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FANTASY UPDATE 1.0


Hey Guys...  I wasn't getting a huge response from my fantasy musings so I've scaled back.

I didn't want to leave the few fantasy enthusiasts in here hanging, so I'll offer some "condensed " notes for the up-coming drafts.

Hope this helps....

* Projected rounds assume a Standard 12 team 20 round draft.

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 Players to avoid:

1)Clinton Portis: I struggled with him b/c I think he's great. I just feel that he's not a 1st or high 2nd round talent and he represents a bigger risk than reward.  His career has peaked and 1200 yds is a stretch. It is also not worth handcuffing him to Betts. You're better off with Slaton, B Westbrook/McCoy(or Dunn) or S Jackson/A Pittman or Addai/D Brown or R Brown/R Williams or M Barber/ F Jones or C Johnson/ L White

2) Eddie Royal: Eddie is also a good player and deserving of being drafted, just not as a #2 WR in the 5th round. His numbers will come down with Orton or Simms, so draft him closer to 7th round or later.

3) Matt Cassell: He'll go much higher than he should. He still needs to prove that he was not a product of "the System". With a core of ancient WRs, mediocre TEs and RBs, I can't see much fantasy success this year for Matt.  

4) Lance Moore: Buyer beware. Lance was a fill in guy and his stats represent the losses of Colston, Shockey, Bush, and Meacham. I have no indication that he's solidified the #2 spot and will produce equally. Remember Meacham was the #2 and is working with as a starter once again. With Dv Henderson also in the mix and Shockey back, don't overvalue Moore.

5) Darren McFadden: I really like McFadden but not in the high 3rd -4th rounds. His success may go the opposite of OAK's. If OAK is winning, M Bush will prove to be a big part of the reason and Al Davis will be sure the playoffs is the priority. If they're loosing, he'll want to play the players he's paying big$ to justify the expense. McFadden is good, but Bush is a monster talent than needs majority carriers.  Factor in Fargas who will get his 500yds and you're left with a poor man's Reggie Bush, and that's not saying too much... right now anyways.

6) Beanie Wells: I generally don't like fantasy rookies, but this guy scares me to death. It would be nice to have the starting RB in one of the NFL's best offenses, but Hightower has something to prove. He's improved from last year and will likely hold off the injured Wells. Also, Wells is not a great compliment to Hightower so he'll likely be a pure backup.

7) Derrick Ward:  It's hard to argue that TB won't play someone they're paying big bucks to, but Earnest Graham is still the starter? Factor in a healthy Cadillac Williams and Ward will struggle to be the goto guy. Be careful not to draft him as a pure #1.  

HM: Brett Farve QB MIN, Lendell White RB TEN, Roy Williams WR DAL

Mid Round gems:

1) Carson Palmer QB CIN: Everyone is sleeping on him. Despite his resurgence in popularity via Hard Knocks, Palmer is poised to rebound from injury and return to form. IMO he has comparable weapons to 2006 and the O-Line is just as questionable as it was then. You can avoid QB until the 5th round and nab Palmer. Don't count on him week -to-week and try and platoon him with a solid #1 for when he plays PIT and BAL. You could partner him with Hasselback, Delhome, Garrard or Campbell and you'll be just fine.

2) Cedric Benson RB CIN: Like Palmer, Benson has lots of talent. He played well enough last year to convince me he'll be fine, especially behind a line that can only get better. Expect more TDs(8+) and 1150+yds. A solid #2 that you can get in the 6th-8th round.

3) Tory Holt WR JAX: He'll be one of the last few #1 WRs to go, maybe round 5-6. He has a veteran schedule and is not being over worked.  Camp reports note he is as fresh as ever. Why I like him is for 2 reasons; Garrard, who is decent, finally has a true #1 to play with and Troy Williamson is impressive as a deep guy, which will free Holt from double team. Expect 80+ catches for sure.

4) Felix Jones RB DAL: Don't feel bad about pulling the trigger on Jones too early. If he's there in the 4th or 5th consider him. I can not see him sitting behind Barber much longer.  He'll definitely be a 10 carry back, but probably be 17 by mid-season. With his big play potential, we could see a few 11 carry 100+ yd games.

5) Percy Harvin WR MIN: He's moved from sleeper to mid round target for most teams. I feel good about him in the slot with Farve on consistent 3 step drops.  With Berrian always getting hurt, he could get a fair share or opportunities.  Farve's arrival also helps raise the stock of TE Shiancoe.

6) Justin Gage WR TEN: Mr. Consistency. Gage will slide way down and prove to be a solid #2 or very good #3.  Kerry Collins has a good synergy with him and they'll find more opportunities working together once again.  

7) Deshaun Jackson WR PHI: McNabb and Philly have struggled to find a feature WR even when TO was in town. IMO they found one, and McNabb will do everything to get the ball in Jackson's hands and as often as possible. Expect more slot action and less RB opportunities in the passing game. This will also preserve Westbrook more.

HM: Donnie Avery WR STL(injury), Knoshown Moreno RB DEN, Donald Brown RB IND, Kevin Smith RB DET, Santana Moss WR WAS, Jerico Cotchery WR JET, Vincent Jackson WR SD, Rashard Mendenhall RB PIT, Jeremy Shockey TE NO, Zach Miller TE OAK, John Carlson TE SEA, Owen Daniels TE HOU, Ken Walters WR HOU, ray Rice RB BAL

Sleepers:

1) Brandon Pettigrew TE DET:  Matt Stafford will start and Pettigrew could end up pushing Calvin Johnson as the goto guy in Detroit. (Unlikely) He is as advertised and will be a great late pick up for keeper leagues.  The hype is low out of Detroit, he'll make a good backup TE.

2) Austin Collie WR IND: Wayne, Clark and Gonzalez will all get their catches, but don't forget how much Manning loves his #3, he can 50+ catches to offer and Collie is a favorite over Garcon to be that guy.  He's servicable as a backup WR and could be a gem is Wayne or Gonzo miss time.

3) Earl Bennett WR CHI: Never mind D Hester, he is still developing (see also Ginn) Bennett and Culter already know each other and Bennett is making a strong push to be the goto guy.

4) Edge James RB SEA: I was looking closely at Julius Jones. Why was SEA reluctant to bring in any competition? Jones was decent in DAL and maybe SEA had confidence in him? I was looking at him a s solid #3 RB maybe a sleeper #2, then Edge was signed. Edge is a better back than Jones and I have to assume at some point he'll take over full time, especially if SEA struggles and has to pass more, they'll need Edge's pass-blocking and receiving skills. I exepct SEA to struggle.  SEA has a good rushing schedule for fanasty playoffs!

5) Matt Leinart QB ARZ: With ARZ and Warner's success, everyone has forgotten about Leinart.  Keeper leagues should seek him out late in the draft and he's definitely a handcuff for Warner in all leagues. Warner is not getting any younger and it's only a matter of time before injury or the Leinart controversy resurfaces.  How can you not have success in that system... Where's Neil Lomax?

6) Jermichael Finley TE GB: Rodgers had success with Donlad Lee last year, but Finley offers so much more. He'll be worked in and by season's end will secure himself as a featured weapon with GB at TE.

7) Brian Robiskie WR CLE: Like I said I don't like rookies, but this guy is the most Pro-ready WR of the lot. Nicks, Barden and HeywardBey are all good options but Robiskie has not disappointed.  IMO B Edwards is a little overrated and without Stallowrth and especially K2, I expect more balls to get to the #2 and #3 WRs. Expect Robiskie to leap Patten as the #2 during the season.

HM: Brad Celek TE PHI,  Dwayne Jarret WR CAR, Michael Clayton WR TB, Michael Bush RB OAK, Brandon Scott RB CIN, Josh Morgan WR SF, Keenan Burton WR STL, James Davis RB CLE

QUICK NOTES:

QB:  If your not getting Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, or Rogers then make sure you get Schaub, McNabb, Warner, Romo or Palmer as your #1. Otherwise, let QBs slide and platoon a solid combination later.

RB: RB by committee is really clouding this year's options. Put a high value on the true #1s that are getting 20+ carries a game.  Make sure you handcuff your big guns- Peterson/C Taylor- Forte/K Jones - LT/Sproles etc. Also get backup RBs, especially starting #1s, because you don't want to give up on bye weeks and they're invaluable trade options for teams in need. BU RB is more valuable than your #2 WR in most leagues.

WR: It's always wiser to get a big producer early and platoon 3rd tier guys/sleepers for your #2/#3 slots, because you'll find tons of FA WRs who will become starters from injury. 

TE: Like QBs, if your not getting one of the big 5, Clark, Whitten, Gates, Gonzo- then let them slide. You can get great value with Cooley, Olsen, Daniels, Carlson, Winslow, Keller, and Shiancoe much later.

K: Longwell, Crosby, Vinatieri, Gotskowski, Bironas, Akers, Kaedling,  Elam, Rakers, Graham, then everyone else.   Don't be the first wait until #7 is picked then get a good one.

DEF: After PIT, MIN, TEN, GIA and BAL there is a log jam at the second tier. Also factor in Specials if they count for your DEF because the pool will get even bigger. MIA JET and GB are good late options.

Good Luck!

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Hey NJDolphan,

this is my first year playing fantasy football and I just had my league’s draft this past weekend. The league had a live draft and unfortunately, I had a family situation come up that caused me to miss all but the last couple rounds of the draft.

I was wondering if I could email you the team I drafted and get some feedback on it? It looks pretty good to me, but since this is my first time, I’m not sure exactly how good it is. I was just wondering if I might be able to get an opinion from someone who has more fantasy football experience.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

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by Chupathingy on Aug 26, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd be happy to- mwright68@aol.com

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok sweet.

It’ll have to wait until I get home tonight. The site is blocked for me here at work, and I need to refresh myself on who some of the backups were. I can’t remember all of their names.

"Why don't you put that in a memo and entitle it 'Shit I Already Know'!" - Sarge from Red vs. Blue

I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the last post.

I copied and used it as one of my reference tools.
Of course, my heart did not follow my head. I took CP10 as Q2, Ginnas WR3, and went after (but didn’t get Ronnie).
I like this post, too.

Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.

Yes, Larry Little is still the man.

by Tunaflipper on Aug 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

whens your draft?

mine is on sunday, i am in the 10 spot and i am looking for a WR and then a RB. My league loves picking WR early so I might be left with chosing reggie wayne or steve smith, who do you think will have a better year?

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I have a big draft on SAT.

I like Reggie Wayne over Steve Smith, but it’s close. Smith is coming off injury and Delhome is fading quickly. Smith’s a little slower these days and you have to expect the big plays to come down. Wayne is a good #1 and I’m not 100% sold on Gonzalez as a #2, so expect Wayne to still carry the full load. If anyone is stealing catches from Wayne its CLark or an emerging Collie.

If S Jackson, Gore or LT are there at 10, I’d gobble them up and come back rd 2 with Boldin, Colston, or Calvin Johnson who grade similarly as Wayne or Smith. M Barber, R Brown, B Westbrook, and Portis don’t really grade as high as the other Rd 1 RBs.

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Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks, I was thinking about going with Wayne in Round 1 and then Jacobs Round 2. Its stressful preparing for this!

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only have a few players that I really want...

At the end it always goes different then you planned, and you have to adjust…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO your better served with.

Steven Jackson RD 1 and Boldin RD 2.
Early RD 2 is too early for Jacobs. He’s a late 2nd stretch depending on your scoring system.
I like him too, especially b/c the GIA will struggle with the pass. But he needs to prove himself worthy of a high 2nd round pick… avoid potential early on… safer with a guy like Portis.

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does this look - This is my first team...

QB – Carson Palmer
RB#1 – DeAngelo Williams
RB#2 – Steven Jackson
WR#1 – Steve Smith
WR#2 – TJ
WR#3 – Anthony Gonzales
TE – Greg Olsen
K – Rackers
DST – Chargers

Backups
QB – Cassel
RB – Ahmad Bradshaw (he will be a solid starter when Brandon Jacobs goes down, and he will…)
RB – Derrick Ward
WR – Donnie Avery
WR – Chaz Schilens (Waiver wire pickup)

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

what are you in a 5 team league?

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

14...

I picked up Palmer in the 7th…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually 12... my bad

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great team in a 14 teams league!

Avery injury concerns me. Schilens is a nice sleeper, but with his set back he may get lost. I’d prefer Javon Walker over Schilens if he’s out there. You lacking a true back up WR for bye weeks.

I like Palmer this year. TJ might loose opportunities to Branch, Buerlson, and Butler so if he’s not producing 5-6 catches a week after week 3, look to move on.

nice work

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Lyle Alzado

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

still good for 12 team!

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Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am amazed at the RB's you were able to get

Tell me who did you draft in order in the 1st 5 rounds

I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?

by Souwantmyname on Aug 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my second team (has a flex starter WR/RB)

QB – Aaron Rodgers
RB#1 – Matt Forte
RB#2 – Fast Willie
WR#1 – T.O.
WR#2 – Roy Williams
WR#3 – Cotchery
TE – Greg Olsen
Flex Starter – Ahmad Bradshaw
K – Kaeding
DST – Philly

Backups –
RB – Rashard Mendenhall (handcuff for fast willie)
QB – Flacco (should never play)
WR – Robiskie
WR – Chaz Schilens (yeah, I think he might be a steal)
TE – Kevin Boss
RB – Tashard Choice

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Not as good as team 1, but decent

I am concerned about BU RB, because you really don’t have one. This means you are on crutches for your two RB bye weeks. Dump Choice and find someone who’ll definately split carries like Chester Taylor, etc…

Smart to handcuff fast Willie.

Don’t sleep on Flacco. He’s gonna be decent. 3,300 yds 20td 14 int.

Boss is wasting a roster spot.. get another BU RB and PU a TE for your bye week. At least the BU RB has trade value should the starter go down.

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I should do that...

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 team...

league and you got steve smith, Deangelo and Jackson? Those are all 1-2 round picks; man i wish i was playing in your league.

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah... Let me explain how that happened...

Brady went #2 overall… Manning went #5 overall… Brees went #8 overall… calvin johnson went #9, rivers #11 and Fitzgeral #12…

I had the mid round pick (7th in the 1st round and 6th in the 2nd…) Got DeAngelo in the 1st, and Jackson in the 2nd… some guy picked the Steelers defense in the 2nd round… the ravens def was picked in the 3rd… Warner went in the 2nd round…

Basically I got them because there was an early run on QBs… which I would never do…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

got it...

like i said i wish i was in your league, my draft is on sunday and all the kids in it are cut throat. I want a WR in round 1 but i think Fitz, moss, andre, and calvin will all be gone when i pick at 10. Thats why i want to decide between Steve Smith and Reggie Wayne. I also like Brandon Jacobs this year by the way. He may be injury prone but look at his numbers this year. I also hear they plan on throwing some more passes his way and he had a nice catch in the first pre-season game.

So smith or wayne?

Any other insight is good too, thanks.

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I wish i could pick a running back with confidence

but they scare me. i feel like i would rather have a solid #1 WR then have to take a running back that could easily have a crappy season (like ryan grant last year). I just hate picking Rbs early, especialyl round 1.

would you consider taking brees at 10? My league rewards TD passes = to Rushing or Rec. tds.

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would still go with an RB...

If all those 4 WRs are gone, and you pick #4, DeAngelo Williams, Michael Turner, Chris Johnson… should be available to you at #10…

And you should pick again at 14, right? Go for the WR there… Wayne or Smith will still be on the board.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

definately Brees.

You don’t win fantasy football with rounds 1-3 , but you can loose by not playing it safe. Wasting these picks is your biggest fear. Stay safe in round 1-3, the toogle between best available values and taking chances from there on…

Don’t be afraid of young guys who achieved like C Johnson, Slaton, Kevin Smith… most players have a 3-4 year run when successful. When guys do it for 5+ years their safe: i.e. Portis, Jackson, Tom Jones.

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

would you trade

up to the 8 slot to get calvin johnson? i can trade my 10 pick to 8 so I can get Calvin. what do you think?

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

But I would take Andre Johnson as the #1 WR, Moss at #2 and Calvin Johnson at #3…

I think Andre + Schaub will be explosive this year…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

my draft will go something like this:

1.) Peterson
2.) Fitz
3.) Turner
4.) Jones Drew
5.) Moss
6.) Andre Johnson
7.) Forte
8.)
9.)
10.)

if i trade up to 8 I can have a legit #1 WR and then I can get a RB in round 2. The kid already told me he would trade me the 8th pick for 10.

SO heres my choie:

Stay at 10 and take Wayne or Smith
Stay at 10 and take brees
stay at 10 and take the best avail RB
Trade to 8 and take Calvin Johnson

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

mind your scoring system.

Most leagues favor running stats and RD 1 WRs are risky.. CV Johnson is a second rounder IMO. If you go WR in 1st your second and 3rd WRs will likely be 3rd tier guys. I’m more content with two or three second tier guys.

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

stephen jackson

is prob the only Running back i would consider taking there bc he catches a lot of passes. but seriously, how bad are the Rams? lol

At least if the lions are losing they will throw to Megatron aka Calvin.

Calvin Johnson is so athletiically gifted its rediculous.

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, but he'll be double teamed for that reason.....and

you don’t want a rookie throwing into double teams.

What makes you think Stafford and Johnson will have a great connection? Stafford might throw 100 balls to Pettigrew ? Be careful with megatron…

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree again...

Top WR this year are Andre Johnson (because of Schaub), Moss (because of Brady)… I am even afraid of Fitzgerald… because if Warner goes down, man, it will look ugly for him…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Forte is going #7 overall... you should draft 2 RBs in rounds 1 and 2

Just the best value… There will probably be a run on QBs in the 3rd…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will tell you more...

If the draft goes as you said… You should probably draft 2 RBs, like I did…

Jackson + Williams, or Jackson + Slaton

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly

watch the other teams.,.. if 5-6 WRs are taken in round 1, then they’ll ge going RB in round two. You’ll be the only team with 2 legit top end RBs, and you’ll be way ahead of everyone else, just don’t F up the QB slot.

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Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the point

I think his league will run on QBs in the 3rd… and he will pick in the back end of the round… I would get a WR here (perhaps even smith / wayne will be there for you) and get the QB around 5th – 6th (Palmer, Schaub or Ryan are my preferred choices)… I wanted Ryan more than Palmer, but someone got him in the 4th round.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jonathan Steward is toast for the year...

His achilles will blow up… that improves DeAngelo’s prospects…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Enter Mike Goodson Stage Left.....

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Lyle Alzado

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i drafted 2 running backs in round 1 and 2 last year

and i had the worst season of all time. Ryan Grant didn’t work out too well. Its just scary going the same route again. If i took 2 Rbs in the first 2 rounds my WR core would end up being as pitiful as it was last year. (LEe Evans, NAte Burleson and JAvon Walker) because i took Marion barber and Grant in rds 1 and 2 and then went for Carson Palmer too early.

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I went to the finals, and drafted the worst draft ever...
  1. Addai, #2 Braylon Edwards, #3 Plaxico Burress (or vice versa)… But I drafted Turner, and got Warner and Slaton in the waiver wire…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan was an uproven risk...

I would have never drafted R Grant in RD 1… like the rest of the world, who reads fantasy magazines— :(

Your WRs fell victim to injury it had nothing to do with your draft. And all of them Evans, Buerlson and Walker were hyped up fantasy magazine players anyway…. be careful.

You can end up with Forte, P Manning, C Portis, and TO and they can all get hurt too.

There are plenty of WRs that will fall. You’d be suprised.
Fitzgerald
H Ward
Ginn

VS

B Berrian
T Holt
J GAge
 you make not like the second team, but they’ll perform equally or better.

Your draft is about VALUE….

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats the difference between

Grant and Slaton, both had big years in the year before and now are protected as big players.

Stephen Jackson just scares me. Reggie Wayne is consisently great and has Manning throwing to him. I know that if RBs are falling its better to snatch one that was undervalued but with all the rb-committees how can i put that kind of stock into my #1 draft choice?

by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

With a pure #1 that will get goaline work

Jackson, Turner, Jones Drew, Forte… and Williams with Stewart hurt…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grant VS Slaton

Grant is a grinder that was plugged into a system with a good oline and improving passing game. Problem 1 is that came from obsurity (see also Icky Woods) Problem 2 is that his production was fair and not great, you could plug in most competent backs into their system Problem 3 is that its hard to replace a legend and everyone expected Ahman Green production. Problem 4 as a grinder expect 1st and 2nd down carriers simply setting up other plays.

Slaton’s performance was as a featured part of the offense, especially included in the passing attacked. He is young and was drafted for the commitment is there. More importantly, his production was with a mediocre offensive line which is improving.

Slaton has an upside and no real risk of lossing his job. Grant always had/has Jackson breathing down his neck.

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

08-09 No Award Winner

by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't fear the reaper...

Jackson is a stud.. The coaches don’t want to loose their jobs and ownership doesn’t want to loose money. It will be JAckson left, Jackson right and he may only rush for 3.5 yds per carry, but at the end of the year he’ll have 350 carries 1225 yds 40 rec 450 yds 9 TDS. He may not look great because the offense sucks.. but the productivity will be there.. Seperate the team from the individual performance… Be mindful that Jackson is an exception because he’s exceptional… not all backs can be featured on a bad team and still produce like he can and has.

Injury is a risk for sure, but you can bank on his production… you can not say the same for Forte, MJ Drew , DeAngelo Williams, and Turner who still have to prove they can do it year after year, Those guys scare me more, because in any given year you only have 4-5 great backs.,… not everyone will shine…. and young guys will come out of nowhere too: Moreno, K Smith, L McCoy, McFadden, Slaton, R Bush. etc…

It’s guys like Portis, Jackson, LT, R Brown, Gore, that are sure things that will carry a fantasy team… RBs like this are the closest thing to guanatee, b/c QBs can be impacted by loosing player around them. There’s only a few sure thing WRs but their production isn’t far off from the next tier.

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey NJDolphan, thanks for all the talking today, good look in your season and keep in touch. i will keep S-jax in mind on sunday but i can’t say that BRees and wayne are out fo my mind!!!

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by DRoyce on Aug 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Definitely keep Steven Jackson in mind for an early pick.

Even though the Rams suck right now, he was able to rush for over 1000 yards, receive for almost 400 and had like 7 TDs a few years ago. And this was when the Rams had like the 2nd worst O-line in the NFL, and he missed 3 games due to injury.

This year, the Rams are focusing their offense around the running game, so expect Jackson to get a heavy workload. If you’re worried about injury, he wants to be a 3 down back that is out there on every play, and he’s been working out much more to make himself tougher to do this. We here a lot about the Rams and how they’re doing herer in the Lou, and everything I’ve heard is that Jackson is looking to be in the best shape of his life and more explosive than ever too. I think he would definitely be worth taking in the first round.

Alas, I think I missed him in mine by 1 pick, person in front of me got him I think.

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by Chupathingy on Aug 26, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fantasy question.

Romo
LT
Steven Jackson
Ryan Grant
Marques Colston
TO
John Carlson
Redskins D
Kaeding

Bench:
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Devin Hester
Tim Hightower
Trent Edwards
Leon Washington
Michael Bush

I was going to handcuff LT with sproles, but someone took him earlier than usual. I was also going to get Brandon Jackson to handcuff Ryan Grant but someone actually drafted him early.

My question is: What should my trade offer be for Sproles? What about Brandon Jackson? Also, should i drop one of these players to pick up Antonio Pittman (Steven Jacksons backup)? Right now I’m thinking about dropping trent edwards for him because i really think my bench RB’s all have great upside. Thanks

by dolfanstanley on Aug 26, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

got it,

trading for either both will be tough because they know you need them. I don’t think you need to handcuff Pittman…. Sproles is more valuable than B Jackson for you and I think Grant will be ok, If Grant wasn’t going to be the man in GB he’d be replaced by now…
1) Drop drop/trade Edwards unless there’s enough mid-low level QBs out there for your bye week. I wouldn’t feel good about having no backup for 6 weeks, but if you want to gamble and can pick up a J Russell, Orton, K Collins, Flacco, or S Hill for week 6 then good luck.
2) You may not need so many BU RBs, Benson will surprise and is you bye week substitute. You could pick up B Scott to be his handcuff. M Bush is too valuable to cut/trade especially if Fargas is traded soon. Hightower should start and play well, Wells will get some carries and there a risk he’ll take over down the road. L Washington is a handcuff for Tm Jones and not a replacement. If Jones goes down, Shon Greene will see a fair share of reps on 1st and 2nd down.
3) I would see if you can get value by trading L Washington to the team with Thomas Jones. Use either L Washington or the player to be traded as leverage to get Sproles. Allow the guy your trading with to decide which player they would want. This puts the other guy in a power position and deflates your need and urgency to get Sproles.
4) Based on value, you may have to trade Hester or Edwards to get Sproles. Maybe you could still trade L Washington and get a replacement like J Gage or K Collins.
5) Like Washington you could leverage M Bush to the guy with McFadden… but I think Bush will have a strong season and might be great trade bait mid season.

Good Luck…

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

warning..

don’t stock your bench with too much potential. If and when your starter get hurt you need proven guys who can come in and keep your team afloat, otherwise you might not be able to recouperate at all.

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

pick steve slaton

got him in phinsider ff and gonna whoop ass

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

what's your team?

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

thenydolfan

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB, RB, RB, WR,...

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

phillip rivers
steve slaton
knowshon moreno
andre johnson

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's good...

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

who do u have?

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not in that league... but I posted my two teams above...

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pulled the short straw

LOL

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol my bad

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

like ur teams

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost all fantasy teams look good on paper!!! LOL

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by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

avoid LT, also

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

My advice on LT..

Avoid RD 1

consider mid 2 if you have a stud RB in Rd 1, but don’t make him your #1 RB

late 2nd / Early 3rd- you really can’t avoid him, so make sure you handcuff Sproles. Problem is you’ll have to reach for Sproles earlier than you want to and risk hurting another position or your depth.

He’s real tough because SD is making a SB run and they know this is his last year. They’ll push him hard early and ease back past mid season if they’re winning. If their loosing, then he’ll likely split time. If SD is struggling for a playoff spot you’ll get your money’s worth and I think that’s were SD will be 9-7 or 10-6 hammering LT down the stretch.

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 26, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, i agree

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, thats y avoid him

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by samdaman on Aug 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice post, I need some advice

I picked 9th in a 10 team ppr league

Here’s my team:
QB – Aaron Rodgers
RB#1 – Stephen Jackson
RB#2 – Ray Rice
WR#1 – Andre Johnson
WR#2 – Dwayne Bowe
WR#3 – Josh Morgan
TE – Dallas Clark
Flex RB/WR – Tim Hightower
K – Kasay
D/ST – Steelers

Backups –
RB – Rashard Mendenhall
QB – Carson Palmer
WR – Donnie Avery
WR – Darrius Heyward-Bey
TE – Vishante Shiancoe
RB – Donald Brown

I am thinking I need either another starting rb or to hope for injury to Willie Parker, Joseph Addai and Chris Wells. What do you think I should do? Hold tight or go for a trade possibly using Palmer

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by Souwantmyname on Aug 26, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That's a tough one..

Mendenhall and Brown are nice to have, but you really need a cowbell to replace Rice. Even if that cowbell is a guy like Jamal Lewis. I would consider packaging Rice and Palmer to land a guy like Ronnie Brown or Kevin Smith. You may have to wait a week or two and get value out of both Palmer and Rice. Watch Rice carefully b/c McGahee will get his share of carries.

You may also want to cut Shiancoe, HeyBey, or Brown and find another back up RB who you know will be getting playing time, like Norwood, C Taylor, R Williams etc…

Morgan is a risk as a starter and Avery will replace him in a few weeks. but you may want to pick up Bruce to see who SFs goto will be, that way you can cut the guys who’s not.

You’re right to think RB#2 is you weak spot, and that also makes your BU RB even weaker. Don’t rely on potential or possible injuries, get a guy that will contribute- even if its minimal for now.

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 27, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

My team in a 14-owner league..

Starters:

Matt Hasselbeck (Sea – QB)
Andre Johnson (Hou – WR)
Roy Williams (Dal – WR)
Kevin Walter (Hou – WR)
Matt Forte (Chi – RB)
Knowshon Moreno (Den – RB)
Tony Gonzalez (Atl – TE)
Nate Kaeding (SD – K)

Bench:

Rashard Mendenhall (Pit – RB)
Chris Wells (Ari – RB)
Miles Austin (Dal – WR)
Michael Bush (Oak – RB)
Brady Quinn (Cle – QB)
Matt Leinart (Ari – QB)
Peyton Hillis (Den – RB)

I’m sorry man, I can’t agree with half your ideas. Cedric Benson will lose carries to Bernard Scott the moment they fall out of the playoff race, leaving him as relative deadweight on your roster save for the random week or two where he’ll produce low double-digits. That’s one of a few problems I have, just starting conversation. Not a bad list at all, just can’t agree with the analysis of Williams and the like.

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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 26, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Cincy likes Benson...

They will be competitive this year and you usually don’t see a rookie with a franchise QB b/c a rookie will not be apt to pass protection. Scott is a talent and will get his reps, but Benson looked good last year and he has great fantasy value considering where he’ll be drafted.

You can say the same for most RBs, that they will be pulled for the younger guy if they’re out of playoff contention. F Taylor, Tm Jones, J Addai, R Grant, W PArker, J Lewis, L Johnson, LT, C Portis, S JAckson., F Gore, HighTower, ….

Good Luck with your team.

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by NJDolphan68 on Aug 27, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

Scott is performing well in his protection duties according to camp reports. I do believe he was a projected first-round pick, and only slipped because of off-the-field issues. Ironic, the Bengals taking on off-the-field troubles because of the level of talent of said player..

I do not believe the Bengals will be as competitive as you see them to be this season. I just don’t believe Palmer is going to be close enough to 100% to lead the team in the right direction, and if the defense can’t step up, they will lean heavily on him. That would be asking for trouble. Perhaps if there’s a proper mix of offense and defense, they can sustain a positive season and Scott doesn’t play as much barring a Benson injury. Otherwise, Palmer falters by season’s end, or Benson loses carries to Scott during pivotal fantasy playoff weeks.

On talent alone, Scott could poach upwards of ten carries per game by mid-season man.

I agree with Addai, Parker, Lewis, and LJ being semi-pulled for younger talents, but I think you’re generalizing a bit too much by including all of those players in there. For one, Fred Taylor won’t even be the featured back and Thomas Jones IS all but out of New York with the level of talent they have in their stables and his age. He won’t come close to what he did last season.

Thank you, and good luck with yours as well.

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by Dave.Phuller on Aug 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty similar to my team

i also have andre, moreno, and mendenhall,

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by samdaman on Aug 27, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

in the end

fantasy football is such luck and its making me sick. sure you can put yourself in a position to win but injuries and flat out lack of desire to win on the players part can put your season down in the dumps. so in the end I am going into my sunday draft with players in mind and sleeping in mind and going with my gut, even if it means reaching. sometimes a reach can end up being your best pick and sometimes it can ruin your season. i just want to give myself the best chance to win and picking players that have heart and a desire to be the best out there. I am willing to bet that the waiver pick up of slaton last year probably was responsible for winning 1/2 the people’s leagues. Its all about being in the right place at the right time.

So… WHO DO I PICK AT #10!? Still consdiering trading up to 8 to get Calvin Johnson becuase of how atheltically gifted he is. Kevin Smith could open up the running game and the lions have no choice but to get better. And if they are losing, they will throw!

by DRoyce on Aug 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

or

i could go with the workhorse in Stephen Jackson. if i knew he would play 16 games i would pick him all day at #10 . Not really interested in any othe RBs there, Chris Johnson is a fumbler, Portis is going to get old soon, LT sits out with a hang nail. I like BRandon Jacobs & Ronnie but its too early to take them. MB3 will have stolen carries from Felix.

HELP

by DRoyce on Aug 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

i say go with jackson

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by samdaman on Aug 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

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