Michael Vick - Forgive, Forget or F'in Disgusted
I'm really sorry to continue with the Mike Vick Saga...but I've really been struggling with how I feel about him. Maybe you can help me make up my mind.
When Vick was at V-Tech, I instantly anointed him a football god. And still to this day, after seeing what I've seen him do on the big stage, I still believe he is one of the game's greatest talents of all-time. Being a dog lover and compassionate human aside, killing animals for "fun" just does not sit well with me. I can appreciate the fact that some behaviors are learned and I and understand that certain cultures and communities have their "traditions" and "ways of doing things" but there is something very wrong with killing for no good reason.
If you're a hunter, then you better be hunting for food, clothing, or to protect your home and crops, but if your hunting just to collect a new set of horns for your mantle, than you're no better than the animals you hunt. In fact, I'm not sure if any animals kill for fun (or sport) except our F'd up species. Why must we yearn for that rush of the kill, the power of control, dictating death with the squeeze of trigger, or imposing our will to a weaker species? Sounds like a mental illness to me, more than "just something people do". If there's no defense or especially no direct competition, it's not a sport. (yeah I know I probably touched a nerve with some of you,, I fight with my gun-happy uncle and his bullshit excuse for killing deer for a measly 5 links of venison sausage.... I think he just has a small dick and killing big animals makes himself feel all better inside)
I digress....
When the Mike Vick story had broke, I just went through one of the most traumatic nights of my life. I have an America Bulldog named Rosie. She normally looks a bit meaner, especially when she pants and her face reveals her pitbull genes. As such, people are usually scared of her and it makes me so mad that they prejudge her. She's an 80lb ball of muscle and love.
Rosie is one of the most amazing animals I have ever seen or known. It is almost disrespectful to call her an animal. Sure, she can do any trick, and yes she loves unconditionally like any dumb dog, but Rosie is a little different. For those of you who have let dogs into your lives, you know what I mean. I know exactly what she wants by looking into her eyes and more importantly she knows exactly what I'm thinking and feeling by looking into mine.
It is a crazy bond that occurs; it's a bond with nature, God, life, your inner being, .... it's really hard to explain, but she completes me...(and no I never put peanut butter on my nuts :) ) Anyway, Rosie also served as a therapy dog at an adult facility for mentally ill patients. When I arrived with her, there were droolers, head shakers, head bangers, mumblers and so on.. by the time we would leave... the brightest faces were filled with their missing senses and youthful personalities.. The bonds Rosie made and the reactions we received were nothing short of miraculous.
And so..... I was having some work done in my house and I mistakenly gave these contractors the freedom to come and go. Now Rosie loves every animal and every person she has met, except for 2 guys. One I know personally and she had every right to growl and back away from him. The other was one of the contractors who was a raging alcoholic. Not sure if he ever tried anything funny with Rosie or hit her, or whatever, but one day Rosie darted form the house and he pursued after her. She ran further and further until she was lost. I was called from work and for 5 hours I scoured the woods and drove aimlessly screaming for my baby girl.
I knew she would eventually go to someone, but was very afraid of who that person might be. Dog fighting does have an underground in NJ and dog napping is not uncommon. She was nowhere to be found and I couldn't imagine her wandering off so far. I thought about the worst thing that could have happened. I feared that some asswipe would lure her into their ride and bring her into the dark world of dog fighting. She would be the perfect sparing partner of a champion pit, because she would offer no resistance. She would also be a perfect ringer, because people might actually bet on her based on the looks, no knowing she wouldn't last a second.
It was all bad, and I nearly threw up crying into my steering wheel. I heard the local ambulance dispatched twice and I followed, hoping that they may lead to Roise, alive or dead. Even if she were dead, I could live with the fact that she would be subjected to the cruelty of man. I couldn't imagine such a wonderful girl, captured, tortured, attacked, and left for dead. I thought about her expecting me to save her. I cried to think that she would loose all trust in me, because I abandoned her. I know some "people" and instantly made up a mental game plan on how to infiltrate the dog fighting world to find my Rosie, or the people responsible. What I would do to them would be unthinkable and un-writable (yeah even for me...) Ya see, dog-fighting is not just for the dogs bred into that world, it extends much further and I feared that it had just reached me.
Just before nightfall. I received a callback from the police. Rosie was found off a busy highway a few miles away. She was in the care of some good people. She wore off all the pads from her paws and was in great pain... I found her, and was never more thankful in my life.
Now,,,,, all my projected hate had been on someone, or something, just like Vick. Sure dog fighting had become a very sensitive issue for me, where I had never really thought about it much prior to Rosie getting lost. Vick was brought down and I discarded the two jerseys I owned; including a really nice V-Tech throwback, which I use to wipe down Rosie's muddy paws with today. All the admiration was lost. All the 1st round fantasy picks meant nothing. All the wondering about where Vick's legacy would end up, were fleeting thoughts. I hated him and all that he stood for.
Fast forward two years, and now I question whether he really participated or just funded the dog fighting operations. Whether he was really misled by the horrible people that surrounded him. Whether or not he learned to appreciate how special dogs and other intelligent animals really are...whether or not he even cares. And why do I even care, he's just a football player and just another ex-con.. But I do...I still respect him as a football player and my fraternal bond with all players is preventing me from dismissing him entirely. I am really torn.
When I'm watching him roll out of the pocket once more while making two of the most skilled athletes in the world look second rate, do I cheer for him to blow out his knee in horrific fashion or do I offer a kind smirk of appreciation for his ability.
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Lets get over it people...
Donte Stallworth KILLED A PERSON and is being treated better just because he gave them a million dollars or something. Thats BS. This aggrevates me so much that people have no life and hate on Mike Vick because of this. Get over it! He paid his dues! 2 YEARS IN PRISON!!!!! Jeez you cant live life without mistakes!
if it was a mistake
then it wouldn’t have been done more than once. What Stallworth did was a mistake, he didn’t just go out and say “hey I’m going to kill someone tonight.” Vick kept doing what you call a “mistake,” he knew what he was doing and kept doing it. Therefore you are incorrect in calling it a mistake. Besides that point, he lied about it. Stallworth admitted what he did, not lied.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
We should get over it. And I agree that Stallworth got off WAY TOO EASY.
The problem is, despite paying his “dues” what VICK did was not a one time mistake,,, it was a lifestyle of evil, violence, corruption, disregard, greed, and sickness. It that really is who he is and if that lifestyle is still ok with him that his “dues” have nothing to do with his rehabilitation as human. I pray that he really did find the error in his way and that is where I struggle with getting over SUPPORTING him as an athlete.
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado
08-09 No Award Winner
my opinion
is that I couldn’t support someone who did something like that. And I won’t
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Your dog is really cute
I happen to be more of a cat person but an animal lover nonetheless. It is fortune you were able to get Rosie back. I am glad you did. Because I love animals so much it is also hard for me to know how to feel about the Vick situation. But my conscience takes over and I decided that people that can do such horrible things to animals are sick people. The next step is only humans. People like that are so sick, in my opinion, that nothing can really change them. I’ve come to love football more than anything and it hurts me to see that Vick was reinstated. He is a disgrace to football, in my opinion, and the human race. But as long as he isn’t on my team then I can’t really fuss. Of course I would like to see him get injured the first time he steps on the field, but that isn’t up to me. It is a sad situation and there is a difference between mistakes and something that is done over and over again. You can’t say what he did is a mistake when he kept doing it. And that is where I stand.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions
i understand your passion on the subject...
and im not saying whether i agree or disagree, its just i don’t want anyone to get hurt. u probly sed that out of passion or u were in the moment, but i think everyone needs forgiveness so hoping he gets hurt is trying to get some sort of “justice” im guessing but when it comes down to it second chances should be given no matter how many times you mess up. Forgiveness. All IMO. i hate what vick did but its just when i saw that part of ur comment i had to say something.
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Firstly, fuck Vick, but.....he served his time and he deserves to make a living.
Now, I am so happy that Rosie made it back to you safely !! This is my dog, Sox, she has been to games in Detroit,Cincy, & twice to Joe Robbie ( really just the tailgate, she stayed in the RV ). And, she also went with us to Dan’s HOF weekend in Canton.
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She’s a big Dolphin fan and a therapy dog as well. As I am a physical therapist asst., she went to work everyday when I lived permentally I Ohio. The last 2 years I have been traveling all over the country as a traveling therapist, so she has stayed home with Mom. I miss her like mad, but I have been off work for about 10 weeks now & spending all kinds of " quality time" with her. I found her when camping in southern ohio, about 7 years ago. Lost in the forest, no collar, thin, & wanting some attention. I asked the owner of the cabins that I stayed at what her story was, as I was there for a long weekend and she kept hanging around. Of course, she’s not stupid…….I fed her as she was so thin. The owner said it was not uncommon for lost dogs or dogs that where unwanted to be left in the forest. He continued that some hunter would probaly just shoot her as she would scare off any deer around. It was then I asked if I could adopt her, he replied “you’ld be saving her life.” That was it ……from Southern Ohio to Northern Ohio the next day. She has been family ever since !!
She’s a champ in a nursing home, a real sucker for attention. Her’s another pic of her I just love. I was doing my “aquahawk” and wanted to surprise the crowd outside. It looks like she’s guarding the door, but really she’s probaly just watching someone eat !!! It’s funny to me ………….
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 28, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions
PS- planning to trip to Jets / Dolphins in Nov.
YOU IN ??
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
where do you get your Dolphins gear from? The internet or at actual stores? Because all the stores around here don’t carry anything good and the NFL store doesn’t have what I’m looking for. So let me know if you can.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya know, I have more stuff than I need & am always looking for more !!!
Since I go South the last couple of years, I’m in Dolphin heaven !!! But, for you online is going to be the way to go. The NFL shop is good and all, but you can find some good stuff on ebay too. …..I’ve got a bunch of stuff there at very good prices. However, it can be hit or miss………..
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 28, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
alright
I’ll do some looking around. I’ll probably have better luck once the season actually starts. I just got a winter jacket in the mail today that I ordered from NFL.com for the game at the Ralph. I just need to find a winter hat and gloves and I’ll be set. Thanks for your help.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
most def.... !!!!
Gonna be awesome!
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado
08-09 No Award Winner
WHAT !!!!!!!!!!! Sox gets no love, shame on you !! Better watch it or I'll have her lick you to death !!
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 28, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
geez... it's not easy working and blogging....
Sox is very cute and you are a good man..!!!
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado
08-09 No Award Winner
Look I'm no Vick fan but
he served his time and should be able to play again. I have a chocolate lab that I love dearly. What I don’t understand is how people can sit on their moral high horses and cry over animals but not be able to forgive a human being. Like I said earlier, I pray for forgiveness all the time, I would be a hypocrite not to be able to offer the same forgiveness to someone else.
Also I’m black, live in the south(Ms) and have never been to a dog fight, and neither have the vast majority of the people I know. In fact I can’t think of anyone I know that has been to a dogfight!! So don’t buy that cultural bs. That was a choice he made to associate with that crowd.
IAMLEGEND
see I didn't
even realize that dog fighting was something that was around until this Vick thing. But like NJDolphan68 said in his post, there is even an underground dog fighting world in NJ. So you and I both don’t know a single person who has even been to one.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree..
But I have a hard time forgiving when I’m not sure if someone wants to be forgiven. Besides, only God forgives, we tolerate while looking over our shoulders….I’ve asked the court of public opinon to help me make up my mind, but I may never really know if Vick understands that what he had done is wrong , unless I sit down with him. Spending time in jail doesn’t mean that your rehabilitated or mentally healed. The proof occurs many years later… that’s when the healing takes fruition. Until then, IMO people need to earn forgiveness. It’s to easy to put your hands together, cry and go right back to your shameful ways.
It’s nice to see Vick get a second chance, and I don’t mean football. I mean when he gets some cash back in his pockets and needs to decide where that money is going and if he’ll support his lackeys once again.
The more time I spend with animals, the more I’m embarassed to be a human. We have a long way to go my friend! Be well.
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado
08-09 No Award Winner
Right on time with that cultural BS!
That is just a bunch of crap, as a matter of fact that was the first time I heard of a dog fighting ring that wasn’t run by whites, but either way it’s a shameful act, whatever your color is, I’ve heard this and that hear in Jersey, because 68 is right, there is dog fighting here in Jersey, I personally never liked Vick as a QB, now I don’t like him as a human, if he had just run the thing I would be more inclined to forgive him, but the torture and the killing is unforgivable to me, no matter where your from, or what your race.
"but now I was haunted by a vision of... he was horrible... the lone biker of the apocalypse... a man with all the powers of hell at his command" -H.I. McDunnough-
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by uncle finster on Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
completly agreeded
you said it how it is
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you got Rosie back 68!!!
"but now I was haunted by a vision of... he was horrible... the lone biker of the apocalypse... a man with all the powers of hell at his command" -H.I. McDunnough-
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former Goof Trooper
Thanks man...
The point of story was that I would never have forgiven anyone who had taken my baby and tortured her. In fact, I would beg forgiveness for what I would have done to them. Sadly, I had most of this planned out in anticipation. Considering Vick did do the things I was so fearful of, and possibley to someone else’s wayward baby… I am leaning toward despising him forever…
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado
08-09 No Award Winner
I already do! And I am not a dog lover. I have loved my dog (rip) and 2 cats (also rip)
but I just do not have time for any now. Nor am I home enough to treat one right!
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Now, my GF has 3 dogs, 1 cat, 1 rabbit and a daughter! (Their mealworn died last week).
Attorney General of the Matty I Fan Club
I hear you 68,
but I would not beg forgiveness personally, and I would expect Gabriel to greet me as a friend at heavens gate, if their is such a thing.
"but now I was haunted by a vision of... he was horrible... the lone biker of the apocalypse... a man with all the powers of hell at his command" -H.I. McDunnough-
Unofficial Phinsider "Avatar Creator" as Secretary of MIFC
former Goof Trooper
by uncle finster on Jul 28, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick is an awful person...
Let’s hope Dennis Greene is wrong about him coming to the Dolphins. That would be very disappointing having to watch that piece of s$&t run around in our beloved Dolphins uniform.
vick did his punishment and his time
he deserves a second chance
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by el presidente 00 on Jul 28, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions
still wish his dick would fall off
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
It still might! He WAS in the big house for 2 years - known for its ease of transmitting HIV!
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dude's a prick
plain & simple.
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
btw
Rosie is beautiful. how old is she? I’ve never been able to have a dog myself, my family being cat people, but when i was younger my best friends had an american bulldog named “Simba”. Homeboy was the bees knees.
"check that...the 29th of Feb. this year.....why is that the record day for hits? Did Matty have the Kim Kardashian sex tape or something?"
-Treat
"yes he did. and Jersquall recut it to look like Marino was boning her."
-Treasure
Thanks..Rosie is 6 now
There is no breed like an American Bulldog. Smart, Athletic, Dedicated, great with kids and other animals…But like any breed,, you have to be sure their bred correctly and not some garage experiment with pitbulls.
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
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08-09 No Award Winner
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