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A Detailed View & Ranking of YOUR AFC East

 

The Concept:

Throughout this long offseason, the head honchos at the 4 AFC East Blogs decided to do a rank of each team by position. The plan seemed to be to rank each team's overall depth chart talent from 1st to 4th. The participators included:


[MattyI] from [The Phinsider]
[MaPatsFan] from [Pat's Pulpit]
[Brian Galliford] from [Buffalo Ramblings]
[John B] from [Gang Green Nation]

So, my idea now  is to take all of their rankings to see how some of the most informed minds view their teams in relation to the very TOUGH competition of the AFC East. However, since they only ranked a handful of positions, I would take the remainder of the positions into my own hands and provide a rank as accurate and unbiased as possible. Previously, the fantastic four successfully ranked:
QB
RB
WR
DT &
LB

I also rated these 5 categories, as well as took the initiative to additionally add and rate the following categories...
OL
Secondary
Special Teams &
Coaching/Intangibles

-for a total of 9 total categories.

My goal is to provide an accurate and unbiased (as all possible, although I will throw my opinions in there!) ranking and also see how each blog viewed their preseason team and how they should fare in 2009. My rankings are focusing on OVERALL depth, not just starters.

Teaser alert: The information is very informative so make sure to grab a cold beer now and pay attention so you don't get lost.

How It Works:

Each team gets a ranking 1st-4th for each category. I will categorize them by what I will call position points.
1st place votes get 4 points,
2nd place gets 3 points,
3rd place gets 2 points,
last place gets 1 point.

In all I will show how each team fared in relation to other and will include conclusions WITH my input and votes and WITHOUT my votes.

 

A complete and detailed analysis of EVERY position after the jump....

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The Analysis:

 

QB-


The Phinsider- NE (4), MIA (3), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

Pats Pulpit- NE (4), MIA (3), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

Gang Green- NE (4), MIA (3), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

Buffalo Ramblings- NE (4), MIA (3), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

My Rankings- NE (4), MIA (3), BUF (2), NYJ (1)


This is the one and only position where all blogs seemed to be on the same page. And no wonder why, this is probably the most clear cut position battle of the entire AFC east. The Dolphins depth chart contains one of the deepest in the league, unfortunetly they also have Tom Brady in the same division. Simply put, Brady is good enough for all 3 of Miami's quarterbacks. One of the best QB's to play the game, when he is HEALTHY, there is almost NOBODY better. I am not one to root for Brady but the respect is definitely there. People argue that he is a system quarterback- isn't any great quarterback a symbol of their system? He did take his team to 2 superbowls and with no standout #1 WR. He is the sole reason for the Patriots taking 1st place honors here, and 4 position points  in my rankings. However, their depth is glaring, if Brady goes down all that can change. Could Kevin O'Connell or Brian Hoyer step in and have the success that Cassell did? Who's to say.

Miami is an easy choice for 2nd place. They have the comeback player of the year and MVP runner-up Chad Pennington at the realm. There may be nobody more accurate or intelligent in the league at the position. Chad Henne is at worst, one of the best backups I know of and showcases that rocket arm uncharacteristic of Pennington's style. And would any team honestly want to face Pat White, the guy can beat you in so many ways.

The Bills take 3rd, because Trent Edwards can be a great quarterback. I believe consistancy is the problem, but with the weapons this year, Bills fans are hoping he can produce or they will likely be calling for a replacement (or his head). Depth is also a concern, as backup J.P. Losman is jetting out to Vegas in some no name league that not even Die Hard Bills Fans will keep track of.

With an unproven Rookie QB, the Jets belong nowhere else but at the cellar in this ranking. Sanchez is definetly getting the hype, but most rookies start off shaky and If I were a Jets fan (which would probably be the last thing in the world I would ever do. Ever), I would hope he will atleast be decent enough to keep Kellen Clemons off the field.

In total, this was an easy decision, and I believe all teams and fans can reasonably agree with these rankings.

QB Total- NE (20), MIA (15), BUF (10), NYJ (5)

 

RB-

The Phinsider- MIA (4), BUF (3), NYJ (2), NE (1)

Pats Pulpit- NE (4), NYJ (3), MIA (2), BUF (1)

Gang Green-  NYJ (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NE (1)

Buffalo Ramblings- NYJ (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NE (1)

My Rankings- MIA/NYJ (4), BUF (2), NE (1)


Unlike the last rankings, this is probably the one position that was almost IMPOSSIBLE to rank without atleast some heart in it for your team. The fact is, the AFC East contain some of the most talented and deep backs in all the league.

The easiest decision was to put the Patriots at the bottom. Ronnie, Marshawn and Thomas Jones have shown that they can all be a top back in the NFL. I have had high hopes for Maroney having him on my fantasy team (especially due to the fact that you can’t stack the box because they have the best aerial attack in the league) but realistically, he has refused to do prove anything thus far. I am a huge fan of Fred Taylor, and think he fits well in New England. However he fares best as a complementary back and his age is beginning to show. As well as I think he may do, I don't believe it is fair to put him in the same caliber as the other 3, for now.

The Bills have a duo of backs who have alot of potential. Marshawn Lynch is a good back. Period. He has 530 carries in 2 years, which means he gets the brute force of alot of plays in Buffalo. Fred Jackson can be the next piece to make this the best 1,2 back in the league. But they are not there yet. I believe Ronnie Brown is a better back than Marshawn Lynch, and that health is the only roadblock for him to be one of the best in football. Although Lynch does have 2 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, Brown has tallied higher YPC in EVERY season, and has proved he is capable of a 10 TD season as well. My point is, if Ronnie had the carries that Lynch had, the numbers would be that much more apparent.


You also have to compare character issues when analyzing the backs. Marshawn has off-the-field issues including suspensions, Thomas Jones has been somewhat of a cancer following the offseason, while Brown has done nothing but been the face of the franchise. Obviously the only thing from holding him back has been a solid, healthy season…. one that Dolphin fans wish to see in 2009. I think the Bills have an excellent pair of backs, but the tough AFC East competition, lack of overall experience, and depth is the reason they end up 3rd in the division for the RB position.

As much as I dislike the Jets, I will agree that they are the one team to challenge Miami in the RB category. 4 straight 1,000 yard seasons seals the deal that Jones has been the most consistent back in the AFC East. Leon Washington is a threat every time he touches the ball. Shonn Green is a rookie, who has proven NOTHING, so it’s tough to rank his performance. But his potential is there, and at #3 on the depth chart, I'd feel pretty happy if he was on my team.

But the dolphins have strong evidence to share the title with the Jets here. Ricky Williams is a beast at #2 spot. Him and Leon Washington could be starters elsewhere but make wonderful complimentary backs. Ricky has as many 1,000 yard seasons as Jones, and he is Miami's second in command. Patrick Cobbs may not SCARE you, but he did so many things RIGHT. He returned kicks, had 2 beautiful TD’s against Houston and is a great blocking back.  Lousaka Polite had a perfect 4th-and-short conversion rating. So Miami, with a handful of weapons, and the highest yards per carry, i do not think was a HOMER pick here.

In total,  I give NY and MIA a push, with Buffalo slightly behind, and the patriots, much like Tom Brady himself, taking it in the rear. I kid, I kid.

RB Total- NYJ (17), MIA (14), BUF (12), NE (8)

 

WR-

The Phinsider- NE (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NYJ (1)

Pats Pulpit- NE (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NYJ (1)

Gang Green-  NE (4), BUF (3), NYJ (2), MIA (1)

Buffalo Ramblings- BUF (4), NE (3), NYJ(2), MIA (1)

My Rankings- NE (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NYJ (1)


I see this position battle pretty set in stone if i may say so myself, however i see where the debate may start between bloggers. Let me clarify this for all who think otherwise, when it comes to solid WR depth, NE and BUF are on a ho' notha' level (or a HNL as I call it) then MIA and NY. Of the top 2,  I give the edge to the Pats, and I am not even considering the QB position in this decision.

First of all, for how they fit on the team... Randy Moss>Terrell Owens and Wes Welker>Lee Evans. Now, I am not saying that Welker is hands down a better receiver then Lee (because that my not be the case), but I think he fits better in his shifty slot position then  the other #83 does. All 4 are excellent receivers. Randy Moss's abilities give the Pats the edge, because he has the POTENTIAL to be the best reciever in the AFC (perhaps T.O. does as well, but thats a big iffy) and has carried no baggage to his team.

Buffalo is at #2 looking pretty with Owens and Evans. With solid depth in Reed and Parrish, they sit well above the other 2 squads.

Here is where the debate gets heated. The Ginn v. Cotchery battle is a passionate one, but I'll dismiss crowning a winner for now.

Miami takes 3rd place and here's why. Even if Cotchery is a better #1 receiver than Ginn (which I don't think he is), this is a battle for depth. That being said, Miami has a huge advantage with Bess, Camarillo, Turner, Hartline, and London in comparison to Chansi Stuckey, Brad Smith and David "Bozo the" Clowney. Had NY held on to Coles, or addressed this position in the draft or via free agency, things might be alot different. But they didn't. I feel that Cotchery will find difficulty beating double teams to get open for a rookie QB and nobody will truly STEP UP to help him. Just one of the reasons for fantasy stats, I'd look more at Teddy than Jerricho in 2010.

To Recap: NE and BUF at the Top, and MIA and NYJ looking less star-studded behind them.

WR Total- NE (19), BUF (16), MIA (8), NYJ (7)

 

DT-

The Phinsider- NE (4), BUF (3), MIA (2), NYJ (1)

Pats Pulpit- NYJ (4), NE(3), BUF (2), MIA (1)

Gang Green-  NYJ (4), NE (3), MIA (2), BUF (1)

Buffalo Ramblings- NE (4), NYJ (3), BUF(2), MIA (1)

My Rankings- NE (4), BUF (3), MIA/NYJ (2)


So far, New England is looking pretty well, and with a body like Vince Wilfork I award them another 1st place trophy. Ron Brace as a backup, is an excellent substitute; Brace was somebody I hoped my Dolphins would make a move for.

Marcus Stroud and the Bills are  the next winner; even though a 4-3 scheme makes it difficult to compare, Stroud is wonderful at what he does and Kyle Williams is a quite a quite playmaker next to him.

The next ranking was so back and forth that it was best settled by a NY and MIA tie. Some think Kris Jenkins is an overrated player who starts hot and fizzles quickly, but I would disagree. Jenkins does have a harder time than most putting in a solid 16 game performance, but when he is at his best he is possibly the best in this class. The reason I can compare Miami's Jason Ferguson to him has nothing to do with stats. I give in, when it comes to recording stats, Jenkins is the overall winner. However, I feel Ferguson's importance to the team is enough to catapult him to Jenkins caliber. He demands so much attention that he allows Miami's young D-ends to make the plays they did last year. JFerg has been doing his job VERY well for the past 12 seasons; just ask Jets fans who watched him spend his first 9 with their team.

Since the bloggers did not rank the entire defense line for some reason, I feel you have to consider overall importance to this position, and both players demand a great deal of attention and are crucial to their team's success. At first glance, both depth chart's appear weak for the position, however, while Buffalo and New England look to be better suited in case an tackle injury DID happen to occur. In terms of NT/DT I'll take New England's Wilfork and Brace first, Buffalo's Stroud and Williams second, and let Ferguson and Jenkins battle it out for 3rd place.

DT Total- NE (18), NYJ (14), BUF (11), MIA (9)

LB-

The Phinsider- NYJ (4), MIA (3), BUF(2), NE (1)

Pats Pulpit- MIA (4), NYJ (3), NE (2), BUF (1)

Gang Green-  MIA (4), NE(3), NYJ (2), BUF (1)

Buffalo Ramblings- NYJ (4), MIA (3), NE (2), BUF (1)

My Rankings- MIA (4), NYJ (3), NE (2), BUF (1)


Depth is the name of this game and boy does Miami  got it. The Jets have some awesome playmakers but the LB is possibly the most SOLID position in Miami. Channing Crowder does more than call out Rex Ryan. He may be unspectacular to watch but accounted for 113 tackles last year in 15 games (2nd in the AFC East [Mayo]). The Porter/Taylor OLB combo is possibly the most feared in the division to say the least. The old vets still got it. Porter's 17.5 sacks last year led the AFC, and if Jason Taylor stays healthy all year you can bet he will be around the football at all times. Both guys are getting up there in age, but have alot of help from Matt Roth and Dolphin fans are hoping that former CFL player of the year, Cameron Wake, could be the next big name on defense. The only possible "weakness here" is the last spot of ILB made of Akin Ayodele and Reggie Torbor. Both do a good (not amazing) job but have plenty of help to prevent from calling it a "hole in the defense". IMO the dolphins are one stud away (at that ILB position) from being the best in the AFC, and I'm still a bit pissed about passing on Maualuga when we had a chance at a steal in the 2nd round.

NY is breathing down their necks behind at #2 and I am not happy about facing Bart Scott twice a year. David Harris had a quiet 2008, but is a great linebacker. Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas combined for 12.5 sacks, which is good, but nothing stellar. The linebackers at the Meadowlands are VERY good, but the depth is not quite on Miami's level, and alot of this had to do with draft choice Vernon Gholston doing absolutely nothing last year when the Jets needed him most.

The Pats take 3rd after Jerrod Mayo did something Gholston did not do in 2008- produce. His tackles led the AFC East, but like Crowder, didn't make too many gamechanging plays. Adalius Thomas is solid, but struggles to stay healthy and Tedy Bruschi is nowhere the player he used to be. Losing Vrabel to the Chiefs hurt their overall depth because no other player jumps off the depth chart at you.

The Bills rely on that 4-3 defense, so LB is also a bit difficult to classify. Unfortunetly, their LB's don't seem on the same page as the other 3. Poz is an awesome LB who is all over the field, but outside of Kawika Mitchell nobody is more than mediocre, and it doesn't seem fair to compare them to MIA, NY and NE.

LB Total- MIA (18), NYJ (16), NE (10), BUF (6)

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Now, since the rankings seem to be a bit incomplete, I added a few more position battles to include in the ranking.

O-Line:

My Rankings-NE/NYJ (4), MIA (2), BUF (1)

Unlike Defense, I decided to clump the entire Offensive Line together. Based on the amount of solid vets, 1st place is shared by the Patriots and The Jets. The Pats have names like Mankins, Light (or Sir CheapShot as I call him), Koppen, Neal, and Kaczur. All solid at the least. The Jets probably have the 2 most solid vets in the division with Mangold at C and Faneca at LG. I don't think alltogether their 5 is as solid as NE, but with Damien Woody towering at RT, I can't think of anyother way to decide one team from another, thus I'll make it easy and call it a push.

It pains me to put Miami at 3rd because I simply love our young talent, but it would not be fair to put them above NY or NE. Jake Long is possibly the most talented player at the LT position in football, and is the anchor that holds the line together. Jake Grove is an instant upgrade at C, pending his health. Vernon Carey does his job well, and meanwhile at camp, Shawn Murphy and Donald Thomas are fighting for the right guard position. Having one of the youngest O-Line's in the league, Miami is trying to have a tough, physical line for years for years to come, but as of NOW I don't think they are at the peak of the division.

I think we can all agree that the Bills are at the cellar at the O-Line position; compared to the other teams, their line is relatively weak. Losing Peters to FA hurt tremendously and everyone else seems to hide in his shadow. The one highlight would have to be Eric Wood, the rookie guard from Louisville. I am very high on him and I believe this could be an excellent steal.

Secondary:

My Rankings-  NYJ (4), MIA/NE (2), BUF (1)


The Jets, who are under new coach, Rex Ryan, seem to be defense-orientated and hold the #1 spot for a top-notch secondary. First of all, Darelle Revis is quite possibly the best corner in the AFC East. And with help from Kerry Rhodes and newly appointed corner, Lito Sheppard, the Jets look to shut down some of the most dangerous receivers this upcoming year. They also added Jim Leonhard, who is a quiet, big-hitting SS. I'm not too sure how much success he might have, but I think the Lito Sheppard was a great pickup as a very clutch #2 corner this offseason.

And what a difference a year makes... After the Dolphins seemed to have one of the league's weakest secondarys in the past offeseason, they made some serious moves after the season's end, and enough to put them at a tie for #2 in the AFC East. First of all, they resigned Yaremiah Bell and added Gibril Wilson from Oakland to form a terrific safety duo. At corner, Will Allen is not the only person who can play anymore. Eric Green, was also added but there have been some concerns of him being burned. The draft answered alot of question marks however, as the Dolphins got an awesome pair of corners. Physical Vontae Davis can match up with the tough receivers (Terrell Owens) while Sean Smith, at 6'3 will not get outplayed and outjumped easily by tall athletic guys (Randy Moss). Nobody else on the depth chart jumps out at you besides Chris Clemons, the rookie safety out of Clemson who was drafted in the 5th round. His speed and vision could make him a late round gem.

On paper, New England's secondary looks very similar to Miami's. You have 2 solid, hardhitting safetys, and a few rookies trying to compete for a few vet's jobs. Meriwhether and Sanders are very good (although IMO Miami has the slight edge) while rookie Patrick Chung is looking for an opportunity in. Sean Springs and Leigh Bodden are unspectacular, but very solid, and better than Miami's 2 starting corners. The X factor here remains Darius Butler. The corner from UConn has some serious ups, and I'm sure will try and outplay Davis and Smith on the Fins for best rookie corner in the East.

As for Buffalo, I think they have a very good secondary, and hate to put them last. Donte Whitner is a great safety and Leodis McKelvin is one of the shining stars of their defense. However Terrence McGee has had health problems and Ko Simpson at SS isn't anything special, plus he has had legal issues off the field. But the Bills secondary, when healthy is still very good. Jarius Byrd, the rookie corner from Oregon, posted a slow 40 time in the combine, but I still believe will make a healthy transition to the NFL after a few years under his belt. The Bills, have some young guns at corner and a beast at Whitner; I put them last here but by the years end they can easily be the top rated secondary in the AFC East.

 

Special Teams:

My Rankings- BUF (4), MIA (3), NE (2), NYJ (1)

Finally, Buffalo receives some love; I award them the title of AFC East's best Special Teams, and present them 4 position points. At kicker, Rian Lindell has been splitting the uprights as a reliable guy for the last 6 years in Buffalo. Although he has kicked 50+ yarders in each of the last 4 years, his 78.9% FG percentage in 2008 was actually ranked last between the 4 kickers in the division. Brian Moorman has been a Bill for all 9 years of his NFL service and is arguably the best punter in the AFC. Returning kicks and punts are also a sight to see in Buffalo. The speed of Parrish and McKelvin is simply too much. Buffalo does alot of things right, and IMO are the most balanced special teams group in the East.

Miami comes next. 1st year kicker, Dan Carpenter, hopped on as a unsigned pick to nail his first handful of kicks in a row. Punter, Brandon Fields, led the AFC East with most punts in the opponents 20. As for punt returning, Ted Ginn is without a doubt electryfying, and Davone Bess and Patrick Cobbs have shown to be stellar playmakers on kickoffs.

The Pats take 3rd. Gostkowski has had tough shoes to fill after Vinieteri's departure, but has done well. In fact, his 90% FG percentage last year was the best in the division. Chris Hanson has done a decent job at punter. As for returning punts and kicks, Wes Welker is a one man show. The guy is so exciting to watch and seems to be able to do everything. However, it looks as if there is nobody else close to his level to fill in, and he has had a few problems with fumbles in the past.

The Jets sweep the basement here, and are awarded 1 position point. Jay Feely has kicked well, but different websites seem to be wondering who will actually punt for them this year (Can somebody comment and help me out here lol). Jet fans are hoping somebody can get the job done. Leon Washington can only do so much to propel the Jets from last here, the shifty RB from Florida State can break one every time he touches the ball. However, when compared to the other 3 squads, the Jets end up last.

Coaching/Intangibles-

My Rankings-  NE/MIA (4), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

When it comes to coaching, I feel there's nobody that knows the game better on the sidelines than Bill Belicheck. Although, he did blatently cheat when he really didn't need to, his knowledge is a big reason for the Pats' success over the last decade. On the other hand, when it comes to anaylzing talent and managing athletes and personalities for building a team to win a championship, I would want no other than Bill Parcells as the head honcho in the front office. It is a great feeling in the offseason when you have that trust in the coaching staff, and subsequently must be a great feeling for players to have that confidence going into a brand new season. I wonder how successful a Parcells/Belicheck pairing would be? Would they combine wisdom or butt heads? Whichever the case, the Pats and the Dolphins have 2 talented groups on the sidelines, and are led by knoweldgable, accurate quarterbacks who are looked up to as leaders on their team. For this, the two teams are a deadlock for 1st place.

In third, I would go with Buffalo. Dick Jauron is going into his 4th year as Buffalo Head Coach, and is looking to break the streak of 3 years straight with a mediocre 7-9 record. Newly acquired Terrell Owens should offer some help for Trent Edwards who is looking to break into the next caliber of quarterback. But he has had his history. Losing Jason Peters hurts, leaving them with a subpar offensive line, however Buffalo is sick of fighting from the bottom of the AFC East. There's nowhere to go but up they are probably looking to follow in Miami's worst-to-first agenda; honestly I expect them to be a bit fired up going into the 2009 season.

I'd put New York last here, because honestly you really do not know what to expect from this team. A totally revamped squad, New York is putting alot of praise in rookie quarterback Mark Sanchez. I believe their solid line and running game should take some heat off him, but the wide receiver position is seriously lacking alot of depth. Losing Coles hurt, and Sanchez may struggle to find open targets in the big leagues. However, New York is definitely showing excitement every time you hear about them and they are hoping they can mimic the Ravens of last year with lights-out performances from the defense every week. However, the offseason has showed players bickering, training camp fights and a coach challenging to fight opposing players. Although the Jets could be a break out team, alot of arrows are also pointing that this team could be a royal mess at the end of the year.


Results:

So, now that all positions have been settled, I separated the results into 2 different categories. I will show the results without my rankings + input and I will show the results with my rankings. Remember, the 4 bloggers did not rate O-Line, Secondary, Special Teams, and Coaching so if you choose to evaluate those results keep that in mind. I am merely separating the two due to the fact that some people may think I am a biased, homer, a-hole; I tried to stay objective as possible, and for that I will show both results so we don't have to engage in the argument that I was not fair to all sides.

 

AFC EAST Results: Position Points without my Rankings (QB, RB,WR, DT, LB)-

Pats Pulpit- NE (17), MIA/NYJ (12), BUF (9)

The Phinsider-  MIA/NE (14), BUF (13), NYJ (9)

Gang Green Nation- NE (15), NYJ (13), MIA (12), BUF (10)

Buffalo Ramblings- NE/NYJ (14), BUF (12), MIA (10)

TOTAL RESULTS- NE (60), MIA (48), NYJ (45), BUF (44)

 

Remember, these are only how each blog voted, and only includes the 5 positions voted upon. As you can see:

Pats Pulpit liked their team best, with NY and MIA tied, and BUF last.

The Phinsider liked their team tied with NE, BUF right behind them and NYJ last.

Gang Green liked a balanced voting with NE 1st, then NYJ, MIA and BUF last.

Buffalo Ramblings liked NE and NYJ first, BUF after, and MIA last.

 

So each blog voted a bit differently, and some a bit generous to their own squad, but in total I think they all combined to make it look just about right. With Brady back, the 4 bloggers collectively agree NE is favored in the East (60). AFC East Champion MIA (48) is a bit behind but take the #2 spot. The Jets (45) are right above Buffalo (44) for the 3rd spot in the East.

Remember this does NOT include my rankings, if you are curious to see how the AFC East fares with all positions considered, see below....

 

AFC EAST Results: Position Points including my Rankings (QB, RB,WR, DT, LB, O-line, CB/S, ST, Coach/Intangibles)-

QB Total- NE (20), MIA (15), BUF (10), NYJ (5)

RB Total- NYJ (17), MIA (14), BUF (12), NE (8)

WR Total- NE (19), BUF (16), MIA (8), NYJ (7)

DT Total- NE (18), NYJ (14), BUF (11), MIA (9)

LB Total- MIA (18), NYJ (16), NE (10), BUF (6)

O-Line-NE/NYJ (4), MIA (2), BUF (1)

Secondary-  NYJ (4), MIA/NE (2), BUF (1)

Special Teams- BUF (4), MIA (3), NE (2), NYJ (1)

Coaching/Intangibles-  NE/MIA (4), BUF (2), NYJ (1)

GRAND TOTAL-

1st: New England Patriots- 87 position points

2nd: Miami Dolphins- 75 position points

3rd: Buffalo Bills-63 position points

4th- New York Jets- 62 position points

 

This is a ranking of ALL  the forementioned categories. This includes the 4 bloggers votes, as well as my votes, plus the added positions that the bloggers did not vote on.

The Rankings are very similar, although Buffalo fared a bit better then the Jets when all my rankings were considered. New England still held a nice lead, yet Miami held bit a cushion on Buffalo and New York.

 

That's all folks...

If you made it this far I WANT TO THANK YOU for taking the time to read it, I know it may be alot to swallow (ask Tom Brady more about that..). Also want to thank the bloggers for taking time to offer their opinions with each other in the first place and have a friendly and intelligent debate. If you enjoyed this article and analysis, please REC' it below, because I will post this link as a FanShot on all 4 AFC East Blogs and I would like this to be easy to be found on the front page. If you did not enjoy this please leave a comment for me, including if you have any other comments, questions or shout outs, but you have to be crazy to get this far and not like what you've seen. Crazy, or a jets fan.. kidding kidding, but not really

Thanks to all and let's get ready for some football and what I know will be another HEATED battle for the AFC EAST CROWN!!!

 

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solid write-up

very unbiased, congrats buddy. that was an enjoyable read. kudos on being unbiased for the OL, that couldn’t have been easy haha

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Aug 7, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

good looks

Very tough to do LOL yet it feels more rewarding to be knowledgable about something without letting your feelings make u sound like a d-bag haha. Glad u enjoyed it

Laces out!

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Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.

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by BSerious72 on Aug 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

oh yeah i agree

but it’s hard not to jock our OLine.

"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure

by chrislucas on Aug 7, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats like homework...

fun for us to read, but helluva lotta work ….passion baby!!!!..Phintastic work……

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by zero13 on Aug 7, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Dang man

that was a very solid and thourough write up. I thought you did a very good job of evaluating the other positions unbiasedly. Very good work and a good read.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 7, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Good stuff man.

Though I disagree, mostly with minor stuff, with some of it (Ko Simpson isn’t going to see the field for the Bills – Bryan Scott, Donte Whitner, and Jairus Byrd are ahead of him) – I have to say you still did a helluva job and kept it pretty unbiased.

I won’t pretend to be happy with the results (3rd or 4th, either way another no playoff season) – I’d have to admit you did a pretty fair analysis. Well done.

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by TEMSON on Aug 7, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

my bad, it’s tough to know every detail about depth chart at this stage.. esp when its not your team. Thanks for the details!

And sorry about your final ranking lol i just tried to be accurate, just think MIA fans werent too happy with our preseason analysis last yr but we sure showed everybody otherwise. I think you guys should finish above the Jets though

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 8, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, man, you really did a thorough job. Like I said, it’s too bad we’re 3rd or 4th – but I’m not going to be so homeristic as to call that unfair. Good work.

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by TEMSON on Aug 8, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice write up. You sir deserve a rec.

RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
1/2 a Phinsider Fued Point

by Rytackle on Aug 7, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

good analysis

it shows you spent some real time thinking about it due to that you get a rec…good job

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

i didnt say he was.. i said he was head honcho of our Front Office

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 8, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your entire effort became garbage the second you said Belichick cheated. You seriously lack honesty, perspective and objectivity, so how can anything you say be taken seriously?

Warm up the Duck Boats!!!

by BabeParilli on Aug 8, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Your a legendary idiot around here,

we all know how stupid you are, and we laugh about it, and then you come and post and prove your even stupider then that, bravo you have broadened the term stupid.

by uncle finster on Aug 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Uuuummmmmm

Maybe because Belichick was actually found guilty of cheating? You know, the whole fine and losing a draft pick thing? That’s how he can be taken seriously, because he was just stating the facts, not a super biased opinion like you always do.

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I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't bother trying to reason with this guy,

it is absolutely fruitless, he’s convinced it is like the Kennedy conspiracy, X-files type stuff, he is way out there.

by uncle finster on Aug 8, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I know.

I just like pointing out the flaws in his logic and then see him try and come up with something else to back it up. It leads to much hilarity.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

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by Chupathingy on Aug 8, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

LLLLLLLOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL

Well said, my bad too, forgot you have witnessed his rampant stupidity in it’s full glory, lol.

by uncle finster on Aug 8, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you see the thread on Stampede Blue

that led to him getting banned there? That one was a classic. It was a display of unsubstantiated theories and homerism the likes of which the world has not seen before.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 8, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOLOL,

I missed that one, but it’s not even surprising,

t was a display of unsubstantiated theories and homerism the likes of which the world has not seen before.
That is Effin classic :>D

by uncle finster on Aug 8, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are u kidding barilli

But I said belicheck is a great coach but he Did cheat. Any pats fan will admit it. that’s why he didn’t appeal losing their pick. I stand by my statement and you should really try and deal with the consequences before thinking it’s a conspiracy and my argument loses validity

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 8, 2009 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is a fan of the Brady, what do you expect? I see a JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets fan in the background bowing to your almighty wisdom!

Oh, you mean that Rexy turned around and knocked that fan with his belly onto his face.

Well, so the only fan here not a Phins fan that shows anyone else any respect is Temson, poor misguided soul, fan of the Bills.

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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

um.. sorry to break it to you, but BeliCHEAT did cheat, REPEDEDLY!!! Thats why you guys lost your 1st rounder last year.

um.. sorry to break it to you, but BeliCHEAT did cheat, REPEDEDLY!!! Thats why you guys lost your 1st rounder last year.it appears to me that your the one who can’t keep your perspective and objectivity here, not BSerious. (Mark this date in history, a Bills fan just deffended and Dolphin’s fan) ;-)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the birthday present! (yes it is) Damn, what is this world coming to? THREE bills fans posting here

and ALL 3 do so in a respectful composed thoughtful manner! (just because they are poor misguided lost souls doesn’t matter!) You guys are making it hard to dislike the Bills and Bills fans!

Totally unlike the JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets, Brady and Vikings fans who have posted here!

Thank you!

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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 9, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey don’t worry about it. Just because we hate the Phins doesn’t mean that we need to be disrespectfull. I can beat your poor arguments a lot better using logic then using isults ;-)

Sorry couldn’t help myself. I just find that there is no reason to be disrespectfull in a logical discussion about our teams.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

We thank you for that. JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets and Brady fans should take lessons!

BTW – Ronnie Brown is not know as injury prone. That’s why we pencil him in for the whole year as healthy and a monster! He basically had the same injury as Tommie boy/girl/whatever and the media is expecting Tommie to stand head & shoulders above the rest of the NFL this year. RB has a full season more recovery than Tommie so far. Look at how well RB did last year at less than 100%

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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 9, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I have do doubt that Ronnie is a tremendous back. I was just saying that if you expect him to have a full season, then I have no reason not to do the same with my secondary. Plus you guys forgot to factor in Rhodes in the RB’s (probably because we’ll be the only AFC East team with a 3 back system).

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

as you get up today when you head into the next room & you stop in front of a mire take a good look & say today is the first day of the rest of your life!

now if your still reading, thank the lord you still can. be perfectly sure there is a reason also for that, now babylisten up (HES EFFEN CONVICTED CHEAT). he has got no morals and by that i mean he coast his team a # 1 draft pick & pract. every coach can spit on him with a clear concense

by wild zion beaver on Aug 8, 2009 7:16 AM EDT reply actions  

very well done

rec’d!

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by el presidente 00 on Aug 8, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice

Write up. I enjoyed it. I couldn’t write something like this because I would be too much of a homer :-).

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by dolphanforever on Aug 8, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

don't know what the heck these rankings mean or amount to without a grade

have to say that the gap between brady and penningtion (4 to 3 pts) is much wider than the gap in say o-line
(4-2) or at the LB spot….

and while NE did spend some money on their secondary this year… it was so awful last year that i’m not sure how you put them on equal footing with the phins. bell, wilson, & allen are better than anyone NE has back there.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to screw up the organization or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

well your right...

the rankings are not rated so some many of the differences between points may be different than others. However, they normally will balance out and still provide a decent anaylsis of where teams stand IN RELATION to each other.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

not so sure

especially when you consider the different value to each position…

does it really matter that miami’s backs are way better than NEs when the gap between NEs QB and Miami’s is equally as large and QB is a position that has greater impact…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to screw up the organization or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 9, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a summary addup

No one is saying its a perfect rating system. Its a summary of an ordered list.

Also it isn’t Brady vs Pennington for points… It’s Brady & backups vs Pennington, Henne and White. You must admit there’s much more depth in MIA right now. That closes the gap.

by metalhead86 on Aug 13, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

understood all of this

but since miam’s back up’s have essentially the same ‘proven’ experience as NE… how do you rate either of them… plus starters is all that matter… since you don’t ever change QB’s unless the starter sucks or is injured.

that is why you have to say …. QB NE – 10 miami 5, buffalo 3, Jets 1
RB Miami 7, jets7, buffalo 7, NE 6

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 14, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

nd then if i was doing stat analysis

i’d put some sort of value/multiplier on the positions…

QB is say a 10
RB is say a 5
o-line is a 6..

(not saying these are the ratings i would use since it’s just off the top of my head … but i might)

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a really good write up

Like Temson, I dont quite agree with your analysis of the Bills secondary, I would put them first or second, but with all four teams very close together.

With Dominic Rhodes as 3rd RB i would also rank the running backs higher.

But overall a very fair comparison and the overall results are probably about right.

PS What is the big deal about Belicheck cheating? All coaches, players administrators owners etc cheat. Belicecks only sin was to get caught. I would be more upset with a coach who never cheated because it would mean he was not trying hard enough, which is paraphrasing Vince Lombardy.

Football. Bloody Hell!!

by gregeng on Aug 9, 2009 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, bellycheat DID get caught. If any other coaches are cheating, no one knows cause they haven't been caught!

Why did he think he needed to cheat? "Cause he didn’t think his team was good enough without cheating? If I was a player on The Brady at the time, I would have looked for a trade away.

There is a tremendous backlash when players are caught doing something wrong. Something having to do with character. Why not the coaches as well?

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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 9, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it was a big deal because

they really didn’t need to cheat. They won easily and had arguably one of the best teams in history. Why jeopardize it by doing something that you know is NOT ALLOWED. Just think if they would have won the SB that asterisk would have haunted them until history.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rhodes is 3rd RB for the Bills as well

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by gregeng on Aug 9, 2009 3:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I must say, increadible write up with almost no favoritism at all.

You hit the nail on the head on almost everything. I must say, this is an great piece with almost no biased what-so-ever (which, sorry to say, is impressive for a ’Phins fan).

I will disagree on two positions though. If you put a push on the RB’s based on a possible (but highly unlikely) healthy season by Ronnie Brown, then you must include Buffalo in the push as well. I’d make the argument that if you only concider the first to RB’s then yes the Bills are behind. BUT the Bills will run a 3 RB system this year with an increadibly riliable (if unspectacular) Dominic Rhodes as the third RB. Even if we lost Marshawn for the entire season, the duo of Jackson and Rhodes would be a formidable one. So with that said, I think that you (as well the Pats Pulpit) are selling Buffalo extremely short that RB. We may have (arguably) the best 1-2-3 punch in the league this year.

The second catigory that i would contend with is Buffalo’s Secondary. You placed them last. Personally i would place them second with a strong contention for first. The Bills have what is probably the best depth at secondary in the AFC east, greatly beating out both Miami and NY’s depth in this catigory. And if your bringing a possible healthy season up for Ronnie Brown as a reason to bring up Miami’s RB squad, then I must use the same argument for both Terrance McGee and Ashton Youboty for Buffalo (both of which have shown to be excellent CB’s when healthy). Add in the fact that McKelvin may very well be the second best CB in the AFC east by season’s end (behind NY’s Revis), the increadible versatilly of Donte Whitner, the addition of Draton Florence through FA, Scott’s unquestionable ability to shut down the league’s best TE’s (he did it to both Gates and Winslow last year) and the addition of a ballhawking safety inrookie Darius Byrd, then Buffalo has the best depth and overall talent at secondary in the AFC east. The only reason why we shouldn’t be first is NY’s quartette of Revis, Sheppard, Rhodes and Leonard (who combined beat out the rest of the AFC East’s starters).

Otherwise from that I must really say that I have no problems or objections with these rankings. And I will admit (much to my chagrin) that my Bills do have some catching up to do in this division, but the potential is there for a great team, as it is with every team in this division.

To the AFC East, the strongest division in the NFL.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

and the addition of a ballhawking safety inrookie Darius Byrd

Sorry that sould read Jairus Byrd, not Darius.

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

i see your beef

first off thank you man. Believe me this is harder to do than it looks, its tough to put teams over other good teams.
I really do like Buffalo’s secondary. The reason it made me easier to rank them last is because on paper the pats and fins look very similar. and i couldn’t put one above the other. I didnt mention youboty who is a sound corner. I agree with Leodis possibly being the #2 corner in the East. I wasn’t truly aware with the safety position besides Whitner until a Bills fan updated me on the position.
As for running back, as I stated you guys put alot of carries into your rb position and with your 3 guys you could very well end up being the best running game in football, but in all they are very young and I don’t think have proven themselves AS MUCH as Ricky/Ronnie and T Jones/Washington.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm… ok I’ll go ahead and (skeptically) agree with that logic. And in a way your right, even if we have the best depth (and best overall talent) in both catigories, they haven’t done anything to rank them where I wished them to be rank… yet.

Let’s hav this conversation again at the end of the seasson and see where it all gets ranked shall we?

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

interesting consept, dont strain yourself looking us up!

they have a good offenceive line, i just don’t know where it is at?

by wild zion beaver on Aug 10, 2009 5:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure if you’re giving a little too much credit to Rhodes here. Trust me, I like the guy a lot and think he will be good for us but I think you’re kind of kidding yourself if you believe there won’t be a big drop off between Lynch and him. If Lynch missed the whole season our running game would quickly turn from a strength (provided our OL can handle it) to a weakness.

Also, I think it’s much more likely that Ronnie Brown will have an injury free season then it is that Youboty will. I don’t see how anyone could honestly say otherwise.

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by TEMSON on Aug 10, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for keeping those other poor misguided souls (a/k/a Bills fans) honest! I was hoping you would comment here

so we could get the REAL skinny! Sorry for that tough one last night!

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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

good write up

Again, like the other Bills fans I do take issue with the secondary ranking as last, the Dolphins have had some secondary issues recently and I know you beefed it up but I think a little homerism eeked its way into an otherwise unbiased write up there. McGee was ranked 5th for big plays given up in regards to targets and hes solid. Plus we are very deep. I would have bumped us to first or second there.

The best thing about this division is that any team can win any game, its that competitive.

Pretty unbiased and your obviously a well informed fan. Good read

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by poz on Aug 9, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions  

i did alot of research

but theres alot i still missed. Buffalo secondary is one of them. I went with them last because of injuries/offfield issues, but as I mentioned previously, they can have the potential for the best in the AFC. Its tough to rank 1-4 so we will see after the season where they actually end up

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

at first i almose put the secondary at a 3 way tie

between NE, MIA and BUF. But didn’t want to mess up the rankings.

It’s tough to do however, as you can see above even some Miami fans are a bit riled up after me ranking them 3rd on Oline lol

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND THIS IS WHY buffalo> New york and New england lol

I’ve never really harbored the hatred for Buffalo like the other two. This is what this site is all about though, friendly debate. By Buffalo fans coming here and being polite while agreeing/disagreeing can show you that there are some intelligent people out there that actually know what they are talking about.

Once Matty gets back in town I want him to check this out though, and see what he essentially helped me create

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Aug 9, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And don’t be so surprised. We’re a good bunch over at the Rumblings (not Ramblings). In fact you guys should come over every once in a while, we always appriciate an outsider’s point of view, it keeps us honest. Just, you know, don’t turn into Pats or Jets fans that come over; i.e. keep it civil, intelligent and polite. We can disagree without insulting each other.

I’m starting to read the phinsider a bit more often too, you guys run a good page. Not as good as the Rumblings, but still a good blog ;-)

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by CanadianBillsFan on Aug 9, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, we are still rivals. Still, I like to read the phinsider…good page ;)

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by Chriz on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great work, Rec'd

It shows two things:

1. You’re passionate enough to put in the work.
2. You try to be fair.

Both good.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

cant argue with those points!

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by el presidente 00 on Aug 10, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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