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Around The AFC East: Ranking the running back stables

This week's edition of "Around The AFC East" is going to be a little bit different.  Instead of going around the division and talking about various team-related topics, we're all writing the exactl same post - sort of.  Each week, we will rank the four AFC East teams in various categories - and then let the debate begin.

This week, we will rank the division's running back stables from top to bottom.  My rankings are below.  But the bloggers for the other three teams also have their rankings posted on their blogs.  So make sure you head over to Buffalo Rumblings, Pats Pulpit, and Gang Green Nation to see their rankings of the division's running back committees.

MATTY'S RANKINGS OF THE AFC RUNNING BACK STABLES

1. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs

When three of the four AFC running backs to make the Pro-Bowl last season come from the same division, you know you got some horses to choose from here.  But there isn't one back in the AFC East that is more talented than Ronnie Brown.  Less than a year removed from tearing his ACL during a career year, Brown broke out against the Patriots in week three as the Dolphins introduced the 'Wildcat' to the world - running for 113 yards on 17 carries and 4 touchdowns (while throwing for another as well).  But while Ronnie's 2008 season was certainly a good one, running for over 900 yards and 10 touchdowns while averaging 4.3 yards per carry, Brown himself admits that he wasn't himself.  Said Brown a few weeks ago about a DVD highlight reel he requested the team put together that featured every snap he took in 2008, "I looked at that, and I could see I wasn't 100 percent. I just wasn't. I feel right now I'm more explosive right now in the things I'm doing."

And it wasn't just his injury that held him back in 2008.  The offensive line really took a hit when Donald Thomas went down in week one.  Justin Smiley was lost for the season as well after 12 games and center Samson Satele just wasn't a very good run-blocker.  But the line is improved now and Ronnie admits he's stronger and faster now than he's ever been - meaning he could be in store for the kind of season he was on his way to having in 2007 before the knee injury ended his year prematurely.

The bottom line with Brown, though, is that there isn't one running back in this division which you can make a case for being clearly better than Ronnie.  And there isn't one back who can do any more than Brown can do.

But Ronnie is only part of the reason why I have the Dolphins at the top of this list.  Their depth at the RB position is the main reason.  Ricky Williams, while he isn't the same Ricky as 2002, is still explosive and he showed that at times last year.  His 659 rushing yards is more than any other backup running back from the AFC East last year.  He also added 29 receptions for 219 yards through the air - and scored 5 total touchdowns.  And at the age of 32, Ricky still has plenty left in the tank.

Rounding out Miami's RB stable is the versatile Patrick Cobbs.  He doesn't have impressive numbers by any stretch of the imagination.  Cobbs only had 275 yards receiving and 88 yards rushing in 2008 (though he did average 7.3 yards per rush and 14.5 yards per catch).  But he scored 3 touchdowns and his versatility is one of the key factors to the Dolphins' 'Wildcat' success.

While the Dolphins may have finished just third in the division in rushing last season, I don't see any other backfield with as much talent from one through three as Miami has.  With improved health (and play) from the offensive line in 2009, there's no reason why the Dolphins shouldn't be the top rushing team in the AFC East this season.

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2. Buffalo Bills - Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson, Dominic Rhodes

While I think that Marshawn Lynch is overrated, that doesn't mean I don't think he's good.  He has a lot of talent - as proven by his two 1,000 yard seasons.  But in his 28 career games, he's only averaged over 4 yards per carry in 10 games.  Meanwhile, he's averaged 3.5 yards per carry or less in 10 games.  From what I've seen from Lynch in the limited times I've watched him play, he looks hesitant at times with the ball in his hands.  And his off-the-field troubles are well documented.

I do really like Fred Jackson.  He's an under-the-radar player who simply makes plays.  He had 888 yards from scrimmage last season - 10 more than Ricky Williams - and is every bit as explosive as Ricky.  He's a terrific #2 running back for any team and an excellent compliment to Lynch.

The acquisition of Dominic Rhodes will provide the Bills with a reliable veteran to act as Jackson's backup while Lynch is suspended to begin next season.

3. New York Jets - Thomas Jones, Leon Washington, Shonn Greene

I know what Jet fans are thinking: how can I have the Jets ranked so low when their top back led the AFC in rushing last year?  Well that answer is simple.  He's going to be 31 years old in August and after four consecutive 290+ carry seasons, he's not going to put the same numbers again.  After all, isn't that why the Jets traded up to take Shonn Greene in April's draft?

Leon Washington is as explosive a player as there is in this league - no doubt about that.  We Dolphin fans know first hand how talented he is.  And in other divisions, this unit probably wouldn't be ranked only third.  But top to bottom, I don't think the Jets' running backs are as physically talented as Miami's or Buffalo's.

I also believe that a big part of the Jets' success on the ground is their offensive line.  Alan Faneca and Nick Mangold are as good as any guard/center combo in the league.  And I think that a big part of New York's success on the ground last year was because of those big guys up front - as well as the threat of Brett Favre and the deep ball.  When defenses are preparing more for the passing attack, it's easier to run successfully.  It's that simple.

4. New England Patriots - Laurence Maroney, Fred Taylor, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris

I'm sure Patriot fans aren't going to be happy here.  After all, they did average 142 rushing yards per game in 2008.  But I believe that's more because of the weapons at receiver than it is because of the talent of their running backs.  When a defense has to prepare for Randy Moss and Wes Welker, it's much easier to run the ball.  And New Englans' offensive line is very good - which makes it even easier for the running backs.

The bottom line here is that we know what Sammy Morris - the Pats' leading rusher last year - is.  He's a marginal NFL running back who, in the right situation, can perform well.  But he isn't a great running back.

I do like Kevin Faulk, though.  He's basically the perfect model for a guy like Patrick Cobbs.  Some would even call Cobbs a "poor man's Faulk."  And I think Laurence Maroney should not be written off yet because he's had to battle some injuries.  I also feel like Fred Taylor still has some gas left in his tank.

But I simply wouldn't take New England's running backs over any of the three other AFC East teams.  Whoever you put as their top back isn't as good as any of the other three top backs in the division.  And while they are fairly deep, I can't say any of these backs would worry me on any other team.  But when your defense is forced to defend the pass like  they are against New England, these guys can get the job done.


So that's my list.  Agree?  Disagree?  Let's hear it.

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Seriously, Matty?

Don’t be a homer. You’re too good for that.

Ronnie Brown… one thousand yard season of four.
Marshawn Lynch… two for two

You can talk about Lynch’s game to game stats not being up there but at least over the long haul he can carry the load. Consistency is the key to me. Lynch runs hard and still plays in the vast majority of his games. Brown can’t stay on the field for 16 games.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just because he picks the home team doesn't mean he's a homer....

Being the “best” is highly subjective. In this case and all the four AFCE sites use different metrics by which they judge who the best is. Your metric is consistency, certainly a good one to judge by, and you’re right in that category Lynch probably comes out on top. Matty uses depth, versatility and talent to judge who the best is, and I think he’s correct in saying the Dolphins are the best in that regard.

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by Daren on Jun 26, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking Brown v. Lynch

I disagree that Miami has the best RB corps in the AFCE but I didn’t even mention it.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, in that case....

I’ll grant you that he Buffalo offense has been better gaining yards on the ground using Lynch over the last few years then the Dolphins have with Brown. But over the next few years (assuming Brown stays in Miami and Lynch stays in Buffalo) we’ll see who the better back is. Here’s a hint, it’s not Lynch, especially with J. Peters playing in Philly, and especially not sitting out 4 games due to his being a victim of his own dumbassness.

We shall see.

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by Daren on Jun 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lynch has a three game suspension.

Not four.

And Jason Peters was an overrated tub of nothing last year. He came into the process so late that he was awful. We upgraded the OLine as a whole. We had a big gaping hole in the center and guard and plugged in Geoff Hangartner and Eric Wood. If anything our rushing offense should improve with the line we have now. Walker, Wood, Hangartner, and Butler are all grinder types that just love leaning on people in the rushing game.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I said, "We shall see."

basically what I meant was, after this season is over there will be no doubt.

=)

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by Daren on Jun 26, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What an argument to make...

“Guys I know he’s gonna be better.” The simple truth is that Lynch has half the time in the league as Brown and has already been a better running back. Could that change this year? Absolutely. But you can’t tell me it’s certainly going to change.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a valid point, IMO.

There’s no argument that Lynch is very talented. But there is also no argument that until last year Lynch played on a better team than Brown did, with a better O-line and a better passing attack. That plays a big factor into this as well.

It’s true one can never be truly certain of anything, but I’m pretty confident that Brown will be a better RB for the Phins than Lynch will be for the Bills.

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by Daren on Jun 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if anybody has ever dexcribed the Bills as...

“A better passing attack” than anyone recently.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He said up until last year.

Can you honestly say The Dolphins had a better passing attack when they went 1-15 and 4-12?

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by joel311 on Jun 29, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying to say that...

it’s just funny to hear about it from someone else’s perspective. When talking to Bills fans who think our passing attack has been anemic since Drew Bledsoe’s first year in Buffalo.

And I know you didn’t. Your revolving QB door of suck (we use the term to describe our DEs at Rumblings) temporarily ended when you signed Pennington. I always had respect for that guy.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown stayed on the field for 16 games last year!

And Marshawn won’t be on the field for 16 games this year (because he is an idiot. Think about it: you can recover from injuries, how do you recover from stupidity?)

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by DolphDallas on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ME TO

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by dolfinfan34 on Jun 26, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOLOLOL

dolphin fan 4 life
Crowder > Ryan
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by dolfinfan34 on Jun 26, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yo cud i use the quote:

“you can recover from injuries, [but] how do you recover from stupidity?” -DolphDallas as my sig?

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't need my permission...

but you have it.
I would be honored

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by DolphDallas on Jun 27, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL at calling Matty a homer.

1) You say Brown can’t stay on the field for 16 games? LYNCH HASN’T DONE IT EITHER and is already missing 3 games next season.

2) Ronnie Brown is the better receiving back

3) Sure, Marshawn Lynch might average more yards a season but Ronnie Brown averages 4.4 a carry compared to lynchs 4.1

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by cbdolphin on Jun 27, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) But Marshawn has still consistently achieved for the Bills – despite his missed time he still has put up very good numbers.

2) Marshawn had 47 receptions last year – eight more than Ronnie Brown has ever had in a season.

3) That’s great if I want one carry I’ll take Brown. If I want a season I’ll take Lynch.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who helps the team more?

a ronnie brown (even when hurt) or a suspended marshawn lynch…
that right there is why miami should be #1— its more than just yards

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by el presidente 00 on Jun 28, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha...

you’re right. Ronnie Brown in those three games is way better than Marshawn. What about the other 13??

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the other AFC sites

Have the Pats last two, besides the Pats… hate them. This is so hard, the Jets, Bills and Fins have 1st string backs who went to the pro bowl last year. The Pats have fred taylor who went last year and the Dolphins have Ricky from years back and the Jets have Washington who made it as a special teams ace….
The AFC East is on its way back to the toughest conference in the NFL!

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by k2oconnor on Jun 26, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take the dolphins combo in the backfield

I think we are the only team capable of losing the starting RB and still have a legit chance of getting 1000 yards from our backup.

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by Phintastic on Jun 26, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree with that. I think that the Jets could get 1,000 out of Greene if Jones went down early. They have no WRs and a rookie QB, they are going to run and run and run some more.

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by sireric on Jun 26, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least that’s what they should do…

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but if they go that route

Teams will stack the box, unafraid of Sanchez’s ability to beat them in one on one pass coverage. And Shonn Greene isn’t fast enough to make those quick, Darren Sproles-like cuts to knife through a seven or eight man front.

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by ocelotfox on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that will probably be successful.

I am not afraid of Matt Sanchez.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nor should you be

Flacco and Ryan may have had great rookie QB campaigns, but I wouldn’t bank on it happening again. The Jets are putting too much faith into their relatively aging offensive line to prevent Sanchez from taking a Carr-like beating.

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by ocelotfox on Jun 26, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That O line played well last year.

At some point they will decline but I am not banking on it yet.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another thing that makes Sammie Morris ordinary...

Isn’t he the guy who failed to block Bernard Pollard on his way to taking Brady out for the season? Watch the video on the NFL.com site, week one of the Pats. Matt Light can’t be blamed for this one!

by snorky on Jun 26, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't someone blocking Pollard?

and he just kinda fell past him and got blocked into Brady. It’s not like Pollard was running free and Morris didn’t pick him up.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's tough to see...

…but I believe Morris blocked Pollard, then fell on top of him. Pollard hit Brady’s knee while trying to free himself from Morris.

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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.

Do you blame Slammin’ Sammy?

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame Kevin Faulk

He WOULD have been the blocker had he not been serving a one-game suspension for weed possession at a Lil Wayne concert last summer. Faulk’s a better blocker in my opinion and wouldn’t have let Pollard get up.

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by Marima on Jun 26, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooohhh...

good one Marima.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

I blame no one. Pollard and Morris were playing to the whistle.

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by MaPatsFan on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is going to make me a lot of friends

If I wanted a backfield for this year, and this year only, I would take the Jets RB’s over the phins. Thomas Jones is one of the most consistent / productive runners in the league and has had more success than Ronnie Brown. I love the Shonn Greene pick as a back-up and heir apparent. And Leon Washington is the change of pace / 3rd down back that the phins are lacking. I really like that combination of backs.

I would also consider the Bills RB’s over the phins for similar reasons. Lynch has been more productive than Ronnie at the top. Rhodes is an adequate back-up who is equivalent to Ricky. But Jackson is that change of pace guy that again the phins don’t have and he rounds out the back field.

With all that being said I think (if healthy) Ronnie could be the most productive RB in the AFC East this year. But if I were to base the rankings on production instead of potential, Ronnie ranks behind Jones and Lynch. Because of that, I find it hard to rank the phins combined RB’s ahead of either the Jets and the Bills. That and I wish the phins had a change of pace guy.

by ct1361 on Jun 26, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

...friends at the Jets and Bills site...

thanks for being honest (and courageous)

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by DolphDallas on Jun 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pats FTW

they may not have the best rushers but together they have the best stable
plus they have a pass attack so they are still the team to beat in the AFC
doesnt matter about the RBs if you cant compete for the SB

by Z-money12 on Jun 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't matter if you have the best stable of running backs...

go 11-5 and miss the playoffs AGAIN

doesnt matter about the RBs if you cant compete for the SB

The Dolphins can and will compete for the SB. What’s your point?

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by DolphDallas on Jun 26, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it does matter about RBs cuz thats what this post was about...

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 26, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

patriots shud no best the strength of our RBs

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jun 26, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets look at the Pats stable

They have two role players, an undrachieving youngster and a HoF worthy starter.

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 26, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet still led the division in rushing last year...

I guess they were OK last year and they got better by adding Taylor.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

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by Patssuck456 on Jul 3, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Forget...

I know this is a RB conversation but you have to add in the “Lousaka Polite” factor. How clutch is it knowing that on (3 and 1) or (4 and 1) you have a guy who converted on, correct me if I’m wrong, every (3 and 1) and (4 and 1) when he was handed the ball until the play-offs against Baltimore. He is the Big inside short yardage guy we have been missing for years. So don’t forget… be Polite!

by Qtis on Jun 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's all about the line

Hey Fins Fans,
Reading this site for a while….but it took a few division rivals for me to make my first post.
This is a hard discussion to have in isolation….how about who has the best total running game? My picks for 2009 All-AFC East all running team:
LT Long – Fins (2ns – Dbrick – Jets)
LG – Mankins – Pats (2nd (Faneca – Jets)
C – Mangold – Jets (2nd Grove – Fins)
RG – Neal – Pats (2nd – Moore – Thomas – Fins)
LT – Carey – Fins (2nd Kazur – Pats)
1RB – Brown – Fins (3rd – Maroney – Pats)
2RB – Lynch – Bills (4th Jones – Jets)
FB – Polite – Fins (2nd Richardson – Jets)

Dolphins win, Jets second, Pats third and the Bills still suck!

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said cross!!!

… and I laugh in the general direction of the Jesters, Bruffaloes, and Pasties… heh heh heh

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by Alpha6 on Jun 27, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how you put Polite ahead of Richardson.

And there is no way that Grove is that good unless you can tell me he earned magical healing powers this offseason.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man if i were you, i wouldnt worry about the run game... id worry about how to stop ted ginn

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by el presidente 00 on Jun 28, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Step 1 - don't play an injured Terrence McGee across from him.

That was the main problem last year.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's year 3 for Teddy.

A healthy McGee may not be enough.

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by joel311 on Jun 29, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was in week 14.

:-) 1 catch, 18 yards.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshawn is avareage at best for now....

… and until he get s his head straight (3 game suspension), he aint helping the team. If the team, like the fans, feel he’s that good and a major cog on the team, then (possibly) putting the team behind three games is not what I call an up-and-coming elite back.

Until then, Miami is #1.

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by Alpha6 on Jun 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is he average at best?

You make no argument other than the statement…

And the team hedged their bets by signing a proven backup in Dominic Rhodes. Now we have three RBs who can tote the rock well.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Average; as in 3.75 yards per carry in 20 of his 28 games

Marshawn is suspended for the first three games of this year and the Bills got rid of their best run blocking lineman in Jason Peters.

Peters was Buffalo’s best offensive lineman last year. He led the Bills in point-of-attack run blocking, according to analyst KC Joyner. Peters went to his second straight Pro Bowl because opposing coaches and players consider him one of the league’s best. This does not bode well to the Bills running game.

Put all these ingredients in a bowl, mix well, and bake for (3) years, and you still don’t get a good running back!

Your 1st string is our 3rd string… compares to Patrick Cobbs… Marshawn doesn’t even come close to Ricky Williams, let alone to Ronnie Brown!

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by Alpha6 on Jun 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Ricky. No way he’s better than Marshawn, though.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jun 29, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK... I was homering...

… maybe not THAT good… and Marshawn IS still young (only 23?)… so I’ll withhold opinion… till we see what he does this year…

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by Alpha6 on Jun 29, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The little smiley face-ish dude making the metal sign is sweet!

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jun 30, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters wasn’t there for three games last year, too. Plus we had one of the worst Centers in the league last year – along with you guys. So we went out and signed Geoff Hangartner from Carolina and drafted two mean guys in the draft. That equals better overall run blocking with or without Peters.

Marshawn Lynch talent-wise is as good or better than Ronnie Brown. Your argument is based around offensive lines because you know Lynch’s production has been better than Brown’s.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 30, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See... now I was with you all the way...

… until you made the statement…

Lynch’s production has been better than Brown’s.

You see, you judge by production… I judge by effectiveness. There’s a difference. Marshawn’s production is yards… Brown’s effectiveness is winning games.

Production = Making
Effectiveness = Success

Brown helps his team win… Marshawn makes himself look good. Until Marshawn gets his head straight, on and off the field, to help his team… by being there… at the games, making a play to win… I will take Brown everytime.

Would you rather have Brown for 16 games or Marshawn for 13? Like I said… I will see how Marshawn does this year to see how he’s made…. if he’s effective vs productive.

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by Alpha6 on Jun 30, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would put The Jets on top of Buffalo.

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by joel311 on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Every other team site has Miami ranked 3rd.

Gotta love that lack of respect. Can’t wait to watch Ricky, Ronnie, and Patty shove that rock deep down the AFC East’ throat.

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by joel311 on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well the Jets and Bills are three deep. The Dolphins are one deep. Even the Patriots have multiple threats in the backfield. I don’t think anyone sees Patrick Cobbs and shakes in their boots.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 28, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dolphins are one deep?

But The Bills are 3?

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by joel311 on Jun 29, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant two deep actually.

I think Ricky Williams is a heck of a back.

The Jets and Bills have three very talented runners on their roster. The Pats have two or three. The Dolphins have two.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and cobbs is just a camb body who isnt fast, cant return, cant catch, and cant tackle?

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by finsxfactor on Jun 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobbs is good. He’s equivalent to Dominic Rhodes, talent wise.

It's just a game.

by jj24 on Jun 29, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobbs is not camp fodder.

I didn’t say that. He’s just not an NFL-starting caliber RB. He definitely has value. Roscoe Parrish has value but will never be a starting WR. Every team has role players.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 30, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...

okay. I watch a lot of football coverage so I guess I was already prepped to hear about the Dolphins – and every other team out there.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rankings-Sticking up for Matty

I think we can all agree that the pats are last. Ronnie, Marshawn and Thomas Jones have shown that they can be a top 3 back in the NFL. I have had high hopes for Maroney (especially due to the fact that you can’t stack the box because they have the best aerial attack in the league) but he has refused to do prove anything.

The Bills have a duo of backs who have alot of potential. Marshawn Lynch is a good back. Period. He has 530 carries in 2 years. Ronnie Brown, meanwhile has 780 carries in 4 years. You would expect Lynch to have much better stats then. Ronnie had 10 TD’s last year compared to Lynch’s 8. Ronnie also has had more yards per carry than Lynch. Fred Jackson can be the next piece to make this the best 1,2 back in the league. But not now, not even close.

You also have to compare character issues when analyzing the backs. Marshawn has off-the-field issues, Thomas Jones has been somewhat of a cancer following the offseason while Brown has done nothing but been the face of the franchise. Obviously the only thing from holding him back has been a solid, healthy season…. one that Dolphin fans wish to see in 2009.

As much as I dislike the Jets, I will agree that they are the one team to challenge Miami in the RB category. 4 straight 1,000 yard seasons seals the deal that Jones has been the most consistent back in the AFC East. Leon Washington is a threat every time he touches the ball. Shonn Green is a rookie, who has proven NOTHING, so it’s tough to rank his performance. But his potential is there.

But Matty is not way off to put the Fins at 1 so to call him homer is not fair at all… I say they are right up there with the jets at the # one spot. You can put either team there for different reasons. Ricky Williams is a beast at #2 spot. Him and Leon Washington could be starters elsewhere but make wonderful complimentary backs. He has as many 1,000 yard seasons as Jones, and he is our #2. Patrick Cobbs may not SCARE you, but he did so many things RIGHT. He returned kicks, he had 2 beautiful TD’s against Houston and is a great blocking back. Even Ted Ginn had a pair of TD’s and averaged 14.6 yards per carry last season. Lousaka Polite had a perfect 3rd and 4th down conversions rating. So Miami, with a handful of weapons, and the highest yards per carry, i do not think was a HOMER pick. But I can see why GangGrene stuck with their team and I cannot argue with it.

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by BSerious72 on Jun 29, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has 530 carries in 2 years. Ronnie Brown, meanwhile has 780 carries in 4 years. You would expect Lynch to have much better stats then. Ronnie had 10 TD’s last year compared to Lynch’s 8. Ronnie also has had more yards per carry than Lynch.

What are you talking about? Lynch does have better stats. I’ll compare the year they both played 13 games. Lynch (2007) 280 attempts for 1115 yards and 7 TDs. Brown (2008) 214 attempts for 916 yards and 10 TDs. He had more attempts and more yards. In the last two years, Lynch’s only two in the league, Lynch has more yards, attempts, and touchdowns than Brown.

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by MattRichWarren on Jun 30, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ronnie brown

missed half of 2007…. i’d hope that lynch has better stats in those 2 years

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