Talking Brian Hartline

He can be a stud gunner on ST (which being a headcase is actually a good thing for) and he could still turn into a solid 3rd or 4th stringer/injury starter.

The one thing we know about or FO, is that they value players who can contribute in different ways. From the looks of it, Hartline will be able to do so.

What he says about Hartline completely contradicts every scouting report out there. Not being tough? Problematic? In the world`s eyes Hartline is completely the antithesis of what Sam is describing. I`ll trust our scouting department and Front Office on this one.
Dont contradict yourself though Matty, you were the first one to say that :

Yes – we heard some good things from minicamp. But David Neal said it best when he wrote:

And you want to know what we’ve learned from this thing called ``Dolphins rookie minicamp?’’ Nothing of substance. Because there is little of substance to be learned.

It’s a minicamp, people. It’s shadowboxing compared with the sparring sessions that are preseason games and the weekly Thrilla in Manilas that are NFL games.

So whats my take on Brian Heartline? Do I think you are crazy for questioning his selection in the 4th round?

We will cross that bridge when we come to it, and thats going to be until we see him play in a NFL game in a Dolphins uniform. As to him being a headcase, again, we will see as time progresses, but until then, it is pretty much useless speculation.

We will have Penne or Henne gunning the ball like they do down at Texas Tech, or have Pat White running a more option style Spread. Either way we need 3-5 receivers who will create separation from coverage. Judging by Hartline’s initial speed out of the gate you may see what we were going for. I think this kinda solidifies the route our offense is heading in a few years. 4th round pick, but we have as it seems one of the most agile receivers in the draft. I’m still putting my trust in this pick.

He will return our kicks? I posted a fanshot and it was the first time i noticed he has great explosion as a returner. Bess is a safe returner…but i cant see him EVER breaking a long one unless its wide open. Id personally rather see Ginn return anything that flys…but Hartline would be a nice upgrade there. His attitude is a non-issue to me because if he pulls that shit with men 10 years older than him…..or THESE coaches…his ass will be selling oranges on the side of the freeway.

So if the kid…

A) Returns kicks
B)Covers kicks like a madman
C)Fills in as the final WR

thats ok i guess….i still believe we shoudla waited. if he is there in the 6th rd then thats fantastic value….but a lot of good players were left…this is where the draft starting getting me PISSED. but as i looked into the guys i got over it.

Personally Macho Harris woulda looked a lot better at this pick…i mean cmon. He retruns kicks like a badass too.

Turner and Hartline could very well be the Hilliard and Parmele of this years draft. The FO picked em for potential. We’ll see if they live up to it when people stop being polite and start getting real… The Real World.

I admit I don’t know as much about Hartline as I do about the other drafted WR, Turner, but from what little research I’ve done the pick seems to be a head-scratcher. Not because he’s a guaranteed bust or anything, just that I would’ve expected a more appropriate position/need filled here, not back-to-back receivers. The current WR corps is totally underrated, and I like trying to add depth to that group, but I would’ve expected an OLB in the 4th instead. Guess they had a different draft board though, so we’ll see how it pans out.

The whole time before the draft about half of Phinsider was yelling we need a LB, or WR. Everyone was ready to totally get rid of Crowder because he wanted too much money. This draft solidfies how happy our FO is with our LB’s, OL, and DL situations. We know CB needed improvement and we got it. For some reason though the same is not thought about our WR’s. I think Hartline will be a great Slot Receiver/Returner and he will have a chance to focus on those aspects of his game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL1w20RitHo

I found this video with Hartline and Robiskie (sorry Robiskie Bandwagon) and you can see how Hartline opened up the center of the field. He’s not afraid to go across the middle and you see some double moves where he creates almost 5 yards of separation. Getting him in the 4th round was maybe not a steal, but it was the right round for him. For those that think he was a reach, I guess we’ll see in a few months.

but digging deeper it makes a bit more sense to me. First of all, his YPC average is out of this world at 22 YPC. Despite having exactly HALF the receptions of Brian Robiskie (21 vs 42) he put up 479 yards to Robiskie’s 535. He also had exactly half the TDs so his scoring to touches ratio is the same.

And like Matty said- OSU just didn’t throw all that much- this year they only threw 267 passes- which is anemic even for Ohio State (for comparison they threw 329 passes last year when he had 52 rec for 694 yards and 6 TDs).

Compare that to Texas Tech who threw an astounding 662 passes last year. If you carry Hartline’s percentages over to the TTU offense he would have had 60 receptions for 1320 yards and 11 TDs- which most people would probably be happy with in the 4th round.

IMO he saw a huge stock hit by the decision of OSU to go with Pryor instead of Boeckman and the drop off in passing that followed (honestly that may be why he left school early in the first place as a lot of players didn’t like the benching of a Sr for a hotshot freshman from what I read). Some people have gone so far as to compare him to Tony Gonzales, which I don’t really see- but I don’t think we got a raw deal in the 4th or anything. The only thing that worries me is the headcase part as I know there was a

And for those who wanted Duke Robinson- when Phil Loadholt was asked on the radio which fellow lineman he would take to the pros with him if he could – he didn’t choose Duke- but the other guard whose name I can’t even remember right now. I think Robinson just got severly hyped up on this site – but he probably wouldn’t have been an upgrade over anything we have right now.

Am I crazy for seriously questioning his selection in the fourth round?

Bruce, you are certifiably crazy for many different reasons, but questioning the pick of Hartline is NOT one of them. It seems to me that he is just a clone of WR’s that we already have (Bess, Camarillo).

From scarlet & grey to aqua & coral………..my heart pounds with anticipation for the upcoming season !!!!

How you guys can get so deep in your opinions & analysis is beyond me. One might think that there are a bunch of undercover scout/coaches here. Give 60 minutes of ball to the wall on Sunday and I’m happy………….THE OFFSEASON SUCKS ASS !

Yes. Yes you are.

In fact, I’d say that anyone is crazy to question any pick made by our FO and coaches. Ok, sure, they don’t make ALL of the right decisions (Wilford) but they do make MOST of them. And that’s a lot better then at least 29 other NFL teams, in my opinion.

But if Turner, Hartline, and White eventually become Plaxico Burress (Turner), Antwan Randle-El (Hartline), and Hines Ward (White), they will be well worth the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th especially if none of the highly regarded OLBs from the draft don’t turn out to be all that.

If iam not mistaking didnt we sign London to an extension?

So iam confused why we keep signing #2-#4 WR. Dont we already have lots of them.I understand that we want competition between our players.Shouldnt we be looking for a true #1 or are we relying on Ginn to be come that?

his cone drill, is brobably the (kicker) in this situation teams should be looking exspressly at just the cones, when looking for a slot reciver? i also like the big blocking ability in our joe gun wild-pat, london can’t block as good. bess & ginn, lol ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!