Three Up and Three Down
For this week's installment of "Three Up and Three Down," I wanted to take a look at the newcomers to Miami - both free agents who were signed and players who were drafted - and talk about which three I'm most optimistic about and which three I'm least optimistic about. And please keep in mind that one of the things I considered when making this list is the investment (either in terms of money or draft status) made in each player.
THREE NEWCOMERS I'M MOST OPTIMISTIC ABOUT
1. Sean Smith, CB - If you've been reading this site all offseason, then you know that there wasn't one player I liked more in the NFL Draft than Sean Smith. Needless to say, I was thrilled when I heard his name called and he became a Miami Dolphin. And so far through OTAs and minicamps, Smith hasn't disappointed. He's impressed everyone who has watched him play down in Davie. Omar Kelly, who is the best Dolphins' beat writer in terms of thinking like a scout and knowing what scouts look at when analyzing a player, says that Smith blend of size, speed, and athleticism is something he's never seen before. In fact, Omar's exact quote from his recent Q&A was, "In all my years of covering football on the college and professional level (which is about 12 factoring in the two seasons I covered basketball) I've NEVER seen it." That says a lot about what Smith could become was he develops. He's still raw, though. Remember - Smith has only played cornerback for about two full seasons in college. Before that, he played on the offensive side of the ball. But he has the physical skills to become an ELITE cornerback.
2. Jake Grove, C - Yes, I know I was one of the ones who questioned the Dolphins' decision to sign Grove to a big contract - 5 years, $29.5 million to be exact. But it was his injury history that really bothered me. However, he has reportedly looked like a beast in the weight room. He's much, much stronger than Samson Satele and will bring that nasty streak that every great offensive lineman must play with. I've also heard that Grove looks VERY quick getting off the snap - which is essential for centers and was, at times, a little bit of an issue for Satele. The left side of the line, meaning Jake Long, Justin Smiley, and Grove at center, has a chance to be a dominant run-blocking line.
3. Patrick Turner, WR - The selection of Turner drew some criticism from "draft experts" like Mel Kiper. But all indications from offseason OTAs and minicamps are that Turner could be exactly what the Dolphins needed and were hoping to get - a big receiver with exceptional hands. Turner's hands have been described by some who have watched him work down in Davie as "vacuum cleaner hands" - meaning he catches everything that's near him. And at 6'5, it's easier for the quarterback to get the ball to him because he's the biggest target at receiver the Dolphins have had in a long time. He's also shown good route-running ability, something that was in question because of his immense size. He gets in and out of his breaks smoothly, according to most camp reports. And if that is the case, that should make up for his lack of speed and he could become the big possession receiver that this team has lacked - especially in the redzone.
THREE NEWCOMERS I'M LEAST OPTIMISTIC ABOUT
1. Eric Green - Coming over from Arizona as a free agent, you'll probably remember that I was less than thrilled about his 2 year, $6 million deal. So far, my fears have come to fruition. Every time I checked out an OTA or minicamp report, I couldn't make it through the entire thing without reading about another one of our receivers beating Green down the field for a long touchdown. And we aren't talking about Ted Ginn or Greg Camarillo here. Even Anthony Armstrong - a player with no NFL regular season experience and who is, at best, a fringe receiver right now - was beating Green deep for touchdowns. I know Armstrong has great speed and all, but a player who is fighting just to make the roster should not consistently be beating a veteran cornerback in practice day in and day out. I'll reserve total judgment on Green until the pads come on and we see him in real game situations. But I'm not holding my breath here.
2. Brian Hartline - Listen - it's not that I'm saying Hartline isn't a good receiver or won't develop into a good receiver. I just don't see a role for him in Miami's offense, that's all. To me, his play reminds me of a more physical Greg Camarillo - which isn't bad at all. It's just that we already have Greg Camarillo. And Hartline's name just didn't come up enough in those early practice reports this offseason for me to be overly excited about him. Now Hartline is also reportedly an excellent special teams player. But it's just hard for me to get pumped on spending a fourth round draft pick on a gunner and possible kick returner. Here's to hoping he proves me wrong.
3. Cameron Wake - You can probably blame all those CFL fans for Wake being on this list. I think they over-hyped Wake because of his amazing play in two seasons against inferior opponents. But Wake just has not looked impressive so far in practice. However, he is reportedly a complete monster in the weight room. So we should all cut Wake some slack until we see what he can do once the pads come on and contact is allowed. Perhaps he'll begin to stand out then. But for now, his lone highlight this offseason on the football field has been outrunning everybody on the kick coverage unit - an impressive feat for a linebacker but not a good enough reason for me to become overly optimistic about his future in Miami. And Wake's 4 year deal only included $1 million in guaranteed money - meaning he isn't necessarily a lock to make the final 53-man roster. Without a doubt, Wake will be heavily involved in that tight competition at outside linebacker once training camp begins.
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i have high hopes for PT
break that usc wr stereotype that makes everyone scared thanx to dwane jarret and mike williams
I think Hartline will make it.
The things to like about Hartline is that he seems to have the physical tools to make it, and he spent 3 years in a major college program like Ohio State. The thing is that our staff worked this guy out and drafted him in the 4th round and his stats weren’t very good at all.
When I see them interview Hartline I like his quiet confidence. He seems to KNOW that he is going to make the team. He was also admittedly behind because he was late for the minicamp.
I’m rooting for Hartline.
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I agree with ya here.
I do not understand why having another Camarillo is a “bad” thing… Matty? Camarillo was our BEST receiver last year and having another one of him on the field has to be a good thing right? Id take 2 Camarillo’s on the field before I would one Moss or one Owen’s.
by MainePhinFan on Jun 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I always liked Grove
My only concern with him would be injuries, but if he stays healthy, he is a major upgrade in the run game.
i am also optimistic about Armstrong. He looked good last year as a rookie, and it sounds like he has improved quite a bit since then.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 25, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
Hard to rate defensive players until the pads are on
We won’t know for sure what Wake is capable of until he’s got pads on and he’s using that speed and power to shed blocks from OL and RBs. Then we can see if he’s the real deal, or a product of inferior competition. I’ve got high hopes for Turner to be the next Oronde Gadsden, but hopefully a taller, faster version. Gadsden had great hands, but was as slow as a snail. As for Hartline, I see him being a project pick. They don’t need him to develop into a starter right now. They can afford to let him develop for a year, then look to have him replace Camarillo in 2010.
Great Write Up!!!!
I am very excited to see not only what this draft class proves to be, but also our free agent class. I think the consensus amongst so called “experts” is that our draft and FA class was solid but nothing special. Hopefully by tweaking things here and there, we have found the right pieces to complement an already good team. It seems like this regime put a lot of stock into fundamentals, and doing things the right way, and they are gearing this roster towards that. We may not be the most talented team on paper, but they will surely get the most out of their players, which is something that couldn’t be said for the previous two regimes.
Can’t wait until September!!! I actually get a game on my birthday. That hasn’t happened in years!!!! GO PHINS!!!!
Now is the time- the time to rise up from the depths of Hell and stake our claim back on top of the AFC East...Look out Gaytriots here comes Jake Long and the Phins
About Wake..
You have to remember that not only is he playing against better competition, but he is learning a completely new position. He was a DE in a 4-3 in Canada, his only job was to get the QB while lining up with his hand on the ground. Now he’s standing up and has to learn some new pass rush skills and pass coverage, this will take time. Also, he doesn’t need to take over the NFL this year, he has J.P, and J.T. ahead of him and he was only paid 3rd round money (according to Omar Kelly). If he can contribute on special teams then he is worth keeping around to see if he can develop into a great pass rusher.
Absolutely
The guy is as much as a rookie. He’ll surely make the team as long as he flashes some potential, and won’t be expected to contribute till next year. At this point, my enthusiasm about him hasn’t been dampened at all, just like with any other of the rookies.
Good read
as always. I see all of these guys making the squad, and they are difinitely better than what we had last year. So at least we are moving in the direction.
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hopefully........patrick turner = plax burress
without the legal problems
no... Hopefully.. Patrick Turner = Plax Burress + No Brain Damage
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by FinsFromBrazil on Jun 25, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Very excited about Turner
I was one never to put Wake up high, I won’t give him any credit until he steps on the field in pads against NFL competiion.
Brian Hartlines name not coming up in OTA’s not really a bad thing. Yes he was not spectacular, but there were not many negatives either.
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you nailed it Matt
It was if I wrote this post. I couldn’t agree with it any more.
by NewJerseyphins on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
lol
us NJ Dolphin fans must think alike!
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Theres a reason why you havent heard much from Hartline in some of the practices
he wasnt allowed to practice with team cause he was still in school
but he was at the final minicamp
and at a number of the OTAs
he just missed the first rookie minicamp and some of the early OTAs
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Hartline is acknowledged as a smart guy by Sparano and he likes to compete. I think he’ll be fine. Rookies have to do well in training camp, OTA’s don’t mean as much for them anyway, especially for receivers IMHO.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
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Smiley needs to change his first name to Jake . . .
Then the left side of the line can be called “The Jakes Line” or “Jakes the Stakes” (stakes – you know- they hold the fence up to keep anything from getting past it), or “Move the Stakes” – as in fist downs running! ROFLMAO
Keep in mind, Wake is most definately a project.
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I take the leash that's leading me
I'm bleeding me, whoa!
Hopefully
a short term project, we’ll need him by next year I think….This year will be a learning year, but i think he’ll do okay and be great next year.
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I would hate
to see him flying down the field on a kick-off return, that’s if i was on the receiving team that is.
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One thing to remember about Wake, no LBs were really mentioned cuz you need the pads to evaluate them.
1) Wake
2) Davis
3) Clemons
1)White
2)Hartline
3)Green
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Wake as a Dolphin
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by uncle finster on Jun 26, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hartline and Turner
I think Hartline will take some time and could be a better version of Camarillo. Camarillo is 27 or 28 already and is only signed for a couple of years… Hartline is like 20, let him play special teams for two years and he should be ready for a prominent role in the offense. He sounds like a real student of the game.
I want to compare Turner to Vincent Jackson. Is that fair?
Wake the Beast
I like Cameron Wake alot. I feel anyone with his speed who is also being called a beast in the weightroom is going to cause alot of headaches for the people he’ll be hitting. Also, i heard that we’re coming up with a formation involving wake, taylor, and porter… can’t weight to see that!!!
I like your thinking Matty....
.. making it tough to argue against these choices.
So I won’t. Just want to give my chnages…. though Wake might be as you provide, I’d move him on my list to the most optimistic. His potential and his body of work, though it may be hyped, for me is difficult to pass on. Make him 3a by Turner.
Your least optimistic is good also, but since I move Wake up, I’ll add safety Chris Clemons as my least optimistic listing. His battle to make the team is toughest at the position. Miami has some pretty solid back-ups and I just don’t see him make a big enough splash to stick.
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I just dont see Turner having a succesful year
I really hope Im wrong.. i just dont see him getting open for Pennington
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