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It's time to wrap up our trip around the division today by talking more about how Rex Ryan has been acting as Jets head coach.  To do so, we welcome in John B from Gang Green Nation.

Matty I: I know we spoke about Rex Ryan a few weeks back, but since there are some new "developments" I wanted to bring him up again. I'll be honest - I've never seen a head coach do as much "trash talking" as I've seen Rex Ryan do this offseason. And it's not so much the stuff about not backing down to New England - or "kissing Belichick's rings" that bothers me. But the attacking of players - saying Channing Crowder is "tatted up" and that if he was younger, he would "handle him myself" - really baffles me. Aren't head coaches supposed to be above the trash talk? Isn't it a little odd for a heach coach to get into a verbal sparring match with a player? What kind of example is Rex Ryan setting and how has this gone over in New York among Jet fans?

John B: I completely understand why you seem so taken aback by Ryan. I mean the Dolphins are the defending division champs and deserve some respect. I'd probably be upset too if a rival coach got into a war of words with one of my team's players like this. I still don't see this as a major deal, though, more of a storyline to keep our interest during the dead period.

Every coach has a different style. Some guys are very soft spoken and humble like Tony Dungy and Joe Gibbs. Not every one is, though. Take Miami's own Bill Parcells. I recall him once questioning the gender of one of his players to the press. This was one of his guys, not the opposition. Because Parcells is a winner, people call it motivation. If he had the record of say Jerry Glanville, the same people would probably talk about how he threw his players under the bus. Joe Namath and Mark Messier are heroes in New York because they backed up brash predictions. Patrick Ewing didn't and is not on the same level.

All it does is put a bigger target on the backs of his players. That could be a problem, but word out of the locker room is the team is totally behind him and is motivated to back up his talk.

Games are won on the field. If Channing Crowder and the Dolphins don't like what Ryan says, they have two chances to make him eat his words.

Jets fans like the brevado for the time being. We have played second fiddle to New England for a long time. It is nice to see a coach with such confidence. If the team doesn't back up his talk, fans will of course turn on him.

I have seen plenty of coaches try and tweak the opposition in all sports. I don't think it's quite as rare as your question suggests. The ones who back up their talk are remembered as great. The ones who do not are remembered as blowhards. Ryan's legacy has not yet been written.

My Take: First off, you can't compare attacking opposing players through the media with attacking your own players through the media.  Those are two completely different things.  If you want to treat your own players like that as a motivating tool, that's fine.  But that is in no way related to having a head coach attempting to start a fight with an opposing player.

Secondly, a head coach trying to pick a fight is also completely different than a player making a guarantee or a player trying to pick a fight with an opposing player.  So you can't compare Ryan's actions to Messier's or Namath's, either.  John says he has seen many coaches attempt to "tweak" the opposition in the past.  But I simply cannot recall a head coach - the guy who is supposed to be the leader of a team, be the logical and mature face of the team - trying to pick a fight with an opposing player through the media.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - Rex Ryan is a giant jackass.  And some might say he fits in perfectly with the Jets.  But I won't say that.  No - not me.

Be sure to head over to GGN to see my response to John's question about Bill Parcells.

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itsk Matty, we'll do it for you

Dildo = Rex Ryan = NYJ

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by chrislucas on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Have fun making excuses for this guy till he's fired Johnny B........

That entire family is pathetic…..his brother….his father….a group of assclowns.

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by Rzayo24 on Jun 12, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Porter, Ryan, Moss, Owens in the AFC East - now Crowder

If nothing else, it should be a fun year just reading about the games and players comments

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

by mikem1224 on Jun 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Real Problem...

Wasn’t that Rex Ryan said that Crowder was tatted up or he would “handle him myself” if he were younger. The truly dumb part and what has been widely missed was that Ryan said that you do win in June (in response to Crowder’s OTA Champion remarks) and you win in June with preparation. Then he said he didn’t know who Crowder was, which Crowder handled perfectly by saying, “Oh, Lord have mercy. What’s wrong with him?” Crowder told the newspaper. “Now he’s talking about preparation? We play them twice this year. If he wants to be prepared, shouldn’t he know the starting middle linebackers of his division rival?”

Not just division rivals, defending division champs. I think Mike Freeman on Sportsline.com said it best, “Not certain about the rest of you, but I would love to see an organization with the sort of losing and embarrassing history of the Jets, oh, you know, win before the head coach starts beating his chest and running his mouth like he’s Big Pussy from The Sopranos.”

by NaturallyCynical on Jun 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mark my words the Jets will be last in our devision

Rex like his father is a complete ignorant a$$hole

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by Foy on Jun 12, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm curious though...

Just how long can Ryan keep that locker room behind him…especially the team doesn’t back up all the talk? And what happens IF(I won’t say when just yet) Ryan completely loses that team?

While not the same situation, when the questionable decisions and losses started piling up under Cam Cameron…the team staged a practical mutiny.

I think, worst case scenario for the Jets, that team will start to show the same characteristics as the Celtics did when Rick Pitino was coaching. When the team does not like you, they will show it. If the success doesn’t come to the Jets to back up all the talk, I think you’ll see a coach undermining on the level of what happened to Barry Switzer in Dallas

by rroan28 on Jun 12, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rex does mean king in latin, you know

I don’t recall a coach ever doing something like this before. Other than upset the fans and players of every other team to play and root against the Jets harder, this “style” carries another big risk: if you can’t back your words up, you’re going to be humiliated and the pressure is going to come faster and harder until you do.

To sum up, Rex Ryan has:

1) greatly increased the pressure on him and his team

2) put himself, the leader of a team in a position to be humiliated by only one of the hundreds of players he’ll face this year

3) increased the motivation of several key opponents, if not all

The one plus is, if he does win some key games right away, he and his team will feel like King-Kong even before climbing the Empire State.

All in all I can’t see how this is good “strategy”, likes or dislikes for the man aside. It seems too risky and likely to backfire, especially if he continues to “use it”, as he surely will, “against” other teams and players.

by icerob on Jun 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rex = Loooooooooooooooooser!!!!!!!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Jun 12, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think your taking it a bit far....

Matty, It almost seems like you got something personal against Ryan. I know its the Jets, and theres no other team i hate more, well maybe patriots, but you really do seem to hate rex with the passion!!! Did he steal your lunch or something?? To be totally honest, I think to Rex it was all fun and games. According to reports he usually said those things with a smile on his face. I dont think he meant it in a disrespectful way. He even admitted that CC would kill him! To me, this all jus makes our match that more exciting and I think i’ll have to thank BOTH CC and RR for that.

And about all that “the afc east goes through Miami or New England bull”. Well yea, we won the afc east, but when the team in your division is the super bowl favorite every damn year then yea, maybe it does go through them. They are super bowl favorites ahead of the super bowl winners. There jus that good. And they did have the same record as us, jus lost their playoff chance due to a technicality. In the end, last season doesnt matter, If we want respect we have to earn it this season one week at a time.

That is all……………GO DOLPHINS!!!

by westcoastdolphin on Jun 12, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Jets deserve to be hated

every single one of them, anyone who disagrees is a traitor to the cause.

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I take the leash that's leading me
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by Patssuck456 on Jun 12, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, us phins phans in ny get it tough.
damn i want football season to start, i’ve allready given up on my mets.

by samdaman on Jun 18, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buddy/Rex

is like Beavis and Butthead. Like father like son.

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by Phintastic on Jun 13, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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