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Dolphins Training Camp: Henne's struggles top story of Monday

Week two of Miami Dolphins training camp began with two practices on Monday and the release of the first "team-released" depth chart.  But it was quarterback play that highlighted Monday's action.

CHAD HENNE STRUGGLES
Following a solid, if unspectacular, performance in Saturday's team scrimmage, Chad Henne began week two of training camp with a disappointing day - particularly in the afternoon session on Monday.  Henne, who has struggled all camp during one of Tony Sparano's favorite drills - the two-minute offense - had some ugly moments on Monday.  Chris Clemons, the rookie safety out of Clemson, picked off Henne twice during Monday afternoon's practice - and nearly intercepted Henne a third time on a pass intended for Ricky Williams in the flat that would have resulted in a pick six for Clemons.

But it was Henne's inability to lead the two-minute offense - a theme of training camp thus far - that the Palm Beach Post provides play-by-play of.  Play one, screen pass that is tipped away.  Play two, pass broken up by two defenders.  Play three, too far outside of intended receiver.  Play four, the previously mentioned near pick by Clemons.  Henne connects on the next four, though.  And the following pass was also reportedly a great throw that Brian Hartline just couldn't come up with as he had Vontae Davis defending him well.  And it wrapped up with Vontae Davis breaking up a pass intended for Brandon London.

As the Post points out, too, Henne's performance in the two-minute offense all camp has been unimpressive - with Henne "rarely driving the team into reasonable scoring position."  And just for good measure, Henne ended the practice by "missing a wide open Anthony Fasano by a mile in the endzone during goal-line offense."  Yikes!

Of course, it's far too early to panic.  It's really too early to even think about panicking.  But why then did I bring this up?  Simple.  It's too illustrate the fact that we still don't know what we have in Chad Henne.  However, you have to love how Tony Sparano plans to handle this situation.  It's tricky.  You want to get Henne experience and see what you have in him.  At the same time, you can't risk losing the locker room by benching Chad Pennington - a leader on that team and a player coming off of his best career season.

That's why the Dolphins are handling this situation so well.  I love the idea of Henne getting most of the playing time in the preseason.  It'll give us all a chance to see Henne perform with "semi-live bullets" flying.

With that said, Henne's struggles in the two-minute offense illustrates why Pennington is the starting quarterback of this football team in 2009.  CP is efficient.  He doesn't have the big arm Henne has.  But it's clear that Henne's arm isn't helping him move the ball in simulated two-minute drills during practice.  And right now, it's Pennington - not Henne - that gives the 2009 Miami Dolphins the best chance to win.  While some of you want to just throw Henne into the starting role without him earning the job just to see him play and possibly prepare him for the future, I'm not ready to give up on the present.  CP is the present.

If Henne outplays Pennington at any point during training camp or the preseason, then I'm on board with making a switch ASAP.  But that's not going to happen.

Star-divide

RISERS AND FALLERS
We talked yesterday about how week two of training camp is the time Tony Sparano likes to promote and demote players.  And as expected, changes were made - headed by the promotion of rookie corner Sean Smith to the starting role opposite Eric Green.  Green was sent to the second team to play opposite rookie Vontae Davis.  While this is far from a permanent change, it does reward Smith for his solid play through one week of camp and it provides the coaches with a chance to see how Sean performs against better competition.  I'd suspect Davis will get a shot at some point during camp as well - even if he has progressed slower than some anticipated.

Randy Starks also saw a promotion, getting his chance to work with the starters on the opposite side of Kendall LangfordPhillip Merling remained with the second unit after getting moved there last week despite beginning camp with the starters.  Tony McDaniel dropped back to the second unit after replacing Merling on the first team last week.  Look for those three to continue rotating until the coaching staff gets a better feel for those guys.

The other big riser on was Donald Thomas.  While Shawn Murphy remained the starter at right guard, Thomas - despite missing most of the OTAs and the early part of camp - was promoted to the second unit as he inches his way back into the starter's role he won as a rookie out of camp last year.  Ike Ndukwe was the loser here - and it's starting to look like his days could be numbered if Thomas remains healthy and progresses as we all think he will.

DEPTH CHART RELEASED
Yes, the Dolphins released their first depth chart on Monday.  No, it doesn't mean very much.  This depth chart is completely irrelevant because the depth chart basically changes day to day.  For example, Donald Thomas is listed as the 3rd string RG right now.  But he practiced with the second unit on Monday.  Cameron Wake is listed as the fourth string weakside linebacker, but has spent most of his time on the second unit in camp.

The release of this depth chart is a reason why I do my weekly "depth chart bubble watch."  At this point, it's probably more accurate as to how the coaches see the 53-man roster looking than this team-released chart is.

QUICK HITS
Some quick thoughts on Monday's action:

  • Chris Clemons has been around the ball a lot recently, according to various reports.  Could he cut into Tyrone Culver's role as the team's top reserve safety and find his way onto the field in the team's dime package?
  • Channing Crowder picked up two sacks in the afternoon session.  What's gotten into him?  Whatever it is, I hope it says with him.  He needs to be a play-maker this year.
  • Cameron Wake got to work with the first-team defense in the morning replacing Joey Porter (sitting out just for rest) on the weakside.  Not surprisingly, Jake Long handled him.  But it's good to see the coaches challenging Wake - who has surprised me so far.
  • Speaking of surprises, Quentin Moses has quietly been putting together a solidd camp.  Moses had two sacks and a tipped pass in the afternoon session.
  • Interesting battle brewing between Davone Bess and Greg Camarillo for the starting job opposite Ted Ginn.
  • Yeremiah Bell has been reportedly looking much improved in coverage during camp.

UP NEXT
The Dolphins practice only once on Tuesday - beginning at 2 pm.  Wednesday will feature two practices, though.  And the late session has been moved outside and will begin at 8 pm.

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good write up

it is good to see that Jake Long is handling the guys on the defense because it will only prepare them and make them stronger once the season comes. I’ll be looking forward to the pre-season game and to see how our players play against another team, not their own guys.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 11, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions  

A win win preseason?

JT against Long.

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by Tunaflipper on Aug 11, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

not good to hear of hennes struggles

but you gotta get knocked down a few times before you can get back up and rise to the top. also, even tho its never good to hear of henne or our offense struggling, it does reflect our D

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by el presidente 00 on Aug 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

which would show they are doing great

which is fine by me.

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 11, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let him struggle now, it's his time.

It’s early. He needs to be whacked a time or two by JT, Joey, Wake, & co.

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by Tunaflipper on Aug 11, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't been reading that Pennington has been spectacular either..

But it doesn’t matter because we all know that Pennington will start. I thought the whole point was for Henne to be evaluated this entire training camp and preseason because no one really knew what he was yet.

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by AussieKen on Aug 11, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

of course

but that doesn’t mean we can’t evaluate him after roughly 10 practices. In school, you aren’t just graded on your final – you get graded on all of your assignments.

by Matty I on Aug 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly,

So honestly why not wait a few games into the preseason then we’ll know so much more about all of our QB’s. Because its only been 1 week of “assignments.” I think that the preseason is Henne’s “assignment” and that the first 8 games or so is Pennington’s. Pennington will start the season no matter what but if he doesn’t win at least 4 of the first 8, he’s probably gone for good if Henne does relatively well in the preseason. Its all up in the air right now.

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by AussieKen on Aug 11, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why do u think we r not gona win 4 out of 8?

I was expenting 6 out of 8 atleast ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

Depends where you go to school I guess… I didn’t do crap all semester and ace my final and pass with an A =)

by PhinsFan69 on Aug 11, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe our 2nd team corners are juz amazing!!!

lol i know thats wishful thinking but hopefully henne does better. agree that sporano made the rite choice by guaranteeing penny the starting job

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 11, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

actually it's

the 2nd team line that sucks or at least isn’t up to snuff…. while things have gotten better there isn’t any depth at line right now, and you’ll notice that henne is always running for his life…. cause the lame ducker has JLo and Vc on his ends and henne has a couple of gardners…
while the predators between 1st and 2nds are pretty good.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know i'm not going ot let this one sneak by....

but the phins were one of the worst teams in the league last year in the red zone… and when you take the wild cat numbers out … well they were worse still…

so the red zone drill isn’t exactly the strengh of the team…. before you handicapt henne with the 2nd line. i’d be fine with saying the lame ducker gives them the best chance to win if henne was getting and equal chance but with only 5% of the first team snaps it’s hard to say that the coaching staff is giving him an opportunity to win the job or get valuable experince….

now that may all change once the actually games start getting played, but i suspect that “getting Henne ready” crap is mostly PR and the reality is the team, just like in dallas will stick with the safe veteran QB who ensures an 8-8 team until either an injury or owner intervention (highly unlikely here).

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions  

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by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ginn better watch out.Jr (JAMES ROBINSON)a beast. i met him in butler college. dude can flat out play for real
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by HeatNspurs on Aug 11, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions  

that was a nice one-handed catch....

I still think though, he has to be one hell of a special teamer to make the team

by scbrandon on Aug 11, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glad Henne is struggling...

One less problem for our team… to handle a QB discussion…

And, I can take the added phase off my SIG…

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Henne not struggling, big arm got bigger, handling 80% of pre-season snaps? Ginn open deep consistently? I see dark clouds approaching...

by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 11, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions  

You have to fall down before you get back up

CP10 will hopefully be solid for one more season.
We can throw Henne into the mix soon

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by rangerjae on Aug 11, 2009 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

So Matty

Who is our backup center?… With Grove’s past of injuries, where doe we sit with that “IF” he got injured or winded lol

by PhinsFan69 on Aug 11, 2009 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Looks like Joe Berger

a guy this coaching staff likes and brought over from Dallas.

by Matty I on Aug 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

fall down first?

That sounds like Cam Cameron. Fail Forward…..
The Henne situation reminds me totally of what happened to Rivers in SD. He was drafted and then Brees played lights out for 2 years. Eli and Big Ben have the Super Bowls, but Rivers, IMO, is clearly the best QB of that class. Not saying Henne will be better than Matt Ryan, but 2 or 3 yrs down the road, we’ll all be thankful he served this apprenticeship with one of the smartest QB’s of his generation.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 11, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't be worried.

All the QB’s seem to be struggling. I blame the defense. Our secondary seems to be better, our LB’s are making plays, but I don’t know about the D-Line, we’re still mixing it up a little.

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by Kdog92 on Aug 11, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s the best Sean Connery line ever……

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 11, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I know! I love that movie.

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by Kdog92 on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh Come on Matty

Are ya kiddin me?

Henne struggles and its in BIG BOLD PRINT with a picture of him. You come out saying

“It’s too illustrate the fact that we still don’t know what we have in Chad Henne”

Its a entire article.

Your state:

With that said, Henne’s struggles in the two-minute offense illustrates why Pennington is the starting quarterback of this football team in 2009. CP is efficient.

Scroll down to Week One Evaluation and you state:

You start out saying:

So Chad Pennington wasn’t exactly efficient.
Hardly a story a at all.

Pennington gets a pass for sucking it up an entire week, but Henne has a bad day and now we “know why Pennington is the starting qb in 09?”

Pennington is the starting qb in 09 because he had ANOTHER comeback season. If he would put up back to back good seasons (which he has NEVER done). He wouldn’t had to come back from anything and battle for his job every in year in NY (yes I know about his injuries). Simply put, its too early in camp to demonstrate why any player is starting over any other player except for last year’s play and of course experience.

Everyone knows I’m all about the youth movement. And was actually one of the few that said “Draft Matt Ryan” to which I got grilled. And I’m coming out and saying if we are under .500 at the bye (week 6), put Henne in at home against NO and lets get this ball rolling.

Moving on>

I agree, Crowder needs to be a play-maker this year.

I’m really pulling for Bess to beat out Camarillo. I just think he is a more exciting player if you can give him just a little bit of room.

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Damn Neo, its a blog about opinions that actual sports writers write, don’t like it dont read it?… Bess and Cam need to be both inside widereceivers especially on a 4 wideout spread.

by PhinsFan69 on Aug 11, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another reason Penny probably hasn’t had the best years of his career was because he was with the Jets… His line failed when it was cold, and when players usually hit the field when its cold you get hurt, he’s in Miami, where its nice and hot, and has limited games in the cold. Therefore you should have a healthy Penny all year this year and a repeat of performance, just maybe not as many wins because of the schedule but I dont want to believe the schedule will change our win percentage. Anything can happen.

by PhinsFan69 on Aug 11, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude I know what this is

I was here before Cam Cam (Matty’s man) was a Dolphin. How will I know if I like it or not if I don’t read it?

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hate to say it

but he was my “choice” at the time of the hiring. Took you a hell of a long to come around though.-)

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was there too and ..

i tho he was a good choice 4 the job, so bite me lol

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Aug 11, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly...

I didn’t really like the idea of hiring him when we did. Not for the same reasons he got fired though… everyone was making a big deal on how we would go for some offensive genius to copy the jets or something. Sounded bad.

I do admit the offense looked pretty good to start, had some tough breaks… but jeeze our dominant defense was just murdered =(

…Way to lose the locker room being soft

by metalhead86 on Aug 11, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

…Way to lose the locker room being soft

Watch it, Rumor has it that he still reads Dolphin websites along with the Ravens now.

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody is on his time of the month

Chill homie it’s an article…And it’s no brainer CP10 will start this year, it’s been stated my the coaches numerous times already

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Aug 11, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

/sigh

Why do peeps always assume that I’m pounding desks, yelling when I debate with someone? If I have a different opinion or if I see contrast I “blog” about it. Its what makes this place interesting.

Where are my peeps? Left? Nat? Sometimes Pats?

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed... and you aren't dissing anyone while stating your view... thanks!

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by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

When i read it, it seemed to me like you were snaping at Matty

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Aug 11, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

nah….Neo is a long-time regular here and i know he never means anything personally

but appreciate u having my back lol

by Matty I on Aug 11, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

May not be a "peep"

but I do remember you from long long ago when I was just a little bitty newbie bloggie LOL shit neo thats the whole point of this blog thingy I thought….differences of opinion tempered by common love for the phins…hell even if your pounding on desks and yelling..well thats fun…hell we all love Ohiofan and that guy is LOUD! LOL

by unklphinnie on Aug 11, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

can we have an amen from the chorus

neo – all i can say is the matty myopians have grown in numbers and in their devotion to everything matty says…

so you can NOT disagree with him and still post on this blog and be a dolphins fan…

i can send you my hate mail if you need proof…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Geez

Didn’t think it could get any worse. No need for the hate mail, I know how they can be.

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

really?

did you really just say that? Cus I can pull up all the e-mails you sent me begging me and pleading about how you’ll be on your best behavior….only to fuck it up time and time again.

by Matty I on Aug 12, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

water under the bridge

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by finsxfactor on Aug 12, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

i thought it was

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by finsxfactor on Aug 12, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

am I speaking a different language here?

YOU brought it up:


i dont get hate mail. I just get condescending “you’re getting banned soon mail” which I dont think is the same thing…

so i guess it isn’t water under the bridge.

by Matty I on Aug 12, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

well it's sort of like last year

matty was all hung up on the beckeroo and everytime he completed a pass it made front page news… which since it’s his freaking blog i have only a mild issue with, but where i take exception is that every time henne the heir to the marino thrown has a bad moment it becomes headlines to him… and it creates nothing but bad will towards the possible future of the franchise.

we all should be hoping heck jumping up and down and praying that henne beats out the lame ducker, because if he isn’t good enough to beat out a guy who can only make 75% of the throws that an average NFL QB can make and who has a terrible record against quality teams/defenses it makes you wonder for the future of the franchise…

and to top that off – as i wrote earlier… wow henne wasn’t good in the red zone drill one day in practice… well heck the lame ducker was so bad in the red zone last year (and 3rd and long for that matter) that they had to use the wild cat inside the 10 to get TD’s… so what is worse
a bad day of practice or actual game history.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as Henne goes...

…too many Dolphin fans are just assuming he’s going to be great – which is why I make sure to point out his faults.

I don’t know if he will be a good QB. I hope he is…but he was far from spectacular in college. So we’ll see. But if Henne has a great day of practice, it’ll be front page news. It just hasn’t happened yet.

by Matty I on Aug 12, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent points!

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by Alpha6 on Aug 12, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

as everyone knows... i'm the guy calling the loudest for him

and the reason is we have to learn if he is or isn’t the guy… because the talent is being assembled for a super bowl run and the key missing ingredient is QB… the lame ducker isn’t it, never has been… and if we wait to find out that henne is aaron rodgers and not big ben… well the franchise is going to take a lot of steps backwards….

we need a franchise QB …. like 10 years ago. and i don’t want to relive the wanny years of super bowl ready team… NCAA title game QB.

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 12, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brady

was from the same college, and didn’t play great either. I trust Parcells and Ireland when they put a 2nd rd pick into him.

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by Neo on Aug 12, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

WELL SAID!!!

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by finsxfactor on Aug 12, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's everyone calm down about how good the DB's are playing in camp.

Everyone seems to be over the top in their praise of Smith, Davis, and Clemons. Let’s remember that the phins have serious issues at WR. As a group the phins WR’s should be ranked in the bottom 1/3 of the league, maybe worse than that. And there is not one phins receiver that would start (maybe not even make it on the roster) of Buffalo or NE.

You have a bunch of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year guys who have not distinguished themselves at all in the NFL. Route running is suspect. QB’s arm strength and accuracy have been questioned.

We will see how good these guys are in the 1st 3 weeks of the season against great QB’s and WR’s from Atlanta, Indy, and SD. Let’s reserve judgement until then.

by ct1361 on Aug 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah - i'm with you there

i think the lame duckers time will likely come down to the buffalo game…
i think they can beat atlanta, but indy and SD look like losses to me… just way too many changes in the back end
to go against 2 of the best passers in the league… they’ll need a few more games to gel…

and if the offense struggles against the IOU’s, i don’t see a better chance in the season to give Henne a fair chance to
take over the team and it’ll be hard to justify playing the lame ducker when the challenging part of the schedule is upcomming…

Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.

So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.

by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Henne also threw 2 TDs in the morning practice

so I guess it all evens out

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by Patssuck456 on Aug 11, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Penny > Henne

Neo – Penny is the starter because he gives us the best chance to win right now. How is our situation any different than that in Arizona? This season is really a transitional season for us to be legitimate contenders in 2010/2011…..assuming we get our QB situation settled.

ct – If you’re assuming 2 starting WR’s on NE and Buffalo, then maybe Ted Ginn doesn’t start. But he’s easily the 5th best receiver in the division (and he’s way better than Welker if you ask me). But keep in mind that the Bills only got T.O this year and NE acquired Moss and Welker because they had a contending team. Our team is rebuilding – it makes no sense to go out and get star veteran in FA or a high draft choice when we were moving in a different direction. Besides, our team is built on a run-first philosophy – NE and Buffalo clearly aren’t. Compare apples to apples….

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 11, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

My man, you are 0 for 2 this morning

Rivers is better than Eli and Big Ben? Ginn is better than Welker? You might want to re-think those statements.

by stonecoldcory on Aug 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think i'd agree with 1 of the 2

i think Rivers is better than both Eli and Big Ben, maybe just on pure talent and numbers. Pitt and NYG are teams built much more in the trenches, that is the philosophy of those two franchises, but Eli and Big Ben can put up some stinkers from time to time. Rivers is pretty consistent. you know you’re gonna get a few TD’s from him each game. he runs a much more explosive offense. what Big Ben has going for him is he is a tough SoB to bring down, and so he pulls off big plays.

i like Ginn, but Welker is a better receiver. quicker (not to be confused with faster), smarter, shiftier, tougher, better technique. i feel Ginn is a little soft at times. a bit apprehensive. i’ve seen him short arm some possible catches a few times. and the numbers say it all. Welker was even more consistent than Moss last year. Ginn can’t touch either of those two guys.

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by BULLieving in Miami on Aug 11, 2009 11:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ha-Ha....love the banter

Yes – I’ll defend those statements. I’d take Rivers over Ben and Eli any day. But it is kind of like chosing a Mercedes over a BMW. Since neither of those 3 players are Dolphins, I’ll stick to Ginn vs Welker.

Not taking anything away from Welker….he’s had an amazing 2 years in NE (and another one coming). But I just think he landed in the perfect spot for a guy with his skill set – a pass first system and an obviously better QB. How many receptions would he get if he didn’t have Moss on the other side of him? Ginn is a deep threat who’s played with noodle-armed QB’s both seasons and a run-first offense. He’s not in a system that maximizes his talents. Would the Trifecta trade Ginn for Welker staright up? Doubt it.

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

they wouldn't have to

thats what they have Bess for. i think Bess is “welkeresque”, moreso than camarillo. similar in size and playing style.

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by BULLieving in Miami on Aug 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Welker

Was better in Miami in a horrible situation than Ginn has been so far. I see your point, though.

by stonecoldcory on Aug 11, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK! I feel better now..!!!

WOW… who is she?

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by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why wasn't anyone answer your question yet?!?!?!?!?

LOL i wanna know too

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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Aug 11, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

how 'bout that chick pic...

… don’t leave us hangin’…..

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by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha.... U are persistent

She is hot and a dolphins fan…. nothing better..

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by miami25 on Aug 11, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's her name?

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by Alpha6 on Aug 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Dolphin cheerleader!

I found her on the Dolphins web site in the multimedia section.
I was trying to find video of the latest Sparano presser.
Couldn’t find that but I did see a link to pics of cheerleaders :D

by phranchise on Aug 11, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to find video of the latest Sparano presser.

Sure ya were.

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a gorgeous woman!! I keep coming back to take a peek... LOL!

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by Alpha6 on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

THANKS!!!!!

Now I’m excited about my gf coming over this afternoon…..

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Aug 11, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

....k

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by Neo on Aug 11, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Email me for my joke.

I don’t want Matty to ban me, lol!

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by AussieKen on Aug 12, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

does it go something along the lines of

“why did two kangaroo’s cross the road?”

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by finsxfactor on Aug 12, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

new song

Go to Finsnation.com, it has the new song. Have a bucket next to you before you click on it.

by Sparcells on Aug 11, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Patience

We expect too much, especially from rookies, at this point in the (pre) season. Sean Smith is doing great, but I have the feeling he would be picked on like zit if it was a real game.

by Sparcells on Aug 11, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Rookies and even 2nd year players aka Chap Henne need time to develop. As everyone knows the QB is the hardest position to play and takes the longest to learn, the best thing that happened to Henne was CP having a great year last season. It stabilized the QB position for this year and now Henne can have another season to learn from a great leader in CP.

The best thing that can happen to the dolphins in CP having another great year. (Finally back-to-back). Then Trifecta can have a QB debate on their hands. Its great for the dolphins that they do not have to spend time on this now. They can worry abot other more pressing issues.

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by miami25 on Aug 11, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is the depth chart you speak of Matty on miamidolphins.com

Because on that depth chart they have Roth behind not only Taylor but Moses and Tearrius George as well. Im assuming this is because of missed practices….Cam Wake was also last string on the toehr side. Im hoping to see Roth move up.

by Ham420 on Aug 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

And will Hartline be used as a slot type player?

I was reading about how he ran track and he didn’t have that bad a 40 time. Will he be on the edge or more of a slot type receiver? Im confused…Hes also right behind Ginn on the depth chart. Someone explain?

by Ham420 on Aug 11, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

camarillo played well for us but it seems to me that

Hartline is a bigger, faster and younger version of Camarillo. But he hasnt proven that on the field yet so we’ll see

by Ham420 on Aug 11, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW, I like your comparison!!

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by Alpha6 on Aug 11, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

well hopefully it becomes true…I love Camarillo but who wouldnt want someone..well, better

by Ham420 on Aug 12, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

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