Dolphins Training Camp, Day Two: Receivers and corners take center stage
The first two-a-day of the '09 training camp has come and gone down in Davie for the Dolphins. And two storylines took center stage. One centered around Matt Roth - and we'll touch on that in a minute. But first, let's talk about the battle between the receivers and cornerbacks.
COMPETITION BETWEEN RECEIVERS AND CORNERS HEATING UP
If I was in South Florida and attending camp, these battles are the ones I'd be watching closest. There's nothing like watching a receiver and a corner go at it one-on-one when their fighting for their depth chart position - or even their roster spot. On Monday, the receivers and corners got after one another - both in one-on-one drills and in team drills. So let's digest some of the developments.
In the battle between Brandon London and Anthony Armstrong, it seems like London has the early leg up. He had the highlight catch of the day yesterday. And after an early drop today, he reportedly looked very good catching the football - both over the middle and along the sidelines. He's 11 pounds slimmer and, according to the Sun-Sentinel's Mike Berardino, "less of London seems to be more." Armstrong, on the other hand, is yet to really stand out like he did during OTAs. It's early but Armstrong needs to flash at some point during the first week to keep up with London - especially considering Brandon is a major contributor on special teams as well.
Ted Ginn also reportedly had a good day on Monday. The Palm Beach Post says Ginn had beat Gibril Wilson deep for a touchdown pass from Chad Pennington. He also made an adjustment to catch a pass that was underthrown by Chad Henne, beating Tyrone Culver. And he also beat Will Allen for a 20-yard pass. But Ginn was unable to beat rookie Sean Smith during one-on-ones. Smith impressed by showing the ability to stay with Ginn step-for-step. And keep in mind the man is over 6'3. That's ridiculous when you think about it.
Davone Bess and Greg Camarillo also continued to be their steady selves. Bess got Mike Berardino to wonder if he ever drops a pass. Camarillo, meanwhile, participated fully in both practices - without a knee brace. He reportedly looks very good and it doesn't seem like the knee is hindering him at all. He beat Jason Allen deep (which is becoming a theme) and beat Will Allen on a square in. He also got by Joey Thomas for a long touchdown on Monday.
But I just brought up both "Allens" - so let's touch on them. Omar Kelly said Will Allen "dominated" during one-on-one drills. Edgar Thompson also raved about Will, referring to some "blanket coverage" on Camarillo's slant pattern. Allen also had an interception in the morning session - which prompted some to wonder why quarterbacks even throw to Will's side in practice. He's looked that good.
On the other hand, Jason Allen has struggled. Jas was beaten badly twice - once by Camarillo (who was reportedly five yards beyond Allen) and once by Bess on a comeback route. Bess also beat Allen for a long TD on a double-move during one-on-ones by Bess. But it's not just that Allen was getting beat. On one play, Allen was lined up wrong, causing Will Allen to stop the play and get Jason in the right position. Once he did that, though, it didn't help. Ernest Wilford badly beat Jason but was overthrown by Chad Henne. And to top it off, Patrick Turner actually blocked Jason Allen so badly he actually "lifted Allen's feet off the ground" - according to the team's official site.
I know all of you Jason Allen lovers will continue to defend him. But let's face the facts - he just doesn't seem to have what it takes to cut it at this level. Jason is officially "on notice" - don't be surprised to see him given the ax when cuts come around if he doesn't drastically improve.
THE MATT ROTH CONTROVERSY
We touched on this yesterday for a moment, but this saga is getting interesting. Here's what we know. We know that Roth failed the conditioning test given to every player over the weekend - resulting in Matt getting placed on the PUP list. Roth then met with Tony Sparano to discuss what happened. Roth claimed he was feeling "ill" in two separate meeting with Sparano. Then on Sunday night, Drew Rosenhaus said on TV that Roth was actually suffering from a groin injury - something that has plagued him for a lot of his career it seems.
Blood tests came back negative on Monday for any kind of illness. So now it's very possible that Roth does have a groin injury. According to Armando Salguero, Sparano is "upset" with Roth and thinks Matt might have lied to him two different times about this situation. Sparano and Roth were also scheduled to sit down and talk for a third time on Monday evening. So we should expect this situation to come to a head on Tuesday when Tony meets with the media. It's unknown at this point if Roth will also talk to the media on Tuesday.
But Sparano, in between Monday's two practices, told the media the following:
"I believe Matt Roth when Matt Roth is telling me that he is sick. This groin thing ... it is the first time I have heard of it. We are going to investigate it, but I have been told on two different occasions that it is an illness. [A groin injury] is not what I was told was the reason for the performance [in the conditioning test] that I saw [Sunday]."
With Sparano having publicly come out and declare his trust in Roth, things could get ugly for Matt if it turns out he did lie. We know Tony will be very angry if a player of his lied twice to his face. Now making him look like a bit of a fool in the media by providing what might turn out to be false info is only going to get Roth deeper in Sparano's dog house.
Meanwhile, Jason Taylor has been stepping up his game as he gets accustomed to playing the strongside in Miami's 3-4 defense. Some reports raved about Jason beginning to look like the Jason of old. And if that's the case, Roth is really going to want to clear this up as soon as possible and then get back on that field. Every opportunity he gives Taylor is just another opportunity for JT to make a case to either start at Roth's spot or severely cut into Matt's playing time.
But let's not down play this and just think Taylor could come in and replace Roth with ease. Roth was very good at stopping the run last year. By late in the year, teams wouldn't even run at Roth's side because of how effective he was at setting the edge and making plays on the ball carrier. Taylor was never great at defending the run and, at his age, likely is nowhere near as effective as Roth is at it. So having Roth and Sparano work this out - and getting Matt back on the field - is very important.
UP NEXT
The Dolphins have two practices again tomorrow - at 9 am and 5 pm.
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Turner looks awesome!
And i can’t wait to hear how taylor fits in
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 4, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions
Mabey we will trade Roth?
i never really thought about it…
i mean hes a great player and all but…
With this LIEING news and all the depth we have
He could get us an early draft pick?
THIS IS JUST A THOUGHT!!!
wooohooo a 6th round pick!!! lets stockpile them!
I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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I have no doubt that a bunch of “Roth haters” will immediately wanting to replace Roth with JT. Just relax, I think all of this will work out and we’ll see what happens. Obviously JT still has some skill and that’s a good thing but it wont be that easy to keep Roth on the sideline. I just know one thing, after hearing Sparano, Roth better hurry and get his ass out there on the field.
That’s some pretty sad reports about Jason Allen a 4-year vet getting knocked around like that is pretty humiliating.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Im NOOOOO Roth Hater!!!
i love roth but could we get a player better then roth if we trade for picks????
I had it typed before you posted yours.
So, like I said, relax. ;)
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
trade roth, trade roth!
for Boldin!
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
package him, cp and a 5th. Get it done trifecta!
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i saw that about JA
this is it for him… he may not make it through camp
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade Lefty!!!
BOOOO!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
This is by far the most hilarious comment I have read in the past month. AussieKen I know you arent from Australia but you are the best fricken Kangaroo lover I know.
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Thanks, man.
lol!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Roth
What does that mean, “his blood tests came back negative for any kind of illness” ?
I heard Sparano say that but I mean there is no such thing as a blood test that measures every possible kind of illness or even most for that matter. Maybe they had an idea based on symptoms he described of something to look for but that would be just a starting point.
This is all a little weird as Roth is not the kind of guy in the past to come in out of shape, etc and has played through some nasty injuries.
The other weird thing is that this is a contract year and Rosenhaus is his agent and shouldn’t be broadly announcing any groin injuries to the media unless it helps his client and I don’t see how this does. If I were Roth, I’d fire Drew.
Matt Roth
I am going to bring up a view of this that people may not have visited. Sparano said that Roth signed a statement saying he wasn’t sick or hurt, then failed the conditioning test. Then he supposedly had an illness, so they sent him for a test… the test came back negative…. Then his agent says that he had a groin injury…Sparano said they would investigate that… Maybe he just came to camp a little bit out of shape and couldn’t pass the conditioning test… Conditioning is everything and Sparano is not going to put up with anyone being out of shape… he doesn’t really want excuses… he failed the test.. he went on the physically unable to perform list.
Great news about Sean Smith......
If this dude can keep up with Ginn one-on-one, then i don’t see any reason why he can’t neutralize Randy Moss, T.O., etc….I also like to hear that the sensei can throw a mean block
Or be our #1 CB
Sean is doing something Will fail to do ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
Clear this up for me please...
I just saw on Phins.com ( http://phins.com/tc09/TC_090803-2.php ) that Ginn toasted Smith on one play yesterday morning. That sounds different than what I read here.
Anybody have more info? Thanks!
Check out Armando's article:
Near the beginning it give all the CB and WR battles. Interesting.
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2009/08/doings-for-the-dolphins-on-tues-evening.html
Jason 'Burnt Toast' Allen
Should have been out of here more than a year ago. I think he has incriminating pics of the Tuna to have lasted this long…and probably of Saban for drafting him in first round…
Wide right again! Another graduate of the Norwood school for problematic kickers.....
ya boy
couple things stood out to me on this article that jump up out my bed. with my swag on and soulja boy suck lol
1.Bess got Mike Berardino to wonder if he ever drops a pass.
i wonder myself. keep up the good work Bess
2.Bess also beat Allen for a long TD on a double-move during one-on-ones by Bess.
Bess willnot be stop and cant be stop. dude gonna put some numbers this year for us. look out west welker.
3.Ginn had beat Gibril Wilson deep for a touchdown pass from Chad Pennington.
He also made an adjustment to catch a pass that was underthrown by Chad Henne, beating Tyrone Culver.
And he also beat Will Allen for a 20-yard pass.
my man
my fav of all but Ginn was unable to beat rookie Sean Smith during one-on-ones. Smith impressed by showing the ability to stay with Ginn step-for-step. And keep in mind the man is over 6’3. That’s ridiculous when you think about it.
let me think about it……..
yea thats ridiculous dude is a freak what a steal and im telling you man, he well be a pro bowler before his time..
and never like jason allen————→ the exit
wheres vontae in this article
and shout out to patrick tuner our red zone threat.

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