With that said, everybody needs to think for a second about what Michael Vick did. It’s not the dogfighting per se that bothers me. That’s bad, but I wouldn’t feel as strongly “anti-Vick” as I am now if that was all he did. But what he did to the dogs for which he had no use for is truly disturbing – things like electrocuting them, drowning them, hanging them, and slamming their bodies to the ground multiple times until they died.

honestly thats just scumbaggish

But what he did to the dogs for which he had no use for is truly disturbing – things like electrocuting them, drowning them, hanging them, and slamming their bodies to the ground multiple times until they died.

It takes a very sick, twisted, and disgusting human being to do what Michael Vick did.

You see, what you said right there, in the studies of criminal justice this behavior is the most disturbing because it is 99% the prelude for more henious types of crime. People who do these kinds of things to animals usually graduate to the human populace to do their ungodly acts on them.

If someone were to delve into his past, they’ll find this wasn’t the first time this type of behavior has been displayed. Society has curtailed his behavior this time… but he’ll display again… and it could be worse next time.

u have removed all doubt from my mind…
vick can and will go to hell

thanx Nancy

and when i heard about what michael vick did, i immediately started thinking of ways to kill him…
second i do think that perhaps some team will sign him (hopefully NOT the Dolphins) and that team will face HUGE resistance to the signing, whether it be from their fans who also love dogs, dog lovers in general, and of course PETA…
third, i am not so sure the commish will ever reinstate him
fourth, Denny Green is a dumb f—k

that is all

I’ll start by saying that I have no interest in seeing Vick come to Miami.

With that out of the way, I’d like to talk about Vick’s reinstatement. It’s understandable that many still harbor intense resentment toward Vick for the crimes he committed. As a dog owner myself, I shudder to think of someone doing something like that to my pets. However we may feel about the length of his sentence, he has paid his debts to society, and served the time that was imposed upon him. I thought that Goodell handled the pre-trial issues commendably, he reserved placing any NFL sanctions on Vick until the justice system ran its course. He’s done the same with cases like Stallworth’s.

Personally, I think with all things considered, Vick, and as an extension, Stallworth and Burress, should all be reinstated into the NFL once they have completed any and all sentences. I understand that playing in the NFL is a privilege, and not a right. I am aware that it is eventually Goodell’s decision to allow whether or not someone is allowed to play. However, much in the way that Goodell reserves his judgment before the legal matters are resolved, lest he be seen as judge, jury and executioner; he should also reinstate these players after the legal sanctions are fulfilled, otherwise his judgments are akin to double jeopardy.

Simply put, after the debts to society have been paid, let them back into the fold. From that point, it’s the owner’s decision as to whether or not they wish to bring that player into their organization.

Someone will sign him because of his talent and the talent he still could have I really cant see how an owner could come to terms and actually think of doing this. I would rather go 0-16 like the lions than have Vick on my team. Plus we as people love to give second chances (no i’m not defending vick) I’m just saying that someone will look past what he has done and give him another chance whether we think he deserves it or not

I think the most frustrating argument when it comes to talking about athletes or celebrities is that of the “They are our children’s role models” school of thought. Athletes are given large amounts of money at a young age, and quite predictably get themselves into trouble. Those looking to get a competitive edge turn to performance enhancing drugs. The invincibility that comes from celebrity and wealth create situations like this.

The most important figures in a child’s life should be their parents. My parents worked their rear ends off to support my siblings and I when I was young. That’s the qualities that children should be learning. Nothing frustrates me greater than to see parents of children (especially affluent ones) using television and school systems as a substitute for parenting.

if Marcus Vick ever took part in this organized “crime” and if the media would ever go as far as to find ways for us to receive PR backlash for the mere fact that we employed him. Granted, we obviously couldn’t have known if that were the case, but let’s be serious. This is the media we’re talking about. They can and will take anything and turn it on you in the blink of an eye.

Now, before I respond I want to be clear: I’m not defending Michael Vick. But I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt (how slim that might be). So here come my two cents.

Let’s not forget that his associates squealed on him. How much was thrown on his head for the sake of saving’s one’s skin? Let’s not forget he was convicted based on testimony from people as dirty, if not dirtier, than Vick. It’s true, it takes a sick person to do what he allegedly did to those dogs, but who’s to say it wasn’t his business partners that did it and then dumped it on Vick? That being said, Vick was still an idiot for having a business relationship with these people, and if he DID do those things, he should be locked up and the key thrown away.

Which brings me to my second point: whether or not Vick should be reinstated into the NFL depends on his actions mentioned above. If he was a peripheral associate to the dealings and monstrosities that happened at that house and he just happened to be the high-profile athlete that got all the blame, then he deserves the right to serve his time, be “rehabilitated” and resume making a life out of the shambles that he has left. HOWEVER, if he did actively murder those dogs in the manner described, then NO, NO WAY. The type of person to kill ANY animal in that manner is showing one of the signs of being a serial killer later in their life. Those types of people have to be treated and always under watch for the good of society.

But just what do we believe? That’s the main problem that I have. People lie, and when faced with their skin on the lie, they will lie their asses off. And you can’t really trust the media with something this sensational and juicy. They will spin it every which way, especially if you’re Nancy Grace (I hate that bitch). So who or what do you believe? My opinion: he got a raw deal. He got caught financially supporting dog fighting (idiot) and associating with the low-lives who ran his dog fighting “business” (moron) and he even attended the fights themselves (come pinga!.. loosely translated, that means “idiot” in Spanish). All that in itself is bad enough, and when they all got caught, they all pointed the finger at Vick. How irresistible was that for the attorney general? But I WANT to believe his associates were the ones who killed those dogs in those manners, and just pinned it on him. That’s just actions where there should be prior history of violence on animals. I don’t think Vick had any history of that, and we know NOTHING about his associates, except that they were low lives. But who really knows?

Anyway, that was my two cents… more like three and a half. And I’m also saying NO to Vick to the Phins. I never thought he was as talented as the media portrayed him to be.

Last year they went with some over the hill guy who should have stayed in his rocking chair on the porch in Mississippi.

This year they have the GQ rookie who will have to face Jason Taylor, Joey Porter, Cameron Wake, Vonte Davis, et al TWO times.

But seriously. The difference between Vick and Donte is night & day. I have a measure of respect for Donte because he stopped and called 911 and waited for the police to arrive. Vick helped brutally kill dogs. I do not think 30 days and several million $ was a proper sentence for Donte, but I am not the Judge.

I drove drunk most every night for 10 years and now have been sober for 27 years. I would stand up and be Donte’s sponsor in AA, because he stood up and did the right things, rather than running and saying someone else was driving later.

What Donte did was plain stupid, what Vick did was evil.

There’s no fact behind it or rhyme or reason for him making such a suggestion. In fact, decision making of that calibur is probably why he’s an analyst and no longer a head coach. I laugh at guys like Greg Cote too, who says “I wish” at such a suggestion. Seriously, why would you wish that? Pat White is raw, but he has far more upside, and his presence alone should keep the “Vick running Miami’s Wildcat” pronouncements at bay. Vick to Miami is a dumb prediction and it would be a desperation move Miami does not need to make. We have a future…Vick has the Raiders.
How many championships has Vick won? Sheesh…he sucked as a QB before he went to jail….and Matty, i’m glad to hear someone else say it – he paid for his crime and all, but it’s the measured and intentional cruelty that he displayed that bothers me. Not to mention the fact that he showed no believable remorse, AND he lied to his team and owner.
Please Goodell, suspend him so we can get past the Vick speculation already.

He did something terrible. He served his time. Now let’s move on. I don’t think having done what he did should preclude him from playing for any team.

I don’t think he should be a Dolphin, but that has nothing to do with his conviction. He shouldn’t be a Dolphin solely because Pat White is a younger version of him who actually was able to play the past two years. We don’t need to waste a roster spot on an older player with the same skill set.

Let me preface this by saying I am not a Vick fan and I agree that he was over rated. This post will get more into a philisophical realm than most. That being said what Vick did was heinous and he will have to live with it for the rest of his life. However, my question is this How many of us have intentionally killed insects for whatever reason? Or Mice in non humane traps. Anyone here a Hunter/Fisher? Ya Vick tortured the animals but can we not also see that shooting an animal unless you get a clean headshot would also be torture. Or killing a fly with fly paper or bugs with posion. Dead=Dead and to assign more value because the animal killed was a dog doesn’t sit well with me. If we are going to bash someone for killing animals I would expect that we all hold to the high standards that all Animal life is equal. Therefore those of us who condemn him should be blame free and have no animal blood on our hands. Life is Life and In my opinion you can’t make the case that what he did is any worse than what sport hunters, pest control people, or even what we are responsible for when we eat that burger/braut. I know many of you are thinking that ya but these animals are killed in a humane way. If you use this defense I challenge you to go to a slaughter house and watch how the pigs/ cows, chickens etc are killed. (this is done on a massive conveyor belt that moves them down a line and a bolt punches through there head killing them). Also if you ever read/seen the descriptions for a partial birth abortion those “doctors” put Michael Vick to shame with their deeds. I know this post will probably very unpopular but to pick a side you MUST really understand what u stand for. As more my Dolphins No I don’t want Vick on our team, But its because I don’t think he would bring any value. Pat White is a younger Vick with way more upside.

Nothing would ever make me not a Miami Dolphins fan, but the down when he was on the field I would not be rooting for them. As a animal lover & vegetarian Michael Vick is the type of person I hate the most. He’s complete scum and I generally think of myself as a caring and loving person, I’d probably jump in front of a bullet for a stranger or run out in the street to save a turtle, but I would simply let him die (granted I would never myself, cause him any harm). He is all that is wrong in the world, and as you said Matty, we watch sports to escape the outside world and relax (or tense up depending how close the game is) for those few hours every weekend. Football season is all I look forward to all year, even the most boring football game, is, to me, more exciting than the most exciting basketball game. If Goodell is considering indefinitely suspending Plax for carrying a loaded gun, then the Vick issue should be open and shut. He received a very light sentence, because he’s a celebrity and they all get passes, and only apologized for his heinous crimes against humanity (we all share this Earth, Humans and animals alike) is because he had to. He’s complete garbage and his actions are irreversible. Hang yourself, lick a light socket and then let Michael Clark Duncan slam you on the ground a few times, Mike Vick, then maybe we can call things “even.”

We dont need him….but he should be able to play. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.

“Crime against humanity”… There is a huge difference between crime against a human being and a crime against animals! Granted God created animals for us to care for and Vick obviously didn’t do that! But wishing death on him is too far! Aren’t you glad God doesn’t deal with you how you wish Vick would be dealt with!

… how the “2nd chancers,” and “other people do crime but don’t pay”, and “he’s paid his debt” folks would feel if Michael Vick started “hangin” with your moms, sisters, daughters, and pets….

… how close would you want him to you..??

“hang yourself…lick a light socket…michael Clark Duncun slam him on the ground” those would most likely cause death! Agreed with the garden of Eden senerio, but in you logic vick deserves to die because of killing animals… So people who accidentaly hit animals with their car should be tried for vehicular animalslaughter! If another human accidentaly hits another human while driving that’s how our law handles it…

Animals have no moral compass or eternal state! (that we know of)

To many personal opinions to argue with. But simply said I would like to see Vick play in the NFL but not for the Fins. I’d like seeing him play in the UFL for a matter of fact.

Vick deserves what he got probably more! Just not death!! He deserves forgivness like all of us NEED!!!

Stallworth was just irresponsible and is getting a month in prison, 2 years house arrest, and a wrongful death civil suit. I don’t see that as evidence of a broken system. I think the punishment fit the crime.

Considering Vick’s crimes all took place on his property, house arrest wasn’t really a fit punishment. The thing is, if someone can do that kind of shit to a dog, then they can do it to a person just as easily. Torturing animals is the first sign of a serial killer, no? I know this isn’t what you wanted the thread to really turn into, but I think it is safe to say that Vick’s crime was far worse than Stallworth.

Keep that SOB off this team.

But you claim animals and humans are the same! So if someone accidently kills a human we put them on trial! So you want people who accidently kill animals to be tried to see if it was truly accidental!

It was a claim that animals and humans are the same! I claiming they aren’t! Therefore Michael vick should’nt die!

I really don’t care what people do in their personal lives. There are players who have done much worse TO PEOPLE that are still allowed to play. I don’t agree with Michael Vick killing dogs, but I don’t care. He’s a great football player and the NFL owes it to us to put the best possible PRODUCT on the field. Every year it gets more expensive to attend games, watch games, root for your favorite teams, etc… It costs almost 40 dollars to get an officially licensed t-shirt. If the NFL is going to gouge us in every way imaginable they damn well better put the best possible product they can out on the field every Sunday. And with the advent of the Wildcat that best product now involves Vick. I’m not paying for the NFL’s brand of philanthropy, nor do I care about their morality or any of that other BS, I want to be entertained. I don’t ever want to see him in aqua and orange, but I do want to see him in the NFL and I think after going to prison in the prime of his career he’s done his crime. You can’t force someone to feel remorse, you can’t make someone see the world like you, the legal system in this country meted out what it deemed to be an appropriate punishment. Let’s let it go.

I dont wont Vick on the Dolphins, i just dont think he should be called scum and wished to be dead!

for those saying playing in the nfl is a privilege,

well i believe alot of players would beg the differ. i guarantee alot of players see it as a job that will use you up and spit you out when tyou are not needed. look at all the health problems facing alot of older players today. look at the team doctors and trainers that only care about getting players back on the field as soon as possible(yatil green anyone?)

its easy for us to sit back and say how someone should feel about their jobs but that’s not for us to say.

for those saying they would lose their job,

not everyone gets convicted of dui or other crimes automatically gets fired. i bet if you were bringing in millions of dollars to your company they would allow some trangressions. its just a matter of an employer deciding your worth. like a risk reward situation.

but all that being said, i wouldnt want him on the dolphins because i dont think he was all that good he was a good scrambling qb but i think he relied too much on his athleticism and did not apply himself fully to being a great qb.

“Thou shall not kill”

and honestly the brutality that you need to do something like this to anyone or anything …

makes you scum. so thus. you are not deserving of anything.

Like torturing animals!

you seemed to be placing more value on animal life than human live. i pray all the time for forgiveness for my sins, i would be a hypocrite not to be able to offer that forgiveness to others!!!

Do you understand the importance of signing Mike Vick with the Dolphins

Pat and Mike together in the Wildcat, IMO Pat at QB Mike at HB as the option both

as a tandem throwing to one another or doing Laterals so many things.

My closing statement is simple OAK VS. BAL Troy Smith threw to Joe Flacco for 60 yards

twice also everyone deserves a 2nd chance look at the highlights he ran 10+ yds every time and threw 50+

Except one big difference those are human lives you are talking about! In that situation involving humans, no second chance! He should get banned for life from owning a dog! Not labled as a horrible person who can never live this down!

agreed! Doesnt deserve a second chance disagree!!

people in here are angry and don’t feel any need to extend grace!!

if he is reinstated he should be required to play for Cleveland and score in the end zone containing the “dog pound”

so we can extend some forgivness!