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Vontae Davis: Not who "they" say he is

With all of the excitement, discussion, and debate over the selection of Pat White in round two of the NFL Draft, it seems like the Dolphins' first round selection - Vontae Davis - has been overlooked.

Well that ends now - at least within our community.  Afterall, the Dolphins were able to land the draft's most physically talented cornerback with the 25th pick thanks to some "character concerns" - which we'll touch on in a moment.  But let's talk about his physical ability first.

At 5'11, 203 pounds, Davis is a beast of a corner.  He's a guy who can run with virtually any receiver (ran a 4.49 40 at the Combine and improved that to 4.40 at his pro day).  But what I like best about Davis is his physical play.  He's a solid tackler who will lay out players with a big hit when the opportunity presents itself.  But more importantly, his strength and physicality really seems to help him in coverage.  He can get a solid jam at the line of scrimmage and redirect the receiver.  And like WR Anthony Armstrong said this past weekend following minicamp, "Vontae, when he gets his hands on you, he can control you."

For more on Vontae, I turned to Joe from Hail to the Orange - SBN's Illinois blog - to share some thoughts on their former corner:

Vontae was by far the most reliable player on the defense last year. Speed, even at NFL levels, will not be a problem for Vontae; he has always been the most reliable coverage DB on the Illini - but given the rest of the secondary last year, that might not mean much.

Vontae was briefly considered for a move over to safety last year, because of the problems the team had with stopping the run. If anything, this illustrates the best facet of his game, his physicality. Even against the bigger, stronger receivers, Vontae will not be pushed off of coverage, or be very easily blocked. Also, Vontae tends to hit very hard (evidence here).

As for "character issues" - until he declared for the draft, I had never heard of anything like that. He has always gotten along with Ron Zook, and when the false reports of him testing positive for THC came out, no one went to bat for him more than Zook.

Sometimes I wonder if people just assume that because his brother Vernon has had trouble with coaches, Vontae has the same issues. Any problems you guys have with him will come as a total surprise to me.

So what is with this belief that Vontae has "character concerns"?  It's believed that this whole entire mess started when Illinois head coach Ron Zook pulled Davis off of the practice field one day because he didn't think Vontae was practicing as hard as he could be.  As a result, Davis sat out of the first few plays in that week's game against Iowa.

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But that same coach who pulled Vontae from practice is the same one who has been adamantly defending Vontae and shooting down this idea that Davis is a "prima donna with an inflated ego who talks down to coaches and doesn't like to practice" - at least, according to "draft experts."  Says Zook:

''That's not anywhere close to true. I know how that stuff started. I've always coached my best players the hardest. There was one day last season he wasn't practicing as hard as he could practice and I threw him off the field...We couldn't treat him differently from other players.''

Zook adds:

''I love the kid -- he's like my son. He worked as hard as anyone I've coached. Vontae is a great person, will do whatever he's asked. He's very coachable, was well-respected here. When the rumor came out about failing a drug test, even our players said no way he would do that.''

Though Zook was trying to teach Vontae a lesson about always going all-out and never slacking - even during practice - he admits that he might not have done what he did if he knew the stir it would have created:

"If I would've known that it would've caused all this, I might not have done it. He's like my son. I would never do anything to hurt him."

So what kind of kid is Vontae Davis off of the field?  Mike Locksley, an assistant coach at Illinois, says of Davis:

''He didn't have a lot of life outside of football and study hall. If you see him, he probably has his Bible with him. He's a strong, spiritual kid.''

Indeed, religion and spirituality has been a big part of Vontae's life - thanks to his grandmother.  Adaline Davis raised Vontae, as well as his brother Vernon and five more grandchildren.  And despite her small size (5'5), Vontae says she was "a hard-nosed lady."

Perhaps Vontae would then credit her with instilling in him a sense of responsibility.  While many "draft experts" doubted Vontae's work ethic, a fellow student of Vontae's, Allyson Kloster, writes this about Davis:

Dear Vontae Davis,
You don’t know me, but we have something in common. Twice a week last semester, we sat in the same room and learned about political science — me toward the front of the room, you in the very last row. Every Monday and Wednesday I fell in love with you. Not because of your athletic, six-foot frame (sorry, that’s about all I remember of you because I lack eyes on the back of my head), but because you actually showed up to class.

Although fall semester was a long way away from last week’s NFL Draft, it was common knowledge that you’d get drafted and make the big bucks. So, showing up to class was not really necessary. But you still did.

Call me crazy, but I this seems like a far cry from the perception all those draft gurus painted for us about Davis leading up to the draft.  Yeah - I'll trust Allyson on this one.

So what kind of player on the field will Vontae turn out to be?  We know his goal this year - not for his career, but just for this year - is to be the defensive player of the year.  Seems like he is setting the bar high, but who am I to argue with him?

Ron Zook clearly thinks highly of him:

Zook said there's ''no question'' Davis ''can start from Day One'' and has All-Pro potential. In 30 years coaching -- including in the NFL -- the only defensive back Zook coached ''with that kind of ability is Rod Woodson,'' the ex-Steelers All-Pro.

While we know it's impossible to predict how a player will perform at this level, it really seems like Davis has a chance to be known as an absolute draft day steal in a few years.  Players who possess this kind of talent shouldn't fall to the 25th pick.

I guess we should just all thank those "draft experts" - they made this all possible.

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by finsxfactor on May 5, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha

Love it.

Almost as much as I love Vontae Davis. I’m sorry for jumping the gun but I already view this as the steal of the draft.

We may have gotten two of the steals of the draft if Smith performs as well as we expect him to, and maybe even three of them if Clemons does the same.

No homo.

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by Dave.Phuller on May 5, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well done, Matty

Thanks for the info…been great post-draft coverage. Keep it up.

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by David Dwork on May 5, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think the "character issues"

Are actually a big deal to most teams. People (like Mel Kiper, oh god i hate him) kept red-flagging Percy Harvin as well because of a positive marijuana test.

I don’t think that a small indiscretion is really going to make a team that needs a certain type of player reconsider their top choice. It’s just something they make sure to address. Davis will be fine, because it’s clear that the FO is going to instill a strong work ethic in every player, and that’s the only concern I have ever heard about Davis.

The more likely reason for his draft fall is that few teams are willing to take corners and safeties high in the draft, and many of the middle teams had more pressing concerns.

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by ocelotfox on May 5, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

well there are character issues and then there is just plaing

stupid… how you fail a drug test when you know the date of the test months in advance is beyond me…

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by W NY Fins Fan on May 5, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by finsxfactor on May 5, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

i look forward to you joinin us for the routine non-sensary messin around (lol i had another way to say it but it wouldnt have been appropriate)

dont be a stranger

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by finsxfactor on May 5, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

for sure

much easier now that b-ball season is (sob) over.

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by David Dwork on May 5, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

CRAZY

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by Rzayo24 on May 5, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you say so

But I still think these things get overblown. Unless you’ve been arrested, I don’t think it’s a huge deal off-field, and unless your old coach and fellow players hate you, I don’t think it’s a huge deal on the field.

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by ocelotfox on May 5, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol says YOU!

I feel like I learn more during the off-season. Widens my knowledge of the team, new players, etc. The season is obviously more exciting, but I like getting to know my team. This site absolutely helps, thanks to Matty and all you awesome Fan Posters.

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by David Dwork on May 5, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheers to the Future

Great Read.

I really hope the best for Vontae and if his “issues” are a thing of the past or never have been than thats great. For the most part I think these “issues” were draft BS that we always hear about … just look at Randy Moss and Warren Sapp and you can see how well this might workout for us.

The best way to put it is that I am finally feeling a bit at ease facing such tough WR that the AFC East presents itself with … lets just hope that Vontae and Mr. Smith can be an answer for years to come.

by markus_13 on May 5, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

He seems like a good guy.

I just want to see him kick some azz this summer in camp and through the season. He truly was one of the very few guys in the draft who could step right in a start for us, so it was a good pick. It was also cool that he wanted to be a Dolphin. He was pretty happy on that phone call, LOL!

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by AussieKen on May 5, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Vontae

I am not worried about the kid. His goal is Defensive Rookie of the Year and I’m rooting for him every step of the way

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on May 5, 2009 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm glad he's a fin...

Couldn’t have been any better situation for Vontae, and for the Dolphins. Good Luck Rookie!! :p

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by Heater OsE on May 5, 2009 2:34 AM EDT reply actions  

heard that

of all the teams that needed a CB in this year’s draft, miami is definitely the best spot for davis. he’ll be much better than andre goodman ever was by the end of the year— seriously, he is top-ten talent. there’s a lot of solid defensive competition for him in this year’s draft, though, so i’m not sure about defensive ROY…

still it was a steal for him to fall all the way to miami.

by jful on May 5, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our Secondary

Our secondary is a huge improvement from last year. The only games I was scared of was with big dominate receivers (Texans, Cards) b/c our secondary would get toasted. Now I’m totally confident in our defense and our offense will be unpredictable in the first two quarters and steamrolling you in the second half with our power oline and the Ronnie and Ricky show.

Here’s to a two year turn around. Amazing. Thanks Parcells!

by gophish on May 5, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Great write-up Matty

Well said!

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by Mosul_DolFan on May 5, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting claim

considering Sean Smith appears to be outplaying him at the moment.

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by joel311 on May 5, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt say that

Both rookies looked very good last weekend.

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by Patssuck456 on May 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the pick

like you said Matty, he’s the best CB, physically, in this draft class, and he’s a tough hombre in coverage and in run support. And, since the draft, all I’ve heard is that he’s a good kid, does all the right things, and competes hard. That’s all I want. I’m really excited to see him on the field this year.

Between him and Sean Smith, we may have found our next Surtain-Madison combo (high expectations, I know) in the same draft.

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by Little Nicky 21 on May 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree 100% I can't wait to see this cats in action

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by Foy on May 5, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda Weird...

that I’m very happy that the team got V.D.

Think of the possibilities of using this call sign in a game!

VD caused the fumble.
VD dragged him down.
VD disrupted the play.

Ah. And a favorite combo………………. VD in the Wild Ass spread.

by Alpha6 on May 5, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

After reading everything

his “character” issues seem to be a mirage, and listening to him he really sounds like a good kid(after getting over the chuckles), but I would stress to everybody not to be disappointed, IF he or Smith don’t start right away, most CBs don’t, even among the greats, It would not be a need for concern for either player(just our pass D).
I really really REALLY hope he is one of the guys who can start right out of the gate, but if we must, then we have to be patient, because for every Cromartie there is an Asomughe, Surtain, and Madison:>)

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by uncle finster on May 5, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Physicality

I have followed the Fins since 1971 and we have never had a corner more physical than this guy. We have had a few good corners but no one like Vontae. In addition, I believe that our secondary could be the best that we have ever had. Our safeties have the potential to be as good as Jake Scott and Dick Anderson. Combine that with Vontae Davis and Will Allen plus Sean Smith, Eric Green, and Clemons and this could be the best secondary ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by sundevil11 on May 5, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on May 6, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Emphasis on “could” . I have heard VERY mixed opinions on the percieved physicality of VD. Mostly I hear he shys away from contact. Here, I read he’s a head hunting contact crazy freak. strange.

by BuffaloChip on May 7, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

out of curiosity

where have you heard VD shys away from contact? If anything, that’s Sean Smith. He isn’t exactly a great tackler.

by Matty I on May 7, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Vontae is Half the problem

Vernon is, ie, a prima donna with a supreme sense of entitlement, a loud mouth with a poor work ethic, then yous guys are in trouble. Having lived in SF for the last two years (no rainbow flags here, sorry fish-fans) I have seen and read about almost everything Vernon has done. He’s a jerk. By definition.

 For your sake I hope he isnt like Vernon. For the Bills’ sake, I hope he is everything and more. Good luck with Owens and Evans.

Peace.

by BuffaloChip on May 7, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Is a BuffaloChip the same as a BisonPatty

what are Bills, and if you are Bills, why is there a Bison on your helmet, I mean your FROM Buffalo, your not THE Buffalos, and if you are named after Buffalo Bill, wasn’t there only one of him? Just curious, oh and by the way good luck with Team Obliterator, your probably going to need it.

ps Brian Cox RULES!!!!!!!!!!

“I don’t like the Buffalo Bills as a team, I don’t like them as people, I don’t like the city, I don’t like the people in the city,” he was quoted in USA Today as saying in the days before that game. “And I don’t like their organization.”
All in good fun:>) see ya on the field BC


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by uncle finster on May 7, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bills are mouths on ducks.

or what the cable company sends you after too much adult on demand.

by BuffaloChip on May 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol lol LOL

Nicely done!!! But the question still remains lol


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by uncle finster on May 7, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

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