Dolphins Training Camp: Week one evaluation
Well I'm back from my trip to Massachusetts. And after one day off, the Dolphins will begin their second week of training camp on Monday. But even though Sunday was an off day for the players, you better believe the coaching staff was hard at work reviewing the first week and making some decisions on how to possibly shuffle the depth chart for the second week of camp. Remember, it's not just about how the player moved up on the depth chart performs against better competition. It's just as important to see how the demoted player responds to being moved down.
So I wanted to take a look back at the first week of camp and play a game of "hot or not." But first, I did have some observations on Saturday's "stand-up scrimmage" in front of over 3,000 fans in Davie.
SCRIMMAGE NOTES
I'm sure you have all read the reports that the South Florida media has provided about the 90+ play scrimmage. IF you haven't, I'd suggest checking out this terrific article that features play-by-play of the event, this post featuring some observations on the scrimmage, and this summary of the estimated numbers in the passing game.
Quickly, here are some of my random thoughts on the scrimmage:
- I don't want to go overboard about Jason Taylor. But two sacks and a QB hurry is rather impressive. And one of those sacks was against Miami's starting line. Matt Roth better be worried about his job right now. I don't think JT has won the starting job yet, but after one week, Taylor is probably the favorite.
- So Chad Pennington wasn't exactly efficient. That doesn't worry me one bit. It has only been a week - it's early. Don't panic - and, for the love of all that's still good, don't start with the tired Pennington/Henne debate. When the time is right, the switch will be made. And the time isn't right.
- I think Anthony Fasano and John Nalbone traded identities for the scrimmage. Nalbone made three or four catches - including a touchdown - while Fasano dropped two passes. But seriously, I'm not worried about Anthony at all. And it's good to see Nalbone perform well - hopefully giving the rookie out of Monmouth some momentum heading into week two.
- The only sack that the first-team offensive line allowed was to Jason Taylor. Not a bad performance by that unit.
- Sean Smith makes plays, folks. Don't be surprised if his performance on Saturday elevates him above Vontae Davis, who was beaten by fellow rookie Brian Hartline for a long touchdown pass.
- When I saw Jason Allen's name in one of the reports, I got excited thinking it was going to be for a positive play he made. Instead it was about how he got beat by Anthony Armstrong in which Allen "never played the ball." Not good.
- Either Will Allen and Eric Green had damn good days or Ted Ginn drank his "invisible juice." Ginn was one of only two receivers to not record a reception. The other was rookie Patrick Turner - who was reportedly having a great first week of camp. What gives?
- Ronnie Brown split out wide as a receiver - get used to seeing that this year.
- Nine penalites? That's not going to fly with this staff.
"HOT" & "NOT"
It's time for a new weekly preseason feature. Why? Because the coaches, in some fashion, likely did this very thing on Sunday as they made key decisions involving who will work with what unit to start the second week of camp on Monday.
Hot: Jason Taylor - It was reported early that Jason didn't look comfortable yet as a true strongside linebacker in Miami's 3-4. But things changed as the week went on. He's gotten more comfortable and, more importantly, looks as enthusiastic as ever despite his age. There were a number of questions about Taylor's skills entering camp. But it doesn't seem like his skills have diminished much right now. How he holds up as camp - and the season - wears on, though, remains a critical aspect of Miami's potential 2009 success.
Not: Matt Roth - He is yet to take part in practice following a very odd few days to begin training camp. Was he "ill"? Is his groin bothering him? Whatever it is, if Roth doesn't get back on the field, he's going to lose his starting job. It's that simple.
Hot: Jake Long - It's rare to include an offensive linemen on a list of "hot" players after one week of training camp. But Long's value to this offense cannot be understated. And it's hard for us fans to know how dominant Jake has been in practice when you don't get to actually watch. But what stands out is how quiet Joey Porter has been so far. Jake is the main reason for that. Omar Kelly, the best Dolphins' beat reporter, also vouches for Jake. Speaking about Jason Taylor, Kelly wrote, "Right now, outside of left tackle Jake Long, Taylor's the most dominant player on the practice field."
Not: Jason Allen - Jason has had a rough first week. He's made some decent plays. But as a cornerback, you can't afford to get beat consistently. Right now, Allen is doing just that. Every day it seems like we're reading about Allen getting beat for a long pass. On Saturday, it was Anthony Armstrong - a bubble player - beating Jason deep. He also had issues earlier this week lining up in the right position. But Jason has been in this defensive system for just as long as anyone else has been (two offseasons) and he's still yet to prove he belongs on this roster.
Hot: Patrick Turner & Brian Hartline - The two rookie receivers have been pleasant surprises during the first week of camp. Turner, despite not having a catch in Saturday's scrimmage, has consistently made plays each and every day in practice. The beat reporters have been raving about him. His teammates have been raving about him. And it's going to be interesting to see how he performs in the preseason. Meanwhile, Hartline really stepped up his game towards the end of last week - making big play after big play. In the scrimmage, Hartline victimized Vontae Davis on the first play of the 2nd team offense's series on an out and up route for 40+ yards. Tony Sparano has praised both rookies for their performances this week. But they can't let down in week two.
Not: Anthony Armstrong - After a strong offseason showing, Armstrong has failed to consistently make plays working with the third team offense. Even with his one big play in the scrimmage - a 45+ yard reception from Pat White, beating Jason Allen - his week one performance hasn't been enough to create any kind of separation from Brandon London for that 6th receiver spot - if the Dolphins even keep that many. He's going to have to stand out in the preseason to impress these coaches if he wants to make the 53-man roster.
Hot: Cameron Wake - After a slow start, Wake has really caught fire. He's exerting his physical prowess and getting to the quarterback. He stood out late in the week during the 2-minute drills - sacking Chad Henne on back-to-back plays. But een before that, Wake was getting pressure on the quarterback with some consistency. Then on Saturday, Cameron picked up a sack and numerous QB pressures. And make no mistake about it, Wake's performance this offseason could impact Jason Taylor's role. It was originally thought that Jason would see limited action to keep him fresh. But if Wake could step in and spell either Taylor or Joey Porter regularly, the coaching staff would probably have fewer reservations with giving Taylor the starting job and increasing his expected workload.
Not: Pat White - Though White wasn't as bad as he was during OTAs and offseason minicamps, he's still not playing as well as we all hoped. His accuracy remains wildly inconsistent and he still doesn't look comfortable taking snaps from under center (which was to be expected coming from a spread offense at WVU). But as he gets more comfortable with the offense - and as the coaches get more comfortable with him - I'm confident they'll find ways to use White, putting him in situations that will play to his strengths.
Hot: Sean Smith - Smith is a prime candidate to be one of the "promoted" when practice begins this week. He put together a very good opening week of camp, showing a firm grasp of the defense, solid technique, and excellent athleticism. And the kid's a playmaker at corner. He made the only interception of the scrimmage, picking off a pass in the endzone. While Eric Green hasn't played poorly, it might be in Miami's best interest to challenge this confident rookie.
Not: Ernest Wilford - His conversion to tight end is going to take time. But he is yet to flash in practice and hasn't really shown that he's a good blocker. Sure, he was a solid blocker as a receiver in Jacksonville, blocking smaller corners. But reports from camp indicate he hasn't shown he can block defensive ends or linebackers - someting a TE/H-back has to do.
UP NEXT
The Dolphins kick off their second week of camp with - what else - a double. The first practice is scheduled for 9 am; the second for 5 pm.
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I think the stand drills aren't too accurate.
There’s too much on again/off again hesitation.
Let’s to full contact and see who’s who.
Roth will show up somewhere. Runstopper’s always do.
JT will get even better -wherever he plays.
Go Cameron! Be another Moon (kinda sorta)!
Ginn’s legs will = Henne’s arm. One day maybe soon.
I hope our secondary truly chops heads off!
Larry Little is the man.
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 10, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, stand "up" drills...
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by Tunaflipper on Aug 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Summary
Promote Sean Smith to Starter
See if he can handle the jump in difficulty
See if Eric Green can start to dominate against lesser talent on 2nd team and 3rd team.
Abandoned the Draft Sean Smith at #25 Bandwagon to Join the Draft Sean Smith at #61 Bandwagon and get Vontae Davis and a 5th Rounder. Trio > me.
by DolphDallas on Aug 10, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But but......
So Chad Pennington wasn’t exactly efficient. That doesn’t worry me one bit. It has only been a week – it’s early.
Did anyone see his last game? I haven’t seen a qb throw a game like that since Neil O’Donnell threw SB XXX to the Cowboys.
and, for the love of all that’s still good, don’t start with the tired Pennington/Henne debate
But I wanna…and didn’t you post recently about us not debating this?
WB JT. Better man up on you’ll be out againg this year.
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by Neo on Aug 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holly sh*t you havent been here for ever How you been
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by dolfinfan34 on Aug 10, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine ty
Eh, I still get some quick updates from here as much as I can, just got alot going. Hope all is well w/ u.
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by Neo on Aug 10, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope to see you around at full strenth soon
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by dolfinfan34 on Aug 10, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't allowed to point out these things
Did anyone see his last game? I haven’t seen a qb throw a game like that since Neil O’Donnell
just like when Cam was the coach – you weren’t allowed to discuss what was obvious to those ahead of the curve (that cam was a terrible coach and the signs pointed to a looming disaster)….
with that in mind you aren’t allowed to discuss the fact that the lame ducker doesn’t have what it takes to lead the team through a good defense. you can’t point out that the team was terrible in the red zone last year and that same lame ducker can only make at best %75 of the throws needed, and that deficency leads to an offense that stalls in the red zone, stymies the running game, and retards the development of the best receiver on the team since he essentially just runs wind sprints 40 times a game…
I think we can discuss when would the best time be for henne to take over (some time not now is the only permitted answer though) and we can discuss how much better Henne is getting by not playing, and likewise how much better watching the lame ducker lead the first team makes henne a better qb…… because anything more than the 5% of first team snaps henne is getting keeps would overwhelm him and he would fall into a coma of over-information and forever be ruined…. now the fact that historically the best QB’s usually get better with playing experience vs bench time doesn’t count because Henne is allowed to watch film and attend mettings with the lame ducker and that doesn’t happen with any other back up qbs….
NOW this part is strictly forbidden because it casts a negative shadow on the only (reason why/player) the phins won any games last year, but you should never mention the fact that once the lame ducker was removed from his starting position as a jet, he immediately behaved in a manner that was not consistent with all his “help and mentor statements” he made about his replacement and began to undermine a young QB….
now you are allowed to mention how B London is the greatest developing receiver on the team and that he will be the next TO.
you can say that willford was a total waste of a roster spot and chris crocker err Eric Green is likely to be the same, however those are not really points of discussion but stating that the front office makes mistakes is not allowed …. so these 3 points may no longer be allowed even if there is a comunity concensus that they are true…
so otherwise…. yeah JT looks great and do you think they will lose a game this year? I don’t see how….
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to screw up the organization or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 10, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting perspective
even though i don’y agree with most. good critique of the party line tho
btw – i am probably CP10’s biggest fan. All class and a winner, despite all.
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by snook36 on Aug 11, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off are you a dolphins fan or a jets fan
cause the guy is a jet…. when he hangs it up…. he’ll be though of as a jet… and i have no use for that or any other jet…
2nd – as a jet, i wouldn’t say he was all class, esp. when it comes to the transition from him to clemens… but hey the jets backstabbing each other is good… so i respect him for that.
3rd – i hope he goes back to the jets ASAP cause the record says he’s mediocre… not a winner…. and i want to win, i want winners, and i want people who know how to win…. and history say penningtons isn’t that.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey slick...
u don’t kno me, and so far, thats workin out for ya. I would suggest ya keep it thatta way.
i’m no jet, see. we jus jus see things different where CP10 is concerned, an that’s ok.
was jus sayin your original thoughts were, well…original. I liked how you brought your side of the argument.
Your reply showed your true colors. You wouldn’t recognize class if you tripped over it.
As far as winning goes,… we both kno the score on that one, too, don’t we?
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by snook36 on Aug 12, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
The Sean Smith V. Vontae Davis stuff is getting a little old. I know you guys have your man-crushes going on because Smith is tall, but why not just be happy to have them both. My understanding is that Smith is Strickly a right corner anyway and that Davis is moving around more. So, to me that means that Davis has more cover skills right now; either way they both need some seasoning. I don’t care who ends up starting first I think they’ll both be good. Its just that some guys are making some weird comments when one makes a bad play and the other a good play.
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by AussieKen on Aug 10, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... lots of excitement... it is just the first scrimmage....
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by Alpha6 on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually like vontae davis better
athletic and aggressive. the only thing is rite now sean smith is showin himself to be a game changer. and thats the kinda guys u want on the field.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 10, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
last year that was what the defense was missing until Andre Goodman starting picking balls off left and right. Will Allen can make plays but he also doesn’t see many passes, especially if there’s rookies or Eric Green on the other side this year. The two safeties are both hitters, and neither is a serious ballhawk, so having a guy like Smith that can be a gamechanger and create turnovers and scoring opportunities should take our D to a whole new level..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Aug 10, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got removed but i think finster is gonna make another one
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Aug 10, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little Nicky, that’s fine. You can love Smith all you want. Its the Smith versus Davis stuff thats annoying. Its like some guys are rooting against Davis, which would suck if guys are thinking like that.
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by AussieKen on Aug 10, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is rooting against Davis
I think we all want to see the two become Madison/Surtain v2.0
by Matty I on Aug 10, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty you've been gone for two days.
Plus, I’m writing about what i’ve seen not made up stuff.
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by AussieKen on Aug 10, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok
just checking lol
I was hoping that I wasn’t insinuating that I was rooting for one over the other.
As it turns out, though, my thought process was accurate (for once lol). Sean Smith was promoted to first team to start this week off. Hope he responds well.
by Matty I on Aug 10, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty,
It just those little comments like the ones you keep making about comparing Davis and Smith, which I think feeds into the atmosphere of the comparison. Additionally, I wouldn’t be patting myself on the back too soon Matty, as that depth chart is far from set in stone. I just hope all the young guys come along quickly. I am very happy to see Smith doing well this past week, nevertheless.
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by AussieKen on Aug 11, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with this on every level
plus davis is being asked to do more and learn more than smith… so once it cliques for davis (if ever) then he’ll just explode into the defense, where as smith is more likley to end up as a role player due to is trouble with smaller faster guys where as davis can cover the whole package.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by finsxfactor on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, hear
Although I am doing the “what if” game with Sean Smith. What if a 6’3 corner could have 5’10 quickness? What if a 6’3 corner could have 5’10 hips? It’s natural for training camp.
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by Offer Doll on Aug 10, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a moritoruim on Smith's hips, too please.
Thank you.
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by AussieKen on Aug 10, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shush girl..............
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by Alpha6 on Aug 10, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shush your lips........
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by Alpha6 on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... do the Hellen Keller and talk with your hips...
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by Alpha6 on Aug 10, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wake
Really pulling for this guy, nice to hear he is starting to show up…
TH
by oceantracks on Aug 10, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
Great read Matty! Thanks as always … can’t wait for the season to start!!!!
by Phincent on Aug 10, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want to win...
put Henne in!
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by finsxfactor on Aug 10, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I liked how that sounded...
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Henne not struggling, big arm got bigger, handling 80% of pre-season snaps? Ginn open deep consistently? I see dark clouds approaching...
by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 10, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should TM it... Otherwise Salguero will steal it soon enough
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Henne not struggling, big arm got bigger, handling 80% of pre-season snaps? Ginn open deep consistently? I see dark clouds approaching...
by FinsFromBrazil on Aug 10, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL MATTY!!! I COULDNT STOP LAUGHING!!!!
“HOT” & “NOT”
It’s time for a new weekly preseason feature.
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by finsxfactor on Aug 10, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol matty you funny fucker. just keep cracking me up
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by finsxfactor on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think JT said it best “we are talking about practice” haha
Not to burst anybodys bubble but this is practice. I know it will give the coachs a rough idea of where players will stand but it will all come down to the preseason games.
I look forward to Roth getting back in and seeing how it all plays out .. until then
by markus_13 on Aug 10, 2009 3:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think what we all want is to see how these issues play out in the pre-season GAMES........
Soon, people, very soon…….answers to our questions will be given. Like I’ve said a million times now, trust the Trifectia !
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Aug 10, 2009 6:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Suggestion....
Instead of calling the segment in the article “Hot or Not”…….
Call it “VATTSUP or ISH DONT THINK SO”
by scbrandon on Aug 10, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really want to see the Sean Smith & Vontae Davis turn into the duo or even better than, the Surtain/Madison duo.
by PhinsFan69 on Aug 10, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't wait for the season
Cobbs, JT and Wake all had impressive days.
Great summary…Matty
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by miami25 on Aug 10, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well I would have been able to read this much sooner
but the power has been out for like ever. But great write up Matty. I like the Hot and Not section, it gives good perspective. Great for you to be back.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Aug 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
truer words were never more well said Matty
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by Patssuck456 on Aug 10, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
last time i looked
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Either Will Allen and Eric Green had damn good days or Ted Ginn drank his “invisible juice.” Ginn was one of only two receivers to not record a reception. The other was rookie Patrick Turner – who was reportedly having a great first week of camp. What gives?
Ginn is running with the first teamers and Pat is running with the 2nd teamers…. and i have no idea why a guy whose best asset is getting deep would disappear with the first teamers and a guy who runs outs and ins a 15 yards would do much better with the 2nds….
where as the guys who work underneath coverage and make quick cuts at 3-5 yards seem to do better with the firsts….
I haven’t the faintest idea what is going on here…. but maybe once they work it out they’ll be able to score TD’s in the red zone and pick up a first on 3-10.
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So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to screw up the organization or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 10, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to see the first preseason game,
then we can start to make some evaluations, everything right now is conjecture, which is fine, we shouldn’t get carried away though.
I believe Sparano when he says there is no depth chart right now, sure we know some of the guys will be here, but for the rest they are still working on learning the system, if your thinking, your not playing, and all the new guys are still thinking out there.
Right now it’s just a cloud of dust, and we have to wait until it settles.
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by uncle finster on Aug 10, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
have to agree
but we do know who is running with the first team and that has some serious cache…..
to me i’d like to see if they let Henne play with the first team line, cause everytime i open an article he’s running for his life and it’s pretty clear that the drop off between the 1st and 2nd O-line is Huge compared to the drop off between teh 1st and 2nd D-line and O-lb’s, and if they don’t let Henne play with the first teamers in the preseason it’s pretty much a clear idea that they are in a win now at all cost mode no matter what they say about henne starting next year.
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 10, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should be playing Henne this year
Barring the inevitable injury to Penny.
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by Offer Doll on Aug 11, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with sparano and i aint from philly
you don’t coach scared and you don’t root for someone to get hurt … so take your inevitable injury coments someplace else…
now that that is off the table would you like to explain why they shouldn’t play henne this year?
Chad Pennington - The Lame Ducker aka the progress stopper.
So do you think the Jets intentionally did it to set the organization back 3 years or was it just an unintended side effect of their move.
by W NY Fins Fan on Aug 11, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a fair point,
and I believe we will see Henne get plenty of reps with the first team O-line in the preseason, I doubt Penne will play much at all this preseason.
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by uncle finster on Aug 11, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
ted ginn didn’t impress anyone. that’s different from? oh wait, according to some people as soon as henne takes over, he’ll go from a joke to a #1. RIGHT
by ncfinfan on Aug 11, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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