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Tuesday Dolphins OTA Reports

Ronnie Brown dropping back to pass at Tuesday's OTA. (Photo courtesy Joe Cavaretta / Sun-Sentinel)

Ronnie Brown dropping back to pass at Tuesday's OTA. (Photo courtesy Joe Cavaretta / Sun-Sentinel)

Palm Beach Post OTA Report
Highlights include:
-Sean Smith working as a starting CB.
-Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams were throwing passes.
-Dolphins used a lot of two TE sets.
-Brandon Frye continues to work as the starting RG.
-Brandon Fields was "machine-like" during punting drills.

Miami Herald OTA Report
Highlights include:
-Jake Grove had a very good practice.
-Justin Smiley still working as starting LG.
-John Nalbone getting a lot of work in goal-line and redzone offense.
-Dan Carpenter was 6 for 6 on FGs.

Sun-Sentinel OTA Report
Highlights include:
-Joey Haynos "flashing some talent."
-Pat White looking more comfortable.
-Chad Henne throwing with the most velocity - but is off the mark at times.
-Chad Pennington was his classic self - safe decisions and accurate passes.

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Ronnie again...

I really hope they give him more touches… not only that would be good for our team, but I also plan on drafting him on 3rd or 4th round this year on fantasy… I think he will be this year’s steal (like Turner was last year)…

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by FinsFromBrazil on Jun 2, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its getting exciting, guys.

Its working out to the point where there aren’t too many weaknesses on this team. There is going to be some heartbreak when cut time comes around.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

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by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Look for a lot of 3 TE set's this year.

From what I have been reading, Haynos, Nalbone, and Fasano are all playing real well. Let’s hope as a position that they are as productive a unit as they were last year.

by ct1361 on Jun 2, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've heard a double TE set called the "Elephant Formation"........

………… what’s a triple TE set called.. ??

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by Alpha6 on Jun 2, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "Triceratops" formation, of course.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Jun 2, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!

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by buckeyebill on Jun 2, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back in the day...

when I played college football we would call a TE set an “Elephant” formation when we would have two TE’s on the same side of the formation, one on the LOS and the other behind him as a wing. The other side of the formation had a split end.

Our “Jumbo” formation was an “Elephant” with a 3rd TE instead of the split end. Basically we had 3 TE’s, a FB, and a RB in the formation for short yardage and goal line situations.

The “Jumbo” formation for the phins can really produce in those situations. If the phins bring in a “Jumbo” set, most defensive coordinators will take out DB’s and bring in extra DL and LB’s. If not, the phins pound the run because of they have the size advantage. If there are extra DL and LB’s on the field, you shift out of the formation and move Haynos and Fasano on the outside and match them up against a LB in coverage. Haynos and Fasano should win those battles.

You call two plays in the huddle, one pass and one run, and then let Pennington dictate which play our of which formation to run based on defensive personnel. Take what the defense gives you.

by ct1361 on Jun 2, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excellent dude... Thank you very much..!!

… I’ll say it again, I come here to learn, and this was a very good explanation!

I will enjot the games even more with this kind of knowledge… knowing what’s going on in a game.

Right on ct1361..!!

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by Alpha6 on Jun 2, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a problem.

Hope I made it clear enough.

by ct1361 on Jun 2, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great write up ct....a question fore you

do you know of any books/CD/websites I can turn to to learn this stuff. I think I know a good chunk of it but I’m turning into a junkie.

thoughts?

by Polephin on Jun 2, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I appreciate the compliment. There was a time in my youth (junior and senior year in college and grad school) that I considered being a football coach and went to probably something like a dozen coaching seminars. That is where I got a lot of this stuff.

I will see what I can dig up and get you some information. I will say this though, if you can find anything on Jim McNally and Dick LeBeau get it. I learned more from both of them in a 2-day seminar than I did with my college coaching staff in 2 years.

by ct1361 on Jun 2, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CoachTeed.com

has a library of more than 2500 offense/defense/special teams playbooks for 20 bucks. I got the whole set, and it’s just incredible the amount of information you get for such a measley little price. Every kind of offense/defense from every era and every level of football, some of them quick overviews, some completely in depth straight from the coaches themselves. Check it out.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 2, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we cant torrent or dc++ it?

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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I have no idea what that is

but you can definitely buy it, and it comes in the mail, and you put the cd in the computer, and you have playbooks. If you want to do that and play with it and turn it into a math equation, go right ahead lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you print?

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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats that supposed to be...did your keyboard just throw up on you?

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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ω

"wars may be fought with weapons, but they are won by men" -General George S. Patton Jr-
creator of nic name "shrimp Patty" for Pat White
Hat Tip Hat trick from "X"
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by uncle finster on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as in..

can I print you copies of them? No. 2500 playbooks, some of them up to 600 pages, video files, power points… no.

Is $20 really a problem for you? I know if I can afford it, you can too lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 3, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have $20.. ?

… come down my alley little boy……..

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by Alpha6 on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hooker?

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by uncle finster on Jun 4, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol well this is the kid

that put up a poll on what he should get for Christmas, and then got the whole list lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 4, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was that a...

….“SPOILED SLAP”?

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by Matty I on Jun 4, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The jumbo formation

you mention, is one of our goal line formations, and if you split the TEs out they will be covered by DBs, its rare to have less than 3 DBs on the feild.

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creator of nic name "shrimp Patty" for Pat White
Hat Tip Hat trick from "X"
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by uncle finster on Jun 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes yes sometimes no.

It depends on the defense called. Some D coordinators don’t like moving safeties out from the middle of the defense. So if you shift a TE to a SE position, some coordinators will cover that TE with a LB, especially in man coverage.

I don’t know how to post a video but here is the link:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29562&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&week=REG3

Play the video. At about the 2:15 mark, TB lines up in the “Jumbo” and then shifts TE Jeremy Stevens out wide (bottom of the screen). He is covered by LB Hunter Hillemayer. Easy throw, easy catch, easy TD.

I was watching that game live and I remember thinking at the time what a great play call that was by Gruden. He knew how the Bears would adjust their personnel to the “Jumbo” formation and knew that he would get man coverage on the shifting TE by a LB.

by ct1361 on Jun 2, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call Ct

but its like you said, it depends on the D, a lot of teams in that sit. have 2 CBs and 1 safety, the bears had 2 safeties and 1 CB on the other side, but your point is well taken, good call :>)
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by uncle finster on Jun 2, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TASTY

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 2, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that Ginn is going to be a bad-azz this year.

Particularly with Pat White and his ability to throw the long-ball. Ginn should have so many more opportunities to shine this year. He still made some very nice plays last year, many people want to discount that for some reason.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

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by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont agree, I think this is the year where he looses the coaches' patience and officially

becomes a bust. He is afraid of getting hit, he drops passes when he feels the safety breathing on his neck, he runs out of bounds on the first chance he gets when returning kick offs, he was drafted because of his punt return ability and isnt even doing that. Plus, he is a pretty bad wide receiver “fundamentals” wise. He can’t get off the line of scrimmage and is a pretty mediocre route runner. Even Eric Green, our new CB, told him that his key weakness is getting of press at the line. Im sure when Henne steps in he’ll be a solid #2 receiver and a long threat but don’t expect him to become what we drafted.

by MauMontaV5 on Jun 2, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It kind of seems like you'll be rooting against him.

I’ll trust what coach Sparano says over you, with all due respect.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont go by what I or half the dolphins fan base say or for that matter by what Sparano says either

just look at the facts, plain and simple. Look at Ginn’s career and tell me that he is anything more than a mediocre at best player. Plus, “Pat White and his ability to throw the long ball” ? what are you talking about? Do you mean Henne or are you just completely lost?

by MauMontaV5 on Jun 2, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL! You having a bad day, buddy?

No, I don’t mean Henne, and no I’m not lost. If you had been reading you would know that from the reports Pat White has thrown the long ball very well. You would also know that Pat White will be used quite a bit. Therefore, yes I can’t wait to see them hook up. Lastly, I obviously disagree with you and I think that Ginn is a very good player. Sparano, Ireland, and Parcells are happy with him and so am I.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may have confused him by being on topic.. LOL (WildCat)

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by Alpha6 on Jun 2, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, ok...

Because I was getting confused, LOL!

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha you are right I am. I hope Ginn has a breakout year this season.

About White, the thing is that, I don’t know how much of a chance he is going to get to throw the ball. He will with some wildcat packages im sure but i would guess those would be shorter routes because the wildcat’s got to be quick. I hope at least one of them has a huge impact on 09

by MauMontaV5 on Jun 2, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, when they put him in the spread offense with 4 or 5 WR’s. Then you add his ability to run, there will be plenty of nice throwing opportunities with one on one coverage.

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jun 2, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

on the running out of bounds. I wonder if Sparano is building him up for a trade down the road. Ginn and 2nd for Boldin?

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by Phintastic on Jun 2, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at the guns

On Ronnie……WOW!!!! I guess he hit the weights this offseason……impressive….

by jvw on Jun 2, 2009 7:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know right

he’s lookin pretty thick:>)

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by uncle finster on Jun 2, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, did Sparano kidnap Dwight Howard?

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 2, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intresting tidbit on Project Wilford
Ernest Wilford worked as a tight end/H-back a lot today, and when he went into motion he caused a lot of confusion for the defense. While he didn’t catch anything during the session, Wilford personally contributed to two touchdowns because of breakdowns. I can finally see where the coaches are going with this experiment.

With Wilford, who worked with both the second and third team offense today, it’s hard to determine what to defend him with. When he goes into motion he messed up the match up the defense has fabricated. Today it allowed running backs to be WIDE open in the flat, or speedy receivers to potentially have a linebacker assigned to them.

Maybe there is hope for the fifth-year veteran after all. It appears the Dolphins and Wilford are going all-in with this tight end/H-back experiment.

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 2, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh and postive Shawn Murphy news
Murphy, a fourth-round pick last season, is still running second-team but he’s looking better. He did nice work on one goal line play, pulling from his left guard spot and basically erasing safety Ethan Kilmer on the play.

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 2, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice write up with knowlage & memory!

& the q. were all answerd some backed up with the picture’s excelent. thx!

by wild zion beaver on Jun 3, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooooo with Ronnie & Ricky, um, practicing passing...

anyone know if they can throw the deep out with some zip :) :) :)

by Natalya on Jun 4, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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