Chris Mortensen "embarrassed" over exclusion of Pennington from top QBs list
by Matty I on Jul 17, 2009 12:00 PM EDT
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PrintIf you're like me, then you really have a hard time tolerating ESPN at times. At times, it seems like they focus on just the Patriots, Cowboys, and Brett Favre - and nothing else. But that doesn't mean they don't have at least some excellent analysts/reporters. One of my favorites is Chris Mortensen.
So when I came across the following ESPN "list ranker" poll, I just had to try to get some explanation. The poll asks readers to rank the top 20 quarterbacks in the NFL from 1 through 20. It includes names like Kyle Orton, Trent Edwards, and David Garrard. One name is doesn't include is the 2008 MVP runner-up: Dolphins QB Chad Pennington.
Needless to say, I was enraged here. So I decided to use the power of Twitter to see if I could get some reaction. And indeed I did.
The conversation started with me tweeting at Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) and Adam Schefter (@Adam_Schefter). All I simply said was, "Seriously, u wonder why so many people hate on ESPN? Pennington isn't among the top 20 QBs?" I also added the link to the rankings so they knew what I was talking about.
While I haven't heard back from Schefter, Mortensen has tweeted back multiple times. Here's how the brief Twitter conversation went:
Mortensen: "You are 100 percent correct. I just looked at list. Chad Pennington has earned his way. No excuse for this. They don't ask me."
Mortensen: "In fact, I'm embarrassed Pennington was left off the list now that I read all those names."
Matty: "Appreciate your honesty here. Who makes up these things? Kyle Orton and Trent Edwards over Pennington - the MVP runner-up?"
Mortensen: "Among others. Don't know. Some "panel" of editors and writers, I guess."
And this is something I'll never understand. ESPN has at their disposal credible football minds like Chris Mortensen, Adam Schefter, John Clayton, and Ron Jaworski. Perhaps they should ask them when putting together a list like this. Or, to simplify the process, why not just go look at last season's NFL league leaders and include at least the top 15 QBs in passing yards or passer rating? At least then, you probably won't leave off the runner-up in the 2008 MVP voting.
But a "thank you" goes out to Chris Mortensen. Rather than just spew the "company line," he was open and honest about his feelings on this "oversight."
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yeah him being on there makes no sense whatsoever
I’m surprised they didn’t have J.P Losman on there too. Chad should have been on there hands down
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised
Sanchez and Stafford weren’t on their, despite not having played a down of pro football.
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wow
i guess now we know who the editers are of espn.
patriot fans
anyone surprised?
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
Mort's always been a classy guy
Him and Tom Jackson are about the only reason to watch the ridiculously blustery NFL Countdown on Sunday Mornings..
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Wheres matt ryan?
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Not only did Pennington had the 2nd highest QB rating
but he had it with the receiving corps that ESPN is always shitting on.
Matty, if you could get the names of the morons that made this list, I’m sure several of us on this site would be more than happy to send them some food for though.
lol
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by jojo phin fan on Jul 17, 2009 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow.....
exactly what i yell at my tv screen daily when espn spews football garbage regularly
by CaliPhinsFan on Jul 18, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
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Where the hell is john beck?
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I think he went to Baltimore.....
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matty...this be true?
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Who DIDN'T make the list:
Pennington
Clemens/Sanchez
Flacco
Anderson/Quinn
Collins
Garcia/Russell
Campbell
Culpepper/Stafford
Jackson/Rosenfels
Freeman/Simms
Bulger
Hill/Smith
Take out Edwards, Orton, and Garrard and put in Pennington, Collins, and Garcia, and that list has SOME legitimacy. Didn’t ESPN do something similar like this with ALL 32 starting QBs? I’m pretty damn sure that Pennington ranked in the top 20 if I’m not mistaken (and I’m not)
Flacco and Pennington
both proved themselves last year. both deserve a spot. Nobody else stands out
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 17, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go again! lol
I have not seen espn for cute some time now!
They do the same for ALL the teams a cheer for! lol
Take about the Magics too!! And the Marlins!!
They always show went those team lose lol
efff espn and ALL in there, dont care about Mortersen either. I better check CBS sportline or other sources of sport news! NFL network is good until sapp fat bi*** star talking, hate the whale. lol
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
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sorry lol just had to put that in there
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
MattyI, making waves at ESPN.
Dude, you are going to be writing editorials for their magazine soon. I would just like to be the first one to say congratulations.
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Everyone remember to hit the "retweet" button...it will really spread the Phinsider name
i retweeted the list…..what a joke.
My balls with a helmet painted on them > Trent Edwards
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Matt Schaub looks like he's gonna murder somebody
and Jake Delhomme is pondering how he ever made it onto this list…
Yeah that list is so laughable its comical
I like Mort
he is awesome…and fuck this list, whoever made this should be strapped down and have us shit on them
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
y yes, yes i am
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 19, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. I didn’t even notice Edwards was on there (I left the page after my brain digested the first image my eyes fell on: Kyle Freaking Orton?!). Even I think it’s ridiculous that Edwards is on that list.
I know you mentioned Garrard. It’s bizarre to see Cassel there – the guy plays for the freaking Chiefs. Oh, and Matt Schaub has missed 10 games in the last two seasons; he’s hardly old reliable.
Cool of Mort to answer your questions.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
my balls with helmets painted on them > Trebt Edwards.....fyi.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jul 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lol im lookin at them now...looks like those helmets they sold in the quarter machines circa 1995
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Thigpen > Cassell
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I might actually agree with this… Thigpen was real solid last year.
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by Brian Galliford on Jul 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
which makes even less sense that the Cheifs would want Cassel
I understand he could possibly be an upgrade but Thigpen showed promise
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to watch the Chiefs play last year
Because I lived in Missouri. Tyler Thigpen was nothing short of terrific given what he had to deal with, and I hope some team (maybe even the Phins down the line) is willing to give this guy a starting job, because he certainly has the potential (and he’s much better than Matt Cassel in my mind).
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yeah exactly
I really thought he had some magic last year. which is why I don’t get the whole Cassel thing. Bad move by the Chiefs
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was really surprised they traded for Cassel.
This is why they lose.
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yeah and did you see
how much money the contract he signed was for this week? 63 million dollars for six years with 28 million guaranteed. he isn’t even proven. hopefully last year was a fluke
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no doubt
That Cassel will do fine in Kansas City, seeing as they’ll be running the same New England-style offense, but it’s just a shame that Thigpen loses out.
I mean, who are you gonna root for, the USC bench rider or the standout from Coastal Carolina?
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Here's their 2008 stats
Matt Cassel
15 starts (1 very long relief appearance), 63.4 Completion %, 3,693 yards, 230.8 yds./game, 21 TDs, 11 INTs, sacked 47 times
Tyler Thigpen
14 starts, 54.5 Completion %, 2,608 yds, 186.3 yds./game, 18 TDs, 11 INTs, sacked 26 times
Hmmm, so with a much less spectacular offense, Tyler Thigpen still put up similar, if less dynamic, numbers to Matt Cassel (sorry, but a ton of passing yards mean nothing if you don’t score). And Thigpen was sacked 21 fewer times, on a team that was among the league’s worst last season.
It just seems that they should trade him if they aren’t gonna give him a chance.
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Cassel's stats are better than Brady's were his first year.
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by uncle finster on Jul 18, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
But again
Cassel played with two of the top 5 receivers in the game last year, as well as a pretty good defense to support him. Few quarterbacks get that kind of early support in their careers.
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I just don't understand
why the Chief’s would put up that much money for a quarterback when they have one that had potential. and I understand that Cassel needed to go to another team but I never figured it would be one that has a decent quarterback
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 18, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
Gotta respect Mort for not only responding – but being honest in his response.
It’s refreshing to see an ESPN analyst/reporter admit their co-workers were wrong
oh my
wow i havent seen folks this worked up since they took chicken fried steak off the menu at ryans. it was riot in the streets. relax guys.. espn should be ashamed to have a bunch of pencil pusher locked in a dark room making list. heck they most likely dont even know what foot ball is let alone who is a good qb.. i bet they just googled the word quaterback and put the first 20 names down.
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
no because if Rex Ryan made it up
it would be insulting all linebackers he has never heard of in his own division. it wouldn’t even be relevant to quarterbacks. it would be called “my fat butt can beat up Channing Crowder and I don’t know what I’m talking about”
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Matty....
they just mentioned this on the palm beach post and said that someone from the phinsider called out Mort….
Awesome - he even links to my twitter page
Maybe some people will wander over here from my Twitter page and become part of the best Dolphins community on the ’net!
Or they’ll ignore us. Either way – we’re slowly accomplishing our goal of taking over the world! lol
Tim Graham did a story on wheter CP10 should be top 20 or not.
here is the link
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I posted a fan post a while back complaining about the lack of respect by ESPN and
other mdeia outlets in regards to CP10 and the Phins as a whole.. I got very little response and most were along the lines of “who cares what the media thinks”
Its pathetic really.. It has to stem from people writting the stories being biased. And the people running the stories allowing sub par stories who are not factual to run in the first place.
Screw the media
All I can say is wow.
Really no Pennington? Penny has a career qb rating of 90.6
The only guys in the league with a better rating?
Brady, Manning, and Rivers.
3. Yeah 3 guys. And Brady’s is just slightly better. I can’t believe it. I just can’t. I can honestly say I wouldve been slightly shocked even if he was still with the Jets. A snub is a snub. Are you really gonna tell me that Penny isn’t better than:
-Ryan (a recent rookie)
-Schaub (who can’t finish a season)
-Garrard (who’s been nothing but a disappointment)
-E. Manning (career qb rating of 78)
-Hassleback (way past his prime)
-Cassel (seriously, MATT CASSEL? The same guy who everyone says was the sole reason the patsies didn’t win the division again?)
And these are just a few. Gosh I was pissed when I saw this. I can’t stress it enough. The only good thing about this is that now I know Im officially have no respect for that network’s nfl divison and as great as they are, there’s nothing Clayton or Mortenson can do to change that.
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BTW you know that episode of South Park?
Where Kyle and Stan struggle because they saw Indie get “raped” by Lucas and Speilberg because the new movie was so bad?
Pretty much sums up how I feel right now.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, Matt Cassel.
The guy who, in his first season of starts, led The Patriots to an 11-5 record. Matt Cassel is going places whether you want to believe it or not.
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First off
That has nothing to do with it. This isn’t a list of people with “potential”. Its a list of performers. Cassel’s stats don’t support him being a performer when prior to last season he was a career bench warmer.
And no he won’t actually. The chiefs are an awful team and Cassel only did well because of the pats system. Why else has Belicheck not signed a veteran to backup the now much more injury susceptible Tom Brady? You really think O’connel is a “great” qb waiting to happen? No he isn’t but he would probably play well if he had to because of the pats system.
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So Drew Bledsoe was only a good QB because of The Pats system?
That makes no sense. Brady performed better than Drew Bledsoe, a proven elite quarterback.
Yes, a good team will make a QB look much better, but Cassell still had great numbers for a QB. Did you ever think, just for a moment, that maybe Belichick actually learned how to spot a diamond in the rough like his mentor BILL PARCELLS?
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I would rather have ryan on my team than pennington...
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LOL at ur 2 pics..
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I just found it funny you posted these pics.. I yelled out “KAHHHHHHHNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!” (in my head of course) when I saw the 1st one b4 I read your comment under it! lol
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Once again a reason to be on Twitter...
Mort alone makes it worth it….
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Pennington is not on list of best quarterbacks
E.S.P.N. is heading into a downward spiral and it’s their own doing. Why do they employ all these ex football players, only to not involve them in the evaluation process of the current and or former nfl players? They ask their opinions on talk shows all day long and don’t ask them for help in formulating a list as simple as this? And to see a few of these names is downright scary. Trent Edwards? Cmon man!!!
Matt Cassel is much better than everyone gives him credit for.
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I would really like to see some evidence for this
Not because I think youre wrong and stupid for saying that, I just like to debate
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Your first name aint Billy, is it?
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by uncle finster on Jul 17, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
heh heh heh heh heh
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Yes It's Ridiculous Chad's not on there, however....
Y’all should know why, considering every game Miami played last year had announcers and color guys, and that in every game at least once was said…
Chad Pennington had meant so much to the Dolphins…You don’t need a GREAT ARM to win in this league…
That’s it folks! They don’t respect or like Chad P BECAUSE of his “lack” or arm strength. PERIOD! Orton, Girard, Delhomme, and any other mediocre QB you can think of that’s on the list is on the list precisely because they have “decent” arm strength. Simply put, ESPN and the rest will forever rap Pennington’s abilities because of his “noodle arm.” We’ll just have to get over it, as stupid as it is. Even winning the SB…heck, even going undefeated!…won’t matter to these idiots.
you are exactly right
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
or is Matty actually Lambo_Weezy
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 17, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Schefter probably didn’t answer you because he often says on twitter that he is unemployed… so im guessing he doesn’t work for ESPN anymore…
“@michaelstrahan..You’re talking to a guy who is out of work, my friend. No work. But I’m always here for anything you need, you know that.”
2:12 PM Jul 13th from web in reply to michaelstrahan
So lame...he just threw away his career right there...
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nah
he’ll be fine…he still has his tremendous sources and is a good guy. And he’ll be making much more money, I’m sure.
Schefter is the best info guy in the business
no offense Mort you’re up there too
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Our 3rd string QB > Trent Edwards
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by BSerious72 on Jul 18, 2009 8:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
my 75 yr grandfather that has never seen a football game > Trent Edwards
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jul 19, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
my 3 yr old cousin who is a girl > Trent Edwards
Laces out!
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half cooked spagetthi with rotten sauce > trent edwards
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lol
naw she is safe till 5 after that all bets are off ;op
common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.
CHAD
HE77 HE SHOULD HAVE WON MVP HANDS DOWN AND YET LOOK WHERE THAT GOT US DOLFANS??!! MIAMI IF WE WANT RESPECT ITS ABOUT TIME WE GO OUT THERE AND TAKE IT TO THE HOUSE THIS YR AND HAVE HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE IN THE SB, F/U N/E!!
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