Weekend Roundup: Talking Ronnie Brown, draft picks & more
I know it seems like it's been forever since the Dolphins last took the field in full pads. But now we're less than two weeks away from the beginning of training camp. No - they aren't games. But it's still football - with live hitting. And there will be a number of things to watch down in Davie once camp kicks off on August 2. Needless to say, we're going to turn our attention to preparing for some of these storylines over the next two weeks. So be sure to check back here everyday.
Now onto some news (or lack thereof) from this weekend:
DOLPHINS SHOW INTEREST IN MULTIYEAR EXTENSION FOR RONNIE BROWN
One of the hot topics this offseason has been the issue of Ronnie Brown's contract. We've talked a lot about whether or not the Dolphins should extend Brown, who is scheduled to become a free agent following the season. Of course, if no collective bargaining agreement is reached prior to the beginning of the 2010 league year, Brown would only be a restricted free agent due to the clauses that get triggered in the event of an "uncapped" season.
With that said, a report in the Miami Herald over the weekend claims that the Dolphins have approached Ronnie's agent about a potential multiyear contract extension:
The Dolphins indicated they want to make a multiyear commitment to potential 2010 free agent Ronnie Brown and have had preliminary conversations about a contract extension, agent Todd France said. The sides will speak further during training camp.
This is something that is expected to heat up during training camp and is certainly something that will receive a lot of attention. At 27, odds are that Ronnie will have just this one opportunity for a final big contract. We all know running backs have a short shelf life. And while Brown doesn't have the carries on him that other backs his age typically do, he has already suffered one serious freak injury.
I think what's most interesting about this is that it will be one of the first times that we get to see how this regime will handle these kinds of contract situations. What will be their philosophy? Will they decide not to extend Brown before the season and make him perform for big money? If they do that, Brown could potentially increase his asking price even more with a big season. Or will they give him the money now? Doing that, though, could take some of the edge off of the player because he is no longer playing for that big contract.
Personally, I don't think Ronnie is the kind of player who needs to possibility of a lucrative contract to motivate him. He has repeatedly said that he wants to be known as one of the game's best rushers. I don't think that extending him before the season would take the edge off of Brown one bit.
Then, of course, comes the question of how many years and how much money Brown should receive. Brown's rookie deal was a 5 year deal worth approximately $35 million and included roughly $20 million in guaranteed money. What's a fair deal for Brown now? I think you need to look at how the running back market has shaped up over the past two or three years. In 2007, Frank Gore signed a 4 year, $28 million contract extension that included about $13 million guaranteed. In 2008, Michael Turner signed a free agent deal worth $34.5 million over 6 years ($15 million guaranteed). And just a few months ago, Maurice Jones-Drew signed a 5 year, $30.95 million extension with Jacksonville ($17.5 million guaranteed).
So where does that leave Brown? In terms of years, I'd like to see 4 years tacked on - keeping him in Miami through the 2013 season, at which time Brown would be 32 years old. Throw $25 to $27 million at him and over those four years and let Ronnie run wild in Miami for as long as his powerful legs will allow.
LESS THAN TWO WEEKS TO GET ROOKIES UNDER CONTRACT
While we're all excited to know that training camp will begin in less than two weeks, that also means the Dolphins have some serious work to do. They still have four draft picks unsigned - including their top three picks from day one. But the Dolphins are not alone. Only two first round draft picks have been signed - Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez. And only four second round picks are under contract - three of them are Patriots, by the way.
Fifth round pick Chris Clemons is the other unsigned Dolphin. But with the player picked two spots ahead of him signed as well as the player picked two spots behind him, it should only be a matter of time before Clemons agrees to terms. The wait for the other three - Vontae Davis, Pat White, and Sean Smith - could be longer. Nobody around Davis is even rumored to be close to a deal at this point.
The player picked three spots in front of White, though, has signed. However, that player was Darius Butler - a cornerback. With White being a quarterback, you could see his agent hang on a little longer to see how other players drafted around him do before inking a deal with Miami.
Sean Smith might not be that far off. Smith was the 61st overall pick - or the 4th pick from the end of round two. The first two players picked in round three are under contract. So is Sebastian Vollmer, the player picked just three spots ahead of Smith. So Smith's contract is relatively close to being "slotted" in.
Hopefully, all four of these guys get their deals done before the first practice on August 2.
COMING UP ON THE PHINSIDER
Like I said in the opening, we're going to be revving things up here in preparation of the beginning of training camp. Barring any unforeseen events, look for many "training camp primers" to come between now and August 2 as we discuss and debate some of the key storylines that we'll all be watching once camp gets underway.
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Sign him NOW with candy canes, stocking stuffers, and promises of Santa.
Christmas in July!
A decent paycheck. large performance incentives, and a gov’t sponsored health care package.
He’s a keeper.
Larry Little is the man.
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by Tunaflipper on Jul 20, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plurally speaking, get Brown in now.
The kids entering camp? They should enjoy the “opening the wrapping paper with the token gift inside” right now and hence, play for pay. Come December they can make up their new “Christmas in July” list.
Larry Little is the man.
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by Tunaflipper on Jul 20, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said...
… the Vontae contract worries me some… I don’t think he’ll be there at the start of camp. Which means he’ll get behind, and won’t be in the running for a starting job, and depending on how long he may hold out, we may only see him in dime packages.
The interesting thing about Pat White is how the team will see him (which position). If they see him as a quarterback or a wide-receiver may make a difference in the money he gets, I think.
I hope neither of these gets to lengthy…
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by Alpha6 on Jul 20, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Vontae will be signed
I don’t think he’ll be able to resist actually hitting in training camp :)
Ted Ginn is the man.
by topspin on Jul 20, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pat White is going to be used exclusively at QB.
That is all he has been used for in OTAs, right?
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by joel311 on Jul 20, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what can brown do 4 u?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 20, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Deliver us from TDs lol
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Jul 20, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i had no doubt that they would wrap up his contract before the start of camp. i am wondering about our top three picks though. not like our FO to not handle thier business. and i am sure the players know it as well. i have a little feeling they will be signed before we put the pads on. either that or i just got gas.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
by animal2020 on Jul 20, 2009 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wait it out
i say wait for browns signing, it probally will keep an edge on him and he would have something to prove, the rooks well sean smith should be ready i dont think davis will hold out long either chris clemons is weird i would have tought he would be signed by now, but dont forget u still have roth who contract is up this year as well
by Striker0418 on Jul 20, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He definitely turned out better
than Carnell the Caddillac and Cedric Benson
by Ham420 on Jul 20, 2009 4:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sign brown now!!!!
Ronnie brown needs to be signed now. pay him what you will but keep him in a phins unform. he is quite possible the most stable and dependable offensive player miami has had since the retirement of dan marino. ricky williams could strike fear into the opposing defense and was a fan favorite until…..puff puff pass….that whole ordeal felt like a punch in the gut to us dolphin fans. with a top flight RB to count on year in and year out, look for the the dolphin QB’s to grow without being rushed, (ala matt ryan, joe flacco)
ronnie is a beast and keeping him in Miami means the rest of the AFC will have to try to stop him. ask those safties and LB’s out there how much they would like to not have to tackle, or get run over by ronnie brown. sure ricky and cobbs are good complimentary backs but without ronnie they wouldn’t seem so scary. give the dolphins a offensive machine to rally behind. and give me as a fan….a player to cheer for like i routed for marino, or zach thomas, or mcduffie and jason Taylor. make brown a fin for life and lets run down the throat of the NFL…………….
by frostyphinfan on Jul 20, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said Frosty.......
I would love to see Ronnie retire as a phin and i still think that he has plenty in the tank to be an elite back for the next 3 or 4 years…….Pay the man and let him run all over the league…GO FINS!!!!!!
by scbrandon on Jul 20, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do doubt they sign him before the season starts
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by Patssuck456 on Jul 20, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah I doubt that will happen
but hopefully he gets signed long before he becomes a free agent
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 20, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay the man: 4 years at 28 million
We don’t have to pay a franchise QB nor a franchise WR because of him (and Ricky)
So pay the man. When his contract expires, we can shift the money to resigning Chad Henne or Pat White or paying our All-World CBs or OLBs
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by DolphDallas on Jul 20, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From the way this regime has done things,
I expect Ronnie to be signed before the season with millions in performance-based incentives. I think this is the best way to operate to keep a player both happy and performing.
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by joel311 on Jul 20, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see Ronnie play out his career with the Fins, he is one of my favorite players, so sign him, lol
once these rooks start signing heading into TC, it’ll be just the thing to get the juices flowing, the anticipation going, and discussions growing, can’t wait !!
by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm kind of with you
as everyone knows i’m a big ronnie honk and one of the few people round here who honestly believes that the reason the fins had such a big year was not the lame ducker but the great season ronnie had last year. He was easily the team MVP in my book and you only had to look at the defensive scheme’s the opposition ran last year to see which player they feared the most…. that said – i’m also a modernist when it comes to the current salary cap structure and the fact that great RB’s can be drafted and grabbed with mid round picks makes me say…. let ronnie play out the year, if he is a mvp type back Tag him, if he isn’t then try to sign him to a good deal otherwise move on. and with ronnie pushing 29/30 you really don’t want to lock up a lot of money in a RB that could be spent at other positions. say signing M Roth to a long term deal.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 20, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting points.
I understand that Pennington may be given too much credit (all of it) for last season’s success, but I feel you are going in the opposite direction by giving him not enough in order to compensate for other people’s Penne-love. Pennington is the king of clock management, you have to give him that.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
penningtons leadership and passion is what won us 11 games. that mentality of going out and provin the haters wrong is what made us great last year. in the playoffs tho that passion was gone because they thot they had already proved themselves by gettin into the playoffs
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 21, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about this Chris Clemons guy huh?
I have a feeling there seeing some big things out of this kid… mabey we found are selves a great late round player!!!!
by Phin king on Jul 20, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fight tigers, fight tigers, fight fight fight!
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by joel311 on Jul 20, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this kid Clemons,
he can fly, and he thinks he belongs.
by uncle finster on Jul 20, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
while the team can sign
ronnie – they should focus on signing M Roth ASAP. the guy is going to be the best OLB in the division by the end of the year and they should lock him in while they can get him cheap… good RB’s can be had with a little homework – OLB that essential tell OC’s “thow shall not run to my side” are hard to find and as a result rarely cheap.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 20, 2009 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do share your Matt Roth idolization.
The man was uber in his first year as a convert and people still trash him.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?! Matt Roth is a priority for you
I am of the opinion that he is extremely expendable.. he doesn’t rush the pass at all and he’s not fast enough to play Middle. Why do you think the Phins signed Wake and JT. they are going to phase Roth out
by Souwantmyname on Jul 20, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do agree with W NY.
Roth is going to blossom into a very very good OLB. As far as your “rush the passer” comment – Roth is a strongside linebacker. He doesn’t have to rush the passer. His main job is to set the edge and stop the run. And he’s very very good at that.
by Matty I on Jul 20, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Matty said.
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by joel311 on Jul 21, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They signed JT and Wake for pass rush situations...
Roth is perfect for red zone and 1st down situations. Plus he’ll no longer be a liability in passing downs. He may have gotten 5 sacks, but they were due more in part to coverage or the QB trying to get away from Porter. Additionally JT and Wake are quicker and better suited for blitzing and pass coverage, while Roth is stronger and can shed run blocks easier.
by luvs2drnk on Jul 21, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well siince the rumor mills
says resigning roth is a team priority right now, and that they have have had at the very least initial talks, i suspect roth is considered something a little better than
“extremely expendable…”….
and once again to judge a players worth…. go back and watch the last 4 or 5 games, or even the playoff games…. aside from the token run to keep the defense honest, teams NEVER ran at roth and when they did they didn’t get much. and everyone knows you don’t win in this league if you can’t stop the run.
and as the best run stopper on the team Roth should be the top signing priority.
by W NY Fins Fan on Jul 21, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
... here, here!!
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by Alpha6 on Jul 21, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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