Ted Ginn on the cusp of breaking out?
Since being the 9th overall pick back in 2007, the subject of Ted Ginn has sparked some heated debate among Dolphin fans. Some see him as a guy who still possesses unlimited potential once he matures while others just view him as yet another "Cam Cameron mistake."
While others may judge Ginn based on his lofty draft status, I will not. Those people will tell me that Ginn has been a bust because he was picked in the top 10 of the draft and is yet to produce like a top 10 pick. But holding Ginn's draft status against him is unfair. It's not Teddy's fault that the previous Dolphins regime had Ginn a bit too high on their draft board.
But that isn't the point here. In fact, I'm here to highlight the fact that while Teddy is yet to produce like a top draft pick or a true #1receiver, he still could become one. Ginn is only entering his 3rd NFL season - the season in which young wide receivers tend to break out and flourish. Last year, Ginn didn't have outstanding numbers. But they also weren't terrible, either. Yes, Ginn only caught two touchdowns. But those two touchdown grabs were huge plays. The first one saw Teddy smothered by two Seahawk defenders but still somehow able to make the grab and keep his feet in bounds in the back ofthe endzone. The second one sparked the Dolphins division clinching win at the Meadowlands in week 17 against the Jets - a remarkable catch by Ginn, if you ask me - leaping high into the air to make the grab.
Even so, just two touchdowns receptions is a bit low. But when you weigh his second-year numbers with the second-year numbers of some of the game's top wide receivers, you'd see that Ginn is really on par with where he should be entering his third career season.
| Player | Rec | Yds | TDs | Trgts | Success % |
| Ted Ginn | 56 | 790 | 2 | 93 | 60.2% |
| Roddy White | 30 | 506 | 0 | 64 | 46.9% |
| Reggie Wayne | 49 | 716 | 4 | 72 | 68.1% |
| Terrell Owens | 60 | 936 | 8 | 103 | 58.3% |
| Braylon Edwards | 61 | 884 | 6 | 124 | 49.2% |
| Hines Ward | 61 | 638 | 7 | 102 | 59.8% |
| Greg Jennings | 53 | 920 | 12 | 84 | 63.1% |
| Steve Smith | 54 | 872 | 3 | 97 | 55.7% |
| Laveranues Coles | 59 | 868 | 7 | 103 | 57.3% |
What stands out here is how similar Ginn's numbers are to some of the game's top receivers. The two big differences I see are touchdowns and big plays. Guys like Smith, Jennings,and Coles had fewer catches but more yards. But let's be fair and point out that Ginn isn't exactly playing with a strong-armed quarterback who can get him the ball down field. However, Ginn doesn't exactly turn short passes into big gains like a Steve Smith type of receiver would.
With all that said, this year is the year Ginn has to prove himself. All those players above outside of Hines Ward and Reggie Wayne went over 1,000 yards receiving in their third NFL season. For Teddy, I wouldn't say the 1,000 yard mark is the key number for him - because there are a number of factors that could limit Ginn's yardage total. But he has to show marked improvement. He has to claim that role as Chad Pennington's "go-to" guy in key spots such as 3rd down. He needs to show improved awareness on the field; better route running is a must as well. Ginn needs to play as fast as he can sprint. Frankly, Ted must prove he is a true #1 receiver.
While I said in the past that I don't think the Dolphins need a true #1 receiver, Tony Sparano said differently on Tuesday. And who am I to argue with the big guy? Said Sparano:
"It's important to me to have a clear No. 1 receiver...I'd like to find a clear No. 1 guy that I'm comfortable with and Chad [Pennington] is comfortable with that can come up with the big play."
Can Teddy be that guy? I'd say he is probably the only guy on the roster with all the physical tools needed to be a #1 receiver. And we got to hear some encouraging words from Sparano about Ginn's development:
"Ted Ginn right now, if you said to me, 'Tell the me the player that in the seven or eight practices we've had has impressed you the most,' Ted Ginn is in the top two right now. The way he's handling himself out there and the way the offense has started to slow down for him that way. I've seen him in some situations be pretty dominant...I've been impressed with what Ted Ginn has done."
Don't adjust your computer screens - you read that right. Sparano used the word "dominant" to describe Ted Ginn. More importantly, Ginn has "impressed" Tony - a man who isn't easily impressed - or, at least, he won't admit it easily.
But we shouldn't get too excited right now. After all, the players are just playing in shorts. Let's see how Teddy does once the pads go on. But right now, it's fair to be encouraged with what we are hearing. It all falls in line with how many receivers develop in this league.
Year three is known as the "breakout year" for receivers. Right now, there's no reason to think that Ted Ginn won't follow suit.
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Ted Ginn Factor
They say a WR third year is when they break out or bust. We will see whether or not Ted Ginn is here to stay with the Miami Family or he’s just another Cam Cam miss.
We saw flashes of his versatility last year running sweeps and catching amazing balls. We also saw times he disappeared.
If he can stay consistent he will be a fixture on the field for years.
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by DolfinPhan on Jun 3, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well i think he's proven that he is a good receiver
even if he repeats what he did last year he won’t be a BUST but just a decent receiver that you wouldn’t spend a number 9 pick on, there is a difference
but i really do see him contributing to the offense in big ways this year, as our number one receiver :]
by Brian5517209 on Jun 3, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on schedule
I’m perfectly happy with where Ginn is and can’t wait for the season to start. There are however two things that need to change for his game to go to the next level. The first thing is he needs to improve his yards after catch, the thing is i believe he is afraid of contact, once he gets over that I think his game will improve that much. The other thing , and this is not really his fault , is that he needs a QB who can get him the ball deep.
Did somebody order a Ginn and juice and a Henne and coke?!. Man I can’t wait to say that during the season!!….as always nice write up Matty
by Phincent on Jun 3, 2009 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like how it says 6 comments but it's really just 3
by Brian5517209 on Jun 3, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hope Ginn come to whats his potential is!!
Again, We have been bad went drafting WR, atleast as far as i can remember. Jatil Green come to mind! Even tho, i cannt compare boh cause Green didnt play(almost) with us, for been a top 10 pick, is a bust! Atleast, Ginn has done some dmg on ST returns!
I will luv to see him become a #1 WR, cause he has the potential. Forget about Penniless arm, cause he has a good arm, no more excuses. Bring it on Ginn, with your entire family!
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by Aleta on Jun 3, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good write up Matty, the best hopes to Ginn this season.
haha by the way, i was going to point out before you did :
Sparano = Matty = SLAP
just kidding lol
by MauMontaV5 on Jun 3, 2009 2:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To have a true #1 receiver
you need to have a #2 & #3 receiver so you spread the defence and create the opportunities.
If you note that the games that Ginn “disappeared” I thought he was being double teamed, effectively being marked out of the game, but that gave space & opportunities for Camarillo, Bess and our TE’s.
The main problem that Ginn had last year was that he was the main aerial threat and as such thats the way the opposition defences treated him.
Hopefully this year with the rest of the offence coming on leaps and bounds, the opposition defence won’t be able to double mark Ginn and therefore he’ll have more touches and not get creamed at point of delivery.
This year should be a break out for him.
by DickDevil on Jun 3, 2009 4:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Sparano stated that last year they would have Ginn sprint down the sideline to pull a safety. He was being utilized in such a way to open up the underneath receivers, not for him to get the ball himself. In fact, when a team constantly double teams a receiver and a team still has success passing, I think that makes a very strong case that Ted Ginn is already a clear-cut #1 in the eyes of the defense, so why not the fans?
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its simple
when Camarillo was playing he caught more passes, when he got injured, bess caught more passes.
if your gonna be a #1 WR, you have to act like a #1 WR
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY. Who would've said but you are a very wise man.
“Its simple” beautiful. Being a #1 receiver is more than stats and that crap. Well said man
by MauMontaV5 on Jun 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right,
being a #1 receiver includes things like occupying two Defensive Backs to open up the underneath ball. Think about it, if the box is stacked and Ginn always pulls a safety, there is always a TE or WR wide open. Ginn is sacrificing his stats for the benefit of the rest of the TEAM, just as Sparano and Henning asked him to do.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is because that was the only use they were able to give him.
If he had been capable of being a true #1 receiver last season, don’t you think they would rather have him catching balls (like against Buffalo) than just pulling safeties?
by MauMontaV5 on Jun 3, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop acting like a #1 ass.
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can't help it
it’s his nature. =)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. A "natural" ass.
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who let you back in the house Meg?
by MauMontaV5 on Jun 3, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last name Meg
first name Nut?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meg as in the lover of hercules
shula…(alpha rule)
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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pulling double teams AND beating them!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Shall I reference the Seattle game? :)
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was ONE catch in ONE game that I saw him do that.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I bet you pissed your pants.
It’s hard to beat two people within 20 yards, but we know Pennington doesn’t throw it past 20 all that often, nor does he do it with any “oomph”.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, that was ALL touch, and the only kind of ball CP can throw
if he had been able to chuck it, I’m quite sure Ginn could have put more distance between himself and the defenders.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple.
Ted Ginn was constantly doubled teamed so that A) Camarillo could catch more passes and B) Bess could catch more passes.
When Ginn is constantly double teamed, obviously GINN is the threat—not Camarillo, not Bess.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem giving him the MVD award(most valuable decoy)
but #1 WRs are the most productive WRs on their team, they get OPEN, they don’t just run up and down the field.
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MVD lol
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
classic
i hope ginn steps up this year, and shows that he has the heart to be “the man.”
the only reason he works as a decoy is because of his speed. he needs to turn it up a couple of notches or he’s going to fade into obscurity. i think he has the talent to be very good, i just hope that he get’s the confidence to go out an prove it.
by ncfinfan on Jun 3, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
and I love what I’m hearing about him this year, he really seems committed, I think he just might establish himself as the #1 guy:>)
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article
Beeter ideas and better said than Mando’s piece. I agree, we don’t need a big-time WR #1. Can there be one with CP taking snaps?
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by Corroncho on Jun 3, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, there can't.
And it’s a depressing fact a lot of fans willingly choose to ignore. When a weak-armed QB is under center, the only thing you can blame a receiver for is a dropped ball. Everything else lies with the QB.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are full of crap on this one. Being a #1 receiver is all about attitude talent and moreover BALLS.
It doesnt mean putting up big numbers or breaking out huge plays every game, being a number #1 receiver is being there in the clutch and those 3rd & 5 decisive moments. Last year Ginn’s problem wasn’t Pennington, but some of his mental and fundamentals problems. How come Camarillo, Bess and even Brandon freaking London always seemed to be there in the clutch, Pennington or not ?
Being a #1 receiver is the guy you can rely on in the clutch. That 3rd&10 against Kansas City for the season ? Bess went for the ball. Those 12 catches against Denver to keep alive the season? Camarillo. Then Fassano, then Martin then Ricky and then Ronnie. Ginn had only 2 touchdown all season. That is HIS problem not Pennington’s. If Sparano believes Ginn needs to step up and be that #1 receiver and i quote “FOR CHAD” I’ll take his word over yours
by MauMontaV5 on Jun 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Mau
Being a #1 receiver means more than getting double coverage. It means demanding the ball in clutch situations. It is Andre Johnson against the phins saying “throw the ball to me on 4th and 15 whether I am doubled or not, I will make the play.” It is Larry Fitzgerald saying the same thing in playoff games. Randy Moss in the corner of the endzone.
I realize those are probably the best WR’s in the game, but the attitude and play making ability is what sets them apart. All great WR’s have the make up to want the ball regardless of the coverage. They feel with the ball in their hands, big plays will happen. So far, I have not seen any of that in Ginn.
by ct1361 on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys don't have Chad Pennington throwing them the ball.
When Henne steps in, or even when White takes the Wildcate, there’s going to be some serious Ginn ownage.
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by joel311 on Jun 4, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are only 32 starting qb's in the nfl
cp is one them. no, he doesn’t have a rocket for an arm, but it is certainly more than adequate. if and or when ch or someone else takes over, we may upgrade the arm, but you lose out on experience and maturity.
by ncfinfan on Jun 3, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
and pretty much all of the elite WRs play for elite QBS.
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by joel311 on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Way!
Come on. You can’t say that and mean it! Here is a list of Elite WR’s from last year and where they ranked in the NFL for yards:
1) Andre Johnson – 115 rec / 1575 yds / 8 td’s – Matt Schaub / Sage Rosenfels
3) Steve Smith – 78 rec / 1421 yds / 6 td’s – Jake Delhome
4) Roddy White – 88 rec / 1382 yds / 7 td’s – Matt Ryan
5) Calvin Johnson – 78 rec / 1331 yds / 12 td’s – John Kitna, Dante Culpepper, Dan Orlovsky
6) Greg Jennings – 80 rec / 1292 yds / 9 td’s – Aaron Rodgers
8) Antonio Bryant – 83 rec / 1248 yds / 7 td’s – Jeff Garcia / Brian Griese
9) Wes Welker – 111 rec / 1165 yds / 3 td’s – Matt Cassel
Each of those receivers listed above are far and away better than any on the current phins roster and none of those guys are were paired with an elite QB last year (Aaron Rodgers & Matt Ryan may become elite someday, but not now). Hell most of those guys are journeyman QB’s who can’t stay on one team any longer than a couple of years and were usually brought in as back-ups.
I would also be willing to bet that most everyone on this site would rather have Pennington at QB than any on that list (again with the exception of Rodgers and Ryan), and Pennington is far from an elite QB!
by ct1361 on Jun 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another stat to compare
Of all the recieves Ginn is compared to in this article, only one is a top 10 pick… Braylon Edwards. The next highest pick was low 1st round, very low. Terrell Owens was a 3rd round pick. Hines Ward 3rd round. Coles 3rd round. Steve Smith 3rd round. I see a trend, same trend we heard before this draft from the Bill Parchells camp. You don’t pick WR’s early in the draft. 5 Players picked after Ginn in the 1st round have already made a Pro Bowl.
Don’t get me wrong I like Ginn but at #9 he was a bad pick. Trade down get more picks and they still could have got Ginn if that was a must have. I think Ginn’s value will go up if Henne takes over at QB because a deep threat because more viable with a stronger arm. In this offense you want a possesion WR.
by rtantalo on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is arguing that he shouldn't have been picked at #9.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PBP pretty much just copied your article.
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2009/06/03/ted-ginn-jr-ready-to-break-out/
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
I guess great minds really do think alike….or something like that.
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by Matty I on Jun 3, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh,
I don’t think Edgar has the right to call himself a reporter considering he never tries to interview The Dolphins FO/players/player’s agents to get a scoop—he just finds articles and writes his own interpretation. Has he ever tried to break a story? Not that I’ve seen, and I am constantly reading the PBP blog.
He’s simply a blogger much like you Matty, except he gets paid. And personally, I think you do a much better job. I honestly think he read this post first, and then he decided to write his “own” version.
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Armando wrote it up first
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Matty actually added an analysis.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a sportswriter?
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by joel311 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like an emphasis writer...
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are opinion writers and statistical writers
Armando is an opinion guy. Matty can be a bit of both.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude matty...i can be your lawyer - marino - and then we can take over pbp...then...the world..
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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i I don't know about you guys
but I am just unbelievably excited for this year
by Brian5517209 on Jun 3, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Teddy
wouldnt be on the field if this regime didnt believe he could be the #1 guy
by dlux2561 on Jun 3, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whats this? logic and reason?
n fact, I’m here to highlight the fact that while Teddy is yet to produce like a top draft pick or a true #1receiver, he still could become one. Ginn is only entering his 3rd NFL season – the season in which young wide receivers tend to break out and flourish. L
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by Patssuck456 on Jun 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't know how to judge a wide receiver....
… but how many quarterbacks did he have throwing to him the first year?
How many double-teams does he face in the course of a season?
How long does it take to develop a receiver?
And what does it matter overall… I prefer a plethora of receiving targets to a “let’s focus on one” downfield target.
But what do I know?
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
I’d would also rather have a bunch of recievers who can be a threat around the whole field than a #1 reciever that we go to all the time. I see it as if you focus on one guy more than the others, that just gives the defense someone to focus their better defenders on and double team him. If you have a wide range of recievers that you go to, then the defense has to spread out more to cover them all equally, so you will have less double teams and more man coverage, which gives everyone a better chance to be able to make a catch. Plus, if you have more recievers that you go to on a regular basis, it will keep the defense guessing as to who you’re going to throw to. Yeah, the true #1 recievers can still make catches when double teamed and whatnot, but it also increases the chances of an interception or a batted away pass.
But like you Alpha, that’s just my opinion. And I don’t claim to be a master of football knowledge, I know enough to understand the game and know what’s going on, but I don’t know much about the intricacies of it. Like I could tell you what a 3-4 defense is, but I can’t tell you why it has that setup or what each positions responsibilities are. I never played football in school (too small and chronic back problems = Fail), so I never learned that stuff. I learn a lot of that kind of info from reading the posts here, but at the same time, it makes me not want to post much since I don’t have the wealth of football knowledge most of you guys have.
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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn #1 .... NO Q's
First and foremost I would like to say to all of you that mention where he was drafted and his production doesn’t match is just plain dumb. Look at how many busts there have been over the past 10 years at WR taken in the top 15 picks, those WR didn’t even have close to the season Teddy just put up so lets be thankful that he is on track.
Now with that off my chest lets get into our offense as a whole last season and how I think that played a big part in Teddys numbers. Five key contributers to why Teddy’s nubmers should be much higher this season compared to last ….
1. Same QB and Offensive System. As a young player sometimes its very hard to move from one system to another or one QB to another, 3 QB’s rookie season and only 1 month to build with Chad before his second. Overall this isn’t a huge factor but this should allow him to feel more comfortable on the field and think less and play faster.
2. Improved Running Game – well this isn’t a forsure thing it should be IMO better this season due to the fact we have picked up a C who excels more in the run game, Ronnie Brown playing in his second season after ACL knee surgery and progression in the offense for all players.
3. Bigger, Stronger, Faster – on top of everything else I’m sure teddy has been hitting the weight room this offseason to get better breaks when a CB gets a hold of him
Put this all together and then you get what is called a breakout season .. IMO lol
by markus_13 on Jun 3, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol im picturing mach 19 just listening to "the final countdown" and maino's "all (of) the above"
lol ted ginn’s going to surprise people this year, theres no doubt about it. He has all the tools (and more) to be a perennial playmaker. If he ends up with 1050 yards and 10 td’s i wont be surprised.
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huhuh... you said "tool"
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could broaden the comparison to include some of Ginn's contemporaries....
like Calvin Johnson for instance. I still remember how the Ginn fanatics (and really there is no other word for it) argued that Ginn was just as good if not better than CJ. Hmm, CJ had over 1300 yards on an 0-16 team with virtually a tackling dummy at QB. Dwayne Bowe, another Ginn peer, managed over 1000 yards on a 2-14 team, being the chiefs. So far, both of these guys, especially CJ, are well ahead of Ginn. So let’s not hear any of the pooh-poohing about how ginn was on a bad team in ’07.
Conversely, Ginn has done better than guys like Robert Meachem, Anthony Gonzalez, and Craig Davis. Although these players went a bit later in the draft (late first round and therefater than Ginn) but the fact remains that Ginn has been more productive than all of them.
I don’t really see Ted Ginn being a 1300 yard receiver ever really. His game and his strengths are simply not diverse enough to be an every route sort of guy as compared to a guy like Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson – both of whom are threats on any route in the playbook. He can be a 900 yard solid guy though and that’s not bad at all.
by Natalya on Jun 3, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well said.
although I have never heard anyone say Ginn was as good or better than CJ…. I’m sure, if I had, I would still be laughing.
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol CJ ....if i could I would combine all the wr's we have on our roster to form a calvin johnson..then go into a game with him alone...hes just THAT good....
can we trade 2 firsts for him?…please….pretty please…epicly pleaing please…..about to cry please….
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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is the one guy that I was hoping we would actually trade up to get
even though it would have cost everything.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
be worth it though
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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the Ginn pick over Quinn
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by Neo on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to correct you but...
s/b “wanna be” in quotes.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn isn't a #1 receiver
He can be a good #2, but never a true #1. And you can’t rate a guy a true #1 based on the other receivers he plays with on his team. Just because he’s better than the guys under him, doesn’t mean he could be a #1 on other teams. A true #1 receiver could be one on any team. Ginn’s biggest problem is his lack of size, both height and weight. Physical corners dominate him at the line of scrimmage and prevent him from using his speed. Teams didn’t double team him last year, they just started pressing him. He also needs to work on his route running and reading the defense (knowing where the soft spots in the zone are). He could be one hell of a kick/punt return man if he saw the field better, waited for his blocks to create a crease, and wasn’t so damn afraid of getting hit. Look for Turner or Hartline to take the number one WR spot away from him by the end of this year or next.
by luvs2drnk on Jun 4, 2009 4:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well said
i tend to agree with about everything you said. I don’t think his height is a problem, per se, but his overall strength certainly is. Teams DID in fact start pressing him and he had a hard time getting off the line. Getting stronger in the upper body would certainly help him; playing back off the line at Flanker may help. *I talked about this more in the WR post:
(I think this may be part of Ginn’s problems when they line him up at SE. I don’t think he can effectively negate a jam and stay on his route.)
Aside of the areas of reading the D and running better routes, that you mentioned, I would always include his short speed, or burst, as something that I haven’t ever seen from him. While Bess is not big, or necessarily fast, he has that “short shuttle” type speed that makes him elusive. I have never seen Ginn be “elusive”. He can out run everyone in a foot race, but he rarely dodges or jukes a defender.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think of Ginn...
the more I see, ideally and if things go well, that he matures into a Joey Galloway type of receiver. A guy who earns his keep by running outside and deep routes with a big ypc average.
Like Galloway, he’s not going to be a big threat over the middle in traffic. Nor has he shown a propensity, as left said above, for beating press coverage.
So in short, we know what his strengths are as well as his shortcomings. If he works hard, is put in the proper system, and with good coaching, he can be a very key guy that helps open up the short routes for his fellow wideouts and scaring teams away from playing 8 in the box…
by Natalya on Jun 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galloway is a good comparison
and I’d be very happy if Ginn can become that type of player.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 4, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be thrilled as well
i hope ur right, Nat
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by Matty I on Jun 4, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know who else is wanting to "break-out"?
Mike Vick!!! BAMMM!!!
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by Rydaddy617 on Jun 4, 2009 8:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not funny.
Mike Vick is at home with his family. I’m sure he’s happy to be there.
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by AussieKen on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is. And so is this...
…. "who let the dogs out.. ?!! who, who, who who.. ?!!
Hey,……. dingo got your baby……
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by Alpha6 on Jun 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not funny either; I'm actually American, I just love Australia.
:s
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by AussieKen on Jun 4, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet
I’m making some serious plans to move there. I’m getting ready to apply for citizenship though. I have a couple different options. I’m trying to be patient and do it right.
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by AussieKen on Jun 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't understand...
how can you be so in love with a place you haven’t even visited? Should you go check it out first?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could have sent me an email to ask me this...
But, since you’re asking, my goal was not to get there to prove anything to anyone. It was a place I always wanted to visit. After many years of research I have studied and learned about the culture of the Country and the people. At this point I’m in the process of gaining my citizenship there. I have loved the Dolphins most of my life, yet I’ve never been to the offices, practice field, or lockeroom. I love Jesus even though I haven’t been to Heaven yet and I haven’t met him. I have just read and studied about him and his life.
Anyway, enough of this… Go Dolphins! :)
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by AussieKen on Jun 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well my friend...
i wasn’t intending to sound disparaging of your goals. Kudos to you for having a vision and the guts to pursue it. Also, happy to discuss anything via email, but not so with most folks, so it didn’t even occur to me to look for your email address.
I have been to Australia and I liked it a lot. They speak english (sort of), the cities are pretty westernized, so I felt at home getting around, and generally, the people were friendly. But it also was very much a part of asia in culture and proximity.
And roo tastes great medium rare! =)
But in all honesty, it still seems unusual not to visit a place first before moving there. I don’t need to visit the Fins facilities to love the team, because I watch them play the games. And I also love Jesus, but do not have the opportunity to meet him for coffee, however I would if I could.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 4, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in a sense, that’s what I’ve done. I’ve experienced it from a far and I have gotten to know the country very well. So, now I’m making plans so that when I get there, it’ll be for a while not just a few weeks. There’s a lot to it, hit me up on email kbhunt92345@yahoo.com
BTW, the language I’ve gotten down and I have vegemite in the fridge, LOL! Good onya, mate!
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by AussieKen on Jun 4, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(noted)
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by finsxfactor on Jun 4, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its misleading if your not from down under
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Date:
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by uncle finster on Jun 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike vick is an idiot...
and I’m sure he has no clue that he is!
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by Rydaddy617 on Jun 4, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah..
this was about Teddy Ginn and juice!! My bad…
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