Weekend Poll: How confident are you in Chad Henne as the long-term solution at QB?
by Matty I on Aug 29, 2009 1:00 AM EDT
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PrintIt's time to stir the pot. Why? Because it's fun to do - and because there's certainly reason to do so.
Every Dolphins fan would clearly like to believe that Chad Henne is indeed the team's future franchise quarterback. Love him or hate him, I don't see any reason why a true Dolphins fan wouldn't want Henne to become a star and solve the long-term QB problem in Miami.
But since last September, we've really only seen one solid showing out of Henne. And that was during garbage time of a blow-out loss to the Arizona Cardinals last year - the 22nd ranked pass defense in 2008. In that game, Henne completed 7 of 12 passes for 67 yards on his lone drive which resulted in a touchdown run by Ronnie Brown. Henne should have actually had a TD pass - but Ronnie dropped the pass from Henne. Regardless, he did lead a TD drive.
But in the 2009 preseason, Henne has been a bit of a disappointment. He's shown he does have a very strong arm. But he's been inaccurate with his throws, has been caught staring down his receivers, has held on to the ball too long at times, and has made some terrible decisions. His numbers this preseason aren't great, either. He's completed 19 of 35 passes (54%) for 224 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions - resulting in a QB rating of 69.2.
More importantly, though, is the fact that I haven't seen anything out of Chad Henne to convince me that he is indeed the long-term answer at quarterback. Some fans are convinced that Henne is going to be a star. I just don't see it right now. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not saying he's not going to be good, either. I am just yet to see what so many other fans claim to see out of Henne that makes them think that not only is he going to be great, but that he should be starting right now.
And that leads me to our weekend poll. Do you feel that Chad Henne is the Dolphins' long-term solution at quarterback? Are you confident that Henne will end up being at least a very solid starting quarterback? Vote in the poll and then leave your comments below...
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Agreed
I don’t see it either. He just doesn’t give off the vibe that the game changing QBs do, and I’ve felt that way about him from the start. I fear we will waste a lot of time finding out that at best he’ll be a Scott Mitchell type.
I have to say this..
Im hoping Henne is the answer and the QB god we have been looking for. I hope he has the brains and wits of CP10 with the arm of Marino. HOWEVER I have not seen him live up to either of those high standards. I believe that he can be as smart as CP10 and have the bomb of an arm that Marino had.. however he needs to mount a scope to that arm soon. I wonder if allot of it is nerves? It has to be hard to come out and KNOW how to deal/play at the level of the players in the NFL. This is why I still believe that another season of practice and learning the ins and outs of the NFL is going to be a key to his development. Some think that playing time will be the only way he will get better. I dont think its all about playing time. You have to KNOW what your looking at when you step up under center. You have to know all of the plays in the back of your head on offense and defense. That has to be hard as hell. I still believe he can pull this off and become an above average to pretty good QB eventually. WIll he be our next Marino? Im not sold on that yet.. but I still like the guy.
Now.. when the other option is Pat White? Well as far as what I have seen so far he is not the answer were searching for. Again, that is based on the limited plays I have seen so far and videos from college n such that I found on You Tube. Yes in college he did well, however college and the NFL are not even on the same planet if compaired. Id love to see White come out and show me he is calm… collected.. confident.. able to get the snap and find an open receiver and if not then run till the cows come home. I just dont see this yet. I see a kid who still in in the college mindset doing what he was coached to do (since becoming a qb) which is run first.. pass if the run is not there. That never works out in the long run in the NFL. Running is a HUGE asset to have in a QB and one that can run like Pat White is the holy grail of what every team wants. But the QB who can run like White can also has to be able to throw the ball like Manning, Palmer, Brady, ect ect.. and so far I do not see that in Mr White.. hopefully after he gets more comfortable we will see that side of him as I have read he was a heck of a passer (when he passed) in college.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect the man
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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OK. it does make 1 worry.
I don’t blame you for stirrin it up after all we’ve read about “Hanging Chad” bein the answer. The temptation is there for all of us.
Truth is though, that even if CP10 had looked as bad as Henne this preseason I would still believe CP10 is the guy. I said that to say that even though Henne has looked bad I don’t think he is that bad.
When the O line is finished gellin, either of our QB’s will have lots o chances for success. Our system, with the Wildcat, and all our sure handed recievers, and R & R & P Cobbs, a QB doesn’t have to be a superstar. With practice and CP10 as mentor ( in case of injury only) I think he has the tools to run the show. IMO
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however
i did vote no. he may not be our long-term best answer.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four.
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me to but...
this guyz got potential. by the end of the year will c him at hiz best… or worse. CP10 aint the answer either fellaz
by bigphinlilphinalldolfinz on Aug 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most Phans agree that CP10 isn't "the answer"
But I think he is the best solution we have for right now. We may not solve the puzzle with CP10 behind center, but we will get all of the edges built and get a lot closer than we were…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
true ndeed
start Henne next game let CP rest WIN one for Henne
by bigphinlilphinalldolfinz on Aug 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reason CP10 isn't "the answer"
is due to his age. If he were 27, I’d say he was.
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I would probably agree with that
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 30, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
few points in his favor
he’s only taken %5 of the first team snaps in camp… not a good indicator.
below average PT for the #2… for all the PR earlier about this camp being about training Henne so that he can take over by 2010 game 1 they staff really hasn’t given him much PT… he’s had below aver snap counts in the preseason games for a number 2 let alone one in “training”.
he’s working or has been workign with 2 rookies on the 2nd teamers and there has been a number of misses that count on him – that looked to me to be rookies running the wrong route… say game 1 turner jumping on and then dropping a ball intended for hartline… that have dragged down his numbers.
serious pressure on him most games…. lets be honest the 2nd o-line is really substandard… there aren’t and haven’t been very many starting caliber players on it… the garners are practice squad guys. berger is a career back up… alleman and EK well the fact that they didn’t make it to this weekends cut down…. and these are the guys who are blocking for him in practice and in the games… and at least in practice the defenses 2nd are starting caliber players.
finally QB’s need actual PT – (see my fan post from the mannings) before they’ll get better and Henne just hasn’t had any…
btw: you do fail to note that his footwork is serioiusly better then last year. he’s a great play action guy and he makes those 10 yard outs with pretty good acuracy and velocity.
give him some PT and we’ll see where he is at the end of the year…
my biggest fear is that the team will get ahead of him on the development arc and will have to wait for him to catch up if he doesn’t get say 6-8 games in this year… kind of like how GB got dropped from a SB contender to 5-11 because they never gave rodgers any PT.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
Aaron Rodgers is the reason GB went 5-11?
Yeah – I’ll disagree with that. It was the defense in GB that cost them – not Rodgers. He was outstanding last year.
i can see rodgers being omne the best qb's in the leauge this year
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GB fans or at least the ones
that watched all their games…. say otherwise…. most of his stats came against a couple of bad teams (detroit) and he disappeared in the 4th quarter and played terrible in big games…
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
None of that had to do with Ryan Grant's
lingering injury that caused his subpar performance last year? I think quite a bit of it did.
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I think you are right on on most of your points, and I think that ,with you and Neo
and the guys that are pro-Henne, your point is that the organization has to give Henne a real chance to play and find out if he can be the quarterback of the future, so that when the team is ready to be a serious contender, we have a young, physically gifted QB for years to come and we dont have to set the franchise back a couple of years while finding a QB or choosing to go with endless journymen like we did in the past. However, I also think that you are standing up for the organization and the team going young and looking to the future, instead of specifically just declaring that Henne is the real deal and a future HOF. The problem that I see here, is that just as we could set the franchise back by giving Pennington the starting job and keeping Henne on the bench, we could also set the franchise back even worse if we declare Henne a great QB before he proofs himself and loose 3 or 4 years of irregular or mediocre play with him under center just because we couldn’t correct the course of the ship when we had the chance just because we were blindly rooting for a fresh start. Don’t tell me there is not a good chance that Henne will never live up to our expectations. What makes us believe that he will be any better that Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Brady Quinn, Alex Smith or JP Losman, all of them high first round picks.
My opinion about Henne, is that after almost two complete off seasons with increased playing time on the last one, has yet to show he is fully capable of excelling at the mental aspect of the game; gun slinger like decisions when throwing the ball, looking down receivers, locking on 1 receiver, fumbling the ball at the snap, and being unable to successfully run the 2 minute drill, which is the situation where both physical abilities and intelligence + poise come together.
Yes, the point of giving him more snaps with the first team and overall playing time in real game situations is valid, however, it is not a guarantee that he will make a huge progression. There are guys that show a lot of promise because of their physical abilities but can never take that step forward, even with all the playing time you mention. Just look at Brady Quinn right now.
Now, The thing about next season though, is that I really doubt the front office will just hand anybody a starting job, much less the QB, without making him earn it. Much less if we have a good enough season under Pennington. If Henne does not outplay Pennington next offseason and Pat White starts to develop nicely for the future I could see a controversy.
If this year if we develop a fierce defense plus a bruising running attack while Pennington keeps doing his thing on and off the field, Henne will have to proof he is worth running Pennington out of town.
Im a CP10 but also wish Henne all the success in the world.
good post mau
couple of points … i don’t think there is anyone or any reasonal person rounder here saying that Henne will be a quality QB… nope i agree 100% that no matter how long he sits or how much he plays is going to change those odds… the characteristic that the brady’s, mannings, & the rivers/breese’s have that the young’s linehart’s haven’t shown is an ability to learn and progress as a starter(read as work hard to overcome their weaknesses)… bradys is a heck of a lot better today then he was 5 years ago. So we’ll never know if Henne will be able to make that progression or not until he plays… Sparano says Henne has complete command of the offense now. he has a great QB coach and an expienced OC… so with that in mind there is no reason – other then unrealistic expectations about how far penne
can lead the team….
but to get back to the main point the team isn’t championship caliber yet and isn’t it better to determine if Henne IS a QB to build around now when the team is building then instead of when the team is ready…
now we all know the team is going to start penne, but there should be more of a focus on getting Henne ready to take over (like sparano promised back in april) in stead of the below average amount of work he is getting?
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I completely agree,
and now I get why you guys have been pushing this so far, I haven`t said this before because I would be of the idea of , if managing to stay healthy this season, building this team around Pennington for 5 years to come, develop White and trade Henne or keep him on the bench as insurance. Thus I would have conducted this off season just as they did, like you say, giving Pennington 99% of 1st team snaps and so on. But I would have donde this only because I would be planning on Pennington being my guy for the long run so all of it would make sense. HOWEVER, this is not the case with this franchise, THEY have already said that Henne is their guy of the future so why do they not act like it. Just as you say, if they think Penne can take us to the super bowl this season then cool go with him, but act accordingly and say he is your guy for the long run, if that is not the case ( just like it seems it isn`t) then why keep wasting time with a caretaker at the helm while your young qb can only progress or proof himself on real game situations with the first team, and worse of all, let this happen while the rebuilding process is one year from being finished and the team can be a real contender…. with a rookie qb at the helm? No way. Even Rodgers, after sitting for 3 years, last year wasn´t fully ready to go and get them to the Super Bowl (besides the erratic defensive play), but how about now? He probably is, why? because he got one good year of playing time and it was on the field where he corrected those mistakes and matured a lot , not on the bench.
This regime really needs to take a decision on wether CP or Henne is their guy, and start acting like it, because its not fair for either any one of them, or us.
Mau, u just write it down...
but didnt read between the line. This regimen is NOT sold on Henne, thats why they drated another QB. Henne have not make any progress whit e the 2nd unit. This regiment will NOT give any position, Henne has done nothing to deserve been in the 1st unit. He cannt hadle the 2nd unit, can not connect with those wr, how in hell will he do it with the 1st unit.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
I have the same opinion on Henne, I'd go with CP all the way
however, I have a problem with how this regime is handling this. As you say and like ny and i pointed out before, THEIR actions during this off season suggest that this is Pennignton’s team and that Henne is going to have to wait. But thats it, they have never said that Henne is going to have to win the QB job from Pennington next season. They have always said that Henne is their guy and Sparano is always saying how he loves Henne and all the progress he is making and bla bla. So my point is, either they put Henne in this season 09 and let him proof himself while the team is still very young, or they declare there will be a fair and open QB comptetition next off season bewtween CP10 and Henne. But not just expect that after this season Penne will take the clipboard and Henne will magically be ready to go. Then what? He starts making mistakes like any other first time qb and the fans start asking for Pennington, plus also his teammates because they already be a very solid team. So finally , my point is, if they are going to arbitrarily hand someone the starting job, lets do it now while the team is still young and the expectations low, but if not, make him earn it and if he can’t outplay Pennington then give Chad10 a good extension and build around him.
Last night doesn't concern me about Henne because hardly anyone played well
IMO, one way or another, I think we’re going to see a lot of Henne this season.
As much as I loved the job Pennington did last season, we can’t ignore his history of erratic play and injuries after good seasons.
Frankly, there’s a reason why Pennington has won TWO comeback player awards. Lots of big ups and downs during his career.
I expect Henne to make at least 3-4 starts this season. We’ll have a much better idea what they have in Henne by the end of the season.
I’m a diehard Michigan fan, so I watched every single game of his college career (Long’s too, for that matter). There’s a reason why he was a four-year starter.
I can’t guarantee he’ll be a top echelon QB in the NFL, but he’ll at least be a solid one who sticks around for awhile.
what did Henne do at Michgan?
They didnt when anything while he was there…Thats not the nfl either.
Michigan didn't win with Tom Brady, either
But that hasn’t stopped him in the NFL.
Like Henne, Brady’s best game as a Wolverine was his very last – the Orange Bowl against Alabama. Henne had his best game against Florida in the Outback Bowl (Carr’s last game).
The reason they didn’t win had more to do with Carr than it did with Henne. Michigan has always had a ton of talent and always seemed to fall short of expectations for the exception of 2006.
Those teams were far too talented to lose 3-5 games a season.
things to think about
what IF CP10 had the arm of henne, then this would be moot, right?
also
what IF chad henne is just a bridge to pat white?
by jazztrumpeter89 on Aug 29, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions
What if
Pat white was hired just in case the wildcat continues to be succesful. I do recall an article cannot remember where, but it was talking about Parcells leaving his mark on the NFL. The person said something along the lines of maybe this is Parcells masterpiece – a reborn or new formation to last for years to come – obviously he can’t be given the credit to the formation as he isn’t even coaching anymore, but he is building this masterpiece!
by usnavydolphan on Aug 29, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont c it!
Sorry guys! I really wanted Henne to be the future, but he is not!
Even in Michigan, he stumble.
He might be a good back up QB, but that isnt certain either.
Pat White, i c more future on him than Henne and im not saying he will be our future, but He has the arm strengh and a lot more mobility. Maybe the coaching staff can do a offense friendly to his attributes. Henne has the O made to his and he is strugling badly.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
A friend of mine told me yesterday..
You have drafted 2 qb’s in a row, that might meant that ur coaching staff is not sold on Henne!
My friend has a point, maybe the coaching staff is moving in another direction and if Henne doesnt develop soon, he will be trade.
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
make that 3 in a row
don’t forget about becky…
but white isn’t an every down QB, he’s a role player…. if everyone wants to roll off the henne bandwagon because he had one bad game then white should be in trouble because he hasn’t even had a good series yes.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Henne has been in the team
for a year now and nothing to show for with the 2nd unit
If he can not make it with the second unit, what make u think he will do better with the 1st team?
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Isn't it a bit early to say that White is absolutely not an every down QB?
I think it is.
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i voted no
its just hard to be confident in him right now. and aleta makes a great point. after drafting pat white, perhaps the trifecta isnt so in love with him either.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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My feelings have not changed about Henne.
After this season I’d like to see him get an off season to prepare as the starter and I think he’ll do fine. Pennington will be good but he wont be perfect. He will have some bad games and bad throws and I wont be calling for his head.
Henne will get his chance soon enough – Right now I’m with Pennington all the way.
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Game Time mistakes
The kid will be fine – WHEN HE GETS HIS CHANCE – for now its CP10! Not even sure if we will just cut ties if CP has another good season. Anyway Henne will be fine when he eventually starts – sure he will make mistakes, but we can’t expect him to go in and play like a veteran. He will need to make game time mistakes that he can build and learn from. Lets not criticize a guy who has yet to play at the high speed pace this game really is. Surely he will be overwhelmed, but as the game does for most young players, it will slow down in time.
I want him to succeed, even though he went 0-4 against Ohio State........just say'n......
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Aug 29, 2009 6:51 AM EDT reply actions
must i say it again?????
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yes yes sam
we know….pat white.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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good, just checking
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I am reminded
of Marino when Henne gets under center. When the t.v. camera angle is from behind the defensive line and your looking right at the quarterback. When his face is all red and sweaty I swear they look simalar.
Anyway, I digress, I have a feeling that being second team is actually hurting Henne’s progression. I doubt that if he was in actual games he wouldn’t be looking down his receivers so long. The familiarity with players and plays in practice could be bringing on a sense of familiarity and complacency.
I can tell you I have a lot more hope in Henne than I do in White. I see White following more of a Reggie Bush role. Put Henne in, after the last 2 preseason games, I don’t see us making a big run at the playoffs this year anyway. Get the kid some real game experience and lets see if he can really do it or not.
I'm going to have to agree with Aleta here.
It’s pretty funny that people claim Pennington can’t bring us deep into the playoffs after only one season… where he led us into the playoffs with a young team that had yet to gel fully. Interesting.
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The sky is not falling - relax
Chad Henne is no different than any other QB coming into a game with and against the first team players for the first time. I was at the Cardinals game last year (awful for a Dolphins fan) and CH looked very poised when he played. I know the Cardinals had the game well under control, but they were trying to keep Miami from scoring. CH played very well in that situation.
Much may depend on next year's draft.
Parcell’s would have no problem trading his grandma if he saw his kinda QB (or LT for that matter). White looks too much like a wildcat only guy. His size is gonna hurt him and lots of running will ensure a short career. If he stays cheap he might hang around.
If Henne doesn’t take over sometime this season he’ll probably end up being caretaker till someone else gets picked.
And Favre will probably be available late next preseason.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
lmfao
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Being that this is just a snap-shot moment in time...
… and taking a vote based only on “we” have seen or heard, I voted no. Be that as it may, “we” have no idea what the trifecta have in mind concerning this topic.
Are they confident enough to NOT sign CP10 to an extension this season? If they do, for how long will they sign him?
I’m reminded to think of Marino when he was getting ready to start… who were the receivers he was working with? And it gets me to think… who are the receivers Henne is working with now and will in the near future?
I have four questions and there are many more, I’m sure, before we as fans can determine who the team’s future is at quarterback. In a moment in time, the answer begs a “no” based on what we have so far… but what doe sthe team have in plan for the near future… a transition plan… a wait and see where the team is in mid November and December… or is the plan set for next year, period?
As a fan, I’m excited for all of this… with hope and aspirations for great glory on the greatest team ever… The Miami Dolphins!!!
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by krempmasterflash on Aug 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
but since we probably won't get him
I’m still on the Henne bandwagon.
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by krempmasterflash on Aug 29, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Tebow
Just read an article about the longevity of the wildcat. They mentioned Tebow as potential to run the wildcat and I was like damn that would be the perfect guy. Too bad we already have White for that. Plus CH will eventually be The Man in Miami despite peoples concerns. Until then lets all just sit back and enjoy the CP train!
by usnavydolphan on Aug 29, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
I am a proud member of the lets f*ing win now bandwagon – not sure if it already exists. If not I am officially starting the lets stop worrying about the future and win now bandwagon!
by usnavydolphan on Aug 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i'll hop on that bandwagen
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on the teboew bandwagen
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Tebow???your joking right?
Tim Tebow will be next on that long list of QBs from the gators that fall flat on thier faces in the nfl….He might make a decent backup rb….Tim Tebow PLEASE…
i say make him a fullback
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Henne will be good, but not now
How long did it take for steve young? or Tony Romo? Aaron Rodgers or even Matt Cassel? All these really good QBs took time to develop their minds and see the game at the QB position. And whats the key similarity between all these QBs?? They have a proven QB playing in front showing how its done. IMO The Phins should resign CP10 for at least one more year if not two and let him know his role as Henne’s coach. And by the time CP10 is either gone or ineffective Henne should be ready go.
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It's simple for me
Until he proves it on the field, I can’t be confident he’s the future.
I like him. I think he has a great chance to be a great QB for us, but I can’t feel confident.
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I feel the same way about every unproven guy on the roster
Everyone is so quick to anointe anyone who they hear is performing in training camp.
Another thing is everyones blind faith in whatever the Trifecta does is the right move. As if there tenure in the league has been nothing but success and gem findings.
Im a die hard fan but Im not ready to sub out proven talent because a guy plays well against his own team or against preseason 2nd-3rd teams.
Pat White's not our future
He’s just in it for our Wildcat system. I think he’s physically a Doug Flutie kinda guy with unique scrambling ability and a pretty good arm. Henne, I think, will be our future and although I would have jumped on Ryan rather than Jake Long, we had no idea how that would have turned out. Hindsight’s 20/20.
If we’re, say, out of serious playoff contention by week 10 or 11 (God forbid) and CP10 has taken us up to that point, I say we put Henne in for the last few weeks and make our final assessment after he faces some major defensive talent. Our draft decisions for ’10 would be much clearer.
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by PhearThePhinzz on Aug 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
Henne is not the answer
I,ve heard so much about how strong his arm is….but what good is a strong arm if you cant hit open receivers…and he has been playing against the 2nd and 3rd string defenses.They picked the wrong future QB…He sucks
This kid
needs some time with the first team, getting comfortable with the line and receivers in game situations. I would say after 3 or 4 game he would settle in and get more famaliar with everyone in game situations.
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The answer to this question remains, for me at least,
a big question mark and unknown.
One can read a bit too much into the preseason as a sole metric for a QB’s readiness. There are issues of who is out there on the field with them (starters vs. backups), timing with receivers, and the general slopiness that most preseason games have.
We can certainly say Henne has not been convincing this preseason. I doubt anyone would argue that.
Ultimately though, we won’t know until he’s out behind center in a real live, meaningful situation during the regular season.
And given CP’s injury history, that may happen sooner than later.
The dolphins FO has seemingly banked the future on Henne but we’ll see if they hedge their bets with either another young player or some role for CP.
well said
this poll is totally premature. How can we ask this question about a QB who hasn’t even started 1 regular season game. Always mixing and matching players when he plays agains’t (and with) some peeps that will be pumping gas in a few weeks.
You can’t answer this question by a few preseason games and a little gargbage time last year.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
Yes you can.
Just because he hasn’t played in much reg season action doesn’t mean you personally have no opinion on Henne.
The question is very simple. Are YOU PERSONALLY confident that Chad Henne will be our long-term QB solution? I don’t see how this is premature. Are you saying that individuals aren’t allowed to form opinions from what they’ve seen with their own eyes? That’s all this is.
Think of it this way. A buddy of yours (who isn’t a Dolphin fan) comes up to yo with one million dollars says this: “Hey Neo, I found this guy who wants to make a bet with me for a million dollars. I need your help. If we win, we’ll split the money. The question if ‘Will Chad Henne be a good starting QB in this league?’”
So what would you tell your friend right now? Would you make him bet on “yes” or bet on “no”? That’s all I’m asking. It’s not rocket science. It’s gauging personal opinion.
SLAP!
Well said!
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well said
great poll… a lot of people have been really “whiny” on phinsider lately. idk y. a lot of undeserved criticism.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
The can have their on opinions. You know I’m all for having opinions. I just saying I don’t think we have much to judge on.
Going by what the coaches say, I would tell my friend yes. But have I seen Henne go out with the same (especially 1st teamers) guys say 3 straight games to get in a little rhythm and chemistry and see what he can do? no.
As much as I want to say o yea, he’s the guy, I can’t. I don’t know what he can do.
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- Job 13:5
meaning your not confident
so your answer is no.
meaning this post is not premature because you already have your answer.
Are you confident that Chad Henne is the franchise’s long-term QB solution?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so your answer is no
not true, I have faith in Parcells and Sparano, and they say yes,
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- Job 13:5
I don’t know what he can do.
thats means YOU are not confident in him as the long-term solution at QB.
question was not is do u have faith in parcells and sparano… who btw have not said that they themselves are confident that henne is the long term solution
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No
That means I don’t know if I have confidence in him or not.
who btw have not said that they themselves are confident that henne is the long term solution.
They have done nothing but rave about Henne.But how do they know he is the long term solution or not when he hasn’t played?
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- Job 13:5
If the trifecta R confident on Henne..
Why we draft another QB in the 2dn round? and dont tell me that it is because of the wildcat. The Wildcat might be part of it but not everything on this pick!
The Trifecta is NOT that confident on his abilities and he is showing why they r not confident.
A QB need to show more than a loud voice in the pocket, he need to show that he know how to read D’s, went u trough Ints where nobody is, or get sopply, thats a matter of concern.
Why in HELL u need to be with the 1st team went u play like crap with the 2nd unit? If CAN NOT conect with the 2nd stringers, what make u think u will with the 1st?
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I'm sorry how long have you been in the dark
Henne had a bad game. Guess what, the entire offense had bad game. All units. 3 points in 1 half. How how many 1st downs did we get before that final draft?
Lets look how he has done this preseason:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=4684&sport=Nfl
Here is a couple quotes you should read out of there after you sober up:
NFL.com’s Pat Kirwan notes from training camp that the entire Dolphins organization realizes this is Chad Pennington’s team.
Pennington isn’t looking over his shoulder at Chad Henne, and won’t miss action this year barring injury or an unexpectedly long losing streak. That said, Kirwan says Henne is “really developing as a QB,” and he will be “very ready” when the Dolphins turn to him in 2010.Source: NFL.com
Chad Henne has had a mostly up-and-down training camp, but is “clearly miles ahead” of rookie quarterback Pat White.
Source: Miami Herald
Please give me some sources where the trifecta isn’t sold on Henne and anywhere it is written that tey are not gonna turn the tream over to him in 2010.
Any information would be helpful. Ty.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
They've put their faith in the guy...
that much we know. And if they let CP walk after this year, then all the chips will be on Henne.
From what I’ve seen of him – and like you guys, that means preseason + cardinals game in mopup last year – I don’t have a definitive feeling yet.
There are guys out there, like say Brohm in GB who clearly are inspiring zero confidence despite his draft status (comparable to Henne). Where others are being handed the job, ala Sanchez. Henne seems to be somewhere in between – I can’t say he’s totally over his head but he also is not impressing.
His 2nd round status, arm strength, and time behind CP are all assets. Though his best weapon right now is likely the faith the dolphins FO is showing.
Neo!! about been sober
Dont get what have anything to do with what i said. As 4 ur info fron sources(?) that makes me laught a lot, maybe im still drunk ; )
U know better than ur sources that the Trifecta will not let anyone whats going on, so thats why we make guest on what happen and the action they made. Ur sources r as good as anyone here saying the same, cause those r guest too ; )
I just ask a question "if they r so confident on Henne, why the need to draf another qb(2nd pick) in the draft?, ur sources fail to explain that. Like ESPN, they will say that we drafted PW just 4 the Wildcat lol Again, everyone here knows that the Trifecta like guys that can do MORE than one thing, they r not gona make a pick 4 just 1 PLAY.
Neo, wana a beer? ; )
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Your talkin' like the Beav...
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 30, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Never saw that program! sorry!
but great that u remember something from my writing ; )
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i was just thinking that
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Personally
I think it could be pure genius. Maybe they have all the faith in the world in Henne but everyone knows its nothing is a certain. So the they draft White. Either way they win.
If Henne is the QB they are looking for, they have white for a quality backup, a wr, a WC option, or maybe even trade bait.
If he isn’t, well then they would have another quality QB prospect who had a chance to sit/learn/ watch the game for a couple of years.
Anyway you look at it, they win.
Now about that beer.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
I will send u a 6 of Medallas..
Thats a great puertorrican beer, send me an email with ur address. I will send it to u ; )
Ps U will luv it, btw Medalla mean Medal. The beer won a medal on those word beer contest and they didnt have a name for it, so the put that name to it, true story.
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nice
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i saw whoaaaaaaaa buddy lets lay out exactly what "good" means lol
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I'm confident that we have our QB of the future.
Whether it’s Chad Henne, Pat White, or even if it means keeping CP10 around for the next 3 or 4 years.
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and it;s white
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As of today...
samdaman, it will say AMEN to that! ; )
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thank you!
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Wow...
Good poll Matty. I’m really surprised by most of the answers.
I don’t know if it’s a wild abandonment of the Henne bandwagon, or if it is a case of people just being realistic that we don’t realy know what the team has in Henne.
Interesting…
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Patience is vital. Let’s have some.
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YOU KNOW ALOT OF PEOPLE SAID THE VERY SAME THING ABOUT TOM BRADY. HE DID NOT HAVE A QB TYPE BODY , HE WAS TO LANKY, DID NOT HAVE A GOOD ARM (AT LEAST HENNE HAS A ROCKET LAUNCHER YEAH I KNOW HE HAS TO FINE TUNE IT BUT IT IS ALOT MORE THAN BRADY WHEN HE CAME OUT) AND HE DID NOT DO ANYTHING WHEN HE WAS THE STARTING QB AT MICHIGAN AND LOOK AT HIM NOW. GIVE THE GUY A BREAK AND LET HIM PROVE HIMSELF BEFORE ALL OF YOU START PUTTING HIM DOWN. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS GUY UNTIL HE IS OUT THERE WHEN IT COUNTS.
I don't think everyone is trying to put him down (some maybe, but not the majority)
I think the point of the question, and most of our answers, if if we feel like he is a “sure thing.” I think most of us are samying the same thing…“No, he’s not a sure thing.”
No disrespect, no premature decision on him. Just the statement that he does not have the experience to be decalred a sure thing.
Hell, would you call Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco a sure thing yet? What about Matt Cassel – are you confident he’s going to be a star starting QB?
We are all gving him time….we are just saying that we aren’t 100% sure he will be the future all-pro hall of famer that all of us hope he will be…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only are you yelling at us, you're doing all in one breath.
There are always several “off with his head”-ers. Most of us aren’t that way and are waiting for him to give it a go.
Obviously, the coaching staff sees what they don’t like, and I trust ‘em. I don’t think they’re vacillating, or being overly loyal to Penne’s season previous.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
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calm down!
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YOU JOE FLACCO AND MATT RYAN ARE CONSIDERED A SURE THING BECAUSE THE WERE THROWN TO THE LIONS DEN FROM THE BEGINNING, AND THEY PROVED THEMSELVES. HENNE HAS NOT AND WHEN HE WAS FOR THAT 1 DRIVE LAST YEAR HE LOOKED PRETTY DAMN GOOD. ALL I’M SAYING IS FEED HIMTO THE LIONS AND LET HIM DEFEND HIMSELF SO HE CAN PROVE THATHE IS THE FUTURE OF THIS FRANCHISE. IF HE ISN’T THEN AT LEAST HE TRIED TO PROVE THAT HE WAS. BUT TO SAY IS HE OR IS HE NOT THE FUTURE IS PREMATURE AT THIS POINT. HE IS NOT EVEN STARTING.
I wouldn't call Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco a sure thing at all.
One year doesn’t make you a sure thing. Just look at Scott Mitchell. What about A.J. Feeley?
Why should we put him out there? What does it do for us? I would much rather see Pennington out there right now, helping us win, than put in a young quarterback simply so he can “defend himself.” What’s the point of that?
Let him develop and then he can go in when he is ready.
And, to counter Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco starting right away so they are great, Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers both had to wait and are both considered great QBs now…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
another one year wonder
derek anderson
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Young seemed to get over sitting for a few years also...
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
put him in the game coach! u dont kno how he’ll do till the time comes. by the end of the season we’ll be straight
by bigphinlilphinalldolfinz on Aug 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor do you like to hit reply, I see...
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
in all fairness MDF, he just signed up and that was only his 2nd comment of all time. he just needs to adjust to phinsider blog speed.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
True enough, but the all caps gotta go...
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quite the stubborn one
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. ALL THE GREAT QB’S HAVE BEEN THROWN TO THE LIONS THE ONE S YOU MENTIONED HAVE NOT PROVED ANYTHING YET
Welcome Pirinpunfly...
Don’t yell at me but how do you pronounce your name?
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allrite, im not liking the caps
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If you really believe every GREAT Qb has been thrown to the lions right away
You are completely ignoring some of the ALL-TIME GREATS.
What I don’t understand about your argument is you say that all the greats start immediately, but you ignore the fact that not all of them do. So RIvers hasn’t proven anything. Rodgers hasn’t proven anything. Yet, somehow Ryan and Flacco have? In one year?
What about Brady sitting behind Beldsoe? Or Rodgers?
Guess Cassel didn’t prove anything but Flacco and Ryan did.
Looking back, Steve Young seemed to do okay sitting behind Montana.
Back to today, Phillip Rivers seems to be doing well, having sat behind Drew Brees for years.
Look – I’m not trying to say that a young QB can’t succeed. I just don’t think that forcing Henne inot the starting lineup when his coaches don’t think he is ready is the smartest move. Obviously, they feel that Pennington is the better answer right now. I tend to agree.
I know, Flacco and Ryan look good. Marino played decently (sarcasm there, fyi). Big Ben did well as a rookie. Namath started in game 4 (I think it was 4) in his rookie year. Fran Tarkenton started as a rookie in the Vikings first ever game. Peyton Manning seems to have handled it okay.
It goes back and forth, but why risk screwing up a kid mentally (see Ryan Leaf, Michael Vick, Vince Young, John Beck) just to see if he can play? Why not let him spend a few years getting to better understand the game, expecially when you have a guy like Pennington who can teach and mentor, before we throw him in there? Otherwise, we’ll probably be seeing him in Baltimore in a couple of years…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
one thing is sitting to gain experience and another is to sit when there is a better QB in front of you. Flacco and Ryan were the only QB’s well nothe only but the better of them in their respected teams
by PIRINPUNFLY on Aug 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for not writing in all caps. It is much easier to read for some reason
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
thats apparent.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
It's just not hurting Henne or the team by allowing the better QB to play.
The soft arm, previous injury, age thing isn’t a reason to peremptorily sack him. He’s just better so play him.
pardon the pun
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
we need to win
plain and simple, penne gives us the best chance to do that, this year.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
he might give the team the best chance to win game 1
but would he give the team the best chance to win game 6 IF Henne started the first 5…
my opinion is wouldn’t even be close… go back and watch the j-hole game… if you took the numbers off the players and said it was the senior bowl… which one would you draft.. Henne had a GREAT game… he had a bad play or two, but he made great throws to recievers who ran wrong routes, made poor cuts, and had a o-line that didn’t give him any time…
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
SPIN DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE
Yea lets take the Jacksonville game…lets not take nearly everything else into account.
Your EXACTLY like a Jets fan I hear on the radio everyday….ignorant and stubborn no matter what happens….we could win the super bowl this year and you would say Henne coulda got us a bye week on the way there.
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what do you have against the admin
why are you attacking their QB?
what you don’t think he played well against j-hole….
i know you’re a jet lover, so their is no point, but i just don’t understand why you are always attacking henne.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's good (or not), it doesn't matter when he gets thrown in
then THAT will be HIS time.
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i'm so funny....
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Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
Question for Matty (anyone?)
I don’t know if this was ever asked or is in the comments below. My frustrating question is this – how come Henne needs to be “brought along slowly, sit a year and learn” when Flacco and Ryan did not? They got behind center and never looked back!!! I don’t get it. I’m confused, angry and frustrated over this – You have someone from Michigan with 100,000 screaming fans EVERY game, along with visits at Ohio State. C’mon! Why does Henne HAVE TO SIT? Why is his talent any less than Flacco (small college)? Or even Ryan? Put him in now.
eyea, good point
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because chad pennington was better
than the competition flacco and ryan had. heck pennington had better stats than both (and those are supposed to be best case scenario 1st year starters).
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
except in that playoff game
i’d have to say flacco had much better stats once he learned the offense…
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
last 6 games before playoffs
flacco total of 6 passing touchdowns(0 rushing)
pennington total of 11 passing touchdowns(and 1 rushing)
last 6 games… enough time for flacco to have learned the offense by. pennington doubled the touchdowns. no competition whatsoever.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Flacco got the nod because of injuries. And 100,000 screaming is nothing compared to the speed of an NFL linbacker.
(from NFL Sporting News);
“After two preseason games, Harbaugh essentially eliminated Flacco in what began as a three-way competition to be Baltimore’s starting quarterback. The plan was to start Smith in the third game, against the St. Louis Rams, then take a look at Boller.
But neither Smith nor Boller was available to play against the Rams or the preseason finale against Atlanta. Flacco started both games and played well enough to maintain the role in the opener.
“If one of you guys wrote this in a movie script, no one would believe it,” Harbaugh said.
Flacco went 35-for-67 for 284 yards and no interceptions during the preseason. His quarterback rating was better than that of Boller or Smith, and he threw Baltimore’s lone touchdown pass.
Now, however, it’s for real. If he plays well, Flacco might be able to keep the job. But that’s not what motivates him.
“The thinking is to win some games. That’s the first thing I’m thinking about and the only thing I’m thinking about,” the 6-foot-6 rookie said.
The Ravens probably would have preferred to let the 23-year-old Flacco learn from the sideline before thrusting him into a game that counts. But the way the situation played out, that wasn’t an option."
So he proved himself in preseason play.
Ryan? Atlanta was desperate (Vickless) and they got him (3rd overall pick). Btw, that was the first since since ‘75 Atlanta started a rookie QB. So one would say, it ain’t really normal.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
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What A Difference A Year Makes, Eh Boys?
Ah, here’s some vintage stuff.
http://www.thephinsider.com/2008/8/7/589241/chad-pennington-update
You can also flip back to the post where the regime is being accused of being a walking contradiction for signing Pennington.
There is also the matter of Henne’s impressive preseason last year.
I am confident in Henne because having been a Dolphins fan my whole life. I have learned what bad QB’s look like. I got to watch two decades of Dan Marino and then a solid decade of crap.
Jay Fiedler was the only functional QB this team has had since Marino and until Pennington.
In the meantime I have watched hacks pass through over and over again.
Jay “Easier to pull down than a bride on wedding night” Feely.
Ray “I’m a pro?” Lucas.
Trent “flatline” Greene.
John “Not only am I constantly scared but I’m a walking blooper reel” Beck. I don’t care what you say. The guy had the hands of a five-year-old girl.
Just to name a few of the bad QBs we have all watched.
Henne, even when he is making mistakes, looks nothing like any of those guys.
What I see in Henne is the opposite of what I saw in John Beck. I see confidence. I hear his voice boom over the mic when he’s under center. I see a guy who makes mistakes and puts them aside. I see a QB who takes his fellow player to task when they make a mistake. I saw that last year and I see it this year, though (I won’t lie) to a lesser extent.
Last year, Matty, you had John Beck looking impressive in training camp throwing check downs. Last year… After you just got done watching what could have been the most shameful series of NFL starts by a rookie QB, you were still riding his bandwagon.
So stow the empiricism. I think you run the finest Phins blog on the net and do a better job than 50% of the professional journalists, but man… You can be hypocritical.
When they talk about progress stopping they are referring to diminished self expectations and confidence levels of a competent young player when stuck behind an aging one. I think this might be apropos to this season.
Now, I don’t want to come off as hating Pennington. The guy is a class act and a damn good QB. I was probably (joel too if I remember) one of the biggest supporters of the move to sign him last year. Just like I said Porter was not a bad move and that after his knee healed in 07 he started to play better.
How’s this for a summation: If Bill Parcels, Tony Sparano and Jeff Ireland say that Henne is the future then Henne is the future.
Sorry. Didn’t eat enough fiber today.
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by The Phinisher on Aug 29, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I haven’t been impressed by anything I’ve seen of him, except the zip he puts on the ball. But, we’ve said it a million times, QBs take time to develop. You don’t just see them throw a few times and make a permanent judgment about them, That applies, to everyone, Beck, Henne, you name it.
So hopefully he’ll be the guy, but if he’s not, there’s Pat White. So it’s not like Henne is our only hope.
However, phinsider, I thought I’d point out this is not a “who’s worse” competition. Just because Henne looks better than Ray Lucas doesn’t mean he’s a long-term solution.
chad henne is doing nothing more than check downs as well
so i dont see what ur talking about
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 29, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the other classic
http://www.thephinsider.com/2008/8/9/590049/is-this-regime-a-walking-c
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AHA!
Great post(s), Phinisher!
Yummy stuff locked in print back there.
(Of course, I can say this as I joined Aug. 22 of last year)
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
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yup
if there is any doubt about my status of the bench, trade, or cut the lame ducker now club… those posts will confirm that i didn’t want that JET to ever play for the dolphins.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
in related news....
W NY Fins Fan doesnt like hugs
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lol
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
just don't like jets fans
so why don’t you and the golden boy go hugging hand in hand off to jet land
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know where the animosity started
But I know there’s no way in hell you are trying to imply that RZ is a Jets fan.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 29, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
yup he holds his
love of that jet more then anything else.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 29, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah...
It’s one thing to call someone an idiot when it comes to knowledge of the game. Another to say that they are pederasts and kill dogs that lose fights. Yet another to say that someone is subhuman and practically a flesh-eating zombie whose toothless gums are too weak to rend flesh.
But W NY Fins Fan, it is entirely wrong to accuse a man of being a jets fan. That’s simply a awful thing to say. Awful… Shame on you.
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by The Phinisher on Aug 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
but RZ has thrown around the jets fan insult enough that he should be able to take it…
but point taken, even if he does have an unsavory love for that Jet QB.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 30, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You must mean Mark Sanchez
Because I know you don’t mean CP10 who manifested out of thin air last year….he has no past NFL experience to speak of….
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perfect Mosul!
rec’d!
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
u seriously think RZ's a jet fan?
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Maybe because Pennington embraced Miami,
and Miami embraced him back?
If Pennington went into the Hall of Fame today, I am certain he would go in as a Dolphin.
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And that is how he would want it!
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
kick his ass mosul
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
lol
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
A BIG THANK YOU
to Tunaflipper, Davone and Samdaman for your information, thoughts, experience, etc. It was appreciated. I hope Henne gets QUALITY time out there this season. Even if he fails and we draft another one next year, we STILL won’t have a QB because next year’s pick WILL SIT too! But thanks again.
u are very welcome!
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Very simple
It seems to me that it is very simple. At this point – with very little playing time Henne has done nothing to prove unambiguously that he will be a great QB – maybe he will be or maybe not but he has not shown enough yet to decide he definitely will or definitely will not. A few exceptional QBs are great right out of the box – like Marino. Some QB mature behind another QB for a few years and emerge as exceptional QBs – like Stephen Young. Some QB are physically talented but seemingly ruined by being pushed into the front before they fully understand the offense and fail unnecessarily. Some never make it.
We do not know if Henne will be exceptional or not, now or ever. We do know he has the physical tools and has been successful in the past. We have a good QB now who looks set for a good year. We give Henne and White both time to mature behind Henne and see how they play out. Decent chance that between one or the other eventually we have a future QB. Meanwhile we have lots of other positions to fill as we build the team. Within a couple of years it will be clear if either of them rises to the challenge. My gut is that both will but that White will need a few years for the game to be familiar enough for to slow down for him. Meanwhile there is no need to rush either of them, no upside to doing so and no reason to waste any draft picks on QB until we see how this plays out. That is how life is. Sometimes you just have to let things play out. Nobody knows how another person will do and it is foolish to do anything other than see if this expensive pick works out to his potential.
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