Turnovers doom Dolphins as Fins fall in Atlanta
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 12:13 AM EDT
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In what seems like it's becoming a yearly tradition, the Miami Dolphins lost yet another season-opening game on Sunday. The Atlanta Falcons beat the Dolphins in every phase of the game - offense, defense, and special teams. And there's plenty of blame to go around for this ugly 19-7 loss.
What makes this loss especially tough to swallow, of course, is how uncharacteristic the offense performed. Four turnovers? Really? And Anthony Fasano, as sure-handed as they come at the tight end position in 2008, losing two fumbles? No team can overcome these miscues - let alone one that isn't exactly explosive on offense.
Wasn't the offensive line supposed to be a strength of this team?
The Dolphins have invested $70+ million in guaranteed money into this offensive line. This unit was supposed to be one of the strong points of this team. But their play on Sunday was downright offensive. And while it's only one game, you can't help but wonder if this regime's decisions on the personnel of the offensive line were the right ones.
It's not like this offensive line is made up of a bunch of players left over from the previous regime. Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and company hand-picked this group. They drafted Jake Long first overall and made him the highest paid offensive linemen in the league. They signed Justin Smiley and Jake Grove to big contracts to bring them to Miami. They re-signed Vernon Carey to a hefty contract this past offseason.
Yet all these decisions and all that guaranteed money means nothing once these players take the field for a game. On Sunday, we saw Jake Long get beat over and over. We saw Vernon Carey also get beat for QB hurries and sacks. And we saw very little push up front when the Dolphins tried to run the football. On most of the backs' 19 carries, there was no hole to run through - not even a little crease. And we know that this is not an offense that can rely on passing the football time and time again. To be honest, though, I'm not sure what concerns me more. Is it the inability to open any running lanes for their running backs? Or is it their inability to keep the quarterback upright?
Key stat: the offensive line surrendered four sacks, four additional QB hits, and 13 total hurries. How can you expect any quarterback to do much of anything when he's under that kind of pressure?
Too many big plays surrendered through the air
On the surface, giving up less than 230 yards passing and 6.4 yards per attempt isn't a bad thing. But it's not about the sum - it's about individual moments. For example, on Atlanta's first touchdown drive - a drive that began at their own 11 yard line - the Falcons were 2/2 on 3rd downs. The first was a 14 yard completion to Roddy White and 3rd & 11. The other was a 15 yard completion to Tony Gonzalez on 3rd & 8. Those kinds of plays kill you in the course of a game. What good is it putting your opponent in a 3rd & long situation if you just fold like a cheap suit when it matters most?
Of course, it wasn't all bad defending the pass. Here's a nice little stat: the Dolphins held Atlanta's receivers to just 83 yards receiving in the entire game. That means it wasn't necessarily the cornerbacks who were getting beat. Sure, there were a couple of throws that Matt Ryan missed when receivers were open. But we can play the "what if" game all day long if we really wanted - both good and bad. But in general, the cornerbacks played fairly well. Sean Smith had a solid rookie debut, deflecting away two passes. Will Allen, outside of a pass interference penalty in which he got to the intended receiver a second too early (Atlanta didn't score on that possession anyway), also played well.
But it was the linebackers and safeties - those responsible for covering Tony Gonzalez and the running backs - that struggled all game. But even so, regarding Gonzalez in particular, there were two catches by him where the defender (Gibril Wilson, if I recall correctly) had perfect coverage but the pass was still completed. You can just chalk that up to Gonzalez being a great player and making great individual efforts.
All in all, let's be fair here about the defense. The Falcons had 11 possessions. Of those 11, seven of them saw the Falcons gain 20 yards or less. And only two possessions saw the Falcons gain over 45 yards. So I guess we shouldn't really kill the defense here. Would it have been nice to force a turnover or get more pressure on the quarterback? Of course. But it is what it is. The defense certainly did not lose this football game for Miami.
Don't make this a quarterback debate
Yes - the blame for this loss is squarely on the offense. But let's not make this a quarterback issue. Could Chad Pennington have played better? Of course. But it simply doesn't matter who the quarterback is when he's under he's hurried 13 times on just 33 drop backs.
Would I have liked to see Chad Henne get some reps late in the game? Sure. It might have been a good idea to put in Henne with 7:30 left and the team trailing by 19. But I can understand why the coaching staff didn't make the move. Pennington is still the offensive leader of this team - both on the field and in the locker room. So it's hard to take him out - and essentially make it look like you are blaming CP for this loss. In reality, maybe Tony Sparano should have replaced his entire starting offensive line. But I think the bigger reason why a switch wasn't made was to get CP more snaps with the starters in hopes of at least getting in some work and finding some kind of rhythm that they can build on heading into week two. That and the need to not get shut out to begin a season.
But regardless of how you feel about this topic, let's not make this another tired "CP vs Henne" debate. The bottom line is I'm just too pissed about the loss. No need to start another worthless, tired debate.
TURNING POINT OF THE GAME
This will be a new weekly feature of these post-game recaps. Sunday's turning point of the game was, without question, Anthony Fasano's first fumble. The game was a 7-0 game and the Dolphins had moved into the redzone with two minutes to go in the half. At worst, the Dolphins head into halftime trailing 7-3. But a 7-7 tie was a real possibility. Then Fasano takes that big hit from Mike Peterson. The fumble is taken back to Miami's 31 yard line. The Falcons kick a FG and what could have been a 7-7 game at the half was instead a 10-0 Atlanta lead.
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
In another new weekly feature, I highlight a Dolphin who made some kind of bonehead mistake. On Sunday, this "honor" goes to Brian Hartline. It was 10-0 Falcons in the third quarter. The Dolphins, though, were driving and had the ball 2nd & 9 at Atlanta's 37 yard line. This is when Hartline decides to essentially block the cornerback covering him 10 yards down the field...on a passing play...and then clearly push off when he broke to the sideline to make an eight yard reception. It was an easy pass interference call for the ref. And that put the Dolphins in a 2nd & 19 hole - with the next play being Pennington's interception.
QUICK HITS
Other observations from Sunday's loss:
- The blocking on kick and punt returns by the Dolphins was just terrible. It wouldn't have mattered if Usain Bolt was back there returning kicks. Just awful.
- I like the creativity in the play-calling. The pitch to Ronnie Brown, throwback to Pennington, and completion to Joey Haynos was well designed and executed. I also liked seeing Pat White out there. Nothing really materialized from it. But if White throws that ball 5 yards shorter, Ted Ginn catches it for a touchdown. If nothing else, just more opposing defenses have to worry about in practice in the week leading up to facing the Dolphins.
- Greg Camarillo can indeed catch passes with his legs/butt. Good for him. And great job by the coaching staff to recognize that and challenge the play.
- Who would have thought the Dolphins would hold Michael Turner to just 65 yards on the ground and less than 3 yards per carry? Terrific performance against the run. Hopefully this becomes a theme in 2009. If the Dolphins can hold opposing offenses to under 70 yards rushing, they will have a chance to win a lot of games - assuming the offense doesn't cough up the ball four times.
- Phillip Merling really came to play. He should have been credited with a sack. He also had a tackle for a loss. And he just generally looked like a force along the defensive line. I hope that's another sign of things to come from this young kid.
- Jason Taylor picked up a sack and a tackle for a loss. That's great and all. But he and Joey Porter were both invisible too often on Sunday.
- Davone Bess can catch the football, huh? He just always seems to get open more often than not. Unfortunately, he needs to produce more yards on those receptions. And the receivers as a whole must play better. It's hard to tell during the broadcast if receivers are open or not down the field. So I don't want to criticize them too much. But some big plays would be nice from time to time.
FINAL THOUGHT
It was ugly and the Dolphins are 0-1 with Indy coming to town next Monday night. Things don't particularly look good right now. But it's very early and there were some positives. Let's see how they do in coming back from this game before we declare that the season is over. I trust this coaching staff - something I haven't been able to do too much of in recent years. So let's see just where this ride takes us from here before we hit the panic button and jump off the bandwagon.
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Sean Smith and W Allen
Idk they both didnt look to me. Allen seemed to be involved in a lot of Atl’s 3rd down conversions and Smith should of gave up a 2 TDs so I cant say they were solid just becasue they got lucky. I taped the game ill watch again to make sure though. They werent to enthused about tackling either.
by okokokaay on Sep 14, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
near the end of the game our tackling got weak...
but after that drive they woke back up. Someone told them everyone was counting on them to hold Atlanta back still, if not for the win but for pride.
I was pretty satisfied with our defense and will continue to boast it all week as I have today. I do admit it sucked watching Porter get blocked by a tight end though… lol.
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allen has never looked great to me
He didn’t play well yesterday!
GEtSICK 4 JC
by GEtSICK13 on Sep 14, 2009 9:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Allen was targeted more times than Smith...
Agree on the lucky statement. Smith played fairly OK to be a rookie. I expected way more from Allen.
by Mexican_ on Sep 14, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was crap
I watched the game and here is what I saw. The O line got manhandled and pushed around like they were little girls. The birds were hitting us a full speed and blowing the ball out of our hands. They had enthusiasm, we walked around expecting theings to fall in our lap. It really looked like men playing with boys. Crowder and Porter were silent. Will Allen was a target and got burnt. We missed easy tackles.We made costly penalties negating first downs and touch downs. What the hell are doing with Pat White out there in a game we had no teeth in and behing the whole time ?????? COME ON ! However, we did stop the run, thats about all I saw. OH Yea, our kick returners are basicly pussies and got thrown around like rag dolls, literlay.
by jnitro on Sep 14, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you say anything bad about our corners when they only gave up 80 yards passing?
It was the LBs and safeties to blame – particularly the players responsible for covering Gonzalez.
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have been saying all along, I am not confident in our Safeties in coverage.
they are great in run support. I will give them a little slack because of Gonzo.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “What Were You Thinking?” aimed at Hartline: He wasn’t trying to push the guy out of the way, he didn’t push off, he was pretending to be block.
by J B on Sep 14, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which is why Pennington was so mad at the call
by J B on Sep 14, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you cant pretend to block on a passing play
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK but I don’t think it was enough to be designated a “What Were You Thinking?”
by J B on Sep 14, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me either.. Id much rather have Jake long in the "what were you thinking" hole here..
What was he thinking when he got blasted onto his big ass ? He obviously was not thinking about the game
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup we lost the first couple of games last year and everything turned out ok
Yes, Tony should had put in Henne in 4th. No questions asked. I agree with you Matty
But I think the bigger reason why a switch wasn’t made was to get CP more snaps with the starters
I’m not saying Henne should be the starter or anything next week (get back to me around the bye), but it wouldn’t had hurt us anymore than it did to get him some playing time.
The O-line was like wet paper. I got the play of Long being pushed on his @ss engraved in my mind.
Hartline, no comment.
Fasano, you should have the football taped to you hands until next Sunday. If at anytime you are found without it, everyone on the team should be able to give you a swift kick in the @ss….Now we know why we got 4 TEs.
Sad thing about it is, this game should’ve been a blowout. Ryan was missing alot of wide open receivers early.
All that being said, if we’re gonna lose a game, might was well be a nonconference, away game.
Peace.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this pretty much sums up our current situation after this game
Instead of focusing on one aspect of the game – say, bashing Pennignton or Fasasno- you are basically saying : This team is not as good as we thought it was, this team is still very young, we are not ready to go face to face with the big boys. All in all we are not there quite yet and we have lots of room for some serious improvement.
The thing that saddens me is not only the helpless and sad tone of your comment but how right it is.
This was a truly mature and objective comment. I had been waiting to see one all afternoon.
Good job
by MauMontaV5 on Sep 14, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding...
Matty nailed it right on when he said our defense played amazing. Sean Smith did fall for some jukes causing some wide open receivers… but those same moves also are what created the mistiming of Matt Ryan’s throws.
Deep passes are far from guaranteed and require a lot of practice getting the timing right. That terrible year where the patriots didn’t lose a a game we watched Brady to Moss long balls every game. Near the end of the season people took it away in favor of leaving Wes open. They stopped practicing it and when they tried to go back to it in the Super Bowl we watched Brady overthrow all of them.
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
and what about Vontae Davis… definitely a guy who played better in a real game than he did preseason am I rite???
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is talking to you Neo, go get him
by MauMontaV5 on Sep 14, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah actually I apologize for the unclarity but I was referring to when you talked down the phins as a team not ready to contend for the season
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming our defense only gets better
We’ll see more consistency at run stopping (which is great for those goal line moments), better pass protection… eventually Sean Smith is going to become an interception monster and after today’s game I’m willing to bet we see some more of Vontae Davis playing some aggressive coverage.
The point is defense can carry a team. Anyone remember Rex Grossman’s appearance for the Super Bowl?
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I see where you are going
Haha Im not talking down the Phins. I see you joined TP this summer so let me explain. For the last year or so, no even more time, since Parcells and Sparano came to Miami we have been eagerly talking about a “rebuilding project”, a 3 year effort during which we would have fantastic drafts and build the team inside out. Get young and get tough. We all agreed that for the first 3 years we wouldnt even look at the W & L column, that would come later on. This years would provide not only depth and young studs at the most important positions on both offense and defense, but priceless experience for these guys to mature not to mention this young coaching staff. However, last year it all took a 180ª turn. We started to win and started to believe. I even remember how the playoffs where referred to as the “P” word. Then a great season unfolded and we started to dream about winning now but along that process we kind of forgot about the rebuilding process. What Im saying and what I meant in that comment for Neo is that Now is time to remember we are still toddlers in NFL years and have a long way to go, which is good and promising. Today there was some negativity related to the team and specifically on some players but I say lets not give up just yet, there is a long way to go before this cindirella story comes to and end.
by MauMontaV5 on Sep 14, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is when I WENT ALL IN FOR THE TP
Some good shit in those days.
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 14, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neo, i'm surprised you aren't all over the Long v. Ryan thing
=)
I was thinking it during the game.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking it during the game.
I try not to think about it.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What hurts the most reading this is the realization that
out of the four turn overs assuming 2 of them resulted in a scoring drive for the phins (which one we know for sure would’ve been) we win the game.
It’s only game one, hopefully we reclaim our identity
by metalhead86 on Sep 14, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said this in another thread but
Atlanta is a very good team, probably a playoff team, im not saying we are not a playoff team but Atlanta is very good especially at home. I thing this whole game can be boiled down to three MAJOR POINTS
1) The offensive line sucked and seeing as our Head Coach’s specialty is the O-Line i was very surprised in their performance. Saying that, i think TS will be yelling in the O-Line’s ears all week. If the O-Line would have simply gave CP10 more time then i think we could have been in a lot better shape
2) Fasano ’s turnovers, as Matty mentioned if Fasano does not fumble near the end of the half its an entirely different football game. The offense is in rhythm and we were at like the 10 yard line. As we were just starting to turn things around a fumble sets even further back going into half time
3) Our defense on Tony Gonzalez, if you look at the defense as a whole we did 2 out of the 3 things we needed to do to win. We stopped the run game and we pretty much shut down their wideouts. If Bell and some of our LBs dont get beat by Gonzo then we would have a shutdown defensive day. This just goes to show you Atlanta is a force to be reckoned with on offense.
Looking Ahead
Indy only put up 14pts against Jacksonville, the lose their number 2 wideout. I think our defense can put up the same performance as Jacksonville and assuming we can hold Manning to just 14 then i say we win. Our offense will bounce back at home and the O-Line will play much better after hearing it from TS all week. I say we win in a close game against Indy at home on Monday Night.
by jazztrumpeter89 on Sep 14, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couple of quick hits
don’t you have to say the coaching staff had a bad day…
1st off — why hasn’t there been a change at ST…. they’ve pretty much stunk on ST since coach bono came… so should we be surprised that they still do STUPID things.
2nd off – isn’t John Abraham one of the best DE/Pass rushers in football… and don’t you have to have a plan to neutralize him? seriously… i know you expect your LT to be able to handle everyone but when he doesn’t don’t you have to make a couple schematic changes to deal with it?
Hey everyone – the secondary is going to struggle for a few games people …. what part of making all those changes back there makes everyone expect perfect coverage… it takes practice, experience, and communication to be a cohesive unit….
aint gonna happen with the preseason alone…. the next 2 weeks will be UGLY folks…. take the over on monday…. i know i will.
Why does everyone treatpulling penne a negative…. seriously even his supporters must admit he is a frail guy and leaving him in to suffoer more of a beating is just asking for trouble…. and i don’t see how getting Hennne some work in garbage time is going to make anyone doubt who the starter will be on monday night…. in fact Sparano should be taken to task on this point – since he state that not getting henne more work last season was one of the failures last year and he intended to rectify it this year…. well if down 19 with 7:30 left sounds like a missed opportunity…. and if it isn’t … then someone please explain to me when is a good time to put henne in.
finally…. 3rd down effecencies was a point of emphasis from sparno this year … and i have to wonder if the QB attended those meetings…. cause check downs may help you go21-for 27 and pump up the QB rating but 5-12 isn’t exactly great.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 14, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said on all points
I was wondering why you don’t have help for Long also. It almost seemed like the coaching staff is determined to make him “learn his lesson the hard way”. But when he struggles that consistently, you at least have to have a back in there to chip. unfortunately, the line problems went way beyond Long this week.
And I just want you to know… I see what you did there. Clever, turning the “noodle-arm” argument into a humanitarian issue.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
Clever, turning the "noodle-arm" argument into a humanitarian issue.
i really do think the coaching staff is getting some sort of free pass on this, they are giving us the lip service treatment when it comes to henne, but when you examine reality it doesn’t match their rhetoric…
and finally i’ll have to say this carefully, but they have chosen to go with pennington as their starting QB while they claim that Henne is taking over soon, and like any other time when the game is lost (at least with realistice expectations) you pull your most valuable players and fight another day, and get your young guys some real PT because they are the future right?
With that in mind are they reallying doing all they can to develop and prepare Henne for that change, and wasn’t this a missed opportunity aka a big mistake? or are they really afraid of henne coming in and doing well against a prevent and creating a backlash against the lame duck starter?
and humanitarian or not, the arguement stands do you really want to subject your fragile QB to additional beating at the end of game that for all purpose youhave lost.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 14, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe we can trade CP and Henne for Brady?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooooooooo, you started a fight..........
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just doin my job, ma'am.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooooooo, a come on...
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by Alpha6 on Sep 15, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then trade CP, Henne & pat white for Favre!
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by PhinsTifosi on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the coaching staff considers Henne to be the answer.
A la Pat White actually getting snaps under center. Pat’s two plays looked promising.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Sep 14, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't agree...
Tired of seeing Pennington dink and dunk with no threat of a vertical passing game. This whole attitude of kissing Penningtons ass cause he led us to the playoffs last year is nuts. Tired of watching boring offensive football, win or lose.
by Phishenstein on Sep 14, 2009 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go watch t he college kiddies play,then.
You probably thought those tear away jersey’s made for a better game.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
by Tunaflipper on Sep 14, 2009 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't pull the 2nd place MVP candidate.......
You just don’t. Even when they struggle, because you expect them to climb out of it, you throw your support behind them….the game wasn’t 35-3 or some massive blowout. Then maybe you do put Henne in for a couple minutes….but pulling Pennington would be akin to pulling AP and putting in Chester Taylor because AP had only run for 50 yards thru 3 quarters…..
It doesn’t make sense. Hell if Pennington can get us to the playoffs again with a better than 8-8 record, count me as one of the guys who says RE-SIGN him, and let Henne learn the way of Aaron Rodgers.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahah
but they do pulll AP, and frequently because they want to keep him fresh and healthy….
and since when does what some fish wraps vote mean anything on a football field.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 14, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're reaching..... and your signature shows your true colors.
Nice to meet you “Next Best Thing” Guy.
by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look my friend
i’ve been around here for a long time, and i’m pretty sure everyone who has been around here some time knows i’ve been saying the lame ducker is a mistake and i’ll link you to some posts if you doubt it…
that said the lame ducker is the starting QB and if you believe he is capable of leading the team to the superbowl, I don’t, you have to ensure that he stays healthy and fresh and running him out during garbage time does neither…
on top of that you have an admin that has repeatedly said that they NEED to get Henne actual game experience this year and this obviously was a situation where they could have gotten him PT.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate you've been here a long time.
But it doesn’t make you right.
Henne will get his game time… he just doesn’t deserve to be starting.
If Pennington takes us to the Playoffs again, don’t be surprised to see the Front Office extend him again, unless Henne shows he’s the 2nd coming of Dan Marino, which looking at his college win record, says otherwise.
He’ll get his PT this year…. I have no doubt. But I don’t see 12 point game as being out of reach, not even with 4 minutes to go. 1 TD, and a defensive stand puts you right back into the game. Pennington gave us the best chance to do that.
by Fr8Train on Sep 16, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that...
Pennington has about 8 games or so to be entrenched as the starter going forward. If he’s not at least 4-4 then I think he’ll get pulled. Right now this is still Pennington’s team so there is no discussion there. I also don’t want to defend him either because he was terrible yesterday.
Merling was a bad-ass out there. He should be the starter, period.
Also, that call on Hartline was B.S.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 14, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking here...
And I think you’re right on what might happen if things continue like yesterday.
And what was up with that drop-back and throw it into the ground shit he did?
By the fourth game, Merling may indeed be starting…
Well said..!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Chalk this one up on the “should have won column” Atlanta didn’t beat us we beat us. 4 turnovers? I wish Atl had shut us out for that. Awful O-line play especially Long and Carey. I didn’t like the Carey’s resigning and was…um is hoping he would prove me wrong. What the hell’s up with Long? How dos someone drop a man of his size and shape on a bull rush? pathetic. Also Smith got lucky but it should come to no surprise the rook got beat a couple of times. I wish the cameras would pan down the field time to time to see if the receivers were getting open or not. Our D played amazing for the most part and kept us in the game. How many drives did Atl have starting in our territory? at least 5. But the offense stop playing in the 4th quarter. We were down by three scores and they were taking there sweet time. That pissed me off more than anything. Do they know what a hurry up offense is?
by 54 on Sep 14, 2009 3:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone at the game?
ok dont want to jump into conclusions but was anyone at the game? because what i saw at the broadcast was at times pennington being too slow at the release and decision making and when he does release he just dumps it at the checkdowns even if we needed 8+ yards to go. he would just pass it to williams or brown for that matter and get like 2 yards or worse lose yardage. What was the problem was it the receivers not getting any separation or him being just too slow for the release. He barely threw the ball deep and thats why the defense just kept keying on the short passes.
or was it a combination of his slowness and the inability of the OL to give him more time needed than usual?
this game was ugly and im hoping they correct it next week because manning wont be missing wrs like ryan did and if the colts get ahead way early it could be a long game again. On a side note i love the new wrinkles of the wild cat.
by dolphin23 on Sep 14, 2009 4:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One Game.
A bad one albeit, but preseason forecasted as such. Our defense was strong, our offense, notsomuch. No gellin’.
Four turnovers and only 19 points to show for it. Shoulda been 26. Thanks you Coach Smith for the knee at 2 minutes…
Gonzales passed 11,000 career yards during the game -what’s that tell ya?
Good captains always abandon ship in the first squall. Put Henne in? May as well just announce to the league, “Gee, I’m unsure. I don’t know what to do.”
Does our O line practice with game day talent? Or is it theory class all week?
Penne had time, sometimes, but where where his receivers?
Thanks Ricky for making plays.
btw, Atlanta fans were pretty alright (around me, anyway) but watching a game in a dome SUCKS!
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
by Tunaflipper on Sep 14, 2009 4:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And you can thank me for being upright & stoic (but not the typos) here.
It was my first Miami game….
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
by Tunaflipper on Sep 14, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your 15 minutes of fame are up !
not going to gloat too much, but I think I told you so last season when Pennington was doing great, he’d only have one good year.
yeah, he might have some good games this year too, but Noodle-arm is back, and he’ll kill you this year….
His balls have absolutely no zipp what so ever !
by Jarlsberg on Sep 14, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, you may be right...
His balls have absolutely no zipp what so ever !
… neither do his passes
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
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by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very ugly game....
We better improve within the next week…or we’ll be embaressed on MNF.
Our defense was good against the run…that’s the only thing I can think of….
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by Kdog92 on Sep 14, 2009 5:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i didnt get to see this game
except for what they showed on the new NFL redzone channel and it wasnt much… but i got to see the 1st Fasano fumble and Pennington throw that pick on 2nd n long after the pass interference stalled another drive. Just an unlucky game overall the way things seem to break for us. Total yards were about the same and I thought our running game/run D was superior, which on the road is impressive. We’re just not built to play from behind thats very clear.. not until we have a stronger armed QB and more speed at WR outside of teddy
by YatilGinnJr on Sep 14, 2009 5:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NFL's Top 5 catches:
#1…Greg Camarillo
HELLZ YEAH!!!
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by Kdog92 on Sep 14, 2009 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
highlight of my week
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Defense will only get better but
I am tired of the defense carrying our team….been doing that for too many years….our QB till completed 72% of his passes under the pressure he was under….CP is our QB this year….the offensive line sucked Sunday plain & simple….the offense will see no sense of balance with a bad line…we need to be able to run or we will will not win many games palin and simple….If the offense line plays up to their potential…everything will be different. Tony S will kick some butts this week!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 14, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CP 10 NEEDS T GO
This offense is going no where under CP. 5 yard out’s all day long will make this team go straight to 1-15 again. Are defense prepares for,brady,manning,big ben,by watching film for hours. Our oppenets go in and have a bagel to prepare for CP. It is time to start either White or Henne.
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Have a bagel? LOL
Pennington had no one covering his ass today. How can you expect a QB to make plays when Jake Long is falling on his ass?
Look at Cutler on Sunday night. He was picked 4 times because the Bears O Line didn’t defend him and he is far more superior of a QB than CP10 is. CP 10 had a fumble and a pick. You can blame this on O Line and my boy Fasano has some making up to do on Monday against the COlts.
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by rangerjae on Sep 14, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take Cutler closed eyes...
Cutler 17-36 for 277
Penne 21-29 for 176
Both with O-Lines on their butts and dont come with me saying bears have better receiving corps
by Mexican_ on Sep 14, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You conveniently left out Cutler's 4 interceptions.
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by joel311 on Sep 14, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope...
4 Turnovers each game and bears still were in the game until the end, I can’t say the same of my beloved dolphins
by Mexican_ on Sep 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those 4 turnovers were different circumstances.
And we were still in the game after the 4th one if you remember correctly. Had that TD by Fasano not been called back, there would have been some time on the clock for a comeback.
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by joel311 on Sep 15, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ofcourse you do
But my point was if your O Line ain’t getting it done, you’re going to fall down. Which is why I used Cutler as an example. He had no protection the entire first half.
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''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ur crazy
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
little early for that
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only people I would choose to Flame this week is...
Anthony Fasano, and the O-Line. 2 turnovers were killers, and I know Penne tried to thread one in there and got picked so but it looked like it was a check down because his receiver was covered. Fasano is going have to learn he’s a TE and if he catches the ball over the middle, you’re going to get hit hard. PROTECT THE BALL!!!! O-Line, all I can say is, “sigh.” 13 hurries, 4 sacks, dismal running game… Didn’t see “exotic” blitz packages as we like to call them, just saw guys getting beat by lighter, faster guys. It’s tough to say “Oh we were playing a playoff team” there after the first week, but it seems there defense who we thought was their weak point ended up being their strong point, and the O capitalized on every mistake. I’m pretty sure that’s where we want to be and I know Sparano will have them ready for the Colts. Put Peyton on his ass D!!!
If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....
by Heater OsE on Sep 14, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you Sh&*^$g me
Ok the line played horrific. But if all of you cant see that CP is a joke. Then you all are blind. Defenses can blitz the hell
out of us and can stack the line of scrimmage. CP cant throw it deep. That is the problem with this team hands down. CP is not a playmaker. Henne or white would make teams repspect the deep ball.
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LoL....
Throwing the ball deep was not the problem ecks. To be able to throw ball deep you have to have enough time to take a 5-step drop, cause I imagine you want him to throw 40+ yards. This offense isn’t built that way. If you want to see 4 and 5 wide packages, go watch the Saints. CP made the plays that were given him. He makes the right choice 95% of the time, so I’m sticking with him.
If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....
by Heater OsE on Sep 14, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ecks has no idea what he is babbling on about.
No clue at all.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's entitled to his opinion...
I agree with his what he’s looking at…
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is if we win against ATL
No one would be shitcanning CP.
Agreed he is not Mr let me throw the ball 50 yds down the field. He is a game manager.
Knowing this, the line should play up to their big money potential and block for the man so he can make those plays.
Until we are dead, CP isn’t going anywhere.
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''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The short plays that he can make
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''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey guys
i just got to watch the higlights. ugh…..im depressed. i dont even know what to say. and unfortunately i gotta run, busy as hell. so sam, kdog, tifosi, alpha, matty , finster, rzayo, lefty and everybody im to depressed to remember, i wont be on too much in the next few weeks, but trust that ill be keeping hope alive all the way back to hawaii, 15 days to go.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Sep 14, 2009 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's awesome man!!!!
get yer ass back in two pieces!
Seriously, keep safe.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad you'll be back soon!
remember, u gotta come to NY for free cab rides, cheap food, and expensive beer
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
miami receivers were open alot
I was at the game and i can tell you all that miami receivers were alot, But Chad just wanted to toss it away when he could have made so big plays.
by GERALD 321 on Sep 14, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad can't see the field from the stands...
There is usually at least 1 really open receiver every few plays that gets missed because either the play is rushed and he doesn’t get to that progression, or maybe he doesn’t have a passing lane to throw to that receiver (or can’t see him thru the linemen)…..
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick w/CP
Alright, We can stick W/CP. We will just have to deal with never seeing what this offense can do with a soild arm, and a deep threat like ginn. Ginn is fast as hell, But CP
is captn checkdown. Im sorry, but he WORTHLESS.
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait untill CP10 has a good game
I’m sure you won’t be calling him worthless! When has either of our back up QB’s completed a deep ball? Even in preseason against back up cb’s it didn’t happen!
GEtSICK 4 JC
by GEtSICK13 on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He is not worthless...
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is saying he is worthless...
My PERSONAL opinion is that modern football REQUIRES strong arms… the game is just too fast, and DBs and LBs are just too strong and fast…
I will not change my mind regarding this… I think CP10 can have solid games (and by that meaning high ratios, limited mistakes), but to be in the position to win consistently, we need more at that position.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec'd
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn won't be with us next season....
We trade him or release him. At best he’s a #2 guy…. he’s not a #1 WR.
There are a LOT of fast guys in the NFL, speed doesn’t make you a great WR.
Ashley Lelie
Troy Williamson
Heyward-Bey
Mike Wallace
All of these guys are crazy burners…… This isn’t college…..the difference between the fastest WR and the slowest DB is often one or two tenth of a second. Receiving in the NFL is all about how fast you can come out of your cuts, and change direction to get open.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evaluating talent that requires other positions to play well is complicated...
Evaluating the OL is simpler… depends to block assignments…
Now, evaluating WRs… If Rodgers were our QB, Ginn would have +100yards and a TD yesterday… Would you say he was crap?
I remember people were burning Beck as Mr. Checkdown… Wouldn’t you agree CP10 would be served by that comment as well?
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think CP10 takes what is given to him.
When your OLine is not giving you time to finish your routes, and the coaches are designing plays with shorter routes….then I see nothing wrong with the Checkdown. Hell Tim Hightower had 12 receptions for 100+ yards as a checkdown…. its a legitimate play…
The difference in this conversation is that Ginn has never been the guy to get open on a consistent basis. He has never run great routes, in college he survived on his speed. You can’t do that in the NFL.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from your mouth
to parcells ears. speed alone is not the only talent needed in the nfl. unfortunately, it’s the only thing ginn seems to have. he damn sure can’t return kicks.
by ncfinfan on Sep 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense not going anywhere...
… without a QB that can throw more than 10 yards… And don’t give me the “he didn’t have time” speech… Other teams will blitz 100% of the time as well, because they know we won’t be able to punish them deep for doing so…
This will also affect running lanes.
Were there open receivers downfield yesterday? I saw Ginn wide open in that pattern that was overthrown by White… Sad, White overthrows everything, and CP10 cannot put the ball there…
Well… lets continue with the 6 yards/catch average… seems to be a good proposition.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall a couple 40-50 yard pass plays by CP10 in preseason...
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of them were floaters...
Did you watch the Bears / Packers game? Rodgers and Cutler… Both those guys can throw the ball 20-25 yards downfield without an arc to the ball…
I am just saying… the modern football game requires arm strenght…. there is no way around it.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup....Cutler threw 4 INT' and should have thrown 6 but
GB’s corners dropped 2 of the them….
thats all I’m saying.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I respectfully DISAGREE with you.
Cutler is 4 years into the NFL, will be soon entering his prime…
Last year he had 62% completion, 4,500 yards, 25 TDs and 18 Ints… 12 yards per attempt… + 200 rushing yards and 2 rushing TDs to go with that…
And if you want to talk about stinking it up, everyone has those days… Remember the Baltimore game in the playoffs last year?
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes everyone has those games...
So let CP10 have his, and move on.
He didn’t finish 2nd place in MVP voting because he sucked.
We didn’t go from 1-15 to 11-5 because he sucked (maybe 3 wins from a soft schedule)….
Its week 1…. uno…… you don’t abandon ship after the first game.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not abandoning the ship...
The 11-5 season was superb, and the main storyline was the turnovers… that low turnover number is not sustainable in my opinion… when we converge to the mean (as we started doing in the 1st game), our team does not have the weapons to overcome that… and the QB position is one of the problems.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB Play is directly related to the OLine
If the QB can’t step into the pocket to throw the ball because the pocket is collapsing, or he’s constantly looking over his shoulder expecting a sack, or being hurried you aren’t going to get those plays downfield.
When Chad has time he picks teams apart… our Line has got to be able to give him at least 4 seconds, and thats asking a line to be average in this league.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This guy says it best
“The Miami offensive line, coming at a cost of $156 million, was terrible. Pennington was sacked four times, hurried 13 times and knocked down 6 times. And the disappointing thing is this unit is supposed to be built. Yes, the Dolphins have to improve at WR. Yes, they need more playmakers.
But the players this team is counting on for years on the OL — Long, Smiley, Grove, Carey — guys all making tons of money, were horrible today. They got dominated."
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhhhh... you pulled the Armando quote?
That’s equivalent to punching below the waist line…
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU!!!
No big time arm. No reward. Period!!
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how'd Cutler play again?
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by Patssuck456 on Sep 14, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cutlers a duech
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont like the comment jump off the bandwagon, F-That. I was a fan all year long in 2007. There is no jumping off the damn bandwagon. If you’re a bandwagon fan – FU. I hate you all, if you’re gonna be a fan, be god damn fan.
by PhinsFan69 on Sep 14, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Always a Fan
I am just saying that with CP 10 , Defenses can stack the line of scrimmage, and cheat there
safety Up. This offense can not produce unless the threat of the deep ball is there. This also opens running lanes. Teams through out the leauge do not respect CP.
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
We can win with CP10, as we did last year… but: 1) we cannot fall behind in games, meaning ZERO turnovers; 2) we have to resort to trickery to get our long gains…
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Babbysitter
Dont make turnovers. Protect the football. CP is a Babysitter for this ofense, until
our franchise QB is found!!
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the CP10 must go bull
This happens after every game when they don’t win, matter of fact it happened last year at this time… As a matter of fact it happened 7 years ago when Fiedler was playing, 2nd most winning qb that was currently in the NFL only Brady had a higher win percentage and you drove him out of town in favor of Ray Lucas and AJ Feeley…. Pennington is the only chance this team has to win… Besides if Henne plays before he is ready he will end up being a 3rd string qb for Oakland in 4 years…
by Bostonboy on Sep 14, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see how we could bash CP10 after this week...
Solid game, a few mistakes. No time to throw = no deep ball. The passes that he did get off got there in plenty of time for player to make a catch and most (where fasano blew it) had time to turn and run. You give Penne 4 seconds to throw and he will pick any defense apart.
If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....
by Heater OsE on Sep 14, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a fun stat for you deep ball lovers.
In 2008:
CP10 ranked tied for 12th in the league for passes over 20+ Yards
and ranked 10th in the league for passes over 40+ Yards….
Top 10 in the league…. He ranked ahead of Big Arms like Cutler, Favre, Both Mannings, and Roethlisberger…
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really ? Thats a fun fact that I did not know ! Awesome. More ammo against the "bench cp10" crowd
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However we had a weaker schedule in 2008
We are going against some big time defense this year!
BTW, I am not part of the bench CP10 crowd
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can only play who is on the schedule..
by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True!
There are no easy games in the NFL. There is no way to know how hard a schedule is going to be at the beginning of the season. You can not assume what a team will do based solely on last season.
by texascowpunk on Sep 19, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People can blame CP10 because they were not watching the game OR they are clueless
CP’s poor showing was 90% OL fault. If you do not have the time to drop back and find someone open you have to dump it to the check down. It is that simple. Penne had almost 0 time to pass all afternoon. Also What happened to Brown? He realy did not impress me. When Williams has a far better showing then your #1 rb there is an issue. Not that Brown had a horrible day.. but I just EPECTED more from him.. chalk it up to bad OL play once again. If you do not have an OL that can pass protect or run block you are a 1-15 team in the nfl. Hopefully our OL gets it act together soon.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep!!!
Well said!
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said....
There are 3 types of fans:
1) Next Best Thing Fan
You could be 15-1, and your star player has a bad game, and they want to pull him for the latest draft pick. These people are usually HUGE college football fans who don’t completely understand the difference in the game at the NFL level.
2) The Avid Fan
Everything is always rosy….We’re always going to the superbowl, we’re always 1 play away from the big turnaround….. This fan either doesn’t understand the X’s and O’s, or just likes the team colors…. but they support their team No matter what.
3) The Realistic Fan
This fan loves their team, but understands the X’s and O’s. They know that sometimes sack isn’t the QB or the WR’s fault, its a coverage sack. They understand schemes, and they can see beyond the stat line into what drives a teams performance. These fans are also avid fans, they support their team, but understand the bumps and bruises the team is going thru.
Too many Next Best Thing fans….
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Realistic Fan
I’ll stop bashing CP,but>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The Realistic Fan……..Knows that CP will not get us Anywhere.
by ecks on Sep 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except to an 11-5 record and win the division....
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well played !
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes you have to set them up :)
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW Pennington is not a god
and he has proved that with 6 TOs in his past 2 games.
Pennington can’t win games by himself, but he can sure as hell lose em.
Pennington = WORTHLESS if he can’t take care of the ball.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pennington got us that far?
I thought it was a stout defense that held us in games until inept offesnse could muster a drive at the end.
I’m also sure the wildcat formation had nothing to do with it. I’m totally sure Pennignton would had led us to a victory over the Pats in NE without the WC formation (sarcasim off).
The WC and defense was more the cause for our turnaround than Pennington. Now I’m not saying Chad didn’t contribute, he did. He did in major ways, but he is not the sole reason we had the turnaround we did last year like many people are making him out to be.
I’ve been telling you people, we are a rebuilding team, but nobody wants to hear that. Basically 2 new starters on the O-line. A new starting WR. A new safety, rookie (and 2nd year) CBs, JT back, and some more rookies or 1st year on the D-line.
All that can’t just jell like season vets.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I won't argue about the Defense....
but it still takes a QB to drive down the field and put you in scoring position.
Next year, or the year after we should be a real big force in the league. Until then, we’re holding our breath hoping for the best.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I've been telling people for a while.
Parcells was brought in to rebuild the team and make them contenders again. And since we had such an amazing turnaround last year, a lot of people are thinking that we are done rebuilding and should be playing like teams that are built well and stay on top like the Colts, Pats, etc.
Unfortunately, the rebuilding process usually takes about 3 seasons before teams do well. We made a big jump forward last year, but we can’t forget that we still have work that needs to be done. We beefed up the defense this year, and I’m betting that in the next draft, we’ll be going after a lot more offense.
Just because we made a huge leap forward last year doesn’t mean that we don’t have anything else to work on. There is still rebuilding to be done, and like Neo said, all these new guys we have are going to need time to gel and get used to each other.
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by Chupathingy on Sep 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen my friend
rebuilding yes…. but if that is true and what they say about henne taking over is true why didn’t they get Henne PT at the end?
btw: to all those 11-5 CP people… go back and check the box scores last year…. they played one of the weakest schecules in the history of the nfl last year(by opp winning percent), 8 or their 17 games last season where against teams with back up QB’s starting, and they played against a number of teams missing their best players (merriman). the team is rebuilding folks. there is a reason the over/under is 7.5…. so what neo says is true.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 14, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and for once me and pe#1 agree
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
''If they don't like it when Wise comes to hit, turn the TV off, turn the radio off or turn around and start walking toward the concession stand,'' -Ozzie Guillen 6-3-09
by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
And last year we were a damn good rebuild project!
"My heart has always been in Miami and so I'm truly excited to call myself a Dolphin once again."-Jason Taylor 05-13-09
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by rangerjae on Sep 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another playoff loss to his otherwise mediocre playoff record....
But at least we can say we won the division and made the playoffs!! What do we win for that? Oh, that’s right…..NOTHING!!!
by luvs2drnk on Sep 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said great post.
Way too many net best thing fan.
Being from Maine I have never been into college football as we dont get a real fare shot up here, so I dont follow it at all. Comming onto this site I couldnt understand how so many people were all about trading this qb.. or getting rid of this productive rb for a draft pick. It baffled me that so many put so much faith in the draft. Then I realized who these people actually were.. all college fans. College fans who think that every great college player will make the transition into the nfl and become the next Tom Brady.. Drew Brees… ect ect. Truth is that more draft pics are a bust then end up being a top draft pick. Playing in the NFL takes time. Very few transition and become epic the first year or 2. When all these “next best thing” fans say we should get rid of CP10 for a 2nd rounder.. or dump Brown for a 2nd rounder I try to remind the that Tom Brady was not a 1st.. or 2nd.. or 3rd or 4th.. or 5th round pick.. he was a 6th round pick #199 overall and look at him now. Just because someon was a beast in college does not mean they will thrive (or survive) in the NFL.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya but when u really think about it....
does any team in the nfl fear us throwing the ball more than 10 yards? i like cp10’s management skills but i think the field shortens up a bit cuz there is no fear of us ever going deep….
ARE WE BECOMING A COLLEGE GIMMICK TEAM? option plays, flea flickers, were becoming more of a joke than a contender. why do we always need tricks to win?
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
What do you consider a deep ball? What’s the completion rate of the deep ball? What keeps the ball moving down the field? In pro’s a deep ball is 20+ yards, mid range is 10-15, and short is 0-10. Check all quarterbacks and you tell me where CP10 matches up.
If I'm a chicken, you're a turkey....
by Heater OsE on Sep 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd and long.....
almost seemed impossible for CP in that game…
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 15, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone but me wish we went after Boldin
A bi-proven physical receiver that will go up and get the ball….a good fit for CP.
I know we drafted P Turner…but he is not proven & needs development!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 14, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he is still hurt
didnt u see him do nothing yesterday aganist frisco?
by CaliPhinsFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im still on the Boldin waggon.. trade ginn and a pic or 2 for him asap !
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect him
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
JT.. Porter.. Wake.. gona getcha !
by MainePhinFan on Sep 14, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.... and who would you have throw to him..?!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in all honesty
watching the game yesterday, the thought that we should have taken Ryan over Long entered my mind several times.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Future is Nigh...
Let’s be realistic. There are some very informed and well thought out comments here, some not so much. BUT we need to understand that it is time to commit to the future. We’ve spent time, draft picks and $$$ on YOUTH at nearly every position. Every position except QB. NOBODY appreciates what CP did for this team last year than me. But c’mon even he knows that his time is limited. This is a business; a business of winning. And I believe with all of CP’s brains and experience the SPEED of this game today necessitates a strong arm. Sure you can dink and dunk some teams to death! The Jets killed Miami time and time again with it for years in the 80’s and 90’s. BUT we killed them equally with a strong arm. We need to dedicate this season to Henne and his growth so that this entire team can learn together so that they win together sooner than later. I know CP wants to play but he knows he is going to be a great coach someday. Let’s let him coach Henne to his potential so that we can know whether Henne is Matt Ryan or Ryan Leaf.
by dolphan since '73 on Sep 14, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“The Future is Nigh…” ???
Who talks like that?
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Monty Python.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad we got that loss out of the way....
I was really starting to get tired of the Media all over us going Undefeated again…it was tiresome….
Now we can move on to Week 2…..
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matty
I think you are pretty much spot on.
I was thinking pretty much everything that you put down in this post…. The single biggest disappointment was the O-line. The is nothing about the game that concerned me more… not the turnovers, not the secondary… the O-line. And like you said, last year it was just about run blocking that we were concerned. But at least they were protecting CP reasonably well. But other than the obvious whiffs by Long, I couldn’t even keep track of where the pressure was coming from. There were so many leaks in the damn, I am not surprised CP was throwing picks. Not making excuses for CP, but seriously, he did not have that passing performance last year by spending most of his time running from a pass rush.
As for the TOs, CP’s fumble was pretty much the fault of the O-line. And Fasano’s first fumble was somewhat understandable. I mean, I bet the kid had a concussion and didn’t even know it. It looked ans sounded like the defender launched himself, helmet first, into Fasano’s ear hole. So even though the turnovers were “un-Dolphin-like”, shit happens, and we could have recovered if we had been able to get the Offense going.
As you said, the pass D was suspect, but overall, our D did not lose us the game. I thought JT played well. I saw him around the ball often, even if his number wasn’t being called for the tackle. Now Porter…. HE disappeared, and that’s not a good thing. Kudos, to Merling. Maybe he doesn’t like being second string. Good!
But as for the Pat White/WildCat/Wild Pat/Whetever…. I thought that was a HUGE mistake on the part of the coaching staff. Personally, i feel like it just disrupted the flow of the offense when they were already struggling to get it together. i would not have felt the same about our base WC formation that has already transitioned into a regular part of the playbook, and i didn’t mind the little sideways flea flicker, or reverse. All good. But I just felt like putting White in there when they did killed our offensive momentum when it was still a pretty close game, and when CP was still trying to figure out how to move the chains. And i recognize the counter argument here.. “If he had connected with Ginn you wouldn’t be saying this”. Maybe not, but I think our offense being out of sync is the issue that needs to be fixed, not creative play calling. IMO
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel like it just disrupted the flow of the offense
We had a flow on offense?! I missed that. I must had stepped out for a sec.-) I agree the defense played fine. The o-line will come around, you’ll see.
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by Neo on Sep 14, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it disrupted flow as well
but I think they felt forced to go away from a conventional type Offense yet again because of our embarassing O-Line play and that is what bothers me the most.The Wildcat should compliment your base scheme IMO and should be used to further pummel the opponent by putting them back on their heels but we haven’t got a push upfront the last two years and that better be addressed immediately.CP is without a doubt the best game manager in the game but his strengths and Hennings schemes and play calling depends on GREAT O-Line play to be successful and if ours doesn’t improve drastically and very quickly we will be lucky to win four games.Thank God we didn’t play the team in green and white from the North East yesterday is all I have to say!
by firedanhenningnow on Sep 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
totally agree.
i think we tend to use the WC well as part of our regular play callings, but the White experiment should be thought out a bit more in terms of when and where to pull the trigger.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree a bit
if you are going to say that the cp fumble was the O—lines fault then you have to say the fassano fumble was CP’s fault, he locked on fassano and lead him right into peterson…. there was a reason why peterson was able to line him up for that kill shot and the QB played a big part in that one….
btw: as to the o-line … 2 points abraham said in effect all those years in NY gave him an advantage in that he knew where CP was going to drop to….
and they 2nd point that i’ve made all along is that you can not run the ball effectively with a QB who can not make a defense cover the entire field. it is way too easy in this day and age to pack the defense within the hash marks and stop the run and the slants/ins and see if the QB can beat us with outs and deep posts… and unless you have a QB with at least some zip on the ball you can’t make those passes on a regular basis against good defenses.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky ran great despite
the line issues. Maybe start Ricky and use Lex as a change of pace back to develop him for the future?
I really don’t see Henne as the future QB. There is a reason he doesn’t get garbage time. The regime seems to like Pat White much more.
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by joel311 on Sep 15, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What on earth would make you think they like Pat White more?
I can almost guarantee you Pat White will never be the Dolphins starting QB.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I 2nd that opinion....White looked horrendous in Preseason...
And I’d look good under center in Preseason…..
by Fr8Train on Sep 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that makes sense
that’s why they played henne in the preseason an not white…
that’s why they brought henne to WR try outs during the offseason and not the lame ducker…
that’s why they said henne will be the starting QB By game one 2010….
makes perfect sense… they don’t like him.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Sep 15, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PreSeason
were the players handled too softly during the preseason in blocking drills and tackling drills? Should they have spent time on securing the balls/stripping the ball drills. The whole team looked a little soft out there, maybe thats why Merling didnt have a good preseason, he wanted to pop someone and wasnt allowed to.
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by Phintastic on Sep 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Possible....hard to believe that Tony S is soft on anybody.....
maybe they were worrying about injuries too much during preseason-training camp?
I figured we would have been one of the better prepared teams!!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 14, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its just hard
to believe that Jake could get man-handled so easily on blocking a guy that was listed as probable for the game.
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by Phintastic on Sep 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
& a lot smaller.....the NFL loves to teach lessons...that is why so many
top college players are not over achievers in the NFL!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the Subject
It will be interesting to see how Brady does tonight…first real game post-opt…Carson Palmer has yet to be the same!!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The First Fasano Fumble
Watch the clip again. It struck me odd during the game and now watching it (on NFL.com in the highlights you can stop and rewind it) I feel the play is even stranger.
There is almost a full second after Fasano is lying on the ground before the ball flies up into the air. Balls don’t do that without help. I think it was stripped on the ground. Watch it. Weird.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what happened
but I watched it like 10 times and you never see the ball come out or where the ball came from. It was quite strange. I would assume that Fasano would have argued the call if it were stripped after he was down. Not that it would matter. You could not overturn the call on the field based on the video unless there is a view that we have not seen.
by texascowpunk on Sep 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no doubt in my mind he fumbled
He got rocked with 2 big hits. He was stupid for not putting 2 hands on the ball when taking those guys on
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit
Where’s the Tylenol?
I didn’t even see the game and I’m pissed.
by stonecoldcory on Sep 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
COBBS-HILLIARD
Those are the two guys that need to be returning kicks. They are fast, strong and will run right up the middle to break tackles. Forget about Ginn and Bess. It didn’t work last year and it will work even less this year against better teams.
by jnitro on Sep 14, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmmm, I like your thoughts....
Anything would be better than the crap I saw yesterday!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we need that kid williams back
yeah, he needs work, but he was the best I have seen of all the guys we have put back there.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are not that fast
cobbs – 4.68
hilliard – 4.7
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that may be
but i wouldn’t put me back there either.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't describe either of those 2 as fast.
But I’m also not opposed to letting them take return duties. Can’t be any worse.
But the fact is none of them provide the possible TD threat that Ginn does. And neither will do crap with the kind of piss-poor blocking on returns.
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relief!!!
piss-poor blocking
Finally!!! That’s the description I was looking for!!! It’s like finding the name of the song that’s been playing in your head for two days.
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the whole time ginn has been returning kicks for the Fins
i have never seen him make good decisions, or hit the holes quickly. it may be that blocking is an issue, but IMO, Ginn does not have the lateral quickness or vision to be a return man.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did take 3 kickoffs back for TDs as a rookie
but two were called back due to holding penalties that had no effect on the play. so clearly he’s got some skill as a return man.
but at this point, i’d settle for getting the ball to the 25 or 30 yard line. if Hilliard or Cobbs can do that consistently, then what the hell – let’s go for it
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scared = female genitillia......
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t Williams released injured? New to the site.
by FinFanFromCA on Sep 14, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes.
he broke his hand.
but if we don’t get someone better before he is healthy, i would take another look at him.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You
I think most of you on this site look at things the same way I do. We all want what’s best for our team.
by FinFanFromCA on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is noy to bash CP10
games like this make me wish we had drafted Ryan instead of Long. i only say this because Long is still getting beat (even in preseason). if we take Ryan instead, we have a franchise QB, as we saw yesterday, and Henne is no sure thing. this org. has a knack for finding talent. i just think a cheaper option at LT makes it easier to swallow what happened yesterday. there would be that much LESS money tied up in our mediocre OL and it just wouldn’t seem as bad, IMO. and we’d have our future QB. hell, we could still have CP10, but at least our OL wouldn’t look as foolish considering how much money they make.
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by BULLieving in Miami on Sep 14, 2009 3:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
just hold on a moment
It seems to me that there are a lot of people tearing down the phins after one loss.Our offense did look bad,I admit that,but what about our defense?How many times did atlanta get the ball on our side of the fifty to start a drive? Yet they only scored 19 points.Our play calling needs to be adjusted, run run pass aint gonna work for us! Our offense will come together…and Ricky should start at runningback,as old as he is hes still better than ronnie brown.The line will gell…and our offense will be better…and we will win a lot of games this season…This one sucks…but its only one game people!
by wengman42 on Sep 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I made sure to highlight the defense:
All in all, let’s be fair here about the defense. The Falcons had 11 possessions. Of those 11, seven of them saw the Falcons gain 20 yards or less. And only two possessions saw the Falcons gain over 45 yards. So I guess we shouldn’t really kill the defense here. Would it have been nice to force a turnover or get more pressure on the quarterback? Of course. But it is what it is. The defense certainly did not lose this football game for Miami.
by Matty I on Sep 14, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the offense did.
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by FinsFromBrazil on Sep 14, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you! The masses need to settle down....
Its a long season…. you don’t have to win 16 games to make the playoffs, or win the division.
We talked a lot about how Preseason teams don’t show everything…well now our offense has to figure out how to game plan against a real defense scheme…. We’ll get our wins, and hopefully a Wilcard spot…. Patience people…. that 11-5 last year was an aberration given the 1-15 season before. Gotta be realistic in your expectations.
by Fr8Train on Sep 14, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its only the first game...
Look I know its sad to see what happened but give it time and if the season looks like its going no where say mid season or past then we can worry and start thinking for the future or next season. Lets relax and see what happens.
Boy that was a horrible game ouch!!!!!!!!!!
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by DolfanfromNC on Sep 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We will get it together this coaching staff will see to it..
Fin fan till the end no doubt.........................
by DolfanfromNC on Sep 14, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree with most of the post,
but as for the what were you thinking play….Gotta give it to Chad Pennington on that first fumble. That was a rookie mistake from a 9 year pro. Even the announcers were wondering what the hell he was doing. It wasn’t a blindside hit, he knew the guy was coming, and still stood there.
I thought we also misused Pat White in the Wildcat. If you’re going to run a QB draw, do it from a 5 WR set. Not the poor excuse of a makeshift option type run, not only will it not work against NFL defenses, but it’s likely to get White killed.
Finally, our OL needs alot of work. If we can’t start getting yards running between the tackles, this is going to be a really long and disappointing season.
by luvs2drnk on Sep 14, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
i got a warning on gang green nation that said to say more productive things than rag on someones weight!
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
rex ryan's a fatass
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Alpha6 on Sep 14, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess sometime the truth hurts!
by texascowpunk on Sep 14, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol someone had to tell them
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be commended not scolded!
You were only trying to help. Your an inspiration to all of us that hate the Jets!
by texascowpunk on Sep 14, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you!
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by samdaman on Sep 14, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
turnovers, turnovers, turnovers
That was unessecary, we shouldn’t have turned the ball over that much. Fasano hold on to the ball, for all of us.
by dolfancraigo on Sep 16, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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