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Around The AFC East: New England Patriots

Continuing on with this week's edition of ATAFCE, we welcome in "MaPatsFan" from Pats Pulpit, as we turn our attention on Tom Brady and the Patriots.

Matty I: Everyone in the media seems to be on the "Patriots bandwagon" because Tom Brady looks healthy right now playing in shorts and participating in non-contact OTAs. But I think back to when Daunte Culpepper was coming off of the same injury and how great he looked in training camp and even the preseason before his sub-par play once the regular season began. Are any Patriot fans taking caution with their optimism for 2009 in regards to Brady's health? From where I sit, it seems like everyone is just obsessing over the return of "the savior" and forgetting about the risks involved when Brady gets into live game action. So what's the general feeling in New England? Is everyone just expecting Brady to return to his former self?

MaPatsFan: Most Patriots fans are sick and tired of all the hype, pomp, and circumstance.  Sure, there's reason to cheer, but that was one heck of an injury.  The pessimist in me says this is a carefully "orchestrated" media campaign proclaiming "His Terrific-ness" healed, but a bit rusty.  He's been tossing a ball on the beach with his orthopedic surgeon, who says he's recovering twice as fast as anyone he's seen, or working on routes with Moss and Welker (who say he looks great, mind you).  It's sickeningly sweet, in my opinion.  I can only imagine how a rival fan would feel. ;-)

Most of the NE fans I've talked with are "cautiously optimistic".  We're not buying into the hype one bit.  I'll admit I enjoy seeing him back on the field and throwing footballs around but I, in no way, am disillusioned enough to think he's ready until I see him at full tilt, full pads, with tight ends bearing down on him (Jason Taylor anyone :-( ).  Physically, he has said he's a bit rusty, but not because of his knee.  He explains the rustiness as not being on the field for so long.  I buy that explanation.  If you stop doing something for a long period of time, naturally you'll atrophy a bit.  That can be fixed.  However, my big concern is the subconscious "protection" he may engage in to protect his knee.  When a defender's coming at him, will he unknowingly turn a certain way or lose concentration?  Who knows.  It's a all about a live game situation.  That's when I'll make a determination.

My Take: Yes, folks, there are logical Patriot fans in this country.  I know it's hard to believe, but "PatsFan" just proved it above.  The truth is - until he gets in live game action against other teams whose defenders want to knock the crap out of Brady, we simply won't know how close he is to being his former self.

Be sure to head over to PP to read some discussion on the classic Dolphins/Patriots rivalry.

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How great would it be...

if Brady’s first season back makes him look like Daunte Culpepper in his disaster attempt to be a Dolphin’s QB? Personally, I think it Brady has all day to throw like he has had in the past, he’ll look like the same Brady. However, if teams can put pressure on him like they did in the Super Bowl two years ago, I think Culpepper’s year in Miami will look like a Pro Bowl type season.

I guess the first time he has to scramble away from an OLB blitzing, we’ll all find out.

by Cokes_03 on Jun 5, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no, no, no...

you must mean “AWFUL”

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jun 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although I don't think anyone here wishes serious injury to a rival player...

… it would feel “exciting” and a “pleasure” to see exactly that (especially a Miami OLB).

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see how Daunte Culpepper

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Culpepper's knee injury is relevant.

Culpepper built his career on being a mobile QB. Brady has never been. Culpepper destroyed all three ligaments in his knee. Brady only had one replaced, right? I just see one similarity in that they are both knee injuries but they were much different in the details.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 5, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ACL and MCL were torn

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by MaPatsFan on Jun 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pats fan slapping a Bills fan in a Phins blog.........

very rae.

go get your shine box Mr.Warren

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady only had one replaced, right?

looks like MRW just had a question answered – no need for shine box (whatever that means)

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by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was wrong....

dont make a whole arguement if u dont know wtf ur talking about.

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 5, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow – I didn’t at all take it that way – he asked a question – clearly as evidence by the f**** question mark.

dont make a whole arguement if u dont know wtf ur talking about.

and to you…..

Everyone has a photographic memory… some just don’t have film

by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SCOREBOARD NANCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

go toronto bills

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the point of Culpepper being brought up...

….was simply that most reports indicated he was ahead of schedule and looked very good in practice….

and then, as it turned out, he wasn’t ahead of schedule. In fact, he probably rushed himself back too quickly.

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by Matty I on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point for bringing in Culpepper..

was to show what a patchwork offensive line can do to a QB. He was thought to be ahead of schedule of the rehab, clearly he wasn’t, and when he was pressured by the defense, he basically crumbled. (Not implying the O-Line for the Patiots is patchwork, before that argument comes up)

Like I said, if teams can put pressure on Brady like the Giants did in the Super Bowl, you’re sadly going to be wishing Matt Cassell was still with your team. If his knee isn’t fully healed, he won’t even be able to step up in the pocket with effectiveness. Just saying…

by Cokes_03 on Jun 5, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when do Tight ends rush the QB?
We’re not buying into the hype one bit. I’ll admit I enjoy seeing him back on the field and throwing footballs around but I, in no way, am disillusioned enough to think he’s ready until I see him at full tilt, full pads, with tight ends bearing down on him (Jason Taylor anyone :-(

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Epic 09' Predictions - JT comeback player of yr / Ronnie Brown 1500 yards
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Driver of the Trade Dan "Automatic Out, E-4" Uggla

by Rzayo24 on Jun 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well me to – but come on guys – deductive reasoning/common sense

Everyone has a photographic memory… some just don’t have film

by J2 on Jun 5, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Living in New England I have never come across a Pat Fan like this or that he describes. They are all wide eyed over Tommy and his Golden Poop. I have nothing against Brady, besides him being a Pat. What I do hate are the Patriot fans and their arrogance and thought process that Belacheat can’t do anything wrong… its sickening. A big part of Culpeppers game was his mobility, and that was taken away after the knee injury and is a reason for his decline. Brady does not rely on his mobility and althought I do not wish an injury on anyone, I hope he takes a long time to mentally get over standing in the pocket taking a hit, or stepping up to flying defenders.

I can not stand Pats Fans… although this one seems reasonable. Wonder his true thoughts on Spy Gate!

The Patriots Suck

by k2oconnor on Jun 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true for the most part they think Belichick is god and can do nothing wrong.

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I take the leash that's leading me
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by Patssuck456 on Jun 5, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a huge BB fan, but no one (or no Pats' fan I know) thinks he's infallable

His system works. It’s not perfect, but it earns wins more often than losses. Belichick is the first to admit it at the podium when his coaching mistakes have cost the team a game, and he’s right – sometimes they have. But when you have a coach that’s won your team 3 super bowls, it’s only logical that fans would give the guy the benefit of the doubt most of the time. That’s just realizing that maybe the coach knows a bit more about what he’s doing than I do. That’s not ‘god’ worshipping, that’s just being smart.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Jun 5, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh - he knows a bit more alright.

But filming signals can do that, right?

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by Matty I on Jun 5, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh oh...

The whole camera thing. I’d love to respond, but it would totally hijack this thread. I’d be happy to do a writeup in another ATAFCE dedicated to that if Matty I is so inclined. Or, if a separate story/debate is warranted, that’d be cool as well.

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by MaPatsFan on Jun 5, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Thanks for not getting into that now. But, seeing as how it was brought up by a Dolphins fan, feel free to do a fanpost about it to share your side of the story whenever you get some time.

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by Matty I on Jun 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady will be the....

same slow guy he’s always been. Mobility and running out of the pocket have never been stapes of his game and I think that’s obvious to anyone who has been paying attention.

The guy has a good feel for the pocket and takes those little steps to buy himself time.

The key to beating them is the same formula we’ve used in the past….lots of pressure on Brady + jamming Randy Moss at the line. If JT can make like it is 2006 again and our rookie CB’s step up, then we can do it.

by Natalya on Jun 5, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What A Knowledgeable Pats Fan...

Hmmm, and I quote “I, in no way, am disillusioned enough to think he’s ready until I see him at full tilt, full pads, with tight ends bearing down on him (Jason Taylor anyone :-( ).”

Yeah… I can’t wait to see our future Hall of Fame, Pro Bowl “Tight End” J.T. bearing down on him either.

What and idiot.

by Qtis on Jun 5, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL........ agreed!

Everyone knows what you mean…. it’s just fun and obligatory, to jab at the expense of mis-writing.

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Proooph reedeng is not won of mi skilz

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by MaPatsFan on Jun 5, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta Bust a Patty's Chops Man.

Apparently not one of mine either.

“What and idiot.” ; )

by Qtis on Jun 5, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what the hell is Qtis.. ?

… some kind of Star Trek name?

… or a forgotten “p” in the word = Qtips?

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long story, not appropriate for this forum.

Don’t be jealous because you’re not the Qtis one in here man. ; )

by Qtis on Jun 5, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got it. LOL

I’d love to hear the story man… sounds tough.

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Lets say it involves Wayhayhayhaaay too much alcohol, a well timed kicking down of a door and slap on the a$$ while yelling Qtis by a good friend of mine while I was getting down with my GF for the first time! Ahhh the memories! : o

by Qtis on Jun 5, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jumbo Shrimp...

Freezer Burn…

Military Intelligence…

Logical Patriot Fan…

ALL Oxymorons.. !!

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by Alpha6 on Jun 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here Here,

I second that.

by Qtis on Jun 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh,

some of you people are so dense. Culpepper’s career was finished the day Randy Moss was traded. His 77 passer rating with a pathetic Miami team had nothing to do with his leg. What did you expect him to do with that bunch, break 100?

Hell, Brady will mop up the floor with this parity diseased league.

by BabeParilli on Jun 10, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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