The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
We were definitely more prepared and disciplined then Jax, that is nice to see in the first preseason game, which is notoriously sloppy, lets just hope we keep that up, in truth that was our defining characteristic last year.
The Good
Sean Smith was very good in coverage and looked like he had done this before, very nice INT, one of the biggest plays of the game.
He is a smooth fluid athlete, of course we have to see him against better WRs, but he looked very good in this game.
Cam Wake applied consistent pressure all night, he put the QB on the ground at least twice, put his hands on him a couple more times, and had a few hurries besides those, also generated at least 2 false starts.
It was clear that he was quite a handful for anyone who was trying to block him.
Wake was in on two of the biggest defensive plays of the game, at the end of the first half he ended Jax's drive with a false start on 3rd down, and after they walk the penalty yds off he runs right past that same guy and gets what should have been a sack or an intentional grounding, and the end of the game, on that last play where JAllen of all people, knocked down that pass, CWake was lying on top of the QB.
He made several tackles including a couple of ST tackles, actually he made the first tackle of the game on the opening kickoff, of course we need to see him do this consistently, but he might be the goods.
Chris Williams and the WRs in general had a good day, I put CWilliams on top because he was very explosive on returns and quite possibly did more for the offense than anyone.
Obviously those two punt returns early were not good, but he responded in a big way with several very good returns including one that was called back.
So now this guy that no one had considered a candidate to make the team has become a serious threat to some WR on our roster, I'm thinking this cements that 6th WR spot if he continues to make returns like the good ones and eliminates the bad ones.
Ginn, Bess, Turner, Wilford(WR/TE), London and Hartline all had decent games, Ginn and Bess are clearly the two best WR right now, IMO Turner and Camarillo are locks, if CWilliams is that good a returner he is gonna make himself a lock, thats 5, one spot left.
In this corner, BLondon, and in this corner BHartline, AArmstrong is out IMO, with Ginn and again IF CWiliams, they would have 2 small fast guys, and he certainly didn't help his case by dropping the only pass that came his way which just happened to be Pat White's best pass of the night.
BLondon and BHartline both made a couple of ST plays, and both made one catch, draw.
The Bad
The run blocking was not great, the Jags have some good people up front so I'm not going to kill them over it, but it is worth mentioning, the line didn't play poorly, but they did not play good either, so all in all thats bad.
Vontae Davis wasn't good, i'd like to see him settle down in these next couple of games and start letting the game come to him instead of trying to do too much.
Pat White did not look good, I've heard more than a few people say that 3 of his incompletion's should have been caught, i've watched them a few times and I disagree, AArmstrong flat out dropped White's best pass of the night, but the other two are a different story.
The pass to Turner was just as much White's fault, that ball was way too hot for such a short pass, you would like to see Turner make the catch but at the same time White has to put more touch on that ball before he breaks some ones finger.
The other pass to Kimble I think it was, was again too hot, not only that but the ball was just a few inches over his helmet, it was all he could do to stick his arm up and try to get a hand on it, it hit his arm and flew up into the air and was picked, I would like to see the bruise on that guys arm.
White has got to get that ball in front of that receiver, Turner made a great diving catch on another poorly thrown short pass by white, or he might have only completed one pass.
On his rollouts he was being tracked down by DLs and LBs, and he managed to eek out a few yards against the bottom of Jax's roster on the ground, and he was gang tackled twice, he just simply doesn't have the speed or power to be an effective runner against NFL defenses, he was also arm tackled once, I think we can forget the wildcat for now, he is going to have to become a much more polished QB before he is going to be of much use, IMO.
The Ugly
VDavis's fair catch interference call will most likely end up being the bonehead play of the preseason for the Fins, I doubt it had any impact on the game, i'm just talking the sheer stupidity of the play, I've watched the game a couple times now and I watched that play a few times to try and find an excuse for Davis, there was none, he clearly saw the fair catch signal, he wasn't trying to tackle the guy, he was trying to strip the ball, WOWZAROONY, haha what?
Yea it was that stupid, trying to strip the ball after a fair catch, it's certainly not the end of the world but he had better get his head wired to his ass because he makes a lot of mental mistakes, he bites on too much, and he gave up on that one tipped pass, I'll give him a pass on the pass interference call because he clearly slipped, but he needs to start making smarter plays or should I say fewer dumb plays.
And that whiff of a block by Frye, he may have created a nice breeze for the fans but that was one ugly block, or should I say attempted block.
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I'll give Vontae "first pro game butterflies." It happens.
It’s the O-line that MUST get it together.
The world will stop revolving, tides will fail, and we’ll be hit by cyclones form the Pacific if they don’t.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
True dat.
I'm the proud maker of the nickname, Most Royal Conquistador.
Also proud owner of the weirdest comment.
The 2nd and 3rd games are most important in Preseason
It will be interesting to see how the team does. IMO the 2nd and 3rd will really show more of what the team has due to starters playing a touch bit longer and the roster coming along i.e. Green getting cut. This game won’t be Vontaes first rodeo so I expect him to be much better … lets also hope the weather is better so we can also get a better gauge on the team.
Also 4th game means nothing as starters don’t play much as they don’t wanna them to get hurt
Absolutely,
you take the first preseason game with a grain of salt, Smith may give Smith trouble, Davis may get a pick six next week who knows, these are just observations from one game, everything could change next game.
by uncle finster on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God, JT, Will Be At The Game Tomorrow.
Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen! -Sean Connery
nice job bud!
rec’d!
now 4 my 2 cents =)
I agree with your good, and ugly, but disagree about the line play being “bad”.
While i agree that the run blocking wasn’t great, it was conditionally good. Based upon the facts that this was the first game, and against a VERY good defensive front, they actually played better than I had hoped. There were no sacks, no significant TFL, there were a few missed assignments, but nobody really got owned by the Jags D-line.
AND the overall performance of the whole line seemed better with Thomas in there, but even so Murphy was okay.
Flip it around and look at how the Jags O-line did against the Fins D-line. Now THAT was BAD. =)
I expect Thomas being the starter, and a week of practicing without swapping guys in and out, will help the line’s overall cohesiveness. All in all, I was pretty pleased with their performance for the first game, and with an unsettled spot.
The only other nit to pick is with your viewpoint on White. I agree that he will not be running the WC anytime soon, but i’ll betcha that they will put him in some spread packages. He seems to do pretty well out of the shotgun, and after all the training camp reports about how dismal his performances were, I was pleasantly surprised by how comfortable he seemed, and how accurate he generally was with how throws. Again… just a different viewpoint, but I actually expected worse from him, and was pleased with how well he did. I mean, seriously… with a rookie, who has never played in a Pro set, and who is learning a new system, I would have just been happy with no negative plays. But he actually moved the ball a little bit. IMO, White gets a thumbs up for his first NFL game.
Now, as for Williams, I am kinda thinking the same thing. I think the kid has a shot, and I am starting to think that London may be the odd man out. I know this is not going to be a popular view, but I like your assessment of the WRs, and I think Hartline has the edge over London in that he has had a great camp already, and he is solid on STs as well. So I am thinking that they may keep 6, but if they do, it will be for a unique skill set on STs, and London just doesn’t have a STs edge anymore with all the solid LBs they have on the roster. Unless London steps up his game, I think he might find himself on the outside looking in.
Thanks for the post man!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 21, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
Excellent counter points,
Flip it around and look at how the Jags O-line did against the Fins D-line. Now THAT was BAD. =)
and this is a very good point, lol
I agree that we may see White in a “West Virginia WildPat” package, where he can be more in his comfort zone.
Thanx Lefty, again, well done.
by uncle finster on Aug 22, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Grove Was Bad!
He failed his first test. He is suppose to be strong and the point of attack and he consistently was not getting any movement. In his combination blocks with the guard he was turning the lineman over too soon to the guard and effectively closing the hole to the running back.
Jacksonville has a good DL, but so what. Even against good DL’s this team needs to run the ball effectively. And the phins will be playing a lot better defenses this year than Jax.
In man on man battles, Grove consistently loss. That’s not good.
eh, i don't agree with you.
he needed help with henderson a bit, but he also held his own with him for the most part. granted, he didn’t MOVE him much… =)
but neither did he give up ground. It was hard to see very consistently from the regular TV angles, but Sparano seemed to say as much after reviewing the films. Also, Grove seemed to play much better beside Thomas, when Thomas was in.
I give him a “C+” for his first game time outing, but I expect to see him improve quite a bit over the next few preseason games, or he will not be much of an upgrade over Satele.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The whole point of getting Grove was to get movement on the NT
He didn’t do that against Henderson. If the problem with the Phins running game in ’08 was Satele and his inability to push the center of the line, then the same problem existed with Grove in the JAX game.
I watched and re-watched every run play several times. While the TV angle wasn’t great the majority of the time, Grove was consistently getting either stood up or beat. He was losing the majority of his battles and that is very disconcerting.
As I have stated in the past, the phins had a very good run game last year. And that was with Satele and back-up guards (for the most part). As a team the phins averaged 4.0 ypc and were successful in 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1 all but one time. So I will ask again because no one has come up with a way to evaluate whether Grove is an upgrade over Satele: What will the phins have to do to statistically to make the definitive statement that Grove was the reason for the improvement? And if they don’t meet the ‘08 stats, will it be Grove reason they didn’t? Just Curious.
and all i am saying is that in his first game at center, he did as well as Satele did after playing on the line the entire season last year.
so to me, that is already improvement. You see, I believe that the run blocking can only get better as they develop cohesion along the line through time and playing together. The line should always improve as the season goes on, barring injuries.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Aug 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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