Dolphins Depth Chart Bubble Watch, V. 5
by Matty I on Aug 25, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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PrintSo we're now halfway through the preseason. And we've already seen the ax drop down for several players. With the recent roster moves by the Dolphins, it seems like a good time to update our "depth chart bubble watch."
The idea behind this is simple - to put together a projected 53-man roster and to highlight which players I feel are on pace to just barely make the team and which just miss the cut. And it's important to note that this is not how I predict the roster will look once the preseason comes to a close. Instead, it's simply a snapshot that examines how Miami's 53-man roster might look if the cuts were to be done at this very moment.
The depth chart and some notes can be found below right after the jump...
| 1st Team | 2nd Team | 3rd Team | |
| QB | Chad Pennington | Chad Henne | Pat White |
| RB | Ronnie Brown | Ricky Williams | Patrick Cobbs/Lex Hilliard |
| FB | Lousaka Polite | ||
| WR | Ted Ginn | Patrick Turner | |
| WR | Davone Bess |
Greg Camarillo | Brian Hartline |
| TE | Anthony Fasano | David Martin | John Nalbone |
| LT | Jake Long | Andrew Gardner |
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| LG | Justin Smiley | Brandon Frye |
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| C | Jake Grove | Joe Berger | |
| RG | Donald Thomas |
Shawn Murphy | |
| RT | Vernon Carey | ||
| 1st Team | 2nd Team | 3rd Team | |
| DE | Kendall Langford | Tony McDaniel |
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| NT | Jason Ferguson | Paul Soliai | |
| DE | Randy Starks |
Phillip Merling |
Lionel Dotson |
| SOLB | Jason Taylor |
Quentin Moses |
Erik Walden |
| ILB | Channing Crowder | Reggie Torbor |
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| ILB | Akin Ayodele | ||
| WOLB | Joey Porter | Cameron Wake |
Charlie Anderson |
| CB | Will Allen | Vontae Davis | Jason Allen |
| CB | Sean Smith |
Nathan Jones |
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| S | Yeremiah Bell | Chris Clemons | |
| S | Gibril Wilson | Tyrone Culver | |
| 1st Team | 2nd Team | 3rd Team | |
| K | Dan Carpenter | ||
| P | Brandon Fields | ||
| LS | John Denney |
PUP: Matt Roth
Last 5 On: Jason Allen, Andrew Gardner, John Nalbone, Erik Walden, Lex Hilliard
First 5 Off: Brandon London, Nate Garner, Anthony Armstrong, Courtney Bryan, Joey Thomas
Next 5 Off: Joey Haynos, William Kershaw, Connor Barth, Rod Wright, Louis Ellis
Some quick thoughts:
- While I don't think that Lex Hilliard has assured himself a roster spot, things are looking good for the kid. But I think for the Dolphins to keep a fourth halfback, he'll have to prove he can play on special teams. Can he? I'm not too sure. It's hard to tell from the television broadcast. But he's certainly big enough (240 pounds) and I think he'll get every opportunity now to prove he can contribute on special teams.
- I know everybody wants to keep six receivers. But I don't know if the "numbers game" will allow for it. The way I see it, the Dolphins will keep 12 players total at the halfback, receiver, and tight end positions. If Hilliard is going to be on this team, then the Dolphins will have to keep either five receivers and three tight ends OR six receivers and two tight ends. But I think that the versatility of Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, and Patrick Cobbs will be a possible reason the Dolphins keep five receivers. Any of those three could line up split out wide as a receiver. Because of that, keeping six receivers at the expense of a tight end or at the expense of Hilliard seems like an unlikely move.
- John Nalbone is an excellent blocking tight end - at least from what I could tell from the first two preseason games. And I think since the Dolphins and Dan Henning like using two tight end sets, I don't see the Dolphins keeping only two tight ends. Right now, Nalbone has outplayed Joey Haynos. He's consistently caught the ball in camp (and in the team scrimmage a few weeks back) and, like I said, has really impressed me with his blocking ability. I'm officially the founder of the John Nalbone bandwagon - hop on while there's still room.
- Right now I have the Dolphins keeping six outside linebackers on the active roster. But I could see them keeping only five - making room for either another corner, another inside linebacker, or another defensive linemen. If that's the case, I think the battle for the last roster spot at OLB will come down to Quentin Moses - who has looked surprisingly good - or Erik Walden - the special teams standout who has been quiet on the field in the base defense. As much as I like Walden's contributions on special teams, I think Moses has the leg up - if it comes to that, of course.
- Just say "no" to Connor Barth. Dan Carpenter - I trust you! After all, nobody just gets the nickname of DC$ by accident.
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looks about right
I think we are shaping up pretty good. The FO are making moves for next year whil allowing more playing time for the guys who remain on the roster. I would like to see Lex hang around .
I love this..!
… one of my favorite posts to read…
I agree and look forward to John Nalbone making the team… my next favorite rookie next to Brian Hartline…
… it’s gonna be tooth and nail till Sept 5th(?) (next cuts) for a few positions…
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I'm on the Nalbone bandwagon too
Mainly the “The Trifecta’s Draftee Bandwagon.” They know how to draft and pick up the undrafted free agents better than any GM/coach combo we’ve had in years.
Nalbone bandwagon
Matty, so glad to know there is a John Nalbone Bandwagon in Florida, but sorry to say you didn’t start it. I watched him play in high school and there are a lot of us who think he’s great, lol. He’s also just a great humble kid-I knew him through my kids. I’ve been a Steelers fan for a long time, but I check your posts everyday to see how he’s doing. Thank you so much for the updates. Miami is now my second favorite team! You’re lucky to have John.
Good Luck this season
I'm actually from NJ - born and raised and still live there. And my gf is a Monmouth alum.
So I’ve been watching him for longer than you would think.
But not since high school – you win there. lol
I won’t lie – the fact that he’s from Monmouth is certainly part of the reason why I’ve started the Nalbone bandwagon – at least amongst Dolphin fans.
Feel free to share any stories or whatnot you might have about Nalbone from his younger days. I’m sure we’d all love to hear them.
Thanks for posting!
Nalbone is just one of those nice guys you'd like to see succeed
Ok, John was certainly a star in high school. His size alone made it impossible not to notice him. Even on the football field, in HS, he was bigger than most. I saw him hold a door for some cheerleaders after a game-he was so tall they walked right under his arm. But off the field, he didn’t use his size to intimidate anyone.
I never saw him play at Monmouth but in high school, there was never any unnecessary showboating from him. He has these huge hands and long arms that caught almost everything that was thrown anywhere near him, but you never saw him gloat after a great reception, or throw a temper tantrum if the ball wasn’t thrown to him. Maybe that’s why you guys have noticed he’s a good blocker—just isn’t a self centered player.
If he makes the team I’ll come back with some stories.
Good Luck tomorrow night!
i would bet he's making the team
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hey matty, were in jersey?
the highlight of the comment for me was gf.
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Lookin Good
It looks like we are finally getting closer and that means the season is rapidly approaching.
I have to say that this lineup looks really good and whould be happy with it today. There are still two position battles that are still going on right now IMO
1. Haynos and Nalbone – The reason Wilford is gone is because of these two, IMO Haynos makes the squad while Nalbone will be on the PS til he makes the roster next season.
2. Hillard and London – this is strictly a ST battle and one that London did fairly well in last season, Although he did get a penalty last game I still see London winning this one out while the trifecta tries to move Hillard before they have to cut him.
Matty I was also wondering who you think would be on the PS this year? and was also hoping that you could do that for the next Bubble Watch.
Team looks solid
Matty- nice projection. I agree with Markus_13 above.
The other two changing factors :
1. Matt Roth when/if he comes back into the fold, who does he replace? Is Walden just keeping his seat warm? With Porter, JT, Wake, Roth and Moses we would have probably the best/deepest OLB cores in the league. At that level of quality and depth, does someone here get traded?
2. The cuts were deeper than required, leading some to think the team is looking at bringing in one or more free agents or even trades. Could they not only take a roster spot but actually replace someone on this current roster projection? That will be interesting.
Matty, maybe you could post a piece on the possible free agent acquisistions that may become available in the near future? Or even the currently cut players that could be of some interest to the Ireland?
i like that, sounds like a good idea
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i want cobbs back there on KR with Ginn taking punts
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
nice read
agree with almost positions
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great post and team lineup
Some good quality at the backup positions and hopefully some of the newbies(Ellis, Folsom, Baker, Lewis and Robinson) can make it to the Practice squad so they can grow and possibly make the team later in the year or next year. I think the FO may trade Hilliard to a team that needs a good quality backup. Another 5th rounder would be nice to have.
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I hope this kid gets another chance by getting on the practice squad also.
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Lex Hilliard at FB???
I think so. He’s just about the same size as Polite (240 ibs). And he looks like he could gain another 10 pounds and not lose a step. Last season, Polite was used alot on short-yardage runs. But, he really can’t offer the Dolphins much else on offense. Hilliard on the other hand can be a weapon on short-yard runs. goal line runs and he can even catch a bit out of the backfield. The big question is whether he can block and play special teams. He’s a very aggressive football player, I think he can definitely learn how to run block. If he can, I think we really have something special in in Lex. The next Le’Ron McClain? Maybe.
What do you guys think?
By the way, I’m new to the site. :)
by JP 23 on Aug 25, 2009 9:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hey JP 23 Welcome!
Haven’t seen/heard much of Hilliard other than his 2nd team stuff. So it’s be hard to say.
Putting on 10 pounds could be hard & slow him down. It’d take some time, too. Polite seems pretty quite in practice, too but really did the job last year. Might be risky to lose him.
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Moving Hilliard to FB isn’t a bad idea. But I don’t think it’s something you do right now less than 3 weeks from the start of the season. Maybe next offseason you look into it. But you also have to worry about how much of the explosion he would lose if he adds a little more weight.
If they keep Hilliard,
it won’t be to move him to FB. IMO he’s going to replace Ricky next year. I know alot of you love Ricky, but the bottom line is he’ll be 33 next year.
Good point. Although Ricky is a very Young 33.
by JP 23 on Aug 25, 2009 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
RunRickyRun is a 31 yo 33. With 2 years off, he has less hits on his body than any other 33yo RB. He has at least 2 or 3 more good years left in the tank.
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I wouldn't say 3 good years,
But ya he has 1 or 2 relevant years left in the tank. He’s still a great back-up.
by JP 23 on Aug 25, 2009 5:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How many backs can you name have had 2 or 3 good years after 30?
I can only think of 2, Walter Payton and Emmitt Smith. After the age of 33? One, John Riggins. I looked at almost all of the greats from the past 30 years, and history tells us that Ricky’s time is up. I think he’ll serve as a good back up this year, but I think it’s time to put him out to pasture after that. Time to bring in the fresh meat, Lex Hilliard and Patrick Cobbs.
And none of them took 2 years away from the game, except RunRickyRun.
And they are saying that he is in the best physical condition of his life!
I say lets see how he does over the year.
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They said that last year about him too....
Bottom line is, he WAS in the best shape of his life when he rushed for 1800 yds for us, but not anymore. My point in using those 3 players as examples was the fact that those are the ONLY 3 players I could find in the past 30 years to have more than one or two truly productive years past the age of 30.
Well, they are saying it about his condition again. And that means he is in better shape than last year!
I say fans quit trying to put him out to stud and see how he does this year. He might just surprise you. Or not. Lets see how it plays out.
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I'm all for RunRickyRun this year....
It’s next year, when I say put him to pasture and let Hilliard and Cobbs take his carries.
you dont want your starting fullback with question marks on his blocking
Hilliard either makes the team or he wont be a dolphin.. he’s shown too much for us to hide him on the practice squad
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Polite isn't a great run blocker in his own right.
Which is why they’ve brought in competition for him this offseason. If I had to choose between 2 below-average run blocking FB that are exactly identical in size, I’m choosing the the guy whose going to be a more offensive weapon for my team. By the way, Hilliard is a pretty good pass blocker. I’d atleast like for him to get a chance with the Fins. I was very impressed with him in both games. Hilliard playing FB is just a thought of how he can make this squad.
by JP 23 on Aug 25, 2009 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree on hilliards pass blocking
i remember a play vs. jax where i made a point to watch hilliard in pass protection because he was running so well. In the play Lex got put on his ass by a blitzing linebacker and thus hurrying White. Hilliard is not a good blocker but i still think he should make the team because you cant teach his run style
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see Hilliard run against 1st team D before I jump on his bandwagon. He HAS been good against 2nd/3rd team D so far.
I heard a rumor that they were gonna trade CP10, Henne & White for Favre!
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Im wondering
if the Jets would like to have Favre back right now since the “Dirty Sanchez” is throwing pick 6s to defensive linemen. Sorry , I forgot Favre did that also(to us no less). Jason is going to have 2 of those against the Dirty this year. Where’s that can of Whoop A$$….?
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Luckily
they arent. They are on the Miami Dolphins, 2008 AFC East Champions!!
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Damn, I can't wait till Thursday!
The most important preseason game and we get to see it!
Armed with my (Matty’s) depth in the bubble chart, we can start locking in 1st team.
Yipppeee!
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I agree!
Hello all! New to the Finsider, but have been reading it now for over a month. I am really hoping to see matt Roth fix himself and get back into the game. I like what I see from Lex so far and wouldnt be upset to see him stay!
Cant wait for a great season and to see all the naysayers eat thier words.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome Yut!
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Roth is the new mystery man & Lex (unfortunately) might be history man. I dunno. Lex might very well get some first team action Thursday and Roth will surely sport a new ball cap.
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Spot on my man
You analyses of the RB/WR/TE numbers game was perfectly stated.
Clemons
so i cant get enough of this kid… the way he is always there in a play, provided its always 2nd and 3rd team O, reminds me alot of Troy Polomalu, always sticking his nose right into the play… i feel like this kid is gonna be big for us
Yep, I wouldnt mind him stepping in if Yeremiah or Gibril get banged up.
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 25, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see him at some corner just to get him on the field
if he can be our 4th or 5th corner that would be huge… i also predict clemons will be our FS in obvious passing downs. I dont really like having 2 hard hitting safeties when teams find out they have to throw on us
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I also wonder about Haynos vs. Nalbone
I am not sure if haynos was on the active roster for the entire season last year, but if so he is not eligible for PS, and I don’t see them just cutting him. Markus above said they keep Haynos and put Nalbone on PS, and that might be an option.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think Haynos was on the active roster the entire last season
I’m starting to wonder in Matt Roth is ever coming back.
Great write-up Matty.
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Switch it nalbone on the team for his blocking and haynos as a developmental project
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as I have read
it seems to me that Nalbone has been the more consistant of the two TE’s I know they like haynos but hell…thats gonna be a hard decisicion to make!
completely agree with you here bud!
i just think that unless Haynos is completely underperforming, he has a couple of edges. First, they have seen him in a real game situation, and he has done well. He’s got very good hands, runs really well, and seems to be solid in blocking.
Second, his size. i mean seriously, if the guy’s skills can be developed, 6’8" – 270???… you can’t coach that! =)
Whoever says size doesn’t matter is lying, and whoever believes it is small.
And you know how the Triad loves size1
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
size doesn't matter lol
I agree with you on Haynos. I wonder if they would consider dealing David “The Flying Squirrel” Martin and keeping both Nalbone and Haynos, who are both better blockers as far as I know. If Fasano can be the go-to TE receiver, and Nalbone and Haynos can at least be a threat, I think that would be a good option.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
Never thought of that. That would work as long as Fasano stays healthy. Wonder what we’d get for Martin?
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i'd take a 5th rounder for Martin
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by Souwantmyname on Aug 25, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
see, you are lying again!
lol
I was thinking about the same thing with Martin. Martin is good, but the reality is that he isn’t great. And he has not historically been all the consistent, although he was pretty good last year.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
not lying
just small lol
But yeah that’s what I’m thinking, he could be the odd man out due to his blocking..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
actually his
blocking while not great isn’t bad… just look at the b-more game… he held up a little better than VC on some of those blitz packages.. but the fact that they like fassano and that he’s in the last year of his contract makes him possible fodder… or at least more than the blocking (which i suspect he graded out higher than fassano last year)…
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by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
nalbone should make the team
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Its too bad about London
dudes got talent. im sure he’s going to make someones roster. the chiefs could use a WR here in KC where im at. Go Fins!
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what is the world coming too?
At least trade him and get something.
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Question
Does anyone have an opinion on how well Wilson has played?
I mean, personally, I have not really noticed him as much as Culver, and it also doesn’t seem like the great “BELL/WILSON Hardest Hitting Safety Tandem” thing we were all talking about has made itself evident.
I mean, is Wilson really locked in as the starter because he is much better than Clemons or Culver, or is it just a default for now because of knowledge required to make the D backfield calls?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions
You have to remember it is still preseason
Bell and Wilson show respect towards other players by just going for the wrap up tackle, instead of hitting them hard and potentially injuring them for no real purpose
Ted Ginn is the man.
no, i hear ya man
but i was really asking about the gap between Wilson and the other guys. I mean, have you actually seen Wilson making any plays?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute?!?!?!?
Are you suggesting again that another player was given a starting job without having to earn it?!?!?!
L2D - I think Matty is saying that he earned the starting job and the contract proves it!
but it WAS a funny comment!
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difference here is that Wilson is a proven commodity.
Put on the film and watch how he performs at the NFL level. But you don’t just hand inexperienced players jobs (cough – Henne – cough)
I completely agree with you on Henne,
it’s when you start throwing around the earning a spot deal with proven players, or players competing against scrubs (cough McCown cough Beck cough).
you lost me
the only time i’ve ever brought up the “u have to earn your playing time” argument is in regards to Henne. As far as Beck goes, I thought he would win the starting job cus I believed he was going to be a good QB. Obviously, I was wrong. But I never said to hand him the job, did I?
Pennington...
You said when he was brought in, he had to earn the starting job. But we all know he was signed because Beck and McCown sucked. Your argument was nobody should be handed a starting job, without earning it. And in most cases I agree with you, but in cases like Pennington, Porter, and Wilson…it’s not going to happen. They were signed to start right away.
I still think I was accurate.
If Beck or McCown outplayed CP during camp and preseason last year, don’t you think they would have started?
If it was at all possible that they could outplay Pennington, maybe.
But we both know that wasn’t going to happen. If the coaches had any hope that either of those QB’s were worth a damn, they would never have signed Pennington.
This situation is no different.
They brought in Wilson to be the starter, point blank. They didn’t bring him in here so he could compete with back ups and draft picks.
And Wilford too...
No doubt.
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by The Phinisher on Aug 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
in most organizations yes
but with the new regime everyone had to earn their job
noone is or was a lock.
for example wilford and eric green. both guaranteed contract people could not beat out others with less of a resume and less guaranteed money. so they did not start… its as simple as that.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Wilson, Fasano, Ferguson, and Ayodele?
You really think they had to compete with anyone for their starting spots?
yes, looking at the depth at those positions
there isnt much to compete with
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's my whole point to marquee FA aquisitions...
A team isn’t going to sign one of those players to have them compete with back ups. They sign them to start right away. The examples you gave aren’t marquee FAs. They were singed for small contracts compared to people like Porter, Grove, and Wilson. Wilford and Green are perfect examples of cheap veterans brought in to push your current back ups to excel.
well the reason they get those contracts
is because they’re good. you dont get those contracts if you have talent that can be over come by backups. i think you are just trying to make an issue where there is none there. wilson is a superbowl safety who was the #1 safety against the run. you dont bench a guy like that unless there is amazing talent behind him. and there isnt. culver is average. plus he fits in great as a backup safety. there were plays last year where we had 3 safeties on the field. culver was one of them. no reason for that to change.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't really making an issue
I just like messing with Matty because of his comments how no one should be given a starting job, they should have to earn it. So instances like this prove my point that teams give starting jobs to people all the time without them technically earning them.
even if u think they dont earn them during camp
they have earned them on other nfl teams. so they do “technically” earn the job.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because a guy played good one year.....
Doesn’t mean he’ll repeat that performance the next, with another team and a fat contract. It’s happened so many times before.
example being eric green and wilford
both got cut. what else do u want?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Green and Wilford did not have good years
Prior to being signed by us. Green was benched, and Wilford had 45 catches for 518 yds with 3 TDs. I was talking about players like Emmitt Smith, Ahman Green, David Boston, Javon Walker, Andre Rison, Larry Brown, Adam Archuleta, Dale Carter, and who could forget Scott Mitchell. Those players were signed, handed the starting job, and played like crap. Without having to earn the spot. It may not be the right thing to do, but it happens.
but we dont have players like that?
so whats your point?
gibril wilson does not fall into that category
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yay =D
so i win lol?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he did....
But you never know until the season plays out. You’ve taken this off point. I was only pointing out Matty’s hypocrisy at stating Wilson deserved to start based on his contract, after he had previously stated in another thread that everyone should have to earn a starting job regardless of the size of their contract, where they were drafted, etc..
havent seen any big plays out of wilson
but i did see his leadership in the 1st game when vontae davis got out of line. those are the kind of guys u want starting. and he has the resume, so he automatically deserves the starting spot.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
have I mentioned before
that he won a ring as a FS? lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, it was all him too...
if it wasn’t for wilson, they wouldn’t have won that game
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
LCFF sarcasm is world famous
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Dexter Jackson won a SB as a FS too, hell he was even MVP.
Who does he play for again? Oh, that’s right. He’s unemployed. Maybe we should sign him.
um ya gibril wilson hasnt done anything wrong
or been burned or anything yet.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 25, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you don’t remember when I said that in EVERY SINGLE POST when we signed Wilson just to piss off everyone who said it was a bad move lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm excited to see Clemons get some PT in the regular season
Last year, they used Culver alot on 3rd downs (I’m assuming because he’s a better tackler than Renaldo Hill was), so I think they may do the same with Clemons in certain situations if he presents a better matchup for us than one of the other safeties (playing deep over the top against speedy WR’s or something). I believe he’s the only TRUE FS on the roster, with Wilson, Bell, and Culver all being natural strong safeties. But, the edge goes to Wilson at that spot because of experience, leadership in the secondary, and because he’s played FS at a high level before.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wasn't he the dime back
the last 3 or 4 games? IIRC – that is likely why you saw him on the field.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i think wilson is a much needed leader in our secondary
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
I totally agree with only keeping five receivers
As much as I like London, keeping Turner/ Hartline/ and Lex seems to be the smartest move. We’ll see as preseason progresses if Lex keeps it up.
I’d like to see Hilliard play a little against first team D just to see how he stacks up. Wishful thinking though
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Matt Roth
Nice Post Matty.
I can’t see Matt Roth being on this team when the season starts. This “groin injury” seems to be a contract issue. JT wasn’t supposed to interfere with the progress of the young players, but if the Trifecta was going to let him walk after this season anyways, then JT wouldn’t be interfering with his development. Maybe another trade with KC – for a 4th or 5ht rd pick?
BTW – anyone see Peter Kings list of top 10 rookies so far in the pre-season? No mention of Sean Smith…..
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't call him an idiot,
I think Sean Smith not playing the second game might have hurt his chances of making that list.
... oh p-a-l-e-e-z....
… you really believe that..?
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Actually I do.
But it could also be because King didn’t cover the Dolphins training camp, so he hasn’t really gotten a good look at Smith.
This is exactly the reason for my being cynical...
… why post a list based on partial knowledge..?
I haven’t seen the list, so let me guess…. one of these was on the list…
Chung, Patrick SS
Brace, Ron DT
Butler, Darius CB
Vollmer, Sebastian OL
Tate, Brandon WR
McKenzie, Tyrone OLB
Ohrnberger, Rich OG
Bussey, George OT
Ingram, Jake LS
Pryor, Myron DT
Edelman, Julian QB
Richard, Darryl DT
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<<sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/25/mail/index.html>>
here’s the link…if it works
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually only Edelman was on his list.
The others…
Percy Harvin
Glen Coffee
James Laurinaitis
Ziggy Hood
Alphonso Smith
Lesean McCoy
Nic Harris
Austin Collie
Stefan Logan
The list was called 10 rookies who impressed....
So wouldn’t it stand to reason he would pick from guys he’s seen personally?
... my point is that the list is biased... King is biased....
That list I provided, is New England’s draft picks this year… am I surprised… hell no!!
How does a 7th round QB impress more than Sean Smith..? Why snub the other teams’ picks..? That’s like picking the final four on Miss America by picking from a few contestants because that’s all you’ve seen.
Yeah… that’s fair…
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"What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?" - Chris Doleman
It was a list of rookies who impressed him...
Why would he say Sean Smith impressed him if he has not seen him play in person? He picked players that he personally saw in either pre-season games or in training camp. I say that’s pretty admirable, rather than compiling a list based on others perceptions or highlights.
Then the list should have been titled - 10 rookies that impressed me when I saw them in person
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I'm sorry, I guess I shouldn't have paraphrased the title for you
Go to www.si.com and see for yourself the title of his article on the front page under Peter King’s mailbag. It says right there; The 10 rookies who have been the most impressive so far this preseason in Peter King’s eyes.
Ahhhhhhhhh much better.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If its a contract ploy, its pretty dumb....Tuna won't play that game
But, we know who Roths’ agent is, don’t we? (NEXT QUESTION!)
I have almost resigned myself to the possibility that he may not be on this team much longer…I just think that a contract ply(if this is one) going into your contract YEAR is dumb…his PLAY could do his negotiating for him! Not to mention (again) that the man in charge is not likely to cowtow to Rosenhaus’s demands.
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I think the groin is hurt more than he's letting on....
He’ll probably end up on the PUP list for the first six games, then he’ll have to play like a beast if he wants to get another contract from any team.
I want the Phins to keep 5 wr's and 6 corners
Allen, Smith, Davis, Nate Jones are virtual locks imo. I want the Phins to cut Jason Allen and pick up 1 or 2 veteran corners off the waiver wire. Joey Thomas may be worth keeping but I think better corners will be out there.
Whatever the case Miami is gonna need 6 corners since NE and the Jets utilize 5wr sets. We weren’t ready for it last year and I don’t want to make the same mistake again
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
You just won't be happy till Jason Allen is gone will you?
Thankfully the brain trust must know something you don’t. Cause nobody can blame anything other than Allen has impressed the coaches for the reason he’s still on the team (salary cap hits didn’t help Eric Green or Ernest Wilford).
See....
I knew you’d finally get on the bandwagon….I never said the guy is pro bowl material, but he’s definitely a contributor and worth a roster spot.
How much more terrible play do you need to see of Jason Allen?
He SHOULD have been cut after his performance versus NE last year but somehow managed to hold on to the last corner roster spot. I am pissed that suck a terrible player is STILL on our team. I do not give a sh*t at how athletic he is. Maybe that was enough in college to be good but he can’t play in the NFL that’s for damn sure
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 26, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're still hung up on that NE game?
The one where according to your own statements, Jason Allen gave up two touchdowns to Randy Moss in the first half (I’m sure there have been better and worse that have been victimized just as bad), then was put onto Welker and Gaffney in the second half. But the problem with your argument is that out of the 13 catches for over 200 yds Welker and Gaffney had that game, only one catch for like 20 yds was in the second half. So you want to beat up a guy for not being able to defend the best WR in the game? You better start including just about every other CB in the league then.
seriously
you’re hung up on him being left one on one with randy moss and getting burned by moss (and the refs) and not throw any hatred at the coaching staff?? who the heck leaves anyone one on one with moss….
and why didn’t you complain when they send allen up against marshall & evans and kept them quiet…. while he wasn’t exactly a rookie – it was his first year at cb and his first year under the new admin… yes he isn’t the brightest bulb – but the kid makes plays when given a chance… give him time to learn.
plus the guy is a solid STer… so you can’t fault his desire or effort.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
i have a fee;ling we're going to want to resign JT after he wins SB MVP this season
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
would be nice...
but let’s no go overboard here. I’ve been nicely surprised by his play this year so far and he doesn’t look like he needs to retire any time soon. In a limited role as a situational pass rusher next year (backing up Cam Wake), he could very well be back.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 25, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I want JT as long as he plays
He is a dolphin through and through and I love his leadership
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Aug 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
at least our coaches know how to use the 2 of them together….unlike Camuller.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 25, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
it's nice to dream, right?
If that did happen, I’d have to imagine he might seriously consider retiring and going out on top – as a SB champ, SB MVP in his own stadium. Doesn’t get better than that.
Hey if ya got 1 ring, why not go for 2!
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
that would be a fairytale ending
and of all people for it to happen to, JT would be my second pick (behind Dannyboy of course).
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
Taylor still has it
I’m convinced Jason Taylor can still has what it takes to make Tom, Mark and trent shit themselves on every down. And we can give him a breather and let Cam Wake strike feer into those QB’s hearts.
I believe the dolphins will pick up another ILB on the waiver wire IMO there will be players better than Torbor out there
I say we bring in Derrick Brooks!!
Why not? He can still play good enough for at least 15-20 snaps a game.
doorways not wide enough for his walker. JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets had to widen all their doorways for fat arse, so maybe he goes there
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hey actually
torbor has been playing pretty well this pre-season (esp compared to last year)…
but i do agree the team needs some youth at ILB…. and wouldn’t be surprised with some waiver wire chumming.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 25, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
going into the draft – i figured he was likely gone and that they would pick up at least one ILB to challenge for the spot, but he’s been so active that now i’m even uncertain that they hit the waiver wire for some added depth there.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
JT will definitely have a solid season
Last year he was out of place and just out of sorts….he is not THAT far removed from being the DPOY…..the front seven really gets me amped up! I almost take pity on some opposing offensive lines…ALMOST!
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Looks good, and yeah tough to find a way to keep 6 WRs
There’s really no chance Armstrong sneaks onto the PS again, is there? Someone will claim him, I’m sure.
QUESTION: Does anyone else think Starks may be suspended by the NFL for at least one game for his misdemeanor incident?
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Maybe Goodell is preoccupied investigating Oakland coaching incidents?
lol
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Just a general comment
YEREMIAH BELL IS A GOD!
that is all! LOL
(I have to be the only Dolfan in NJ with a Bell 37 jersey!)
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Get it custom
With “Kentucky Steel” on the back.
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by The Phinisher on Aug 25, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos Matty I
Really good job breaking it down.
I especially like your assessment of the receiver situation. The running backs on this team, Hilliard included (he was pretty awesome out of the slot last week on that one play), can all play wide out. Particularly Cobbs.
Moses, and you know I’ve been an advocate of his for a while, has always played well. He has produced every time he gets some play time and has been very impressive this camp. OLB, like receiver, is one of those positions where guys take a couple of years to convert to the pro style. Especially since they’re converting (mostly) from DE to OLB.
Good job again.
BTW: Sparano graded Hilliard’s first game on special teams as spectacular and the second as just being good. He said he always shows a high motor and that he might let him return a kick.
Hilliard is moving in the preseason like he did in his Montana splash tape. Nimble feet for such a big dude.
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Hilliard kick returning would be very interesting! I'd like to see that early in 3rd PS game
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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