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Weekend Roundup: Talking Jason Taylor, Ronnie Brown & more

Today is the first day of June and that means were are officially less than two months away from training camp kicking off for the Miami Dolphins.  These next few weeks will definitely feel like torture, but football will be back before we know it.

But just because we are in the "dead zone" of the NFL offseason doesn't mean there's nothing to talk about.  Here's what made headlines this past weekend.

EXPECTATIONS FOR JASON TAYLOR
There was an excellent piece in the Sun-Sentinel on Sunday about how some of the game's best pass-rushers performed from age 35 and on.  Jason Taylor will turn 35 on September 1.  And if Taylor is as great as we all think he is - and in the same class as some of the all-time great pass-rushers, then we should have a lot to look forward to in 2009.

Taylor currently ranks 14th all time in sacks with 120.5.  But if he wants to be included with some of the greats - guys like Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Kevin Greene, and John Randle - then he needs to perform like those greats did after turning 35.  Bruce Smith picked up 46 sacks in six seasons to reach 200 - the most of any player in NFL history.  Reggie White averaged over 10 sacks per season for four seasons following his 35th birthday.  Kevin Greene - a player in which it's a crime that he isn't in the Hall of Fame - averaged 12.5 sacks after turning 35.

If Taylor can register at least 8 sacks in '09, he'll move into the top 10.

But every case is not the same.  Richard Dent, tied for 6th on the all-time list, only picked up 11 sacks in three seasons after turning 35.  John Randle, also 6th all-time, only registered 12.5 sacks in two seasons upon turning 35.

So what should we expect from Jason Taylor following his lowest sack total since 1999?  Chris Doleman, whose 150.5 sacks ranks 4th all-time and who averaged 11.5 sacks per season after his 35th birthday, thinks Taylor will still produce and predicts Jason "will get between eight and 15 sacks this year."

"He takes care of his body," Doleman said. "He doesn't have a huge weight fluctuation. If anything, he gets lighter, not heavier. And you want to be lighter as you get older."

He refuted the notion Taylor's reliance on quickness will cause a speedy regression: "J.T. is one of the strongest guys out there."

Nor does he believe Taylor must completely alter his style: "Play to your strengths. What's the point of getting in a sword fight with a guy you can run away from?"

But it's Taylor's former teammate in Miami - Trace Armstrong - who sums it up best.  And Armstrong knows a thing or two about excelling - tallying a career best 16.5 sacks during the 2000 season at the age of 35.  Says Trace:

"I'll never bet against Jason Taylor. Pride and ego, all those things, will make him want to be on the field all the time."

Armstrong adds that "provided they figure out the right role and how to use him, can he be a double-digit sack guy? Absolutely."  That will be the key and will likely be a very fluid situation both during camp and as the season wears on.  How will the Dolphins use Jason Taylor?  I think that this coaching staff will learn as they go and will eventually find the perfect role for Taylor.  What that role is remains unclear.  It could be as a situational pass-rusher.  Or Taylor could work with Joey Porter and the team could plan to split their reps at the weakside OLB spot to keep both of them fresh all game and all season.  Right now, though, we just don't know yet.

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WAS RONNIE BROWN TRADE TALK JUST A NEGOTIATING PLOY?
One of the rumors that flew as the draft approached in April was that the Dolphins were at least putting feelers out to gauge interest in RB Ronnie Brown - whose contract expires following the 2009 season.

But NFL Network's Marshall Faulk told the Palm Beach Post that he isn't buying it - and that he sees that whole situation as Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland simply trying to gain leverage for contract talks with Ronnie:

“In all honesty, you have to love the way Bill Parcells works. How do you get a guy like that on the cheap with his contract (expiring) next year? You say you’re shopping him."

“If they wanted to move him, they could move him. What back in this year’s draft is as good as Ronnie Brown? There weren’t any. He’d be an upgrade on any of those teams that looked for help at that position in the draft.”

Marshall's theory makes sense.  Of course, Jeff Ireland did come out on draft day and shoot down those trade rumors.  But we'll never really know how much truth, if any, there were to them.  You can bet, however, that Ronnie's agent knows.

Like Faulk said, though.  If the Dolphins wanted to trade him, they could have traded him.  There would have been takers for Brown.  And that makes me think that Faulk's theory has more fact to it than fiction.  But Faulk did add that Ronnie doesn't have to take the bait here.  He knows that if he goes out and has a great 2009 season, he'll get his money - whether it's from Miami or from somebody else. 

The question then becomes how badly do the Dolphins want to keep Brown and how badly does Ronnie want to remain in Miami.  In an ideal world, the Dolphins would reach an agreement to extend Ronnie's contract prior to the 2009 season.  The Miami Herald speculates that following Will Allen's new deal, Brown and TE Anthony Fasano "could be next."  But the paper points out that the Dolphins haven't made Ronnie any offers yet.

QUICK HITS
-Armando Salguero wrote about how the Dolphins need Ted Ginn to be a true #1 receiver.  I disagree.  While it would be nice for Teddy to become that true #1 receiver that every team wants to have, I don't think a team needs a true #1 receiver.  This Dolphins team, in particular, doesn't need one because they seem to use different receiver packages for different situations.  And that can get the job done - assuming you have a receiving core with a wide range of abilities.  The Dolphins have just that.

-Edgar Thompson ponders something we touched on last week: which players should the Dolphins give extensions to?

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i can only hope

 that a one year contract turns into more

by 73dolphin on Jun 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post Matty

I think there are three important factors why JT won’t look 35 this coming season:
1- During his time in DC, he only had 50% tackles and 30% sacks compared to his last two seasons in Miami, plus half the snaps at best. This means that he is coming in with fresh legs compared to guys his age, say Jay Ferguson, that played almost all season at a high level.
2- There are two roles Jason could probably have, the first being for him to be a situational pass rusher, say 3rd&long passing situations, and second, like Matty points out, he could share snaps with Joe Porter. But one thing is for sure, he wont be an every down player. That should keep him fresh and ready to go.
3- Jason will take part on the off season workout program and the coaching staff’s military like workout regime. Last season we all saw how our players seemed to have and edge physically wise against their rivals. Jason should be no different.

About Ronnie, I think that he is just approaching his prime just in the time that we are beginning to have a solid O-Line and QB. It would be a shame to see him go break records with other teams. Moreover, I really believe that the RB position is kind of underpaid, like somebody else was saying on another post, you can sign a top notch running back in him prime for 5 years and 6 mill a year with some of the money at the end of the contract in case you want to cut him or remake the deal when the production starts to go downhill. If you asked me, this doesn’t seem that bad at all. 6mil a year will get you a good enough WR, LB or OT, but not an MVP caliber player. Thats what we’ve got in Ronnie.

by MauMontaV5 on Jun 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with pretty much everything you said lol

I see JT splitting time with Peezy, probably 50-50 on the weakside, to keep both fresh, and really get the most out of them (much easier to go all out when you know you’re getting a few plays off afterwards).

I also see them maximizing our pass rush by playing Porter and Taylor (and possibly Wake?) at the same time on passing downs. We could go with a nickel set, with the two of them at DE’s, or we can stay in the 3-4 and let both blitz off the edge from the LB position. Doesn’t really matter, but I think we’ll see a lot of plays with both of them getting after the QB.

As far as Ronnie, you’re right about the pay scale for RB’s being on the low end for the league, with Michael Turner getting a BLOCKBUSTER $6mil a year deal last season. I would be happy with a 4 yr, $24mil deal. But it really only matters what the Trifecta will be willing to pay for him. I have a feeling they’re gonna throw a low number at him at first, to see if they can get the stay-home discount, and work up to a number they think is fair. And I don’t think the fair number is $6mil a year, simply because I’m not sure if they want a RB near the top of the payscale. Hopefully negotiations, and a deal, get done though. I think Ronnie is the guy we need to keep, and add some weapons around him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i could see waiting halfway through the season to see how Ronnie performs

and then if he is playing like a pro bowler, signing him to a 24mil or so deal for 4 yrs. I posted this in another thread:

So re-sign Ronnie, if possible, to something like this:
A four-year, $25 million contract w/ $13 million guaranteed, including $7.85 million in signing and roster bonuses in the first two years, Ronnie’s first-year salary, and most of his second-year salary. 2009: $3.5 million, 2010: $3.65 million, 2011: $4.65 million, 2012: $4.9 million, 2013: Free Agent.

Cap charge: $5.5 million (2009).

It’s fair; nets him ~6.25 M/yr, guarantees him two yrs, manageable cap; worst case cap scenario – if he is cut in 2010, the cap hit is ~7.5M.

AND, it retains him at a fair price for his most valuable years, without paying a premium on the years in which his value will decline. If he does well after 3, you resign him again, but at a lower "per year" rate.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just sorta see Ronnie as an "emmitt smith" type as he declines.

steady, pound it out, kind of guy. Even when we get a RB of the future, he can probably still play a role on the team (if he doesn’t get injured again).

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you never know

he may have 5 great years left, too valuable a talent to let go, we just got to hitch our cart to this guy and enjoy the ride:>)

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by uncle finster on Jun 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i tend to agree, but i am not going to drink the kool aid either

the potential is too good to let go, but to date, it is just potential.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me it is based on what he's done

on the teams he’s been on. He has produced where most backs would not have IMO, and if we put a good line in front of him, he’s gonna tear it up. I have high hopes this year:>)

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by uncle finster on Jun 1, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The San Diego Chargers were 5-11 in 2001

only three worse teams in the league. The line allowed 41 sacks.
LT’s stats:

Att – Yds - Yds/Att Long - TD
339 - 1236 - 3.6 - – 54 – 10

In 1997 and 1998, the Colts went 3-13, both seasons.
Marshal Faulks stats those two years:

264 1,054 4.0 45 7
324 1,319 4.1 68 6

I don’t agree. I think good backs find a way to produce.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but look at the carry numbers there also..

Ronnie never went over 300 carries. In fact, he’s never gone over 241. The year he had 241 (2006), he gained 1008 yards, and his YPC was better than both of Faulk’s seasons and LT’s season that you list. And, in 2007, our worst year, Ronnie was at 5.1 per carry before being hurt. So I think he has produced on bad teams, just hasn’t gotten the workload to put up 1000yd seasons like those two guys.

The one year he was given the entire workload, he was dominant, on a TERRIBLE football team, until his injury (2007). I think he has found a way to produce, and I think he could easily put up huge numbers if he was given the 300+ carries that other workhorse backs get. Do I think he’ll get those numbers? No. Because I think he’ll be more effective in the 250-280 range, where he can still wear defenses down on a game-to-game basis, but doesn’t wear himself down with a HUGE workload.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 1, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Notice the dip in YPC – a measure of how efficient a RB is.

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by Matty I on Jun 1, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a little harsh, lefty.

Stats aren’t always the whole story and he’s the perfect example of that. The bottom line is that Ronnie is a damn good football player and with him healthy we will win games. He is in great shape already and there is not another player that I think would be a better option for us at this point.

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by AussieKen on Jun 1, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not harsh, but I agree it doesn't tell the whole story

i just get amazed at those who make excuses for him. I believe if he stays healthy, he can be a premiere back, but the truth is that 1) he has not, so far, stayed healthy, and 2) he has not, so far, proved that he is elite. The history of the NFL is littered with many who had “potential” but who fate decided would never reach that potential, and would instead fade into obscurity.

I hope he can fulfill his potential.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie Brown has already proven that he is a very good back. He may or may not have great seasons the next few years, but the only thing that can stop him is injuries. He’s not just a “potential” guy like say…Brandon London, for instance who hasn’t done anything as a WR. (Gasp!, yes I said it, LOL!)

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by AussieKen on Jun 1, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's it!

you are officially black listed by the B.L.B.W.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 2, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great info

I still beleive we are in for great year in Sacks, maybe not as good as the 84 Bears with 72 sacks, but i think we get close with 69(yes that number does have a ring to it). The breakdown

Porter (fresher legs with some help from taylor/wake) 18.5 sacks
Taylor (not always double team’d with Porter/Wake on the other side) 16 sacks → CPOY
Roth (2nd year in this position thus more sacks) 10.5 sacks
Other Defensive lineman (Ferguson, Kendall, etc..) 8 sacks
Interior Linebackers ( yes you guys) 7 sacks
CBs, Safeties ( yessum, I like me some speed on the edges) 9 sacks

As for new contracts – Its a game of cat and mouse isnt it. Have the players in their last year work their butts off
and really perform and pay them the big bucks(Ronnie/Bess/Fasano) all deserve or sign them prior to their last year and risk them getting injured. We are in for a great year….

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by Phintastic on Jun 1, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FYI

Wake’s #s are included in the other D lineman sack numbers, he might actually end up with all 8.

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by Phintastic on Jun 1, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a very optimistic number

especially the 10.5 for Roth, who may not even get 10.5 opportunities for sacks with Taylor and Porter and Wake all probably playing the bulk of passing downs. Also, our ILB’s had 0 sacks last year, and they’re all the same people. 7 is probably a bit high for them.

I like the 9 from DB’s, but we may not blitz them as much this year because of the added pressure from our OLB’s (from Taylor and Wake, mostly).

Overall, I think your projections are high for all of them, except the DL. But, I’d love for you to be right because A) it means our pass rush is AWESOME, and B) it means teams are passing a lot, meaning we’re ahead a lot, meaning we’re probably winning a lot :-)

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 1, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm an optimist

As for the ILB, i’m hoping they mix it up a little bit with Taylor , Wake and Porter and then sometimes blitzing the ILB, like they did with Zack once in awhile. Keep those Offensive Linemen from cheating too much.

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by Phintastic on Jun 1, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well!

JT! He will be use properlly!
About MF(Faulk) saying anything about football contracts and listening to him is as listening to a kid about doing your taxes! He is an idiot!
And Salguero is another idiot!!, saying that Bess is not making the roster? quote"he also is not guaranteed a roster spot." That the dumbest thing ever!!
Good thread tho! but a lot of idiots talking about stuff they dont know sh***

If the future of RB is with us, that is only known by the trifecta, that is if Sparano knows about it!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jun 1, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well..

Marshall dealt with quite a few contracts in his lifetime, and he was also traded once, so I think he’s qualified to talk about NFL contracts and leveraging strategies. I’d much rather listen to Faulk than, say, John Clayton the Alien, or Mike Florio lol.

And nobody’s guaranteed a roster spot, save for a few exceptions (Jake Long, Vernon Carey, Chad Henne), and Bess is no exception. While I’m almost 100% positive he WILL make the team, it’s not a foregone conclusion, because that’s not how these guys operate. If the other WR’s on the roster outplay him through camp and preseason, I don’t think they’d hesitate to replace him. Now, do I think that will happen? No. But the article doesn’t say that Bess won’t make the squad, just that he’s still gotta work and earn his spot just like everybody else.

And yes, Armando is an idiot, no matter what he writes lol
Good to see you back around, bud!

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 1, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see the trifecta doing a trade

with any of our receivers if they they think they are talent heavy. Just hope it’s doesnt turn out to be a Welker or Chambers type talent.

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by Phintastic on Jun 1, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha in the mood for giving feedback huh?

Haha yeah I agree about Bess. The thing with him is that for the next couple off seasons if not his whole career, he will always have to swim against the current. Why? Well because the man is like 4"10 and doesn’t have blazing speed. However, he indeed is a gifted wide receiver as we all saw last season. Great route runner, great hands, work ethic and more importantly; relentless and fierce-less. The one that worries me is Ginn, I was watching the replay tonight of the second game against NE and he dropped 2 passes because he felt the safety breathing on his neck. The man is afraid of his own shadow and I dont like that. For Henne and years to come I have no doubt he’ll be a great long threat, but I dont see him developing into a #1 receiver in this league. All the luck to Bess, he should be much improved his sophmore year.

by MauMontaV5 on Jun 1, 2009 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bess should be a given on this team!

That anyone can be cut! thats part of the game, but to say or doub someone like Bess to make the team is DUMB!!!

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by Aleta on Jun 1, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bess has to

make this team, it gives all the other UDFA’s optimism and hope of being able to make the team by working hard and proving yourself. I’m thinking we have 2 additonal UDFAs make this team this year. You know, I like em me some UDFAs.

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by Phintastic on Jun 1, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not doubting that he'll make the team

just saying it’s not a guarantee. I fully expect him to be on the team, because I believe that he’s a good WR and he won’t have a Wilford-type egg-laying session (which would probably get him cut).

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 1, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have been around Lil Nick!!

Just that the Magics are draining me out!!
Sorry guys!! not a Heat fan, but im a Marlins and Panthers fan ; )

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by Aleta on Jun 1, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JT will make his presence felt, he's got all the moves

the R&R boys are gonna have big years, and this in particular I think is a truism ……

I don’t think a team needs a true #1 receiver. This Dolphins team, in particular, doesn’t need one because they seem to use different receiver packages for different situations. And that can get the job done – assuming you have a receiving core with a wide range of abilities. The Dolphins have just that.
Martin 14.5ypr, Cobbs 14.5ypr and Fasano 13.3ypr, the hands the R&R boys have, that is Well Said.

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by uncle finster on Jun 1, 2009 2:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But Faulk did add that Ronnie doesn't have to take the bait here. He knows that if he goes out and has a great 2009 season, he'll get his money - whether it's from Miami or from somebody else.

Like i predicted in an ealier post….Ronnie is going to have a great season and is going to warrent a large pay increase. I just dont see it happening with this regime. I think he gets traded in 2010

by dlux2561 on Jun 1, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be a terrible trade

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by Patssuck456 on Jun 1, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

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by Foy on Jun 1, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read the same article about JT, and Trace is the guy I have always been reminded of

You could always count on Trace to produce when you really needed it.

But about Brown, this really is faulty logic:

Like Faulk said, though. If the Dolphins wanted to trade him, they could have traded him. There would have been takers for Brown. And that makes me think that Faulk’s theory has more fact to it than fiction.

That’s like saying that “if the Dolphins wanted to trade out of the overall #2 spot in the draft, they could have”. Anyone remember the LOOONG debate prior to that draft? In order to trade you need – A) a trading partner, B) who is willing to give fair value.
Anyone who says the Fins didn’t want to trade out of that spot was not paying attention. And sure, if they had wanted to take 7th rounder, I’m SURE they could have found a trading partner, right? But no team with any smarts is going to just give away their assets.

So to make the statement about Ronnie, “If the Dolphins wanted to trade him, they could have traded him.” is misleading.

If the Dolphins had wanted to take a 7th rounder, sure they could have traded him. But to get fair value for a running back is difficult. They usually hit their stride early, in thier 1st or 2nd year, and then depreciate rapidly. Years 3, 4, and 5, tend to be a good RBs most productive seasons. Their effective lifespan tends to be around 8 years. Not that they can’t be productive after that, but they are usually on the decline and no longer considered “elite”.
Faulk’s 8th season was his last 1000 yd season. LT, who is better than Faulk ever was, just completed his 8th season (over 1100 yds and 11 TDs), and (in spite of the fact that he has been one of the most durable backs to play the game) had to settle for a 3 yr, 17 million extension – because of expectations that he “no longer has it”.

And Ronnie Brown? In his first 4 seasons, he has broken 1000 yds only once. You say he was injured; I say lack of durability (LT has missed 1 game in 8 years). Ronnie has scored more than 5 TDs only once; Faulk went 10 seasons before he had a year in which he scored less than 7 (LT has never scored less than 10 TDs).
If you, or Ronnie, want to consider Ronnie an “elite” back, he should show us some “elite” numbers. Until then, he is all about potential, and if history holds true he only has 4, maybe 5 “elite” level years left.

So, how do you value that? Do you really think another team is going to come along and offer 1st round picks for “potential”? As much as the Fins might have wanted to trade him, I seriously doubt they would get any offer worth his potential.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

please explain how this works.

Ronnie is a free Agent in 2010. How do we trade him without signing him to a contract first? Are you counting on the CBA not being renewed? Or the Fins paying the money needed to not void the contract?
I just don’t see either of these things happening.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent points.

Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.

by joel311 on Jun 1, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

i didn’t know there was a bandwagon. =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The wheels have come off that bandwagon

and used for kindling, to start a cow chip fire lol

I’ll give Joel311 credit for keeping it in his sig though, I like it when you stand behind what you say, so its all in good fun:>)

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by uncle finster on Jun 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JT will play well this year

Mainly because he won’t be counted on to play every down. He’s proven he can play both DE and OLB in the 3-4, so he can be subbed in by/play along side Merling, Langford, Wake, Porter, etc.. Now he’ll finally have the kind of pass rush support he had with Ogunleye in ‘02-’03 (31.5 sacks those two seasons). As for Brown, if the Dolphins can get him for the home town discount (between $5-$7 mil per) they will probably re-sign him and draft his replacement in next years draft. But if he gets greedy, and thinks he’s worth more than what he’s produced, Parcells will let him go.

by luvs2drnk on Jun 2, 2009 6:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

$7mil is not a hometown discount...

that’s a huge RB contract. I hope he takes a hometown discount too, but it needs be >$5mil a year for it to really be a “discount” lol.

And I don’t ever recall JT playing DE in the 3-4. He’s never been that big, and for most of his career in Miami, we played a 4-3 scheme. In fact, if I remember correctly, last year was the first year we used a 3-4 scheme. CamCam brought in some 3-4 personnel in 07 (Porter) and ran a 4-3 (idiot)..

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

greater than $5mil a year????

that doesn’t sound like much of a discount.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 3, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol worth it?

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by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

was supposed to be <$5mil a year lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jun 5, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOOOhhhhhh....

THAT makes more sense!
=)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 8, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Saban also had a 3-4 ,4-3 hybrid

that we played, as a matter of fact he mentioned it in that NFL network piece the other day, wait hold it… .

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by uncle finster on Jun 3, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really was it worth all that effort to copy and paste this…instead of just saying “lol”

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at me look at me!

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever you say butthead

I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
Official Leader of the Trade for Kenny Britt Bandwagon
Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.
Check it out.Front Paged - Class of 08. and 09.
Finsx-LOL-Chart by KCsince88

by finsxfactor on Jun 3, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In JT's last year for the Dolphins (before the trade)

We ran a 4-3, 3-4 hybrid using both schemes. When they went to a 3-4, JT played both the DE and the OLB positions. It enabled them to put him all over the field, and to get mismatches. As for the $5-$7 mil hometown discount for Ronnie Brown, I probably overstated it a bit. After further research, it would seem to me from Browns past production, he needs to take a significant pay cut. He’s already being paid as one of the top 5 backs in the league, but has yet to produce the numbers to warrant continued payment at that level. He may think he deserves it, but until he can prove it Parcells isn’t likely to pay it.

by luvs2drnk on Jun 4, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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