Henne is the messiah . . .
by PhinsTifosi on Aug 23, 2009 6:33 PM EDT
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I am sick and tired of all the BS that Henne is “the messiah” and that CP is just a caretaker progress-stopper and all that other BS that has been spouted here! Anyone who has the gall to say that Henne would have made this pass or that pass or not cost the Phins 11 points so far in the PS needs to whip out their crystal ball and lay out EXACTLY what will happen this year to a less than interested 3rd party. (I nominate Teal Deal or Temson - reasonable realistic closet Phins fans). My crystal ball broke years ago, and the replacement has been on back order from Office Depot for years!
I have asked several of the Henne lovers here who talk about him being "our" "franchise QB" just exactly what is THEIR definition of "franchise QB"
I have asked this question about 5 or 6 times over the last month or so. To date none of them has been willing to post THEIR definition of “franchise QB” (nor even someone else’s!)
If the definition of “franchise QB” is that the only prerequisite is he can throw the ball 50 yards downfield, then I do not want to see Phins get a franchise QB
If the definition of “franchise QB” is a QB that gets wins, low TO rate, protects the ball and the team, is a LEADER not a bloody prima dona, then . . . gee . . . we HAVE one! – CP10
CP10 was an integral and important part of this TEAM going from 1-15 to winning the AFCE in ONE season! If you can not give the man the respect he has EARNED than IMHO you have no business posting here! This place is for fans of the TEAM, not one individual. If you want to heap praise on ONE player go to the Pats Pulpit, ’cause as far as Patsie fans and the media, there is ONLY one player there that counts!
Griese did not have Marino's arm and Henne is no Marino
And Griese has rings and Marino doesn’t.
I will take a Griese style QB as my franchise QB any day of the millenia!
(Matty, notice that I cleaned it up from the comment stage to the Post stage - does NOT mean I am any less ticked off, just that I respect you!)
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I couldn’t have said it any better!
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 23, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
i gotta say
i agree so whole heartedly with everything you said, that you sir, get one rec’d from me.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
Thanks DIB, sam & Medic. I never thought I would post here, much less 3 recs in 25 min!
I agree with what tuscan said as well – that to be a true franchise QB takes several seasons of success. My point is that CP10 has taken that first very big step on that road!
The people here are the true hard-core fans of the Phins. They know a lot more about the game as well as each player on the team. I count myself as one of them, because of what I have learned from everyone here, Matty especially! I could name a whole bunch more, but suffice it to say that if you have been here posting comments and posts for the last 2 months I mean you. Even if I don’t always agree with you, I still respect you and your knowledge.
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december makes
12 months as a phinsider for me. still earning my stripes =)
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
The first big step on that road???
You realize this is his 10th year right? He missed that road along time ago. As for your definition of a franchise QB, I’ll agree with most of it. But I think you need to be more specific about getting wins. A true franchise QB wins games not only in the regular season, but under pressure in the playoffs. Penne’s record in the playoffs, 2-4. That’s why good defenses play a tight zone, cutting off the middle of the field, leaving the sidelines and deep pass open (throws Penne can’t make). Now I’m not ready to say Henne is a franchise QB either, but he has more potential than Penne does. As far as using Griese as an example, it’s too outdated an argument. The league was a run heavy league at the time, and the Dolphins had the best running game at the time (1972 they avg. over 200 yds rushing a game). If you want to win playoff games with a weak armed QB, you gotta have a dominant running game.
I kinda think we DO have that dominant run game this year! Don't you?
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm hoping so, but not totally convinced yet.
Perceptions don’t produce yards.
amen
had to bang my head against the table a couple times cause i though i logged in under the wrong name.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
no sh!t office depot huh who da thunk?
by wild zion beaver on Aug 23, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions
beav!
whats up fool. what are u drinkin today?
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
well cheers
i gotta go on patrol in 15 minutes. isnt that some sh*t. patrol at 3am.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
yo pape keep ya eyes open & your but down
by wild zion beaver on Aug 23, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pack clean skivvy's too
the skivvy’s were for the english blokes out there.
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Henne is any kind of messiah
Is he the future of franchise? Yes. You don’t like, you can follow Pennington out if he doesn’t take a backseat to Henne next year or maybe this year.
Pennington is a great guy, a proven leader, but he is also a 33 yr old QB on his last legs with a noodle arm thats doing nothing but getting worse.
You sir posted:
This place is for fans of the TEAM, not one individual.
And you are correct.
Pennington was a part of turning this team around, but he was not the REASON. This team turned around when they hired Bill Parcells. Then with the coaches coming in, letting go of the dead weight. Smart drafting (it seems) and gettin quality FA, not overpaying for big names.
You also posted:
If you want to heap praise on ONE player go to the Pats Pulpit.
Or we can come to this fanpost and read how great Pennington is.
Pennington Helped us win some games, yes, but don’t fool yourself or us telling us he is the reason. We won alot of games by solid OL play. Two (some will argue 3 or even more) RBs. The wildcat formation. And a revamp (of sorts) defense.
Champs and Franchise QBs are made in the post season and lets go back to the Ravens-Fins game and see how our Franchise QB did then. Better yet go to all of Pennington’s playoff game and see how he has performed.
We are a rebuilding team looking to the future, don’t let last yearss sucess fool you. Get with it bud, Chad knows he came in for 2 years, everyone knows that. The coaching staff raves about Henne and from what I’ve seen them do with the Fins so far it looks like they know what they are doing.
If they believe in Henne, I do too. I’m all for the future, and finsihing the rebuilding process. And won’t mortgage it because we had 1 dream season with a great guy at the helm.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
by Neo on Aug 23, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
u might be neo, but your not the one
if you think penne is not the reason for our turnaround last year. w/o cp10 we only win 6 games last year, max.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
how many season's did marino win 11 games in exzakly
by wild zion beaver on Aug 23, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
ANd how many do you think we win with no Ronnie/RIcky or the wildcat formation?
Or if TOny was not our HC or If Parcells wasn’t here? Or J-Peezy’s going on a sack tear? Need I go on?
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I specifically did NOT talk about how great CP is. Many of the CP haters have shown a total lack of respect for him.
They talk about how Henne would have made this throw, or made it better, or that having CP in the 2 PS games so far cost the Phins 11 points, etc. Some have said trade CP NOW the heck with waiting for next year for Henne to start!
I DO trust the trifecta. They have said CP is the starter this year. Part of that is probably respect for what and how he did last year and another part is that they (you know, the guys who are paid VERY well because of their football knowledge) obviously do not think Henne is ready.
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That IS a much better way to put it. Much more realistic.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Cause I know you don't have a crystal ball that works, cause you would have known that Henne wouldn't be in to try to make the throw.
LOL
Saying he would have made it does not take into account the overthrows or ones too hot to handle that he has made so far this PS.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll admit the guy needs some refining.
But he definitely has the ability to open up our offense, which would allow us to expand the playbook, and give defenses a harder time. You do have to remember that this last preseason game was the longest time he’s been in a NFL game that I can think of.
so if the lame ducker is so good
why was the team 2nd to last in the league at the 1/2 way point in 3rd and 8 or longer (2-32) and bottow five in td’s in the red zone….
since you can’t checkdown and get td’s and first downs….
why do you show so little respect for ronnie. he WAS the reason the team made the playoffs. he was the reason they had an offense in the red zone, he was the guy that DC’s game planed against…. and some how the team was 11-5 with the lame ducker starting but 11-3 with ronnie starting.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I have nothing but respect for Ronnie. It is a team game. Ronnie couldn't have done it all on his own. Nor could CP.
Nor could any player ever to be in the NFL.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
CP10 is the caretaker.
Everyone knows this, even CP10 knows it.
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hmmmmmmmmmmm has CP said that? Have you read the quote from him? (Matty put it in a front paged fan shot)
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You're kidding yourself right?
You don’t draft back to back 2nd round QBs just to hold onto CP10 for the duration of his NFL career. It does NOT MAKE SENSE. When Chad Henne, Pat White, or any other QB is ready to start or if CP10 starts blowing, they will take the reigns.
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Actually
At least that’s the plan to anyone who understands the situation, including the 33-year-old Pennington, who is entering the final year of his contract with no talks about an extension under way. The Dolphins’ plan to have Pennington lead the transition to second-year quarterback Chad Henne(notes) is about as secret as Kim Kardashian’s love life.
"This organization has been up front with me from day one. It’s not like they’re trying to pull the wool over my eyes," Pennington said. "They told me from day one what their future goals were and why they drafted [Henne]. – Pennington
Nice article might wanna read it:
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
I read it. Does that give anyone the right to show so little respect to him?
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CP10 is well respected
He saved a dire situation, lemons into lemonade so to speak, but that doesn’t mean he is a franchise QB.
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Not sure I put a "definition" on it
put it sure isn’t a 33 yr old qb at the end of his career. I would think he’d have to be at least mid 20s.?
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- Job 13:5
IMO
it’s a guy in his prime, who takes care of the ball, and can either take over and win the game, or be conservative and NOT lose the game.
A guy like Manning, Brady, and those types, who know exactly when to take a chance at the end zone, or throw it away and punt.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing I would add Nicky is that the rest of the O wants him to lead them to victory and the D wants to get the ball back in his hands!
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well I left out a whole lot but yeah that one too
that would fall under the all-encompassing term of Leadership. That covers many things, from practice habits, knowing how to break down film, gaining the respect of your teammates, being the “coach on the field,” inspiring the O and D like you mentioned, deflecting praise and absorbing blame (which takes the pressure off his teammates), and a host of other things that a QB does outside of just passing the ball.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
much easier to type
than everything I listed lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Neo - "it sure isn’t a 33 yr old qb at the end of his career"
lets see:
Bob Griese – 27 at 1st SB win – 6th year for same team (6 Pro Bowls)
Joe Willie – 25 at only SB win – 3rd year for same team (1 Pro Bowl)
Joe Montana – 29 at 1st SB win – 4th year for same team, 34 for last SB win (8 ProB)
Tom Brady – 25 at 1st SB win – 3rd year for same team, 32 this year (4 ProB)
I guess Tommie boy is no longer a “franchise QB”
And Montana wasn’t a “franchise QB” when 49’s won 4th SB he QBed. Just a fluke.
The one thing that stands out to me is that ALL of them had played for ONE team for at least THREE years before they won a SB. Half were spot on your age requirement, half were over it. Montana was almost as old as CP when 49’s won last SB!
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What I'm saying
The oldest of those guys was Montana at age 25 when he joined his team, with a good 10 yrd to be his team QB.
You can’t come in at 32-33 yrs old on a rebuilding team, and make no mistake about it, thats what we are, and be that “franchise qb”.
I’ll argue anyone about that, lets go.
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
lets see
brady was born aug 1977 and he won a superbowl in his 2nd season with the pats (2001 – drafted in 2000)
that makes him 24 for the first win… (kind of lines up with henne?)
montana won the superbowl in 1981 his 3rd season (drafted in 1979) and he was born 1956 … i think that makes him 25…
so i think you should check some of your facts.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
got em from wickpedia
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
that's where i double checked my memory
so either you can’t add or read or my memory is wrong.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess since I have been a Certified Public Accountant for more than 20 years, I guess I can add and read
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I will say that I took some notes and I may have written something down wrong, but I was trying to be careful
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 26, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
remind me to use someone else for my taxes then
but i suspect on brady you notice that he was drafted in 2000 and won a superbowl in feb of 2002 and didn’t understand forgot that the 2002 superbowl is the final on the 2001 season.
no idea how you have montana winning his first at 29 but the 4th season vs 3rd was likely the same mistake as with brady.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
don't do taxes anyway - only work with people with common sense anyway
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
so how do you have any business?
if they have common sense then….
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess that means that
i should double check your griese/namath numbers too and see if they balance.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 26, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
knock yourself out
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
See examples of failed franchise Qbs
Franchise Qb-
Failed: Byron Leftwich
Success: Aaron rodgers
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
matty ice
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by finsxfactor on Aug 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
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by finsxfactor on Aug 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
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by finsxfactor on Aug 23, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
alright buddy just get off your knees and just realize...cp isnt worth a damn anymore
he honestly hinders us more than he helps.
franchise qb – someone who can win, make all the throws, and lead this team for 9+ years, someone who you buiild a team around, and definetly someone who isnt a lame duck noodle arm progress stopper like chad pennington
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Been waiting for your comments X.
I do NOT worship CP. I DO respect him.
Obviously the trifecta do not think Henne is ready to start, so I trust them and their knowledge & wisdom. They have been there, done that and won it.
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i dont think the get off your knees comment was about worshiping
=P
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
LAMBO!!! YOU get my jokes!!!!
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by finsxfactor on Aug 23, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
My heart bleeds when you guys fight amongst each other :''''''''(
Seeking inspiration to fill this space...
by Andy Edwards on Aug 23, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And to think I just anointed King CP10
and the Messiah comes along!
Great, just great.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
please let it die
no more CP vs Henne. No more. So boring. Especially when we are all subjected to ridiculous terms like “lame ducker” and “progress stopper.”
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Nicky - I was sooooooooooooo pissed by 2 comments about the Panthers & Jax games
1 – that Henne would have made this pass or made it better
2 – that CP has “cost” us 11 points between the 2 games.
I am sick and tired of the crystal ball comments that I was about to puke. I decided to post instead.
I agree with you whole heartedly.
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#1
wideopen throw
no accuracy needed… any qb with decent arm strength could have made that throw… unless the defender had some serious nitrous it was a guaranteed touchdown if the throw reached him.
just pointing out the facts… no crystal ball needed. no controversy intended =D.
as fans if we dont point out the flaws in our players we are blind and unintelligent.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There were comments about several of CP's passes. And Henne's passes that were overthrown or too hot were ignored by the CP10 haters.
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I almost went off on the hate RunRickyRun comments about him dropping a TD pass.
If a player isn’t perfect 100% of the time there are some people who think they should be traded or cut because of 1 little mistake. (Yes, that was an actual comment – trade RunRickyRun right now ’cause he dropped that TD pass!)
It is stupid! Inane! Uninformed! Noodle-brained! Limp-richarded!
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that is definitely true
u cant base it on a single play
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
or a single game for that matter
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can't trade Ricky
he’s a very good compliment to Ronnie, because he’s got that big play speed, and he has great hands out of the backfield. Everybody drops passes.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention, cheap
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.
- Job 13:5
yeah that too
question… do you think we can keep four backs? Hilliard really ran hard the other night (I caught most of the second half in a bar)
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I was very impressed with Hilliard
I would pick him over Polite and even Cobbs. Put em all on SP and call it a day.-)
Hell put em all on the field and have the defense guess who gonna get it.
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lol we should run the wishbone
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if we keep 5 receivers and 3 tight ends we can.
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lol who was saying trade ricky? im saying trade cobbs and get the leonard leaper!!!
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by finsxfactor on Aug 23, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember who said it, but it was said.
What I would really like is for all the CP haters and RunRickyRun haters to
first: they have to takle RunRickyRun with him at full speed right at them
second: they have to take head on sacks from Peezey, then JT, then Cam Wake, and last but not least Ferguson
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and several of penny's passes deserved to be pointed out
the ted ginn pass interference call from the jags game is another one. but ya i agree its wrong to point out one players inconsistencies and not anothers. but to be fair to the haters they didnt point out penny’s incompletions, so there was no need to point out henne’s. chad henne was chewed out by many posters here for his interception throw against the jaguars. so i think MOST people on here are offering fair criticism.
its kind of hard not to point out the under throws when they are happening consistently. its a good argument though… ben rothlesburger had worse stats than pennington and no one is calling for him to be benched.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The under throws are a problem
I won’t argue with that. But the limitations in Pennington’s arm kinda mirror the bad habits Henne has shown also. Staring down your WR, throwing off target into coverage, or making a bad read is just as damaging as coming up short on a deep ball, so it’s not like either guy is perfect.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
never said they were
agree with u completely
i just think theres no need to get angry when a fan points out a flaw in their own player.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
there isn't
I think a lot of people are so tired of this debate and the needless bashing that Pennington gets that any criticism is taken as a slight. The Henne-Penne debate has really killed any real debate and analysis on the QB position…
I’m gonna be the annoying Pat White guy from now on lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
lol im with u
dude gets first down period
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We should just stick him in shotgun with Ronnie and Ricky
and run the triple option lol. Forget real offense.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yezzir
sexy
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah heck, lets just name Ronnie as our QB, with RunRickyRun, Polite, and the 2 who are trying to make the team (their names escape me at the moment - age thing you know) all in the backfield at once - quintuple reverses! Wedges of RB's & FB's leading
Ronnie downfield! TD every time! Who needs 3 QB roster spots?
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just typing
Henne has a stronger arm, and there are throws he can make that Pennington can’t. That’s fact. But Pennington is also more accurate and has better timing than Henne, so there are also passes that Pennington throws much better than Henne. Playing QB isn’t all about loading up and throwing the ball through a brick wall. All I’m saying is that just because Henne has a cannon (and the kid DOES have a cannon) doesn’t mean he does everything better than Pennington.
I for one, am looking forward to Henne taking the reigns of this team, he looks legit, except for a few correctable habits (such as staring down his WR’s).
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but you have to be given time with the recievers to develop that sense of knowing where they are.
And one thing i see in henne, that you dont see in some of these busts of a qbs, is that willingness to take that hit as long as they can get that ball in there. You see in preseason that he has no problem stepping up into the pocket and rocketing that pass to the reciever despite the eminent defender about to hit him.
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He does step up well in the pocket
and he does show no fear of the hit.. but he still stares down the WR’s. And he still has to fix it.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 24, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
well since
ireland and sparano coined the term “progress stopper” i think it’s an apt discription…
where as lame ducker is mine…. but then if the pennington walks like a limping duck, quacks like a limping duck, and water bounces off his slanted back, then the shoe fits.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 24, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't it at least partly Sparano's choice who starts at QB?
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Let’s not be so quick to crown Henne.
I personally respect Pennington a lot (even when he was a Jet). He might not have the best arm, but the guy is very accurate. To me, that counts for a lot more than a big arm.
Big playoff runs happen when the QB doesn’t turn the ball over. History bears out this basic dictum time and time again.
Now some will say that Pennington’s performance against Baltimore is evidence that we do need a QB who throws the football with a bit more velocity, as good defenses can take away the short to intermediate passing routes that Pennington excels in. But the real reason why we lost the Balt. games (both of them) was because we were beaten at the line of scrimmage. Pennington simply didn’t have enough time to throw the ball to where it needed to go. Had the o-line held, it might have been a closer game.
Here’s to hoping that Parcells and Co. think long and hard before letting Pennington walk. I’ve come to appreciate having competent quarterbacking after years of turmoil and frustration at the position.
by liberty513 on Aug 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
ya elway didn't win the cheese, until he got a runnin back. for all that arm, they was gonna lable him as a (B)!
by wild zion beaver on Aug 27, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He may not have won it,
But he at least gave them 3 chances at it before he finally did get one. Taking your team to 3 super bowls in 4 years would hardly consider a guy a bust. That’s like saying Marino is a bust cause he only took the Dolphins to one super bowl.
fran tarkington also 3 suppers in 4 years
by wild zion beaver on Aug 27, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
oh theres one more jim or somthing played for the bufs!!!
by wild zion beaver on Aug 28, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, Jim Kelly had a good arm.
He could make all the throws to Lofton and Reed.
Plus
He got screwed by a guy named Scott Norwood.
see this is exactly the kind of intelligent debate
over the qb controversy we need =D
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s to hoping that Parcells and Co. think long and hard before letting Pennington walk
I think 2 yrs is plenty of time.
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where does Tebow fit in to all that?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't
Now that we have White.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be all for drafting him if we didn't get white
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I’m sure he’d be a good ILB next to Crowder too lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
wherever he is
he’d be a beast
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just getting prepared for the next huge Phinsider debate
next draft, when Tebow comes out lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
the debate will come but it'll be pointless because we wont draft him because he's a loser face lol
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Personally I think Tebow may be remembered as the greatest college QB ever.
If only because of his leadership to & for the team. This is especially true if UF wins National Champ again this year.
I don’t think his skill set transfers well to NFL style of QB play, so I don’t really see him drafted as nor used as an NFL QB. More like a TE than WR. I haven’t seen the burner speed for an NFL WR from him. If he is TE or WR he could be one of the best ever though because of understanding what the QB is facing, reading D, etc.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea if he played for "The U"
Parcells, Ireland didn’t use a 2nd rd pick for some guy to come in on a bit of WC plays, backup QB has to be in thier plans, unless they are gonna use him as a WR.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
UM that is
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Back off!!!!!
Tebow is ours (Jaguars), we have dibs since he was born (That’s why we’re so close to gainesville)
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he doesnt. he's a lame weiner warrior who likes to cross dress and have tea parties
lol im gonna die laughing when he gets drafted by the raiders…lol…a place where whatever little talent tebow has will just die instantly. the black hole of the nfl. not because its scary and shit, its because thats where talent is sucked up out of your body. if you dont get out fast then you are done.
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think its safe to say that about anyone going to Oak
You die a slow painful career of Losses. Al davis is the Crip keeper and you are one of the graves.
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well said
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 23, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
problem is that when teams are able to stack the box and just have a good safety just free lance back there, we cant capitalize with a pennington
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
lets not repeat history...
We’re always always chasing new QBs. Even myself got caught up with the lets get Henne out there now fad.
Yeah we drafted two second round QBs and rightly so… you can’t not have a QB. Lets face it though things have changed on the better. Pennington has another year to prove it, and if he stays consistent then its time for that extension. If we don’t someone else will and we’ll be stuck with a QB who really didn’t earn the starting job, potentially sending us back to where we started after ditching Marino.
The Ravens game sucked =(. We were down on WRs with little depth. Their secondary was awesome, their defensive line was fast. The Ravens were also very well known for stopping the run. Is there anyone who could’ve honestly dealt with that situation any better?
by metalhead86 on Aug 24, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
the reason why history keeps repeating itself is because we keep going with a caretaker and never just going through and forward with trying to get that franchise guy
arent you sick of all the gus ferrotes, the brian grieses, the trent green, culpeppers, and now the cp.
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
How many teams out there do you think would bend over for a QB situation like CP10?
You never know but we could be one of them. Personally I hope not cause Henne is a badass Id like to see carry the team for a long time to come.
by metalhead86 on Aug 24, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly then trade him right?
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
That comment gets you a one on one face to face with RunRickyRun coming at you at full speed . . .
your job is to tackle him!
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by metalhead86 on Aug 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Good. Cause somebody did post that we should trade him, and they meant it! Just do not remember who said it.
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another good reason to keep CP10
Look back at the games we win. In the 4th quarter our defense gets us the opportunity on offense. Chad Pennington proves his worth as starting QB by executing game winning drives. He finishes the game and brings out winning mentalities, the difference between going 5-11 and 11-5.
by metalhead86 on Aug 24, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
that "get the franchise guy" hasn't worked out yet either
Feidler was a back up who got his shot with us. Ray Lucas was a young hotshot who was supposed to be our guy. AJ Feeley shined with Philly when McNabb went down, and was supposed to carry that over when we signed him. Cleo worked out so well. Beck, even better. Both Griese and Culpepper were brought in to be franchise guys, not caretakers. Don’t act like all we’ve done for the last decade is sign caretakers, we haven’t been able to find a QB no way.
It’s amazing to me that you compare CP to those guys. Every QB you listed was a complete failure. CP came in and had a huge part in turning this team around. Really tired of you acting like he’s the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise. It’s getting old bro. I wish you’d go back to talking about Beck or Kenny Britt.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
i dont start these debates..
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
never said you did
just gets old hearing about how terrible Pennington is supposed to be.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 24, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
sweet points, & recognition, of whats taken years to achive!
as much as i like the idea of putting Henne, in & giving him his lumps. its only cuz this year we r gonna see the very best defences, & thats valueable learning. that only one qb. can get & that my friend’s will be the winner of the supperbowl down in miami!
u can’t suprize someone, that’s seen the best throughtout the year!
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rec'd
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 24, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 24, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The real problem was we had coaches who wanted to win, and win now.
That’s why you wind up with guys like Feeley, Lemon, Griese, Fiedler, Culpepper, and Green. The coaches didn’t want to spend a draft pick on a QB and let him develop for 2 years. We had a team that was always just on the cusp of breaking through. Problem was the missing piece was QB, and Wannstedt, Saban, and Cam did nothing to fix that. Cam at least tried, although Beck turned out to be a complete failure. None of those coaches were willing to go into re-building mode. It took a 1-15 season and a complete managment makeover to finally set things straight.
well the reason
the line had so much issues … is bmore gave up on the long ball – stuff everyone in the box and came after pennington….
and he didn’t have the arm strenght to fire off his back foot into tight coverage and when he went deep to the WIDE OPEN T GINN his ball floated long enough that ed reed was able to cross the entire field to pick it off….
There is a well established history of failure vs good defenses with pennington and to go one further below average arm strenght QB’s…. they will only get you so far… yes you might want the nooodle arm to marry your daughter you just don’t want him as the starting QB for your playoff team.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 24, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll agree with ya' about getting beat at the line of scrimmage.
But I think it was more crucial with the running game than the passing game. Once they took away our ground game, it forced Pennington to have to throw the ball, and that’s right where Baltimore wanted us.
its exazacly what they did to teams the year they won the SB.
by wild zion beaver on Aug 27, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, except the Titans.
The Titans ran the ball very well against Baltimore with Eddie George (126 yds). Unfortunately, one 90 yd punt return, and 50 yd INT return later, they lose 24-10.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 23, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
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yes!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't used it much lately....
You got goo up above too…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Aug 23, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it doesn’t wash off…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 23, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone is knocking Pennington
when they say Henne is the future. It’s a fact that Pennington is over the hill as far as production in the NFL. He is good and will be for a couple of years, but the end will come in the next couple of years for Penni and Henne will step in hopefully for a long time. Therefore Penni is now and Henne is the future
12-4 in 2009.
49's wan SB when Montana was 32. I'll take "over the hill" any day!
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Over the hill?
Didnt he complete one of the best QB seasons on record last year? 17 td 9 int something like a 69% completion rate? Id say he is not “over the hill” as of yet. He is a really good QB and should be for a few more years to come. Im sorry to all the haters, but I would rather have Penne as our starting QB then 1/2 the other starters in the league. I personally believe he is a top 12 QB. Maybe even in the 10th spot.
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by MainePhinFan on Aug 24, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see White as the future.
I want White to go on and be a great starter so that Kiper will look even more stupid than he usually does.
12-4 in 2009.
Good post......6th rec GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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CLICK CLICK BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
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by wild zion beaver on Aug 23, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
PhinsTifosi said it
I meekly deny it, adds quickly Go jags!
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i say go team go
with henne or CP. buty we know its CP. end of story
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Do CKC even exist anymore?
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No chat invasions?
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by finsxfactor on Aug 24, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
that was good
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CP Extention
What’s the flaw in extending CP and allowing a legitimate competition for QB for Henne? If Henne can match or outplay CP we can try to convince him to support us as a backup or find a suitable trade to a most likely desperate Denver team?
CP10 has shown that he is a quality QB
We woulda been clost to .500 last year without him I believe.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect the man
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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typical matthew
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I know.. if the FO thought that Henne was ready they would start him.
Just like my sig says..
CP10 is the current leader
Henne is the future leader
People should stop trying to rush the kid into something he is not ready for. I think the ones who want him in now should look back at a past QB with all the tallent and skills that should have been the future of the QB position in Miami who was thrown into the wild armed only with a pocket knife.. the wolves made a quick meal of him… John Beck.
CP10 is the current leader of this team... respect the man
Henne is the future leader of this team...
Beck could have been.. its a shame he was thrown to the wolves unpreped
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by MainePhinFan on Aug 24, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
No Never
cause WHEN Henne starts and have a bad game, the haters will come out and we’ll go another few rounds. Its so great.
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i wish we had mark snatchez
he’s so dreamy
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
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"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
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if he starts rapidly gaining weight, we'll know rex is fattening him up for consumption
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 28, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i wish we have matt ryan...or jay cutler...or....JOHN BECK!!! WOOOHOOO
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r u jon beck?
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
who's "jon beck"
I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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Chad is our QB
and he’s a damn good QB, he led us to the playoffs, he had the second highest passer rating in the NFL, he is the most accurate QB ever, EVER. He is a great leader and mentor for Henne and White.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 24, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously Chad (Henne)
can’t be a mentor for himself lol
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by TheTealDeal on Aug 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Definition Of Franchise Quarterback
A QB who is signed to a 6 year or longer contract and expected to start for 6 years or longer as the QB.
So as of now the Dolphins do not have a franchise quarterback.
Henne shows a lot of promise and maturity. He has a strong arm, throws accurately and has a brand of mental toughness that is rarely seen in players his age.
Chad Pennington is a elite quarterback who makes up for his poor arm strength with savvy decision making and precise use of the chalk board.
Who knows what we have in Pat White. So far he has shown us that he has mental toughness and can make good decisions with the ball.
So in summation: Chad Henne is an exciting potentiality for the Phins but as of right now Pennington is the better QB. So Pennington will play until Henne can surpass him, which in my opinion (please note the opinion aspect peoples) will be sooner than later.
Pat White is too much of an enigma/unpolished to even be in the consideration.
End of story.
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I can not argue with what you said about franchise QB Phinisher.
I wonder about the 6 year specificity though. Didn’t Snachez and Stafford only get 5 yr deals?
My comment about the def is because there have been about QB’s that can throw the “deep” ball being the seemingly only requirement to be a franchise QB
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Philip Rivers signed a 6-year contract...
Worth a boat load of cash. Francise QB. Eli Manning. Franchise QB.
This is pretty easy stuff people.
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definition of a franchise QB
Well there isn’t one… the reality is you know when you have one and you know when you don’t….
but a franchise QB is a QB who you build or have built a team around, one with unique physical abilities (ie above average if not great physical attributes) who becomes the unquestioned leader of the team…
now as to your ignorance about griese vs. marino – while i do agree that griese was a “smarter” player than marino who made a lot of stupid decisions that cost the teams some games… griese was an above average QB on teams with great defenses and powerful running attacks…. neither of which marino had…
and one of the other attributes of franchise QB’s is their franchises tend to win multiple superbowls or at least will contend for them on a reqular basis… where as caretakers might have the starts align one year but then they drop off the face of the earth.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
I have no ignorance abiut Griese vs Marino. I watched em both play.
The only vs in my book is that Griese has rings, Marino doesn’t.
I say CP is more like Griese and Henne is more like Marino. IMHO
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 24, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he isn't even worth arguing with.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 25, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
West NorthYeast Fins Fan
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
lol exactly.
he shouldn’t even care to begin with but who knows
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 26, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Health has to figure in on the Definition of a Franchise QB
Franchise QB’s play every game, year in and year out. Pennington has only played 16 games twice in 9 seasons. If leadership is a requirement for a franchise QB, you can’t lead when not playing.
very true! So we see how this year plays out.
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
wait... so you are saying that you DO or you Do NOT think Henne is the messiah?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions
Wasn't that a yes or no question?
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Lefty, If you believe the media, the messiah is in the White House. What I was saying is
that at this point I have no idea how good or bad Henne will be. I have yet to see him play against a 1st string D.
And that I am sick and tired of all the hate and lack of respect thrown at CP10. Very much of a “what have you done for me tomorrow” mentality. It also is hate and lack of respect for the trifecta (even if they do not believe that) ’cause they appear to think they know more and better than the guys paid huge amounts for their NFL football knowledge and acumen.
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so you are saying that you want to see Henne start so he can play against 1st string Ds?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
2 PS not PS 2
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously Dude
There is a couple people here that have shown “hate & disrespect” for CP. There are even fewer that “hate” the new regime. If any at all.
And I love my new Ford. Ford loves that I love it too. Get a grip. Reality needs no messiahs. It needs good Presidents and winning quarterbacks. Oh, and a Joey Porter quote or two.
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by The Phinisher on Aug 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Its the attitude that they know better than the trifecta - "play Henne now & trade CP10" statements
that is showing huge lack of respect for the trifecta. Sparano/Ireland/Parcells obviously do not think Henne is ready for prime-time.
Hell, look at the Snachez situation! If the JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets had kept CP, you think Snachez would be the starter this season?
Generally IMO it is the media that annoints messiahs. (In some cases it is that person themself). I have a grip, and its a bloody good one. Its that I am so tired and pissed about the CP haters. I think I did say that in the post.
And don’t leave out some Channing quotes!
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by PhinsTifosi on Aug 25, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions