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Weekend Roundup: Talking rookie cornerbacks, Chad Pennington & more

Well we've officially entered the heart of the "dead zone" - the time period between the final OTA day and the beginning of training camp.  It's a time where the only bit of news you will find (other than Brett Favre news, of course) has to do with either the signing of your draft picks or the arrest of one of your players.

But I'll do my best to make this slow period as interesting as possible.  Let's get caught up on some nuggets you might have missed this past Father's Day weekend.

ESPN'S TIM GRAHAM DISCUSSES AFC EAST IN CHAT
Former Palm Beach Post writer and current AFC East blogger Tim Graham held a chat on Friday.  Of course, his opinion isn't really any more important than yours or mine.  But it's at least some food for thought.  Allow me to highlight some of the Dolphins-related talk.

Q: Sean Smith is a boss, but will everyone else view Vontae as a bust since Will Allen and Smith will be the probable starting cb's? I think his tackling would be excellent as a nickel in run support. Whatcha think?

A: I'm not sure where you're getting your info that Smith will be the starter. It's only June. All players, but especially cornerbacks, prove themselves at training camp and in preseason games. That's where they earn a coach's trust. On the last day of minicamp, Davis was getting first-team reps. So let's wait a while to see how that battle shakes out.

First off, Graham is exactly right here.  We need to see how these young corners play once the pads go on.  But I highlighted this question because I think it brings up an interesting point.

I really hope that if Sean Smith does continue to impress once the pads come on and wins the starting cornerback job opposite Will Allen that fans don't jump on Vontae Davis and call him a "bust" because he was the 1st round pick and he didn't beat our 2nd round pick to start.  Sadly, it's a situation I could see unfolding among some Dolphin fans - and it would be very unfair.  Davis and Smith have very different skill sets.  Smith is an ideal edge corner and wouldn't be a good fit as a nickel covering the slot.  Davis could play anywhere on the field.  And Smith's size would allow him to matchup with the bigger receivers that the Dolphins will face this year.

Q: Hey Tim - What kind of quarterback do you expect Henne to be? One that can win games on his own or a game manager type?

A: Game manager is a roundabout way of saying he wins with his head and not his skills. The Dolphins see him as complete quarterback with an arm and intelligence. Having Chad Pennington as Henne's mentor for a couple years could prove more valuable for the Dolphins in the long run than having Pennington at quarterback.

I'm sure those "Henne-ites" out there will simply disregard this - as usual.  But here's the thing: it's one thing if we're only hearing this idea that Pennington's mentoring is going to have big dividends for Henne in the long run from one source or just a handful of people.  However, we are hearing this know from many, many different sources.  That has to mean something, doesn't it?

But, as surely as it rains in Miami every summer afternoon, those who are in favor of benching Pennington for Henne will just continue to write this off as total BS.

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Q: Timothy, Did you see in Ginn what Sparano sees in Ginn lately? That is confidence, crisper route running, DOMINANCE??

A: Dominance? In all caps, no less? I haven't heard Sparano say anything in the neighborhood of that.

The above statement by Graham is proof here that perhaps ESPN should reconsider who they have covering the AFC East for them.  So Graham hasn't heard Tony Sparano say anything in terms of Ginn looking "dominant" in practice?  Perhaps Timmy boy should read The Phinsider - because then he'd know that Sparano did in fact use that word, saying, "I've seen him in some situations be pretty dominant...I've been impressed with what Ted Ginn has done."

Perhaps I'm nuts - but that quote from Tony is in the neighborhood of "dominance."  Of course, it's in just helmets and shorts.  But still - I just wanted to point out that even the guys who get paid "the big bucks" for ESPN aren't as thorough as you would expect.

Q: I've heard nothing but great news about Patrick Turner supposively human vacuum cleaner. But does he have the speed to be a starter?

A: Turner does have sensational hands. I couldn't stop watching him at rookie camp. Speed and separation will be an issue, but he should be on the field on obvious passing downs and in the red zone.

The "human vacuum."  Not there's a potential nickname for Turner.

The question all along for Turner has been his ability to create separation.  His inability to do that at times at the collegiate level was evident when watching some of his tape in the weeks before and after the NFL Draft.  But what jumped out at me when watching his highlights was how he managed to make the catch despite having corners draped all over him.  Granted - at the NFL level, the corners are far better and Turner won't be able to rely on his superior size and hands consistently.  And that's why it'll be interesting to see how Turner does in camp and in the preseason in terms of creating that separation that is necessary to be consistent at the NFL level.

QUICK HITS
-There was an excellent (but heart-breaking) piece in the Sun-Sentinel by Ethan Skolnick about former Dolphins RB David Overstreet that I highly recommend.  And I especially recommend it to younger Dolphin fans who might not even know who Overstreet was or how his life came to a tragic end.

-Armando Salguero took a look at some of the competitive position battles the Dolphins will have once camp does kick off in what seems like an eternity from now.  Cornerback, receiver, and linebacker are highlighted.  And I agree that those three positions will be the ones to watch come August.  But we'll have more on those battles - and every roster battle - as camp nears.

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I think that Sean Smith is going to be a better NFL corner than Davis. The potential is there

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by Rytackle on Jun 22, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or it could just mean that Smith has exceeded expectations.

If Smith goes on to make 7 Pro Bowls and Davis only 5, I wouldn’t exactly consider Davis a bust. Furthermore, a bust to me implies a wasted pick: failing miserably to meet expectations for most of one’s career. But someone can have a couple bad years and then still end up making the hall of fame, so it really bothers me why some people are so apt to throwing around the “bust” label so early in a player’s career.

by kcorona4 on Jun 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but of course there are exceptions.

If John Beck goes on to have a good career, then I would still call him a busted pick for the Dolphins since he is no longer on the team.

by kcorona4 on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the "popular" opinion these days, but I don't think so.

Vontae Davis was taken 25th for a reason and he seems to have the desire to get better. I see Davis being the starter and Smith developing nicely in a year or two. People are not realizing how hard it is to step in to the NFL and start. Davis and played 3 years in the big Ten and has all the tools but it will still be hard for him. Smith needs more seasoning at the position but I think he’ll be good as well.

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by AussieKen on Jun 22, 2009 1:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a very moving article about Overstreet.

Seems like the tailback Marino never has. What could have been:)

by Aqua Blue Sweater on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overstreet

was going to be a star. He could have helped Marino immensely.

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by Phintastic on Jun 22, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a very sad story

Can't stop to save my soul
I take the leash that's leading me
I'm bleeding me, whoa!

by Patssuck456 on Jun 22, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith and Davis

Will hopefully be the new Surtain and Madison. Any help back there would be great. it’s been awhile since we have had talent in the secondary. I say Penny is a coach somewhere in 10 years, maybe even head coach.

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by Phintastic on Jun 22, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Davis or Smith (for that matter) don't make it in the NFL, they will both be busts!

One was a first round pick, the other a second. You would expect those picks to be productive starting players. Maybe not year one (I would argue, with the exception of QB’s, all 1st and 2nd round picks should be starters as a rookies), but within the first 2 years.

If you don’t expect immediate impact from your top picks, you shouldn’t have taken them that high. You should have high expectations for these players. They get paid a lot of money and were considered by many, if not all the experts, the best at their positions in college. That should translate to the NFL.

by ct1361 on Jun 22, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matty, once again...

Good Stuff. You always keep it interesting here. I don’t post as much as i did a couple years back, but I always pop in here first to get my Fins-fix.

Keep it up, man.

by NumberSeven on Jun 22, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hi

You are right about Tim Graham this guy doesnt know what he is talking about. He was saying on ESPN board that Ricky Williams will be a dud this year lol? what? I asked him if he even seen Ricky play last yaer and told him he needs to go back and watch some film lol. I mean who hires theese guys?

by Raiden on Jun 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said about Davis

the kid is learning both roles in these OTAs. Smith is only having to learn one.
The fact that Davis could keep up at all is a testament to his coachability, football smarts and general learning ability.
While i LOVE smith, mainly because of where we got him (i expected we would have to pick one or the other and figured smith was too raw to take with our first pick), I think he will take a couple of years to really develop. I fully expect him to contribute this year, but i think Vontae has a better chance of starting sometime during the season.

As for Henne, that’s BS! CP should be benched and Henne should start right away.
;-)

Human vacuum? Does that mean he sucks?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think you misinterpreted the part about Henne.

To me, “Having Chad Pennington as Henne’s mentor for a couple years could prove more valuable for the Dolphins in the long run than having Pennington at quarterback” means that Tim believes Henne should start, not Pennington. He said it’s better to have Pennington MENTOR Henne than it is to have Pennington AT QUARTERBACK. IE, bench Pennington but keep him on the team as a mentor.

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by joel311 on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Henne/CP

When I was at FSU we had a QB by the name of Chris Rix…and he blew goat balls. Behind him was a huge talented black QB named Xavier “Savior” Lee….all the fuss was over putting him in every year…people throwing up “X” signs….pissed he never played…then he did one day and they got what they asked for….2 int’s returned for td’s and a loss….he needed to learn still….and we all chanted for Rix the next game.

the backup qb is the most popular player on every team….but be carefull what you wish for…late game meaningless drives and practice do not = primetime pressure success….i just wanna see us be reasonable with Henne and take our time.

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 22, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What does "ethnicity" have to do with it?

The phinsider is colorblind.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 22, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL....... Huh?....... What?

… hmmm, Idk, maybe see your name? ;-]

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by Alpha6 on Jun 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, buddy

Aqua and orange are the only color that matters. We are colorblind to the rest.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 22, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree with some of the comments about our new rookie cb's

who is to say that smith and davis are not our starting cb’s come game day?? from what i am seeing out of tony is no one’s job is a lock except for dan carpenter’s lol. and heck who knows even he might find himself with a new kicker to challange his job. it is a very simple concept. put your best players on the field no matter who they are. bout time we had a HC that knows this well!

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jun 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Fields

and John Denney don’t have competition either.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

john denney sure does

his name is jason taylor, and he has been the backup LS for years.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 22, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh snap.

See what I did?

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Jun 22, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

made a pun with snap - LS?

yes, you are very clever

;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 22, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good finds

Good reads…
I can’t wait till the season starts so it’s always nice to hear as much as possible.

Album coming soon

by Han The Man And The Band on Jun 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I remember...

… when the team got Overstreet.

I thought we were going to the Super Bowl for sure then.

I still remember how I felt when I heard the news.
Like a punch in the stomach!
It’s a tragedy…

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by Alpha6 on Jun 22, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hats off

removes hat for a moment of silence for Overstreet a true tragedy for sure

common sence says if you put a stick in it and stirr if it stinks.. stop.. toss the stick and just walk away.

by animal2020 on Jun 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hehe

Perhaps Timmy boy should read The Phinsider – because then he’d know = Shameless plug.

Everyone knows that all the peeps at ESPN are a bunch of North East bias, South Beach Hating pansies.

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-Oscar Wilde

by Neo on Jun 22, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ditto

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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by finsxfactor on Jun 23, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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