAVE to go at some point. CP10 helped us last year, and is being a great rolemodel and teacher for Henne and White, but the road with him doesn’t lead us anywhere…

Let’s just hope that when Henne steps in, he is what we hope for, because I am really skeptical about Pat White being our franchise QB.

And as for Long… he will get over it. He is a dedicated and a serious player, who should be able to shake it off, and continue to contribute for the team.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on tom Brady couldnt have won behind that offensive line

If they dont step it Up we will not have a good year and btw both ronnie and Ricky averaged over 4 yards a carry

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 15, 2009 12:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

oh come on tom Brady couldnt have won behind that offensive line

If they dont step it Up we will not have a good year and btw both ronnie and Ricky averaged over 4 yards a carry

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 15, 2009 1:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

CP10 shouldn't be benched yet

we need him still, as a leader on offense

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Too soon for that call… but it is coming.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree 100%

This is the point I was trying to get across yesterday. CP10 will never take us to the promise
land. Teams dont respect his arm strength, so they send everyting agaist our line. Sure the line did not play well, but when defenses are sending everything at you, it kind of hard to block that shit. I respect everything CP has done and brought to this team, with a big thank you.

I never believed that allowing a rookie QB waste on the bench, was the best way to train or prepare them. Flacco,Ryan,….Sanchez looks to be impressive, but it is only one game for sanchez. These OB’s were thrown to the wolves, and were told to sink or swim. We will
never know what Henne can do until he is under center. If not will just bring someone else in again, maybe a Trent green, Mcown, Feeley, or a Cleo Lemon. Wait a minuet, we been searching for one since GOD retired. I wish every Dolphins fan would face
facts that its time to find now or get the QB of the future under center. This teams one biggest problem has always been the QB.

by ecks on Sep 15, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we R gona bench CP10

It should be for PW. With the O line play, we better have a MOBILE QB there.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PW will never start for the Miami Dolphins....

barring a bus crash that kills the 2 QB’s in front of him.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this Dolphins' Defense will keep them in games...

… until the Offense adjusts what’s needed, to what looked so promising…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tru

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom Line

With all the poor play, if the Phins don’t turn the ball over, we would’ve won the game. Both backs averaged more than 4 yards a carry and we stopped the run cold. Matt Ryan was also plowed after many passes- we were just a half second too late. There are a few things to work on, but I’m glad this happened in the first game and not December. This team will come on strong next week.

by gophish on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our o line can only get better...

That’s the good news! How much better we will see? I believe they will be good!

GEtSICK 4 JC

by GEtSICK13 on Sep 15, 2009 3:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

they better or im gonna have a lousy season

I live in jet territory and they who one game they think theyre going to the super bowl, it Pisses me off i had to make an example of a kid in my school today who didnt stop talking about how Sanchez is the next coming of joe montana or something

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Sep 15, 2009 3:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Haha be patient!

Sanchez is dirty just wait!! He’s gonna fall apart!!

GEtSICK 4 JC

by GEtSICK13 on Sep 15, 2009 3:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it's not that difficult to score on Houston's defense.

Even if they do have our number for some ungodly reason, the Texans aren’t that great of a team on defense.

And as for the Jets defense dominating the Texans, it’s not really saying much considering that Matt Schaub is a very inconsistent QB. Sometimes he’s hot, hitting Johnson and Daniels like mad, and sometimes he’s Cleo Lemon bad. From what I saw, he looked like the latter on Sunday. I’ll wait and see how they do against the Pats offense next week.

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by Chupathingy on Sep 15, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i feel ya

i live in north jersey and almost fought a jets fan on the basketball court. They are so dumb. I really cant stand any jets fans.

by Wallace758 on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

every team has its bandwagoners

how about the classless pats fans, dispicable.

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by civwarbuff on Sep 15, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate jet fans

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Falcon Game

I was so pissed about the game, then looked at the stats, Falcons only had 21 more total yards and we controlled the clock which is a positive.
Take away even just two of the turnovers and I think we win 21- 13 or 17-13.
I also rewatched the whole game on Direct TV’S 30 minute break down, no commercials, just plays.
I was cussing Chad Pennington about his 2 yard passes and then realized it was the O- line who was sucking it up.
Also we where dominating and moving the ball with the running game and Dan Henning the O – coordinator starts calling throwing plays again, and we got Interceptions and fumbles.
When he did that during the game I knew what was going to happen and it did.

Just stay simple and POUND the ball and if its working stay with it and if its not stay with it and do some play action. Trick plays are cool and work sometime but where built for power and defense.

It is however time to let Chad Henne take the Raines and lead this team, Chad P has had his time in the league and will never be a Super Bowl type QB lets face it.
It was nice to rest Henne for a yr but lets put him in and see Tedd Ginn run like hell and Henne throw him the deep ball.
that will stretch teh field and allow ricky and ronnie to pound the ball and if they still put 8 in the box to stop the run Ginn, Hartline, Camarillo, Bess, Turner, & Henne will make em pay for it.
Chad will never demand respect for the deep ball, Teams will watch the Ravens Playoff game and see how to stop our short 4 yd a play offense.
ITS TIME TO CHANGE IT UP, We have the Defense and have the Players come on coaches make the move.

DOLFAN FOREVER & Ricky Williams needs 20 touches a game and he will dominate, did people forget what this guy does when he gets warmed up c’mon coaches.

by Dolfan forever on Sep 15, 2009 4:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you guys expect too much..

a little insight…
Atlanta is a much better team than the dolphins. Better qb, Better rb, Better Wr/te, better oline, better dline, better special teams.
Atlanta has a better foundation. Let’s be honest Michael Vick doesnt go to jail, Atlanta doesnt finish 4-12, dont get matt ryan. Atlanta were an average team when they got Ryan. Miami one of the worst franchises in the nfl. I’d take Jake Long again in a heartbeat, he’s already a top 10 LT
Miami had 4 turnovers, I’m willing to bet my house (prerecession value) that miami will not even get close to that number. Ronnie Brown will run the ball at least 20 times and ricky maybe 20 this week. Mark it.
Our defense looks sick. As the season I expect it to get even better. Of course there will be growing pains, but this team in their first game together shut down a top 5 rb and a top 5 wr.
Chad Pennington is OUR qb. He has finally given us stability at the position since jay fiedler yes jay fiedler.
Davon Bess is a stud already!
Ted Ginn is a bust. I just cant make myself cheer for him especially with that gay facemask he wear.
Just my insight…

by Wallace758 on Sep 15, 2009 4:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We also learned Greg Camarillo is probably the best WR on the team:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/andycohen.asp?contentID=6643

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by Kdog92 on Sep 15, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Kdog

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try my best :)

Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen! -Sean Connery

"Why not us?"- Tony Sparano

by Kdog92 on Sep 15, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA

awesome

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Merling...omg, he played like a man on a mission

I was leaning towards McDaniel to take the spot…now I’m having second thoughts.

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by Kdog92 on Sep 15, 2009 6:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

merling all the way

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Penningtons Arm

I love Pennington and I certainly don’t think that Henne gives us a better chance right now – that being said, CP10 has to throw the ball down field to open up the game a bit. Tossing the long ball (15+ yards) will open up the running game and it will open up the underneath for middle range passes. Throwing the ball 2-5 yards isn’t much more than a run and doesn’t open up the offense.

The coaches gotta send in more plays that force CP10 to throw down field. He CAN make those throws and unless he starts to at least attempt a few a quarter – we’ll struggle in all other offensive aspects. And of course, the O-Line has to block better.

by Don't hate on Yeremiah on Sep 15, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miami Dlphins

oops, cant find the ‘O’.

Hey Tony, chew some ass!!…I know its only the first game but we have to take a close look at Bono. Our STs suck and thats the first thing our opponents see at kickoff! All I can think of is how high we all were on the O-line after getting Grove and seeing a healthy Thomas. How much better a second year Long would be…what a downer….needed my Maalox….CP10 cant make downfield throws with 2 seconds to do it. Theres no push and no pass protection. Ginn’s a non-factor anyway. Give me another Bess any day.

This loss really hurt. I know I know its only game one and a non-conference game at that but I would not wanna play anyone in our division right now.

I predicted an 9-7 season and I still think we can do it but we have some business to take care of first.

Thanks guys…just venting.

Wide right again! Another graduate of the Norwood school for problematic kickers.....

by PhearThePhinzz on Sep 15, 2009 7:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CP

He is and will be an awesome Quarterback Coach and should be by now..“Those who can..Do,Those who can’t..Teach” When you can’t stretch the field..It gets alot shorter..

by Goose :) on Sep 15, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its one game

Ive been waiting for the big year since 93, but i dont think the season is lost. Sun was bad, Miami didnt look like last years team at all, turnovers were something we didnt do last year, and we had, i think 4, my god! I still think they can pull it togethor, the chief issue is the O line, give chad time and he can get it done, they need to step it up big time against Indy. I watched all the AFC East teams play and i was not impressed with anybody, NE looked bad, even though they won, Buffalo, blew a 2 touchdown lead with 5 min left, good god, the Jets, they played a sloppy houston team that i think is overrated, so natrually they won. The other AFC power houses all looked weak, Pitt, Indy, SD all struggled. I think were gonna be ok this year, plus we have the toughest schedule, this is our chance to show the rest of the league that we have what it takes.

by mikexmen84 on Sep 15, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe in being lucky in the NFL.

There was clearly a defender within range of Stokley that could have broken up that play in a heartbeat. Because Stokley was more aware, he made the play.

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by joel311 on Sep 15, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We learned that if the Bills can give the Pats a run for their money

then any team can, well not any but it can be done. We also learned that the Bills have improved but are the same old Bills when it comes to poor coaching.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Sep 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think tha Bison improved

I think tha panties sucks, as i spected ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pennington/Henne

Pennington starts as long as we have a chance at the postseason. If this isn’t the case by the 8 or 10 game mark, you have to go to Henne, to help determine whether or not he is the true QB of the future. If he is, great. If not, at least you know what you have to think about in the draft.

by Jevant on Sep 15, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only problem with that...

is if you then determine that Henne isn’t the answer…. you can’t go back to Pennington, and then where to do we go? The draft again? Tebow? :)

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

If Henne is not the one, we keep looking…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like talking to a wall.....

Hello Wall.
This is Henne. He throws the ball a long long way.
Not necessarily accurately.
No, we’re not sure he’s really that good. He did suck in preseason, so we think that’s a regular season decoy…..we’re tricky like that.

Yes, Wall… I know. I know. CP10 took us from 1-15 to 11-5 with the same defense, in just 1 year. Yes, Yes, I know… noodle arm. accurate. but…but…

screw you wall!
Put Henne in or I’m taking my toys and going home….hummrph!

You guys are like a bad newspaper cartoon.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry...

I won’t bother you anymore with my nonsense crap.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you want me to say? Its that simple, until we find a great player at any position in our team, we keep looking...

If Henne sucks, we go to the draft… What else can I say…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FinsFromBrazil, It doesnt matter who is at QB

if the O line doesnt protect. Im with u, but Fr8Train just told us wall lol

If we r a wall, tehn why in hell r u talking to a wall? unless u have a couple of beers, i guest!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is another thing I think we learned about the Dolphins after week #1

THE MIAMI WR CORP SUCKS! Tom Brady made a living against the Bills throwing short passes to OPEN WR’s. Where were the Phins open WR’s? Ginn, again, was a non-factor. Camarillo made a great catch, but he was covered like a blanket on that play. Hartline had to push off, and got caught, to make a catch. The only WR that worked in any space at all was Bess.

Pennington, for all that he lacks as a QB, can be somewhat effective if he can throw with timing. There is no timing on pass plays because the WR’s continue to get knocked off their routes and not creating separation. I will give the WR’s a little break because the field is so compressed because Pennington can’t throw deep, there is less space to work in. But they can also create more separation if they could get off a bump.

Atlanta’s defense sucks. But they did to the Phins what the Ravens did to them last year. The Falcons did to the Phins what the Bucs did to the Phins in preseason. Jam the WR’s, don’t allow a free release, jump the short routes because there is no deep threat, and be physical with Ginn. Until the Phins WR’s can beat a jam, and until there is a deep threat, this passing game will be stuck in neutral and will average a paltry 6 yds / attempt.

by ct1361 on Sep 15, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jake long not perfect but who is

I don’t understand why everyone expects Jake Long to be perfect. So out of the whole game he got beat 5-6 times by a pro bowl caliber player. Yeah he needs to improve his game. Matt Ryan over threw a couple touchdowns but nobody is calling him a bust.

You guys have to remember this is the first game of his second season. I bet the same moves that worked sunday against Jake won’t work this week.

by sdelinois on Sep 15, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We learned rooting for the bills

IS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY!!!

IAMLEGEND

by woomar on Sep 15, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No need to hit the panic button...

One Game, I mean, don’t forget last year’s start before they started going wild against New england and those stands were empty come 4th quarter..Do not forget that defense played good…the offense will adjust…it’s what this Dolphins do..remember last year’s motto…BEND BUT NOT BREAK!!!

by Dont_Panic_Kid on Sep 15, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie Brown

it time for him to step up. R U kidding my all on the oline. .did you see how Ricky finished runs and hit the holes. Brown looked like a dancers. They weren’t even playing Brown very much cause he was poop. Ronnie did have an amazing block to take out 2 guys for Ricky. Now as far as the o line protecting it was a JOKE. Jake Long can not have fogetten how to play. He looked HORRIBLE!!!! and I said as soon as we got Grove that he was crap. We paid a LITTLE less for him than the monster from the raven or the GREAT minn center. Now look at how well the oline played for the raiders last night.

by virginiafinfan on Sep 15, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My two cents

I have a hard time believing “the secret is out” on Jake Long. How does he go from making the Pro Bowl to being able to be beat with one move?? He a terrible game, it happens. How responds is when we will really learn about Long. This week’s test should give us some insight on that.

Merling really impressed me. He was all over the place- in a good way.

Also loved Ricky’s burst. With some blocking, he and Ronnie could go a long way with this year.

And the whole- CP10 vs Chad H debate… there shouldn’t be one. I know Henne has some sick physical tools, but when has he shown his ability to use those tools in regular season NFL game? He hasn’t. How quickly people forget that Chad P led this team to the playoffs last year. He’s not the future of this team, no, but he is the present. He gives the Fins the best chance to win right now.

by NumberSeven on Sep 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The sky is falling the sky is falling

for all you bandwagoners its time to GTFO.

anyway we learned that the OL must step up and earn that collective $150million

we learned that Merling shows up in a real game (practice? we talkin’ about practice?)

we learned that Greg Camarillo can sprout a 3rd hand out of his ass if need be,

we learned that you cant count on Buffalo worth a shit.

we learned that the Raiders are either good or the Norv Turner effect is really screwng up Sandiego/

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by Patssuck456 on Sep 15, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Turnovers and blocking

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems, we clean up the oline(fast) and dont commit dumb turnovers then we will be in a much better position to win on MNF vs Iny. Tackling does also have to improve.

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by civwarbuff on Sep 15, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Norv Turner

Is a terrible Head Coach. Good OC, baaad HC.

by NumberSeven on Sep 15, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol nice

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, just maybe!!

D r gano play us like that all year round!!
Atlanta play a ravens type D againt us, because of CP10 deep ball question mark. But IF not 4 the TO’s we would have won that game.
We r gona be on our backs all year round and need to play with zero TO. The O line is gona be tested REALLY hard all year round. We better prepared 4 all type of blitz.
If the presure gets worse i said, put PW in there, if he doesnt C anything he could run 4 atleast 10 yards ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PW can be arm-tackled.

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 15, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

… in a team meeting Jake was sitting next to PW.

… at one point, Jake lifted an ass cheek towards PW, and let a terrific fart.

… PW looked bewildered for a sec, then fell right over…

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by Alpha6 on Sep 15, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW guys! u r understimating PW!

Tho the comments were funny!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 Cents

Sean Smith I thought played “ok” in his first real game. If he makes that INT that would have been insane. He also had 2 pass deflections. Merling played great! Ricky played good. I thought Jason Taylor looked good as well.

I don’t think we have to panic about the safety play against TE’s just yet. Gonzalez is one of the best ever and if he doesn’t make that diving catch on the one and if Yeremiah makes the tackle on the dump, he has an ok game. Good job by Yeremiah on getting up after the miss tackle and chasing him down and almost stripping him inbounds.

I believe on first down we threw the ball 11 times and ran it 16 times. Last year we were a pass first team on first down to get in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. That did not happen on sunday. The O-Line MUST play better!

Matt

by Matt27 on Sep 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts

Well I agree with Matty on Fasano, I said this before the season got started, he never impressed me in the preseason, he needs to step it up, so important he was last year, he needs to secure the ball better and be a better play-maker, out receivers couldn’t do jack spit except for Bess, pathetic really. We can’t win on running game alone and it doesn’t help us any with line protection so poorly. No is only the first game, yes i’m sure the staff will make adjustments, but let’s remember that this season will proof to be alot tougher for us, strength of schedule alone. go Fins!!!

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by Finnatic on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One game hardly makes a season but...

as Matty suggested, there are some things to take away from this game.

The turnovers for one, are not indicative of a lack of talent. We can, much as last year, be a team that doesn’t give away the football. Whatever the reason, in this game we just didn’t hold on to the ball and it made a big difference.

The offensive line play though is more worrisome in my mind. The sophomore slump was out in full effect sunday and it sure wasn’t hampering Matt Ryan. Jake Long really does need to step up and get his game where it needs to be. Though let’s be fair, the rest of the line was hardly spectacular either.

Nobody likes to see a receiver have a big day against us but I’m not quite as worried about Gonzo’s outing as c’mon, he’s only the best tight end….ever..

All in all though – a few plays go differently and we actually have a shot. Pat White connects with Ginn on the deep pass, Fasano doesn’t lose the ball at the Falcon’s 10 yard line.

by Natalya on Sep 15, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone keeps playing the "If We Hadn't" game.

If we hadn’t turn the ball over 4 times, we would have won the game. If we hadn’t missed tackling Tony Gonzalez. If we hadn’t let the Falcons hurry Pennington all game. If White hadn’t overthrown Ted Ginn. The bottom line is, everything we saw happen was happening in the preseason and continued into the regular season. So while most of you were quick to dismiss the preseason as “it’s only preseason”. There were some of us very concerned over glaring issues with the team, that only playing a team’s starters the whole game would blatantly show. Does no one else realize that, league wide, we have probably one of the most talentless offenses. I’m not hating, I’m just being realistic. No 1000 yd receiver or rusher. A QB who’s shown over a 9 year career, this is going to be his shitty year. One pro bowler on the offensive line, and that was only because other guys pulled out of the pro bowl.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Snorky's take

1. Perhaps because of the 4-0 preseason, the OL and some others got comfortable. It happens. Period.
2. Some teams take longer to get going, and over the last many years. Miami is one of those teams.
3. It ain’t how you start, but how you finish.
4. Panic? Two years ago, they went 1-15, so Dolphins fans are supposed to panic because the team is 0-1 after going 11-5? Puh-leeeeaaze!
5. Guys! (and gals)…there are folks out there in the US including in South Florida who have been foreclosed on, have lost their jobs, must work part time to put food on table, are going on food stamps, have lost sons in Iraq and elsewhere, have children hit by drunk drivers (as a friend of ours did last week), and are afraid they will lose their health insurance and are trying to climb out of huge debt….and some of you here are whining about ONE STINKIN’ FOOTBALL GAME??? Who actually has a life here besides me?
6. Nor only did the Fins lose, so did the Titans, the Cardinals, the Bears, the Panthers, and other teams that for some weird reason have been rated higher than Miami this year. Like the Texans. I bet the “experts” are wondering now how they could get this so wrong. A little perspective is in order. Now we all expect Fins to do well this year, and I think they will even though Jake Long sucked and so did Fasano. But besides us, how many expect Miami to do well, more than 9-7? Very very few. Like I said. Miami lost a close one….Texans fans are probably going bonkers by now, getting clobbered by a rookie.
7. Matty had a really good write up. Thanks Matty.
8. The Trifecta, like BB and every other “football genius” out there, has made a mistake or two and will likely make a coupe more. Biggest mistake so far: putting Martin on IR. They will regret it, even if Fasano plays like we expect from now on.
9. Penne was fine…however, one of the “haters” made a good point: offenses are faster now and a QB must have a strong arm. Still, while Henne has a strong arm, he has looked slow in the pocket. I have a funny feeling if Henne was put in there at thsi point, Miami would have other problems they don’t have now with Penne’s “noodle arm”.
10. Simply, the Fins were NOT adequately “up” for the game despite what players might say. How do I know this? turnovers. Teams “ready to play” don’t turn it over, or only once. Four times for this team is ridiculous!
11. For the rest of the year, Sparano’s gonna have to live with Bono’s inability to get the special teams where they need to be. How much you wanna bet Bonomego is fired after this season?
12. There were too many positives (run D, Merling, Sean Smith, Chad’s play under lousy blocking and other hurried conditions, and the fact that the Fins were pretty much in the game until the end, and pass D other than the mighty Gonzo) for m eto think this seaosn is already a washout.
13. Just as he did last year before the game at NE, Sparano is going to light a fire under these guys this week if he hasn’t already, and they WILL beat the Colts. Jake Long has too much talent and smarts to let one game against an outstanding pass rusher with a lot more experience (Abraham) psych him out…I expect him to bounce back.
14. Do you really think Ronnie and few others with expiring contracts are gonna lay down again when they know they need to step it up for the gravy?
15. Do you really think the players love the idea of Sparano chewing them out like he is probably doing now, so much they’ll blow it against Manning and Company this coming Monday night?
16. They simply weren’t prepared. They will be for the Colts.
17. Don’t forget, this team is still rebuilding. We all know they ain’t there yet.

by snorky on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i made it through the 1st few lines

than i had a ADHD moment and walked away

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my hopes and prayers to the

family whose child was hit and to anyone else on this list who is having a tough time of it… i know some have mentioned being pink slipped…

but we all have our crosses to bear and posting on an internet blog certainly is low on the pecking order of life…

but to suggest you are the only one

Who actually has a life here besides me?
because some of us who post ON an internet blog dedicated to the miami dolphins needs to get a life because we want to discuss what went wrong with the team on sunday is what we like to say round here …. throwing rocks at a mirror my friend…

seriously if life is tough round your parts please dont post here… PLEASE ATTEND to those urgent needs, i know i would be.
cook something for the family whose child was hurt, go and volunteer at your nearest vet center, or food kitchen, but what ever you do, don’t tell me how i can have fun or blow off some steam in tough times and suggest that because i have a different outlook than you, somehow you are able to judge the rest of us.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just watched the highlights again and the people claiming Pennington

was responsible for the Fasano fumble because he “locked on” need to recheck their facts. Fasano had the ball for several steps before getting hit.

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by joel311 on Sep 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade ronnie

WTF your crazy

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by civwarbuff on Sep 15, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a signature, not a post.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Sep 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

I can’t believe all these people calling for the switch at QB…Have you seen the same Henne that I’ve seen? He is not the answer at QB.Pennington is still ten times the QB Henne is…Henne sucks!!

by wengman42 on Sep 15, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CP10 is the best QB the Fins have had this entire decade!

Why you guys want him gone, I’ll never understand it. Yes, he doesn’t have the big arm. But, he’s smart, he’s accurate, and he’s a leader. 3 things that Henne hasn’t proven he is. What are you guys gonna say when CP10 is gone and Henne is finally getting his chance and he’s throwing pick 6’s left and right? “we want Pennington back!”. it’ll be too late for that. Until CP10 came along, we haven’t had a decent QB since Marino retired. I was 9! I don’t even bleeping remember! No one was complaining until the Ravens playoff game. Well hate to break it to all of you, but if not for Pennington, there wouldn’t have been no Playoff game. There wouldn’t have been no 11-5 division champs. There wouldn’t have been no Parcells because he would have left once Huiesinga left because we would have been 3-13 with John Bleeping Beck! I want to ride Penningtons back as long as we can. Even if that means 2 or 3 more seasons. Stop hating on the guy. I want Henne to succeed just as much as the next guy, but he’s just not ready to step in and be a star. Why the rush? If he doesn’t pan out, then what?

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Are you crazy ?

With out Pennington there wouldn’t have been a playoff game? WTF?. Didn’t you see how the defense play and held up opponents (houston and kansas), didnt you see how the RBs light it up each week ( not), didnt you see how Bess saved the day?? Nooo of course we could’ve turned this wrecked ship around with out pennington.
Thats to let you know what some “people” around here think.

You my friend are Completely Correct. Thank you

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, we've had a GREAT defense for a decade....

And couldn’t get there…..

CP10 took us to the next step….. in 1 year. Not 3 or 4, or 5…. in 1 year, with a weeks worth of Preparation…

so, JP, is absolutely right.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OBVIOUSLY

I was being sarcastic in favor of CP10.
As brandon london said last year “CP10 was our offense last year”
The man was an offense.

He deserves more than the crap he is getting from a lot of people on this site.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree

he really came thru last year

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by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why did you put people in quotations?

I think they really are human. I just don’t agree with there opinion. Lmao!

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Must be...

I mean we looked wretched against the card’s last season losing 31-10 to start off 0-2.

The defense was terrible, CP completed all of just 10 passes, and neither RIcky or Runny so much as got 30 yards of rushing.

The sky was falling then too I suspect, well, till we put up a 3-burger on NE and beat them by 28 in week 3 :)

by Natalya on Sep 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we better...my friends at school are coming over...so they better win

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by Kdog92 on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Falcons game was not CP10 fault.

If Henne was in there getting pressured like Pennington was (cause our O-line completely sucked last game!) he would have thrown 3, 4, maybe 5 INT’s! You want Henne to step in and look bad? Cause that’s what would have happened. Atleast with CP10 he made all the right throws but 1 which he payed for. Do you guys realize that we could have one that game. If White doesn’t overthrow Ginn that’s a TD. If Fasano doesn’t fumble at the 10 yard line, that’s a TD drive. If the O-line didn’t completely suck, Pennington would never have fumbled that ball and the falcons would never have scored on that drive. We would have won that game. Yes, those are “IF’s”, but I see none of those plays being Penningtons fault.

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

How do you see the Pennington fumble as anybodys fault but his own????

The guy stayed in the pocket way too long. Then when it finally collapsed and he knew the defender was closing on him, he just stood there!! I know the offensive line had a bad game, but that was one of the few times they gave him time to throw. You can’t expect the line to hold their blocks forever.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tge 1st fumble he had the bal for .6 seconds before he got hit.

I know Derek Fisher can make a fade away jumper in that same amount of time but football is different. Lol

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 5:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Henne/Penny

“What happens if Henne comes in to start the final eight games of 2009 and he just stinks it up each and every game? " I agree with Jevant, better we find out this season if Henne can be a real QB. Let’s face it, Pennington is not going to get us to the SB, we paid all this money for this O-line, so its not like throwing Henne to the wolves. If Henne comes in and stinks up the last eight games than all we have lost is one season. If he comes in next year and stinks it up we have lost two. The discovery may be painful, but putting it off until after this years draft, (which has a number of QBs), is not the smart move.

by Fins Fan 4 Life on Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction:

We’ve lost this season….
We’ve lost a quality starter for next season (Pennington)
and there is no Guarantee that we get a good QB in the draft…..

I’d say we have a lot to lose by throwing Henne in too early.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quality starter?

Avg games played for Pennington the year after he plays almost a full season: 7.
TD/INT ratio: 1/1
Sacks per game: 3
W-L: 6-14
If he can make past week 9 or 10 this year, I’ll consider him a quality starter.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was with the Jets. Different team. Differnt stats. The Jets suck.

Look at Farve with the Jets the year after he had the best season of his career.

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

That's hardly an argument to make.

Especially when those sucky Jets were better than the Dolphins. Nor was Favre’s last season with GB the best of his career. Not to mention the guy was playing with a torn bicep muscle, ever try to throw a 30yd strike with a torn muscle? The bottom line is, the Jets were better than us during those years (2002-2007 records: Jets 43-53, Dolphins 39-57) and he still got injured. What’s your excuse for him now?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's no excuse! You want to risk a losing season to see If Henne has the potential to take us to the Super Bowl 3 or 4 years from now.

Pennington is the best QB on our roster at the moment. Point blank period. Henne is simply not ready. Sure you can throw him in there and see what he’s got. But if Penny can’t win with this squad, Henne sure as hell won’t! You want to put him in a situation where he can succeed not fail immediately. Come on now!

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Explain to me again where I said I wanted to replace CP10?

Why do you assume that because I criticize our QB that I want him replaced? All I’m doing is giving you the facts. If you don’t like them, then maybe you should be defending someone with a better track record. That’s not to say he’s not a good QB, when he’s healthy. But a quality starter in my book is someone who plays more than 2 full seasons in a 9 year career.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he play 2 full season with us..

then u will consider him a good qb or a quality qb?

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will consider it...

But unfortunately that will also most likely be his last season for us as well. Look at Kurt Warner, he’s another one who has never played two consecutive 16 game seasons and he’s only played 3 full seasons in 10 years due to injuries. This guy has NFL and SB MVP awards, as well as a SB win, but still is a maybe for the HOF because of his injury prone career. I could understand the optimism if we were talking about someone who was in their 4th or 5th year. But we’re talking about people who are in their 30’s, towards the end of their careers.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this straight.

You are criticizing Pennington for only playing 7 games THIS year, and its week 1?
Obviously your name suits you….. cuz, I don’t know what you are drinking.

Here’s a stat for you….
Average # of games started by Brady after missing 15 games due to knee injury.
1.

E GADS!! BRADY WON’T PLAY THIS SEASON! …please….

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about this stat....

% of times that a team has reached the playoffs when Pennington starts at least 10 games.

  • 100%. *

So we only need him for 10….let him sit the other 6 :) …..“Child Please”

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like that, but wrong.

But a couple problems with your arguments.

1. Pennington has only played 10 or more games in 5 of his 9 seasons.
2. 2003 he played 10 games for the 6-10 Jets, obviously not a playoff team. So it’s more like 80%. Although if you include his 9 game performance in 2007 (1-7 record), that would drop him down to 65%.
3. Avg number of games Brady has missed before knee injury: 0
4. Avg number of games Pennington has missed since he became a starter: 4
5. # of years Brady has played a full 16 game season: 6
6 # of years Pennington has played a full 16 game season: 2

I was simply stating the fact that Pennington has never played 2 full seasons in a row in his entire 9 year career.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, the stat is correct. You are wrong.

Any season Pennington started 10 games, they made the playoffs.

2002 -Started 12 games – Record (9-7) *Clinched Division via Tiebreaker over NE
2003 – Only started 9 games
2004 – Started 13 games – Record (10-6) * Clinched Wildcard
2005 – Only started 3 games
2006 – Started 16 games – Record (10-6) * Clinched Wildcard
2007 – Started 8 Games
2008 – Started 16 games – Record (11-5) * Clinched Division.

By these stats…. your #4, if he misses his average # of games, which is 4. We’ll still make the playoffs. So you prove my point.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so how did he

do in the playoffs those years??

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sadly

happily in my book… he was a jet afterall.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The discussion wasn't how he did afterwards...

But the fact that the team made it there…. So your point is???

Question: You can’t do better than Pennington in the Playoffs…if…..

a) You never make it to the playoffs….
b) You never make it to the playoffs….
c) You never make it to the playoffs….

Remember, when in doubt…always choose C.

point being…..getting there is half the battle. We hadn’t been getting there in HOW long exactly? 1-15 a season earlier, we get CP10, and we go 11-5 on a weaker schedule, and what…WIN the Division….. give it a rest. You have no argument.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no actually my agument is clear

the lame ducker isn’t able to beat playoff teams, and every time the dolphins play a team with a playoff teams defense he stinks… well guess what baltimore had the 3rd or 4th best defense in last years playoffs and look what they did…
atlanta has a pretty good D right now and look what happened…

so my statements stand – if you want to have a team that wins playoff games you can’t have the lame ducker as a QB.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might need to inform these guys then:

They might be interested in hearing all about it:

Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants – SB XXV
Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins – SB XXVI
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens – SB XXXV
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers – SB XXXVII
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears, SB XLI
Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons, SB XXXIII
Neil O’Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers, SB XXX
Stan Humphries, San Diego Chargers SB XXIX

Do you want me to continue? cuz this list is pretty long, and I’m only picking the ones that played in the Superbowl.

I could of course go deeper and pick playoff winning teams, or superbowl QB’s that lost in the superbowl….

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what does this have to do

with pennington not being able to do well in the playoffs?

and on that list… maybe johnson is the only one who had a weaker arm then pennington.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The discussion was about Lame Duck QBs...

not about arm strength…..

Let me help you:

Lame Duck : an elected official still in office but not slated to continue .. OR

more accurately for our purposes: Lame Duck: in the context of a game, is a player who remains in the game but has no chance of winning. …

again…if he has no chance of winning… yet continues to get to the playoffs, and i’ve given you another list of QBs that were “lame ducks” by both definitions… who played and won in the superbowl… what exactly is it you are trying to say? other than your own personal unfounded opinion, that goes against all known and historical data.

Perhaps you’d like to re-translate ancient Egypt? Maybe we missed something in there about tofu ruling the world, and Ra was a lame duck god, who really couldn’t light up the sky…. because Kuk had better defense.

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why must people always do this my egyptian friend.

but i’m an Isis person my self and go with the facts but for the newbie…

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lame%20duck

Main Entry: lame duck
Function: noun
Date: 1761
1 : one that is weak or that falls behind in ability or achievement; especially chiefly British : an ailing company
2 : an elected official or group continuing to hold political office during the period between the election and the inauguration of a successor
3 : one whose position or term of office will soon end

as you will see only #2 deals with elected officials….

so i suggest you reread my posts but i believe i clearly stated so how did the lame ducker do in the playoffs….

to which you replied with a list of bad QB’s who happened to play in the superbowl

and i ask what does this have to do with how the LAME (i’ll go to m-w if you need help) Ducker (you do know football right) did in the playoffs for his tremendous career as a jet.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 16, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are your examples of lame ducks????

Let break this down shall we….

Jeff Hostetler – Had a good arm, had Otis Anderson as a RB, threw passes to Mark Bavaro, and Mark Ingram, and the #2 ranked defense.
Mark Rypien – Had a good arm, Ernest Byner and Gerald Riggs as RB, the best WR trio ever (Monk, Sanders, and Clark), #3 ranked defense in league.
Trent Dilfer – I’ll give you him, but he also had a very good Jamal Lewis at RB, and one of the best defenses ever in the NFL in their prime.
Brad Johnson – Had a good arm, Pittman ran for 124 yds in the SB, Alstott as FB, McCardell and Keyshawn Johnson as WR, and #1 ranked defense.
Rex Grossman – Strong arm, had Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson as RB, Bernard Berrian at WR, Devin Hester returning kicks, #5 ranked defense.
Chris Chandler – probably weakest arm of the bunch, Jamal Anderson as RB, Terence Mathis and Tony Martin as WR, #8 ranked defense (#4 in pts allowed).
Neil O’Donnell – decent arm, Yancy Thigpen as WR, and #3 ranked defense.
Stan Humphries – I’ll also give you this guy as well, but he did have Natrone Means going 1350 yds, Tony Martin as WR, and the #5 ranked scoring offense.

But there are several things that stand out here. I’ll point them out for you….
1. They all had deep threat receivers, and most of these QB’s could actually use them.
2. Almost all of these QB’s had a top ranked defense, or in the case of Humphries, a top ranked offense to get them there.
3. Almost all of them had great running games.

That is Pennington’s problem, he has none of those, and that is what is keeping him from taking us to the promise land.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should be a Buffalo Bills fan.

We can make it to the Super Bowl 4 years in a row!!! Yay!!! Even though we got our asses handed to us year after year. Notice how it got even uglier year after year? I’m sorry, I root for my team to win the Super Bowl. Not to make the playoffs every year just to get our asses handed to us, all so I could say, “at least we made the playoffs”.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're assuming...

That in the 9 games he has 11 games he has left playing for us, by my average, he’ll go at least 10-1? My aren’t we courageous!! Because we both know it’ll take at least 10 wins to get into the playoffs. The only downside to your argument is this is the year Pennington gets injured. You seemed to have disregarded the whole reasoning of my post. So really, with your nice year by year comparison, how does 2009 look based on the past 7? I think I see a pattern, or is it too obvious to be seen with your blinders on?

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say he'd go 10-1... I said History says we'll make the playoffs.

Look, I understand English is a lost art in this country. But if you are going to attempt to have a discussion or a debate with me, I’d recommend staying on point.

As for this being the year Pennington gets injured…. have you seen some injury report that the rest of the world hasn’t? Maybe he does and maybe he doesn’t….either way its a win win…

If he doesn’t get injured, history says we make the playoffs….
If he does get injured, you’ll get to see your precious Henne, and then about 4 weeks after Henne starts, you can start complaining about putting in Pat White…. and the circle continues.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you were an english major.

Are you still not picking up the trend in Pennington’s career? Let me breakdown our argument so that you can understand it yourself. Pennington has never played 2 consecutive years over 10 games, nor has he made the playoffs two years in a row. So that’s too big facts you seem to be overlooking when you say he’ll start 10 games this year. So if I use both those historical facts to back my argument, which I’ve tried, but you seem oblivious to anything but your own drivel.

% of times Pennington has made it to playoffs after making it to the playoffs the previous season: 0

And you are assuming he’ll go at least 10-1, because you said if he starts 10 games the Dolphins will make the playoffs. We are 0-1, he misses an average of 4 games a year. So that means he has 11 games left to get us in to the playoffs. Which I stated would take at least 10 wins. So hw woulf have to go at least 10-1 to meet that goal, and fulfill your unrealistic expectation.

The funniest thing about this whole thing is that you think I don’t like CP10, when I actually do. I know he gives us the best chance to win right now, and I’m not calling for Henne to come in because I know he’s not ready yet. I’m simply stating the facts about CP10’s career.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your arguement is stupid!

Just because he hasn’t yet, doesn’t mean he can’t. Those were injuries. Stuff happens. That doesn’t mean he can’t stay health for 2 straight years. Are you predicting that he’s going to get injured Miss Cleo? You can’t predict injuries, they just happen. It just so happens that his injuries have happened a year after he has a full season and people look into it thinking it’s automatically going to happen. That’s just dumb. This is a pointless arguement.

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you JP...

You are clearly a man of intellect…. I may be fairly new here, but has it always been this hard to talk to these guys? :) Should I post phonetically, or is there a Rosetta Stone for Phinsider fans?

by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't make the stats, I just interpret them.

If you don’t like how the stat line reads, don’t blame me. I realize you can’t predict injuries, but you can identify players who are injury prone. I’m sorry, but when a player has only played 2 full years, in a 9 year career. That means he’s injury prone, ask any football journalist in the world.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats to be said about RB or that RW ..

will star smoking weed!
U can NOT forsee the future, unless the force is with u!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I say he was going to get injured?

No, I simply stated, that due to his past injury history. His probability of getting injured is very high. If put into percentages, it would be 100%. I honestly hope he doesn’t get injured, but I’m not going to expect it either. You could make the same argument about Ronnie Brown, but he’s only got 4 years of reference. Pennington has 9 years. As for Ricky, that comparison is ridiculous and doesn’t even pertain to football.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you honestly believe thar this a Super Bowl squad?

Henne or Penny, this isn’t a Super Bowl team. Let’s make the postseason a couple more times before we start talking Super Bowl. Ya, CP10 won’t get us to the SB, but with Henne, we wouldn’t have even made the playoffs.

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Was Arizona a superbowl contender last year at this time?

For a team that won the division last year, you sure don’t expect much from this team!

by ct1361 on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If you were being realistic...

Then even the playoffs would be out of reach for us. We call what you are as being optimistic.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No optimistic would be asking for a Super Bowl.

I’m simply saying that we are still division champs last time I checked. We won 11 games last season. Yes we have a tougher schedule. So does everyone else in our division. And remember that we play 6 games against the Jets, Pats, and Bills. We went 4-2 against these 3 teams last season. We still decide our own fate. Why would I discount that we can’t do these things again? They have proven to me that CP10 and the rest of the Fins can do it again. Henne hasn’t proven anything. And we don’t need him to prove anything until Pennington indeed does begin to play bad or gets hurt. We don’t need to rush him when there’s a better QB in front of him. Again, it’s just one game. There’s a lot of a games still left to play. Why are you giving up so quickly? Atlanta is a VERY good team. They were the better team Sunday. That doesn’t mean our season is over. You’re being rediculous.

by JP 23 on Sep 16, 2009 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Super Bowl?!?!

That’s called wild exaggerations of our team. Homerism is nice and all, but that’s taking it a bit far. Who says I’m giving up on the team? Did I say I was a realist? I’m an optimist, and believe we’ll compete for the division crown or a wild card spot. But I’m also not so blind as to realize the lack of talent we have offensively.

by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well kind of

any team that has the best receiver in football and a QB that can get him the ball and plays in the NFC has to be considered a contender… even before you put them in the NFC west …..

I guess, all i’m saying is my family ate for a couple of weeks off AZ winning the west.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not so sure about the size thing

I mean, it is what it is, however, back in august I went to see them practice during training camp, and when they finished some of them came over to the stands to sign autographs. Yes, he was not Sir Vincent Rodgers, but he was jacked as hell and overall seemed really strong and buffed for his size, not cornerback strong. In comparison, Brian Hartline, who is supposed to be tough and physical, looked barely any bigger than him, that was a huge surprise, and Brian was nice as hell really really nice. He was basically living the dream! How envious. The one that its not even funny how big he is is Nalbone. He is a monster.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What we need is a true Number 1 WR and for our O-line to play better.

Henne won’t be able to succed either without these two things happening.

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Lmao

by JP 23 on Sep 15, 2009 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree....

A true #1 receiver who is big & strong….fight for the ball in the air…if we ahd that we would open up the running game!
I still say we should have gone after Boldin!

by MassFinFan65 on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forget Boldin, didn't you see Kenny Britt against Pittsburgh

in his first ever NFL game? Wow that kid can play. Would’ve been an awesome complement to Ginn. But well at least Vontae Davis is start… forget it

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginn = Troy Williamson....

He’s not a #1. We don’t need anyone to compliment him.
We need someone to replace him, and move him to #2 or cut bait with the guy.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

We have four guys who are only slot receivers at most:
Ginn – Has not proven himself.Not big.Not strong. A QB who cannot get him the deep ball
Camarillo – Not particulary big or fast.Sure hands
Bess – Perfect for the slot.Sure hands
Hartline – Too early, but we know he’s big or fast

by jjames on Sep 15, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I learned that...

After watching the game twice, you really can’t blame Penne on this game save for the 1 pick. I would like to see any QB stretch the field w/ a 3 step drop and someone in their face. This O-Line (which I’ve been so proud about having) needs to go to the local bar and get in a fight, beat the tar out of someone because they looked like pussies on Sunday. We let a line that averages 290 lbs. push us around. The need to get tough, and maybe Sparano is a little to blame here with his “no full” contact practices, but I guess I’m okay with it because we had no injuries.

I also learned that this Defense is flat out solid. Our first string is stout, and the reserves definitely have a bend but don’t break mentality that most other teams can’t rely on.

I learned that our special teams needs to learn how to block. It’s easy, you put your legs shoulder-width apart, hands in front of you, and then get your hands on their numbers…. (sorry, little angry there)

That’s all for now, but the biggest thing I’m looking forward to on Monday night is how much better we are going to look. Go Phins!

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 15, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This conversation's wearing me out

I say make practice live. That’ll separate those ready to play and those not.

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats a good idea

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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ricky and Ronnie

until Phins get beter at making holes for these 2 i think that Ricky should get more carries. Look at last game Ricks seems to be a bit beter than Ronnie at getting some extra yards with a guy hanging on him trying to bring him down. Ricky is also very good on the outside and has great hands running and will hit a person and keep moving forward. Ronnie is great but idk he goes on cold streeks. What u people think about who should get most carries based on what have seen from theese 2 so far . I say run Ricky run!

by Raiden on Sep 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Henne

I haven’t heard so much that people are calling for Pennington’s benching as much as they would have liked to see Henne come in at that 7 minute mark.

The Pat White thing is what is bothering me the most. I’ll say it and happily eat crow if I’m wrong: Pat White was a bad pick. He is so freaking tiny it’s ridiculous. I’d rather have Troy Smith.

I also learned that every other team in the AFC East has a lot more fight than what the Dolphins showed on Sunday.

On a bright note, the game looked exactly like the Arizona game. Remember how we all settled in for a long one after that game? Let’s see what they do now.

I run a lazy, booze addled & thoroughly unprofessional Dolphins blog: www.thephinisher.com.

by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pat White

What I should of said is that I think Pat White will prove to be a bad pick. Not that he already is. The kid has only played one game. I just think my shiottt detector goes off with him.

I run a lazy, booze addled & thoroughly unprofessional Dolphins blog: www.thephinisher.com.

by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't mess with Peezy....

:p

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They just don't know how to use him...

And it showed with that lame ass run play they tried with him. Watch the Seattle game, and you’ll see the type of play that would be perfect for Pat White (Seattle used Seneca Wallace).

by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Took them a long time to draw that one up for him?

How long has he been in the league?

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 15, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat White has this great move...

He jukes right….then run lefts….then throws the ball to the other team, or somebody imaginary….. cuz the boy can’t throw the ball accurately.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That happen to PW because is was listening to Henne ; )

I was talking about throwing to the other team or an imaginary friend and the Inaccurate thing lol

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you ever watched Pat White play other than...

1 national televised preseason game, and 2 plays in a real game? If that’s all you’ve seen then this conversation is over.

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 15, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you mean what did Pat White do in College...

Then I’ll just stop you right then.

You realize that College teams have usually between 2-4 NFL type talents on their team in a given year…..so……what he did in college really means nothing. He played in a crap division, with teams that didn’t have a lot of NFL talent on them.

He’s small for a NFL QB.
He’s way too inaccurate for an NFL QB

The NFL time after time after time has shown that a Running QB < Pocket Passer
and if you want to argue that, name a Running QB that won a Superbowl, and I’ll spot you Steve Young. Then i’ll list the Pocket QB’s that won, and we’ll compare.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm very very dubious of Pat White as a QB

and panned the pick when it was made.

Even so, it has only been one game folks. If he can’t connect on his passes regularly then by all means, let him have it but for now, it is just one bad game, and 15 more to go.

Lets hope it gets better

by Natalya on Sep 15, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I saw the same...

scattershot performance in the preseason that you guys did.

I didn’t like the pick any more than I liked the Ted GInn pick. Yet they are both on the team so hey, I’m going to hope they prove me wrong and are playmakers.

We might agree the pick was sketchy (pat white) but we can also agree that pat white didn’t lose us the game yesterday. He had tons and tons of help unfortunately.

by Natalya on Sep 15, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree PW didn't lose us the game....

and as a situational player he might have a lot of value.
I just wouldn’t trust him to start.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He just atempted one pass!

If that pass was completed, Ginn will get a TD out of it!
So! Im not gona talk about if, but i will said that that was his 1st NFL throw. Let him play, ONLY if CP10 is not the answer.
Henne have 1 year under his belt and has NOT show anything better

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"If that pass was completed, Ginn will get a TD out of it!"

That is what we are saying…..

For the “Most Accurate College Passer” blah blah….he is HORRIBLY INACCURATE so far in the NFL.

Pat White is inaccurate. IF he was accurate, Ginn would have put 6 on the board….but the pass was nowhere near him….so, in essence, White cost our team 6 points.. :)

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

I dont wana count how many Marino throw to now one ; )

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by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You dare attempt to tarnish the Great One?

You are going to compare Pat White to Dan Marino?

I’m off to get a shot of 151, and do an 8 ball of some prostitutes backside while shooting heroin…… Maybe your comment will make sense.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

U R judging PW because of 1 silly throw!!

If Marino, Went been a rookie, miss his target in his 1ST THROW, then he would be bench 4 life. Thats what u r saying, that all.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm Judging PW on....

4 Preseason games, throwing against 2nd and 3rd string Defenders, and 1 Regular Season Game.

I’m also judging PW based on blogs, reports, and beat writers that have written about his accuracy since the day he walked into the Dolphins practice facility. I’m going to go out on a limb…and say that if, everyone that covers the dolphins for a living…the fans that attend the practices, the fans that watched the preseason games, and the fans worldwide that watched the regular season game….If they all say he’s having HORRIBLE accuracy issues. Well, gosh darn it, they are probably right…

unless its a conspiracy…and then I’d get my aluminum foil hat

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that is what u r implying.

Then WHY MARINO didnt got pick earlier? or better yet, not 1st QB drafted?
Blogs, repots, beat writer, etc, last year told everyone, even with the help of God, that we going to be the laughting stook of the NFL again. If u want to go trhat way, then we r done.
What was the name of the other QB drafted after P Manning?, he was suppose to be almost as PM( Collin?), and that was what the Blogs, Reports, beat writer, ect wrote.
This is an end road, i saw something on the kid while u didnt.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

o come on

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does mean something when you are...

A) Arguably the most accurate passer to come out of college over a 4 year span…
B) The kid has a cannon

Anyways, Pat White’s skill sets may take a while to figure out but once he gets used to the speed of the game, accuracy will not be his problem. I love the Pat White pick, and right now I’d take him over Henne any day.

Every prolific quarterback, that sits in the pocket, and won a Superbowl has had..
A) had huge O-Line
B) At least 1 if not 2 1000 yd recievers
C) 1000 yd rusher

Where do we stand? That’s why we need someone who can move…

If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....

by Heater OsE on Sep 15, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an interesting observation...

in light of the fact that the ’08 champs had:

a so-so (at best) offensive line
1 (barely) 1000 yd receiver
0 1000 yd rushers

I’m not sold on Henne as some savior or messiah – he’s proven nothing but I’ll take him any day over Pat White as a starting QB.

Pat White may play a part as a wildcat-slash player and an important one, but who sees him as starting material?

by Natalya on Sep 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont C him as an Starting mats THIS YEAR!!

But i could bet that he will be better than Henne NEXT year

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

me too, he just has to get the timing and all the NFL stuff-ready down.

He is a natural baller and a fantastic leader. There is a reason he is the only player in history to win 4 bowl games.
Its only a matter of time before he lights it up in a game out of this WildPat package and people start asking for him.
Mark my words.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason he won 4 bowl games is simple....

Fact: No NFL Scout had his draft stock very high, so he stayed in College trying to drive it up…

When we drafted him, it was even considered a reach….

Even if he sorts out the accuracy issues, and those are big issues, he’s ridiculously small, and would very rarely last a full season. The DE’s would eat him alive.

by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they GET him ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know about the size thing

I mean, it is what it is, however, back in august I went to see them practice during training camp, and when they finished some of them came over to the stands to sign autographs. Yes, he was not Sir Vincent Rodgers, but he was jacked as hell and overall seemed really strong and buffed for his size, not cornerback strong. In comparison, Brian Hartline, who is supposed to be tough and physical, looked barely any bigger than him, that was a huge surprise, and Brian was nice as hell really really nice. He was basically living the dream! How envious. The one that its not even funny how big he is is Nalbone. He is a monster.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give Pat White some Steroids....

That will beef him up for the NFL!

by MassFinFan65 on Sep 15, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i like it!

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 15, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or morph pennington's game management and accuracy

with white’s speed and agility, with henne’s laser arm and we got ourselves a nice franchise QB called Whitepenninghenne

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by el presidente 00 on Sep 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its early to give on on anyone or anything yet

and long will only get better playin against these top guys throughout the year.
ricky looked alot better than ronnie
pat white had e at the edge of my seat on that throw to ginn
this team is exciting, and when all four wheels start rolling, this is one of the best teams in the NFL.

El Peezy... "the Calvin Johnson of rookies.. instant impact" -Prime Time
"el peezy ['the real deal'] strikes fear in opponent bloggers hearts" -finsx
"El Peezy is a man of the people...Don’t hate the player – hate the game." -KC

by el presidente 00 on Sep 15, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AMEN BROTHA!!

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by Aleta on Sep 15, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Post Game Comments

I reviewed a few of the Stats post game. One other fan picked up on it as well. CP10’s completion rate was 72% !! That is amazing considering the pounding he took: 4 sacks, god knows how many hurries you name it – our yards per carry were 4.5 as well. I think our OLine showed up with no respect for the Atlanta Defense. What the Falcons lacked in the Secondary was made up by the DL and LBs – CH07 couldn’t have hit the WRs deep with that protection !!

If Tony S fixes the OL then our problems are solved. The Coaching Staff needs to be held accountable for that lack of respect shown the Atlanta D, and I was not happy with the game plan – why throw in the Pat White Experiment – Dudes we were fighting for our lives out there !! If Fasano doesn’t fumble on the Falcons’ 10 yard line it would have been a totally different game !!

We are going to play every game close with the competition we face on a weekly basis so the OL better learn to Run Block quickly because that adds up to success in the NFL !!

GO DOLPHINS !!! RUN RICKY RUN !!! and, KICK THE DOLTS IN THE NADS !!!

Lets Kick Butt Dolphins!!

by BurlyDude72 on Sep 15, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good comment,

One interesting thought, I love ( not sarcastically but actually LOVE) how people are still into Ricky. God, seeing that man run back in the day was something else. Today you hear about A Peterson and it is as if they were talking about someone out of this world. We had that, we had adrian peterson, but cooler because of the hair.
Good thing he is still around though. At least he got to taste some of the good stuff. Good for him. Plus, the man can still run.

Yes, you mention something some people around here have said before. There is no physical concrete explanation for the O line’s play. This is got to be something intangible, not their actual ability to play football. There is just no way this is going to be it. This was either lack of fire, or too much relaxation or bad preparation or whatever.
This is going to be a good physical unit and period.

As for Pennington, this coming from a big fan of his, I think the completion percentage shows nothing more that he is a guy that not under the worst circumstances will just break down and go all Jake Delhomme on us (yes he did have an interception but it wasn’t because of pressure or anything like that). And that’s good, I was just watching an AJ Feeley reel when he was a Dolphin and WOW just wow.
Pennington will come through don’t worry. He won’t be finding Ted Ginn for 60 yard passes but he will do his thing. (can anyone actually find Ted Ginn?)

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matty, Matty, Matty

i’m not sure i’m going to let you on the Henne bandwagon…. :)

but

What happens if Henne comes in to start the final eight games of 2009 and he just stinks it up each and every game? Just something to think about, that’s all.

what happens if he starts the first 8 games of 2010 and stinks it up each and every game (i believe that’s calling becking it up, but i could be wrong) then where are you? wouldn’t you rather have some idea now if he can be an NFL QB while the team is still rebuilding… why goof up 2 seasons…

and why ruin a season having your QB take his lumps when the rest of the team is ready.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In principle you are correct. I too believe that

we need a long term solution at the QB position. Also that Henne needs time under center in real games to make progress in his development. However I dont see the rush in bringing him in because of a couple of reasons-
1- Henne is not ready- The guy just stunk it up real bad during the off season. It is clear that he can still use some time on the bench, watching tape of real game situations, really just being a student of the game. All those tendencies he showed during the pre season, like you have said before can not be corrected 100% off the field, but they can be minimized if he becomes a true student of the game and gets more acquainted with his teammates and overall with everything that goes on in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers held the clipboard for 3 full seasons before being a starter and look at him now. Bottom line, Henne can use all the grooming he can get, and then some more.

2- Yes, this franchise its looking towards the future, but along the way something came up and we rode it till it took us to the playoffs. This players want to win now and they already proved they can. Yes, the future is there and nobody wants to mess with it, but why not keep riding this Cinderella story till it lasts ?

3- Veterans want to win- As much as we as fans want to dismiss this season or even last season as garbage time in favor of a successful rebuilding process, most of the players not only want to win now, but they believe they can do it. Just look at Joey Porter , Jason Taylor , Will Allen Yeremiah Bell or Jason Ferguson go, those guys won’t see the glory days 3 or 4 years from now. This coaching staff owes them putting the best product on the field. That right now is not a 2nd year quarterback.

4- I understand your urgency. This team will be very very good soon. But how soon? We’ve got an O-Line that is playing together for the first time ever, a franchise LT who still seems too immature nfl wise, we got two rookie cornerbacks, one of them who can’t even get on the field let alone begin to shorten his learning curve. We don’t even have a young NT waiting on line to replace Jason Ferguson. The young safety Clemons is buried in the depth chart in favor of Yeremiah Bell. Hell, our brand new 3rd round pick isn’t even getting dressed for game day. Not to say we still have to go out there and get ourselves a true number one receiver (no ginn wont ever be one, kenny britt right now is two times the receiver ginn will ever be). So there, we are still way way way too young.

So whats the rush? Lets enjoy what we have right now, the future will take care of itself.

by MauMontaV5 on Sep 15, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what about it? "says sam with arms crossed"

Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.

by samdaman on Sep 16, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dolphins vs Atlanta

Went to the game and was thtouroughly convinced somone was playing a joke Phins lackluster play had everyone scratching there head. That said after what we have been through in the past this is just a bad week of football dolping offensive line in going to step up this week…..It has to, when is the last time a “Tuna” led team looked like that twice in a row?

by WoodDawg on Sep 16, 2009 8:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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