Around The AFC East: Buffalo Bills
It's time to close out the week by once again taking a trip around the AFC East division. Kicking things off this week is Brian Galliford from Buffalo Rumblings, as we take a few moments to talk about Trent Edwards.
Matty I: Let's talk about Trent Edwards. It was around this time two yeas ago when you and I debated about how J.P. Losman would evolve as an NFL quarterback. Now Trent Edwards is the quarterback in Buffalo. What does he have to show this year for him to prove he might be the long-term QB solution for the Bills? Is this Trent's "crap or get off the pot" season in Buffalo?
Brian G: I feel like you brought up Losman's name as a nice little jab, Matty. You say Losman, I say John Beck. There. Now I feel a bit better. :)
As for Edwards, this might be his make-or-break season in Buffalo, but only because of the tenuous job status of Dick Jauron and his coaching staff. Team owner Ralph Wilson likes Edwards' make-up and his moxie. He's a good young football player. There is a chance that if '09 goes poorly and a new coaching staff comes in, they'll go another year with Edwards. But the general rule is that new regimes equal new quarterbacks. As frustrating as it would be to see another change at QB in Buffalo if Jauron doesn't last beyond 2009, that's the unfortunate truth of the matter - and it just adds another element to the mounting pressure to field a winner this season.
What does he need to show to prove he's the long-term quarterback solution? It's not so much "showing" - he's showed quite a bit at the NFL level, including the ability to routinely beat good defenses - it's doing it consistently. Edwards won't ever be a world beater, but he's a Chad Pennington-type in that if he can be an assertive leader and play consistently week in and week out, he can quarterback winning football teams. All he needs is consistency - if he can get to that level, the Bills should be a pretty good football team as soon as 2009.
My Take: Well played, Mr. Galliford. But in my defense, I never called Beck a top 15 NFL quarterback like you did about Losman.
Anyways, Brian makes an excellent point. New regimes want their own quarterback - as seen in Denver and in Miami, to name just two examples. Consistency is always the toughest thing to get from young quarterbacks. And if Edwards can't show some consistency in 2009 with the weapons he now has around him, there's no reason to think he is the long-term QB solution for the Bills. I guess this is just one of the many storylines within the division in '09.
Be sure to head over to BR at some point today to read some discussion on Miami's offensive line.
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hahahahahhahhahahahahaaha
he’s showed quite a bit at the NFL
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by Rzayo24 on Jun 12, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
… there was a great deal of tap dancing here.
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by Alpha6 on Jun 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He showed a little bit when he dropped 4 TDs on you guys a couple of years ago. Which is something a Dolphins QB hasn’t done since Marino did it in 1998.
Edwards averaged 7.2 yards per attempt last year which was the 11th best among QBs who qualified. And before Pennington walked into town, that’s something that a Dolphin QB had topped once (Jay Fiedler averaged 7.3 ypa in 2001) since Marino did it in 1996. Edwards also completed 65.5% of his passes last year. It was the 6th best total in the league and something that no Dolphin QB had ever done before Pennington had his crazy averages this year.
I don’t think Brain said anything over the top. Edwards is a good young QB who has had flashes of being the guy to build the offense around. He has shown that ability. He has had some great games and some 4th quarter comebacks. His problems have been consistency and staying healthy. One game he looks like a QB who is developing into one of the better ones in the league and another week he spends all game checking down while the offense settles for FG after FG.
by kaisertown on Jun 13, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's totally a CP10 type....
minus the whole playing Quarterback well thing.
stop it with Trent Edwards….please. You know it…I know it….Your crypt keeper front office knows it.
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by Rzayo24 on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pennington was 14-9 in his first 23 starts with a QB rating of 97.3.
Edwards was 12-11 in his first 23 starts with a QB rating of 79.1.
The only negligible difference between the two (outside of Chad’s very gaudy stats, obviously) was that Pennington sat on the bench in NY behind Vinny Testaverde for two years. Edwards didn’t have that luxury.
Clearly, Trent’s got a long way to go to reach Pennington territory. My comparison was more along the lines of their playing styles. If Edwards turns out to be a Pennington-type, I’ll be thrilled.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does he have a noodle arm?
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by finsxfactor on Jun 13, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a bit stronger than Chad’s. He doesn’t have as much upstairs, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol well said
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by finsxfactor on Jun 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche'
You say Losman, I say John Beck
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by Daren on Jun 12, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was a good line...
Even though, we really don’t know how good or bad Beck is. Anyway, Go Lakers! Go Dolphins :)
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by AussieKen on Jun 12, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
beck is amazing though
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by finsxfactor on Jun 13, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lololol...
Ha! I’m with Rzayo, Edwards is a wanna be. Can’t wait to see the drama explode on this team when T.O. starts running his fat mouth. Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of douchebags!
by Phishenstein on Jun 12, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s the difference between T.O. running his mouth and Channing Crowder doing likewise?
Not that I didn’t side with Crowder – in fact, I did. Rex Ryan is a tool.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
T O is an attention whore
and Crowder only opens his mouth once in a while and most of what he says is entertaining, Crowder is more of a class clown then an attention whore.
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by Patssuck456 on Jun 12, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah T.O. has been hogging the spotlight this offseason… saying all knids of stuff to get a reaction from the media….
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea!
all knids of stuff
lol epic fail mrw. you’re better than that
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by finsxfactor on Jun 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know what a knid is?
HA. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 14, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...im sorry i dont lol...probly that ol buffalo lingo!
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by finsxfactor on Jun 14, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor basta***ts
Saying Loss man is like CP10 is ridiculous! Well only in bisons mind is equal!!
“he need to be consistence” CP10 IS consistence. : S
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by Aleta on Jun 12, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said Edwards is like Pennington. Chad is probably the very last quarterback I would compare Losman to.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A LOT of qbs will be like CP10 if...
They where consistence!!
So Edwards is NOT consistence. At the end, the same!! A inconsistence qb with fans hoping to be consistance. The same hope we have with Henne! That make him a CP10? I think not!! A qb show his abilities soon rather than later. Edward is what its, nothing more, nothing less!!
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by Aleta on Jun 12, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re exactly right. Which, again, is why I was comparing Edwards to Pennington in terms of playing style, and only playing style.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Edwards developing into a CP10 type of quarterback. He definitely shows some promise. As you said, he needs to become more consistent and work on his decision making skills. If he can do that, I can see you guys having a pretty good quarterback.
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by Chupathingy on Jun 12, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eerrr, sorry
That was supposed to be a reply to you Brian, but I typed in the wrong box. My Monster hasn’t quite kicked in yet. LOL
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by Chupathingy on Jun 12, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a big question that remains is how will Edwards react under pressure now that he is fully recovered from getting his bell rung?
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by Patssuck456 on Jun 12, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trent has never had a problem under pressure. In fact he’s at his best against the blitz. Trent’s problems generally come when defenses drop 8 guys into coverage. For instance, two weeks after getting his bell rung he went 25 for 30 for 261 yards and a TD. A few weeks later he lit up the Chiefs (I know, it’s the Chiefs) for 273 yards and two throwing TDs and added a rushing TD diving headfirst into the end zone – not really something you would do if you were worried about getting your bell rung.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good job guys
Great comeback by Brian G only to get slammed right back by Matty. Now that’s entertainment!
On the Edwards front, I suppose it’s in Dolfans’ genes to hate on QBs even their own but I don’t think it’s farfetched for Edwards to become a solid NFL QB. It would suck a bit, but it doesn’t mean we can’t continue to beat the Bills for years to come, anyway.
The thing is, other than Jauron being on a short leash, TO makes things difficult to predict. He could be a big boost to that offense, or be the catalyst of doom for team, coaches and even QB.
by icerob on Jun 12, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, other than Jauron being on a short leash, TO makes things difficult to predict. He could be a big boost to that offense, or be the catalyst of doom for team, coaches and even QB.
That’s about the long and short of it. Most definitely a boom or bust year in Buffalo. We’ll either be really good, or stupendously bad.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
being really good isn’t going to cut it this season. Being “really good” could net you a .500 season in this division.
You have to be superb – nay, great – just to compete for this division.
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by Dave.Phuller on Jun 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that the Dolphins weren't great last year...
This year with the AFC and NFC South and Brady coming back…. it’s gonna be tough for both of us.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought that the AFC East was pretty mediocre last year. It’s pretty easy to glance at the records and see four teams that were superb out of the division, but let’s face it – we played the two worst divisions in the league last year (AFC West and NFC West). And the in-division stuff was all split, except for Buffalo of course… had we been able to compete in any way, three teams wouldn’t have gone 4-2 in the division.
Oh, and did I mention that our playoff representative got blasted by the second-place team from the AFC North? Now that is a division. They have two great teams. We had three pretty average ones last season, with the Bills’ issues in the division preventing them from joining that group (we were 7-3 out of the AFC East).
I HIGHLY doubt we get three teams with winning records out of the division again. I think it’s FAR more likely to get a winning team near 11-5 or 12-4, and then at least two teams that hover near .500.
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by Brian Galliford on Jun 12, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the team blows up it will have little to do with Owens. We have been teetering on the cliff for a while now.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was impressed with Edwards until he got injured.
he was never as effective all year. Hes got potential to be good
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by closetphinphan on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which injury?
He had great games following both… Chargers game, Chiefs game, Broncos game…
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The brain damage.......... ;-]
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by Alpha6 on Jun 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he had his best game of the year two weeks after that injury against San Deigo.
The shot to the head from Adrian Wilson didn’t cause Trent any long term harm in my opinion. Guys at Rumblings disagree with me. There is just no evidence, visual or statistical, that says he was worse after the injury other than W-L record which I think had little to do with the hit.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 12, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the others? 1 td and 2 int...1 td...2int...1td...3int...lol
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by finsxfactor on Jun 13, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was every game it'd be a pattern.
This shows his bad games weren’t due to the concussion. If it was then all of his games would have been bad.
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by MattRichWarren on Jun 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true...well played mrw...well played indeed
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