Around The AFC East: Ranking the wide receiver corps
Last week we focused on the division's defensive tackles. This week, for our next-to-last edition of "Around The AFC East" for the '09 offseason, we turn our attention to the offensive side of the ball. In particular, we focus on the division's wide receivers.
My ranking of the four teams is below. Also remember to head over to Buffalo Rumblings, Gang Green Nation, and Pats Pulpit to see how those three blogs ranked the division's receivers. But don't expect much love for Miami's group of receivers from those three blogs.
MATTY'S RANKING OF AFC EAST WIDE RECEIVERS
The top spot is essentially a two horse race. And even with the addition of Terrell Owens, it's the Patriots who will continue to scare me the most. Randy Moss is simply amazing. In my opinion, he's the most physically gifted receiver to ever step foot on a football field. His combination of size, speed, athleticism, and hands is unparalleled. And even though Moss is a Patriot, he remains among my top five non-Dolphin players ever.
But the Pats are more than just Moss - unfortunately. We all know just how good Wes Welker is at what he does. And that's the key. I don't think Welker would have ever put up the numbers he has in New England if he had remained in Miami. But in NE's system, he's an ideal fit and is very good at working out of the slot, going across the middle, making critical catches, and picking up yards after the catch. He's the ideal compliment to a receiver like Moss.
Joey Galloway and Greg Lewis are next on the depth chart. Both were offseason acquisitions and both will likely produce when asked to. In particular, I really think the addition of Lewis will prove to be another great move for New England. He's going to fill the Jabar Gaffney void very well in their offense.
Top to bottom, this unit is the best in the division and among the best in the NFL.
There's no question that the Bills' offense got better with the addition of Terrell Owens. Owens still has gas left in his tank and will likely be well behaved in his first year in Buffalo. And even in a "down year" last year, Owens had over 1,000 yards and 10 touchdowns. His deal was only a one-year deal, too. So he's playing for a contract as well - providing extra motivation.
Lee Evans, one of the NFL's most underrated receivers, will now finally get some single coverage to work with. He has never had a real threat opposite of him. Owens changes all that. All of us Dolphin fans have seen how good Evans can be. Now he's even more dangerous.
Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish round out Buffalo's top four. I think both provide solid depth. Reed was asked to do too much last year and will settle in nicely as the #3 receiver once again. And top to bottom, this might be the fastest group of receivers in the division.
No, the Dolphins don't have one receiver on their roster with a 1,000 yard season under his belt. Some Jet fans will say that's reason enough for their group of receivers to be listed above ours. However, the Dolphins top three receivers were far more productive than NY's projected top three - and they have more potential, too. Ted Ginn is entering his "make or break" season. Greg Camarillo was having a breakout year last year before his season-ending knee injury. But he was participating more than we thought he would during minicamp and will likely be ready to go for camp. And Davone Bess put together the second greatest rookie season ever for an undrafted free agent wide receiver. And we've just scratched the surface on Bess and his potential.
To me, though, the "X factor" is rookie Patrick Turner. At 6'5, 220 pounds, he's exactly what the Dolphins have been missing. He's a big, physical possession receiver who will be a factor in the redzone. He's shown this offseason that he has some great hands. And media reports indicate that he's shown surprising quickness in his ability to get in and out of his breaks for a guy his size. If he can contribute right away, this receiving corp in Miami, from top to bottom, is a very deep group. Again - no real stand-out star; but a great mixture of talents who compliment each other - and Chad Pennington - well.
Here's what I see when I look at the Jets. I see Jerricho Cotchery and nothing else. Behind Cotchery, who isn't a superstar himself, is a list of whose who among medicore receivers. Chansi Stuckey is probably penciled in as the starter opposite Cotchery right now. David Clowney has flashed potential in previous camps. But he's inexperienced and probably doesn't have a very high ceiling. Brad Smith, the converted college quarterback, has 53 receptions in his 3 year career.
And you thought the Dolphins' receiving situation was an issue heading into the offseason.
Think about this. Other than Cotchery, the Jets don't have a receiver on their roster who caught more than 32 passes last year. The funny thing is that it's no secret that NY needed a receiver. But they didn't go out and get one this offseason. So it should come as no surprise that the Jets rank dead last in the division and close to last in the entire NFL in terms of their receivers.
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I agree
In terms of potential the dolphins move up, but at the moment we aren’t experienced or proven so third is okay.
I hope that by next season we have shot up as everybody gets a spectacular season and a super bowl win under their belt.
by DickDevil on Jul 24, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking around the others
Everybody is agreed on who is either 1 or 2 and who is either 3 or 4.
I actually think the Bills have the best reasoning (apart from the Phinsider), as they are looking at the top 3 receivers on their own, without thinking about the QB or line play or running back as although these are factors it shouldn’t be part of this discussion.
The Jets have only receiver so we should be above them as we have Ginn, Bess and Camarillo.
by DickDevil on Jul 24, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would put the Dolphins above the Bills simply because we have more contributors. Honestly
the Way Ginn, Camarillo (underrated), Bess fused together last year was impeccable. now expect even better things with a big target in Britt, I mean um….Turner. Depth is better for us than the Bills. And please dont feed me this T.O stuff because sure he’s a very good reciever but he brings the play of other receivers down. He attracts balls his way and doesnt all ways deliver. Honestly I’d take our crew (no homerism) over the bills any day of the week.
Plus…Ted Ginn = Mach 19 = Amazing!
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by finsxfactor on Jul 24, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummmm
Owens, Evans, Reed, Parrish….I think those are all contributors. Depth is different than quality depth.
by bluecollarbuffalo on Jul 24, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my statement still stands
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by finsxfactor on Jul 24, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still stands as the most ignorant around.
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by TEMSON on Jul 25, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know you are but what am i?
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by finsxfactor on Jul 26, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No homerism?
TO has proven he can catch double digit TDs. I don’t know if he’ll do it here, but the guy’s a HOF athlete. Evans also runs somewhere in the Mach 19 range with an enviable set of hands. Reed is a really solid chain-moving slot guy who’s cured himself of the dropsies (if only TO would take a page from his book). Parrish isn’t much of an offensive threat but does break out every once in a while. The Bills do have two second year guys, one of whom has flashed some skills (Steve Johnson) and one that got injured last season but has some pretty impressive measurables (James Hardy).
I actually like the Dolphins receivers- Ginn gets a bad rap (he did torch McGee in that godawful Toronto game), Bess has flashed some potential and Camarillo seems solid if unspectacular. Unfortunately they’re young and haven’t proven a whole lot. If you’re relying on two rookies for depth, you shouldn’t feel overly comfortable since year 1 is basically a throw-away for any WR coming into the NFL.
It’s just not that close, man.
by WhyBillsWhy on Jul 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you here.
Miami’s receivers have potential, but are not on the same level as Owens/Evans/Reed.
by Matty I on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good argument here
i kind of agree with you here. as much as i’d like to say dolphins have better WRs, having a guy like TO will help all the other receivers you mentioned. miami is still looking for their go-to guy, even though we could very easily go to different targets (ginn, bess, camarillo)… but at the end of the day, having someone like TO or Moss is the difference IMO bc they can take over the game. miami is still developing that with a bunch of great, young, quality receivers.
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by el presidente 00 on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your opinion will change this season...all of yours...even you matty...even you
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by finsxfactor on Jul 24, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree xman
we have the potential to be BETTER in the future. But Evans and T.O. have proven themselves. They are both solid receivers. Matty’s rankings are a nobrainer.. we have a better WR core than NYJ but as of NOW are inferior to NE, BUF.
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by BSerious72 on Jul 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading this and the other 3 from AFCE, I like Matty's the best. (So call me a homer)
Why? Matty’s can be read as if you were using a single QB for all 4 teams. (Brady, CP10, Favre, whoever – it doesn’t matter). It is as for example – 2010: Brady goes down again. Whomever takes over has exactly the same WR as Brady did. You cannot rate a position like WR on who the QB is – as Pats Pulpit did.
I can not disagree with everyone’s rankings, because of the lack of stats Phins WR put up last year, so we continue to pull a Rodney. Just you wait ’enery ’iggins!
GGN was the only one who ranked JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJets above Phins. Duh, why am I not surprised? And Buff Rumb put Bills above Pats – all just because they have TO? Okay brotha, I guess we will just have to prove it again!
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by PhinsTifosi on Jul 24, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would say that
an argument could be made for the Bills to be above the Pats. Personally, I think that the Pats have a better group of recievers, but just by a little bit. As Matty said, Lee Evans is an underrated reciever, and having TO there will only make him more dangerous. I give the edge to the Pats mostly on the veteran depth they have in Galloway and Lewis.
The other factor that gives the Pats an edge is that Moss and Welker have played with each other for many seasons now, and have chemistry and cohesion. This is TO’s first season playing with Evans, and I think it will take a bit of time for them to mesh and get to the level of dangerous that they have the talent to be.
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by Chupathingy on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't take Moss and Welker any time to mesh
But Welker is a better compliment to Moss than Evans is to T.O.
by Matty I on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would say that Moss is better than TO
The Pats definitely have the best receiving core in the AFC East, if not the entire NFL (aside from maybe Arizona). However, we’ll see how a year off affects the chemistry of Brady and his receiving core.
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by ocelotfox on Jul 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOSS + Welker
> T.O. and Evans.
That’s a nobrainer.
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by BSerious72 on Jul 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLOLOL @ Jets
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by joel311 on Jul 24, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
where do they have them #1?
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by el presidente 00 on Jul 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Jets
still had L Coles and his 850 yards, then i would say it would be a toss up between us and them. Without him they be hurting.
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by Phintastic on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds fair
we have a lot of potential in our WRs but they have to prove themselves
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by Patssuck456 on Jul 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zactly
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by uncle finster on Jul 24, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to say i think the ole matmister is right on point in the rankings.. my only hope is that come next year we move up.. maybe even take the top spot.. yes moss is great andi hate the pats for it lol.. but still he is getting up there in years so how much mor ehe has left is yet to be seen..
now our guys are all pretty young still so they have it ahead of them to become great. i believe this year will answer alot of those questions for us.. god cant wait.
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by animal2020 on Jul 24, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me it's a toss up between NE and Fluffalo,
but I got no arguments with these rankings.
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by uncle finster on Jul 24, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it matty
I don’t think it’s even debatable. I don’t don’t see T.O. and Evans in the same league as randy moss and welker. they are a close second and the jets are no doubt #4!
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by BSerious72 on Jul 24, 2009 8:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Randy Moss > T.O.
T.O. > Welker
Randy Moss > Evans
Evans > Welker
It’s defiantly debatable, but it’s close and it may come down to who is throwing to the receivers and we all know who would win in that debate.
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by TearsofaClown on Jul 24, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...you guys are "trippin"
Pats are loaded.
moss > to
welker> evans
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by finsxfactor on Jul 25, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says the person who picked the Phins recievers over the Bills...
No way that Evans is worse than Welker, perhaps in the slot and on slants but that would be about it. Evans is way better than Welker, cant imagine why anyone would think otherwise.
Pats are loaded? A few question marks there, Lewis has only started one full season in his career, did do well with over 500 yards but that was over 4 years ago, if Galloway is completely healthy and is not over the hill as some have suggested then I could see a case made with them having better receivers than the Bills but he is coming off a 13 rec year and is 37 years old.
Some good statements made about how Moss/Welker mesh together as well which is suspect for T.O/Evans at this point.
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by TearsofaClown on Jul 25, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i dont think you have seen welker play....
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by finsxfactor on Jul 25, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive watched him play in Miami and in New England, he is 3rd slot receiver playing in the 2nd slot role, playing well and overachieving so far, but he is not better than Evans.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 25, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol thats funny...evans > welker!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA are you on crack?!?!?!?!
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by finsxfactor on Jul 26, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make a case worthwhile that Welker is better than Evans, would love to hear any reasoning to why you would think he is.
Actually any other person around here that thinks Welker is in fact a better player? If so i would rather have a conversation with that person as I’m sure from previous talks with this Finsx guy that he will have no worthwhile reasoning behind his statements.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 26, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarentee more than 80percent of us believe that wes welker is indeed a better reciever than lee evans.
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by finsxfactor on Jul 26, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your the first person Ive seen from the Bills/Miami/Jets side to say that, have yet to here any of the Pats say anything from one side or the other on this argument. Also i have yet to here why you think Welker is better.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 26, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has sure hands, he doesnt drop ANY passes, he has a great sense of where the chains are and is great at moving the chains. He then is a very elusive player that doesnt neccesarily rely on speed but rather quickness and agility.
Thats just him on offense. On special teams he’s a fantastic returner.
Then, and probably most of all, he sells out every single play. There is not a single snap where you can honestly say wes welker is not leaving everything on the field and is just taking it back a little. He goes all out and has the fiery awesome winning play that makes him much better than evans wil ever be.
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by finsxfactor on Jul 26, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now how hard was that to get a real conversation going?
Sure Wes Welker doesn’t drop passes but then again neither does Evans, Evans has just as good of hands as Welker if not better. Hands are a weak way to say someone is better anyhow as some of the best players drop passes… Edwards, Moss, T.O., Clark, Ward and so on.
What good receiver don’t have a great sense of where the chains are? He does move the chains better I’ll give ya that.
He is an elusive player who seems to be open very often but then again look who’s on the other end of the field to help him out, Evans finds a way to get open while being double covered to come up with the big play.
Evans has been consistently good with no supporting cast while Welker has been average at best before he got into Belichick system and as Ive stated before Belichick can make a good player look great.
Take both of these players and put them on a different team together and Evans would be the number guy while Wes would be 2nd.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what take
I don’t know who is a “better” receiver between Evans and Welker. But I think Welker is better at what he does than Evans is at what he does. What I mean is – Welker is a better compliment to a Moss than Evans will be to T.O..
With that said, if both Welker and Evans were forced to be #1 receivers, I think Evans is the better primary receiver.
Make sense?
by Matty I on Jul 27, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect sense.
Cant really argue with that, can only wait to see if Evans and T.O. will have the same kind of chemistry on the field as Welker/Moss, extremely doubtful but only time will tell.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 27, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like the term primary receiver, I'd prefer deep threat
Not to be argumentative.
On any given play, Moss, Welker, Evans, or Parrish may be the primary receiver (i.e. #1 on the progression chart). That is completely different from the role on the team.
Some people define the roles:
- - deep threat / possession (Moss, T.O., Evans, Galloway)
(Ball on average caught past 10 yds) - - indermediate (Lewis, Reed)
(Ball on average caught around 10 yds) - - under (Welker, Parrish)
(Ball on average caught aroung 5 yds)
- or #3 can be slot position
Welker and Evans don’t fill the same role.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 27, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always Enjoy More Insight.
I do agree that Welker and Evans are very different players and both great in their own ways, Ive been comparing them as a number 1 receiver which may be unfair to Welker as he does not thrive in that position.
As a pure talent wise comparison i would pick Evans, A consistent Slot/Slant receiver i would choose Welker.
One thing i would change about your list tho is i would take out Parrish and change him for Reed.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a quick comparison:
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a quick comparison:
I take the (Ave Yds) – (Ave YAC) to look at the average position the receiver caught the ball. That isn’t completely accurate, but those stats are more easily available. Here’s what you have:
YDS YAC POS
Welker 10.8 5.8 5.0
Parrish 10.8 4.2 6.6
Reed 11.6 3.9 7.7
Owens 14.8 5.4 9.4
Lewis 13.4 3.0 10.4
Edwards 15.6 4.7 10.9
Galloway 15.7 4.1 11.6
Moss 15.7 4.0 11.7
Evans 16.0 4.3 11.7
These are lifetime numbers, and one of the reasons Owens position is shorter is he was looked at both as the deep threat and the third down guy by some of his teams. I threw Edwards in because you mentioned him. The POS number is where the QB on average hit him in his route.
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by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 28, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look at his last year in miami...with relatively no support at wideout...
and definetly no way wes has worse hands than evans. you are just blinded
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by finsxfactor on Jul 27, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha the thought the last comment i responded to was you, should have figured you couldnt make that much sense...
I stick by my statement about the hands but nevertheless lets move on to the no support thing, yes Wes did have a good season when he was with the Dolphins but his season was still worse then Evans worse season and Evans apart from this year has yet to have any support and has had mediocre QBs.
Also I personally believe Edwards is an elite wide out, and will prove it when/if he can fix his dropping issue, he has really been the only bright spot in a dismal Browns Offense. But id rather not talk about him since he has no bearing on this subject, sorry for bringing him up.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw you arent the best reciever in the game or near the top if you cant be relied on consistently.
thats why
fitz, calvin, and andre are the elite while edwards is above average.
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by finsxfactor on Jul 27, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welker>Evans
Way more important and far in away a better compliment.
Guy can do everything, he’ll fit in for Belicheck at HC if he’s sick.
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by BSerious72 on Jul 27, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wes more important than Lee? Really? if it wasn’t for Evans then the Bills would have been even worse the last few seasons than they already were, Buffalo has been counting on Evans to do just about everything since he was drafted (J.P only knew how to throw it to him…). Now yes Wes is a better compliment to Moss as Matty I has already stated but as i recall the Pats won 3 super bowls without Wes and can win another with or without him.
by TearsofaClown on Jul 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u nailed this one matthew
i totally agree with you…NE’s WRs scare the crap outta me, they are too good with Moss, and Welker…and BUF now with TO alongside Evans, geez, we gotta upgrade to compete with that
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 24, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree completely
I don’t like T.O., but his presence improves the Bills offense. Makes me feel better that we picked up T.O.’s shadow, Shawn Springs.
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by Marima on Jul 24, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smith?
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Supporter of the Bash Brothers- Wilson and Bell.
by BSerious72 on Jul 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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