Miami Dolphins Training Camp Primer: A battle at wide receiver
by Matty I on Jul 21, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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I told you we'd begin whipping out our "training camp primers" to discuss and debate some of the key storylines to monitor once camp kicks off. And I'm a man of my word.
The wide receiver position is going to be a very interesting position to watch this year. You got a combination of guys who are virtual locks to make the roster but still have to step up their production as well as guys who are squarely on the active roster bubble. Throw in some rookies and a 2008 starter coming back from a serious injury, and the question marks at the position quickly pile up.
THE QUICK BREAKDOWN
Virtual locks to make roster: Ted Ginn Jr., Davone Bess, Greg Camarillo
Likely to make roster: Patrick Turner, Brian Hartline
On the bubble: Brandon London, Anthony Armstrong, Ernest Wilford
Long shots: Brennan Marion, Chris Williams
THE QUESTIONS
There are two questions that jump out right away. One - is Greg Camarillo healthy enough to make the roster or does he have to begin season on the PUP list? If he did, that would potentially free up another roster spot. And that brings me to question two - how many receivers will the Dolphins keep on their 53-man roster? Five is the norm. But the Dolphins usually dressed only four on gamedays in 2008 - and dressed only three once Camarillo went down for the season. So it's clear that this regime doesn't necessarily think you must keep five receivers. And keeping six - as many think Miami will - is far from a sure thing.
THE NUMBERS GAME
What makes this position such an interesting one to watch in camp is because it will have ramifications on the entire roster. If the Dolphins do the unconventional move here and keep six receivers on the 53-man roster, you have to begin to wonder which position will lose a roster spot. And that brings me to Ernest Wilford - everyone's favorite free agent bust from a year ago. We know that Wilford has been working as a tight end this offseason in addition to receiver. You could conceivably make a case that Wilford making the team as the 6th wide receiver would allow the Dolphins to keep only two true tight ends on the roster - with Ernest playing the role of 6th WR/3rd TE. However, doing that would mean that the other five roster spots at wide receiver would come down to seven players. And there's no guarantee Wilford will even perform well enough in camp to merit making the team at any position.
Placing Greg Camarillo on the PUP list to begin the season would free up a roste spot. However, he participated in the team's final minicamp far more than anyone thought he would - proving that he might be very close to 100% as we head into training camp. If that's indeed the case, there's no way Greg gets stuck on the PUP list.
Some people are wondering about Brian Hartline, the team's 4th round draft pick back in April. Some think that the Dolphins could try to stash Hartline on the practice squad to begin the season. However, to do that, the Dolphins would have to waive him and allow the other 31 NFL teams a chance to claim him off waivers. He could also be plucked from the practice squad at any time by another NFL team (the only stipulation is that the player must spend the remainder of his season on the 53-man roster). So it's a risky proposition to try to stash him away like that.
The Dolphins also reportedly like Hartline's verstility a lot. They've used Brian at every receiver position and receivers coach Karl Dorrell said "the one thing I like about Brian is his versatility." That probably explains why he was drafted higher than many thought he'd go. Coupled with Brian's special teams contributions, I find it unlikely that Hartline doesn't make the 53-man roster out of training camp.
WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?
It's likely that Ted Ginn and either Davone Bess or Greg Camarillo will be starters to begin the season. This is a big year for Teddy, too. You'll remember that during non-contact OTAs and minicamp, head coach Tony Sparano made it a point to say Ginn has looked "dominant" at times in practice. That has to translate to on-field production once the pads go on and practice goes live. Bess remains the Dolphins best receiver working out of the slot thanks to his agility, quickness, hands, and fearlessness.
Look for Patrick Turner to make a splash as well in the right situations in 2009. The third round pick out of USC has impressed everyone who has watched him perform this offseason. He has shown "vacuum-like" hands and is reportedly running very good routes. His combination of size and hands should make him, at the very least, a viable redzone threat immediately.
THE KEY BATTLE
If I had to pick one head-to-head battle for a roster spot, I'd say it would be between Brandon London and Anthony Armstrong. London has been highly regarded among Dolphin fans and scouts alike for some time. It's believed that nearly half of the league put in a waiver claim on London last year when the Giants attempted to sneak him through waivers and onto their practice squad. The Dolphins, though, had top waiver priority thanks to their dismal 2007 season. London was active on gameday for 14 games but mainly contributed as a special teamer. However, he did make one critical diving catch on third down against the Jets that kept a touchdown drive alive. His combination of size, speed, and catching ability has kept London's ceiling very high. However, the selection of Patrick Turner and Brian Hartline (one a big receiver the other a special teams contributor) could make London expendable.
Meanwhile, the receiver who opened the most eyes this past offseason was Anthony Armstrong. He consistently made big play after big play during OTAs and minicamps. Tony Sparano said that it go to the point where the quarterback was actually targeting Armstrong and looking for him to make a play. He's got tons of speed and seems to have improved his route running. But he's very thin (5'11, 175 pounds) and has no NFL experience. Of course he did spend last season on Miami's practice squad - so he should be very familiar with the offense. However, he has to produce on the field during practices when the hitting is live as well as during preseason games if he hopes to stick around on the 53-man roster in '09.
THE PREDICTION
I think that Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess will all be on the team. I expect both rookies - Turner and Hartline - to make it as well (though I wouldn't be shocked if Hartline found himself on the practice squad). I also think there's a distinct possibility that the Dolphins keep six receivers to open the season - with that final spot going to either London or Armstrong. And if Armstrong can make a couple big plays during the preseason, I really think he could sneak onto the roster as the sixth receiver.
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great post matty
i say keep anthony armstrong thats my sleeper player this year could be another devone bess story, brandon really never did anything for us last year one big play out of 16 games and a thosand plays ran.
by Striker0418 on Jul 21, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
london
u cant say a thousand plays ran because london was in like 10 out of the thousand of those.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when camarillo
got hurt he never stepped up
by Striker0418 on Jul 21, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cuz he never got the chance
david martin was our slot reciever most of the time when camarillo got hurt
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In your final prediction you don’t say anything about Wilford. So I’m guessing that means he won’t catch on as a TE? Speaking of that how has our 5th rd pick J.Nalbone looked so far?
by KoolHand on Jul 21, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think David Martin gets cut and the regime keeps 4.5 WRs/3.5 TEs
counting Wilford half each way. It’s sad though, David Martin was clutch last year, but I think Fasano is probably better.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
That David Martin will get cut. This is his last year on his contract, why would they cut him if they could get a contract year out of him and let him walk next offseason? I think they are stringing Wilford along to use as training camp legs, so they can split the reps into 4 instead of 3, then cut (or god willing trade) him during pre-season.
by phinhead on Jul 21, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because they like Nalbone
already signed him and will be a cheaper option than Martin as a backup TE
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by BSerious72 on Jul 21, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did i miss something
I hand’t heard of any hand transplants for the guy since the OTA’s. he’ll be a practice squader unless his old hands of stone improve.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 21, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Martin is in his 30s
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by Patssuck456 on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
High hopes on Turner
I really like this guy. I think he’s got the ability to be a big contributor to our offense. He will definitely be the rookie that I’ll be watching out for the most. If he turns out to not only to avoid being a bust, but be a true contributor to our offense, he will fill a hole that our offense lacked; a big receiver.
A big possession receiver on one side (Turner), a speed demon on the other (Ginn), the Afro-Welker in the slot (Bess), and a raging bull at tight end (Fasano)…. yeah, that’s a receiving corps that I can be proud of.
by SDefee on Jul 21, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really starting to wonder if Camarillo is a lock.
Davone Bess pretty much makes Camarillo obsolete. Getting rid of the oldest player who also coming off of a torn ACL seems like the right, albeit tough, decision. I think the only two locks are Bess/Ginn (lock meaning it’s their position to lose).
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 2:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't go that far
but i agree – i’d swap cammy and turner. Turner IS a lock and cammy is likely to make the roster (health – being the only reason he could get cut)
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, Ginn, Bess, Camarillo and Turner will make the team,
everyone else will compete for one spot, and I think that London has the inside track because of ST.
This FO has shown us that they are not WR crazy, as you pointed out Matty, when Camarillo went down they didn’t even replace him, they picked up a LB if I remember correctly, this FO wants to pound the rock, and if Ginn and Bess have improved and Turner keeps impressing and they get Camarillo back, IMO they are going to think they are set at WR and the 5th guy had better be able to make some noise on ST.
We have quite a few older guys on the front seven, and this FO wants to rotate these guys as much as possible, we need to find a replacement for J Fergy, so I can see them keeping 2 back ups at that spot, as opposed to 1, which is what they did last year, also the uncertainty of the other CB spot may have them carrying an xtra CB, and my point is that I think they would like to keep as many defenders as possible, combine that with us trying to pound the rock and I find it hard to believe they will keep 6 WR.
by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 2:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Brian Hartline supposed to be a ST ace?
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he is,
but B London IS a ST ace, so Hartline is going to have to prove it at the next level, and he’s giving up height, weight and speed to London, not to mention the experience, IMO London still has the bigger upside, remember he is still young, he came out in 07 and has a really good height, weight , speed ratio, add that to knowing the offense better and the ST and Hartline has a hill to climb.
by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Hartline is a versatile ST ace, he can return punts, kicks, and tackle. Plus, he is versitile on offense also, playing all positions while London doesn’t seem to fit the slot very well.
by phinhead on Jul 21, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hartline hasn't done anything,
college doesn’t count, he has to prove he can do anything in the NFL, London has already proved that he can play ST in the NFL at the very least.
by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well expect Hartline to prove he can play special teams in camp and preseason.
Hartline is a VERY good gunner on the punt team.
by Matty I on Jul 21, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right Matty,
but London already is a very good gunner, and he’s bigger, stronger and faster then Hartline, I’m not sure his 4.58 speed is going to translate well to the NFL, but I will say this as his X-factor, he has excelent footwork, so I will be interested to see if that can carry him through.
by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why
would the FO draft Hartline in round 4 if he was just going to be beat out by London….
by Ham420 on Jul 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happens,
nobody is 100% drafting, why did Parcells draft Bobby Carpenter in the 1st round in his last draft with Dallas, and it’s just my opinion, I didn’t say he can’t or won’t make the team, I am just not convinced he will beat out London, I am entitled to my opinion, and this is an opinion blog is it not.
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by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It most certainly......
IS. :D. and yeah, see what youre saying. And i love how when everyone mentions Bill Parcells draft day mess ups Bobby Carpenter is the first name spoken…poor Bobby. lol
by Ham420 on Jul 21, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol finster gettin defensive
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't trying to be, just trying to make my point clearer.
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by uncle finster on Jul 21, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your opinion only counts when you agree with me!!!!
i’d say ties go to the guy just drafted so london would have to really be better than hartline.
plus i think london while good on ST wasn’t exactly all pro (the cameron signing made the ST dif last year)
so it’ll be a tough cut but i do think the numbers are against him….
my guess is he goes someplace else for a late rounder.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, London has already proved he is a good STer,
so it’s Hartline that has to prove something, since he hasn’t played a down of NFL football, Tuna has never been the type of football guy to keep guys just because he drafted them, to his credit, because it’s about fielding the best team, no matter how you came by the players, just look at who we’ve signed this past off-season, and Ronnie’s next.
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by uncle finster on Jul 22, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i kind of agree
but Brandon had a number of bad coverage mistakes last season. more so earlier than later but he did over run a play or two late (iirc he blew one against NE?)
but otherwise you are right that hartline does have to prove himself.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 22, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doh -
btw – the STer who made a dif is Erik – don’t know why i was think his first name is cameron….
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 22, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walden was a very good special teamer
Hopefully he makes the team again this year to do the same thing in 09
by Matty I on Jul 22, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
it’s hard to argue when the ST was terrible (bottom third anyways) and then he arrives and they are much better… (haven’t looked at the numbers in a while but i’d guess top 1/3 the 2nd half of the year)
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 23, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Walden was a good STer,
but he’s not a gunner, and it’s that spot in particular that London did quite well, he made some big plays from that position, but I do think that a lot depends on the top 4 guys and how good they are, and if our WRs are upgraded at the top, then the 5th guy will be a STer, first, WR second, but these are just thoughts.
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by uncle finster on Jul 23, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND.........a Buckeye !!
Sorry, it’s a built in bais.
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 21, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latest depth chart has...
Ginn, Camarillo, Bess, and Armstrong as the top 4 respectively. Turner will be the 5th, London the 6th if they keep that many. Hartline will be put on special teams to develop for a year. It’s funny how you keep on throwing out that dominant statement by Sporano. It’s no-contact OTA’s. Of course a guy with his speed and knowledge of the offense should appear dominant against rookies and almost a whole new secondary learning the defense. Let’s see how he looks when the pads come on, and the DB’s start getting physical. The same thing applies to Armstrong. He’s moved up the depth chart because of his speed, but that speed is worthless if you can’t beat the press. It also appears that during training camp, Wilford and Martin will be the one’s battling it out for who gets to stay and who gets to go.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 21, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What depth chart are you referring to?
There is no team-released depth chart until we get closer to the preseason games. Any depth chart you may have seen now is pure speculation by somebody and nothing more.
by Matty I on Jul 21, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course there's already a depth chart
Did you not get the memo?
by luvs2drnk on Jul 22, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been wondering why the dolphins took 2 receivers in the draft!
There by starting this whole debate, personally I think this will be similar to last year where by the front office took two running backs, one to cover Ronnie Brown as he came back from injury and one to stash on the practice squad.
I think that one was brought to cover Camarillo dependant upon his rehab and the other was got to improve the corps in general.
My question is who brings something different to the mix?
One of the important things that you need within your WR Corps is a wide mix of skills for different situations.
The fast one to spread the field, the quick reliable one to move the chains and the red-zone target. So who fits in what category and who can contribute to special teams as well, as we all know the Front office appreciates versatility?
Fast ones – Ginn, Armstrong
Reliable – Camarillo, Bess, Hartline
Red-Zone – London, Turner, Wilford
I personnally think that the team will go with one fast one, three reliable and one red-zone. Now maybe I have my interpertation of peoples skills wrong, so there can be movement. But with Penne behind center, you are looking for more reliable receivers than you are speedy ones.
Well thats my two cents on the discussion.
by DickDevil on Jul 21, 2009 5:59 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Good points.
Rec’d.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
London is the odd man out
I think everyone in in love with London because of his size, but with Turner now in the mix that role is filled. Also, when the dolphins were down to 3 receivers they put Martin in the slot. That’s not showing a lot of confidence in him.
by sdelinois on Jul 21, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nooooooooo dont say londons gone
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by el presidente 00 on Jul 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this will be the most interesting battle in camp.
But I am looking at this from a different perspective. I don’t see the phins keeping 5 WR’s on the roster. I don’t see it because, IMO, they will keep 3 TE’s and they will want to keep more LB’s than the normal roster usually dictates. TE’s are arguably the best and deepest position on the offense and this regime loves TE’s. LB’s, while I don’t think are a very good starting group, do make up the majority of special teams players and the phins need to improve at this area.
The WR position comes down to this for me. Who would you rather have on the field in 3rd and long situations: the 4th and/or 5th WR or the top 1 or 2 TE’s and/or Ronnie Brown? That, IMO, is a no brainer. I want Fasano/Martin and Ronnie on the field over whoever is the 4th and 5th WR. Then if you throw in the possibility of White becoming a “Slash” type player, he is another player I want on the field over the 4th and 5th.
With that being said, I think Ginn, Bess, Turner, and Hartline are locks for the roster. Ginn and Best are the two best WR’s on the roster. I can’t believe that this FO will not put Turner and Hartline on the roster and admit that they messed up draft picks if they are not. That leaves everyone else out, including Camarillo.
Camarillo goes on the PUP list or is let go. Unfortunately, he and Bess are the same guy. And Bess performed better and costs less.
by ct1361 on Jul 21, 2009 8:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering the FO pretty much admitted to a mistake with Wilford by
keeping him inactive pretty much the entire season, I don’t see an attempt to put a 4th round pick on the practice squad as out of character for this regime.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look for a spread offense
I can see them keeping 6 wide receivers this season. After seeing White get drafted as high as he was makes me think this FO has more in mind for him than just the wildcat. Keeping in mind what New England has constantly done to the rest of the league with it, I find it as no surprise to see Parcells wanting to install it along with the wildcat. The possibilities are very intriguing. As for all the mini camp route running is concerned, we’ll see the real players evolve when the hitting begins. That puts Ginn where he is every year, looking good in shorts. I read that Turner is gun shy coming across the middle also. We’ll see soon enough. Wilford is a waste of time and money. If Hartline and Turner are worthy of their draft slots there is no way they go practice squad. Leaving the fight to be between London and Armstrong. This is going to be a very interesting season.
by perspective on Jul 21, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spread look, but no spread offense...
I don’t think we go spread, but I do think we bring in aspects of it like short throws, high percentage plays like WR screens and 3 step drops. As far as the WR situation, it think that the players who are make it are:
1) Ted Ginn Jr.
2) Davone Bess
3) Michael Turner
4) Brian Hartline
5) Brandon London
6) Ernest Wilford
PuP – Greg Camarillo
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by Heater OsE on Jul 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SHIT!
when did we trade for Michael Turner? and when did we move hom to WR?
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by Patssuck456 on Jul 21, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha if only....
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by el presidente 00 on Jul 21, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there even really a question if ginn or bess makes it?
i mean in my opinion there’s not even a question. what would we do without them? everyone on the outside already considers our wr’s to be dog crap with them
by CaliPhinsFan on Jul 21, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OMG! I can't believe we have so many options at WR to pick from!
I can’t believe we have an “issue” at WR. It almost seems like we have a WR for any situation. What would a “true #1” WR bring to this team (besides drama) that one of our receivers already doesn’t bring? Speed? Ginn and Armstrong: check! Hands? Bess, Cami-boy and Turner: check. Size? London and Turner: Check check! Honestly, I don’t think we have a problem at WR, especially with a genius QB like CP10 who knows how to make the most of his "mediocre" receiving corp.
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by Malachi V on Jul 21, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good points
but i refuse to do the chant lol
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by BSerious72 on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But I put a lot of work into that chat!!! <:(
<;P BTW, love you sig. Suck it… LOL!
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by Malachi V on Jul 21, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good & interesting points, but......
I still miss seeing the deep ball. We all know how good CP10 is at short/mid range passes ( not counting the playoff game). So, my point is……the WR’s are very dependant on the QB’s ability get the ball out there to them. So as I much as I love me some Ted Ginn, I think are passing game is going to be much the same as last year as long as we are going with CP10. Short stuff to TE’s,crossing patterns over the middle, or dump offs to RB’s in the flat. Call me crazy, but I miss seeing the deep ball……….that shit is sexy !!!
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 21, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know exactly what you're talking about...
You, my friend, miss seeing Dan the Man slinging that rock out to one of his Marks. Man, those were things of beauty. Matty, did you ever put up a post of Dan’s Top Ten passes? That’s would be so cool.
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by Malachi V on Jul 21, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are you in my head ??? LOL......
KILL YOUR TV !!
by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
I’ll take wins – any way I can get them.
by Matty I on Jul 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true that..........but, the deep ball is still sexy !!!
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Jul 21, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true story
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 21, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are your possible trade scenarios?
Have to figure White into the mix when talking WR. He has no value as a Wildcat QB if we aren’t using him as a WR half the time. That’s where the element of suprise comes into play. Can’t help but feel there’s a multi-player trade in the mix with some of these WR’s involved, hopefully Wilford. Maybe some of the praise from Sporano thru OTA’s is just an upsell to other teams. I like Ginn, but I think he could be bait. I could see Ginn, Wilford, maybe a Rod Wright packaged to someone like……Kansas City…Oakland.
That throws some of this speculation into another direction! It is a possibility……
by Red Dog on Jul 21, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I’m trying to say is maybe we’re carrying so many because we are looking to trade…
by Red Dog on Jul 21, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
London & Wilford
are gooooooooooooone
Pogue Mahone Rex Ryan
by Corroncho on Jul 21, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
London and Armstrong is more likely.
This regime is going to fall in love with a dual TE/WR
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Martin is gone...
the rest stay….
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by Heater OsE on Jul 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great post matty
i agree with Ginn, Bess, and ‘rillo as locks, as well as Turner as a almost surefire thing to make it…Hartline i feel will prob be put on practice squad…between Armstrong and London, i am going to have to side with London, mainly for the fact that he has experience and size…i feel that the Armstrong is too similar to Bess, and we need London’s size for when we get into the redzone.
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 21, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol armstrong similar to bess?
in what way?
4.2 armstrong
4.7 bess
totally different type of players. one blinding speed and one has sick skillz. as for size we already have the turner the burner.
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they are both
quick and shifty…i didn’t necesarily mean they have the same speed…and plus we have speed in Ginn
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 21, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really armstrong gets the long balls
while bess gets open quick for the short-medium passes
different type of players
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am just thankful that I don't have to be the one to make the tough decisions.
How do you tell Anthony Armstrong that he is going on the practice squad after all the effort he has already shown? How do you release David Martin even though he was one of our biggest receivers last year? How do you tell the team that Wilford is going to stay and split duties as a TE/WR? How do you then tell the fans that beloved Brandon London is being waived?
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by fizh on Jul 21, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Dont be shocked to see Turner splitting snaps as the 3rd WR as Camarillo recovers from his knee injury.
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by Patssuck456 on Jul 21, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Suprised no one has thought of this...
Did it occur to anyone that Camarillo could be on his way out? Of all the receivers, he has the least upside. The only thing he has going for him is his hands. All it will take is one of the faster receivers to show good hands to show Camarillo the door. While some may praise him as another Wes Welker, even Welker was quicker and more elusive.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 22, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But the team obvious likes him
Which is why they signed him to a 3 year, $5.7 million contract extension last year.
by Matty I on Jul 22, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was easily our best WR last year,
why would you cut ties with a good dependable player?
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by uncle finster on Jul 22, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because while he may be a cheap option,
if Armstrong, Bess, or Hartline show just as good hands as Camarillo. Why keep the guy who’s slower? The reason he was our best receiver was because, although this is pretty sad when you think about it, he was our most experienced WR last year with two years under his belt. (I didn’t count Wilford cause the guy hardly played). Don’t get me wrong, the guy runs good routes and has great hands. But he’s still just a slot receiver, which I think would be better utilized with a faster WR. But this is all based on the receivers under him reaching their potential.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 22, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Bess nor Hartline are fast,
and it takes more than good hands to be a good WR, you have to get open, and he did that better than any Dolphin last year, so why would you want to get rid of him?
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by uncle finster on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned,
If one of the FASTER receivers such as Bess or Hartline, who are both faster than Camarillo, can show good hands and the ability to get open. Why keep the guy who’s slower? Bess and Camarillo are probably about the same speed, but Bess is definitely quicker. Especially considering Camarillo is coming back from a torn ACL. I can’t believe you don’t think Hartline is fast, that’s one of the main reasons the Dolphins drafted the guy.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 22, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a good receiver is about more than speed.
Just ask Troy Williamson.
by Matty I on Jul 23, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, once again let me clarify....
If you have two receivers of equal talent both catching and route running. Wouldn’t you pick the faster of the two. Bottom line, O.J McDuffies and Mark Claytons don’t win Super Bowls. Both of them were great route runners, with great hands. But neither had blazing speed and was a threat to take it the distance anytime they touched it.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 23, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
team; one for all & all for one!!!!
haveing said that, i do like “armstrong”!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Jul 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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