3 Up and 3 Down
Like I said last week, our new offseason Thursday feature will be "3 Up and 3 Down" - where I look at some topic and give three positives and three negatives. With today's organized team activity being open to the media, meaning we'll get another chance to hear about the players, I thought it would be a good idea to talk about how the 53 man roster might shape up.
Last year, the Dolphins got big contributions from two undrafted free agents - Davone Bess and Dan Carpenter. So let's focus on which undrafted free agents could make the biggest splash in 2009. And that will be followed by three players who were on the 53 man roster last season but whose days might be numbered in Miami.
THREE UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS WHO COULD MAKE AN IMPACT
1. Louis Ellis, NT - Measuring in at 6'2, 320 pounds, Ellis has the physical build and the necessary strength to play the nose in Miami's 3-4 defense. Undrafted out of Shaw University, a Division II school, Ellis is strong but also has the agility needed to play the position. However, he's very raw and will need technique work as well as improved conditioning if he wants to become Jason Ferguson's future replacement - a job the Dolphins desperately want to fill by 2010. Click here to check out a scouting report on Ellis from SI.com.
2. Orion Martin, OLB - Martin was a defensive end at Virginia Tech, but at 6'2, 260 pounds, he's the perfect "DE to OLB" conversion player. He's strong and has decent speed. While he tallied 14 sacks and 23.5 tackles for a loss over the past 2 seasons at VT, Martin fits more as a strongside outside linebacker (a la Matt Roth) rather than as a pass rusher. He's a smart player as well, with a good football IQ. The key stat with Martin is how unsuccessful teams were in college at throwing in the direction of Martin when Martin was asked to drop back into coverage - completing just 19% of their passes thrown into Martin's area with a 1.15 yards per attempt.
3. J.D. Quinn, G - Quinn is a guy who has a lot of talent but carries some baggage with him into the NFL. It's been well documented since the Dolphins signed him that Quinn was dismissed from Oklahoma, despite having early success as a Sooner, for accepting money that he didn't earn from a car dealership. He transferred to Montana to finish his college career. But it's pretty clear that Quinn has a less than likeable personality (see this video) and has had problems with alcohol. But you can't deny Quinn's ability to play football and, following the injury to Donald Thomas, Quinn instantly has a chance to make an impression on a new coaching staff. He'll be a player to watch as this offseason progresses.
THREE VETERANS WHOSE DAYS COULD BE NUMBERED
1. Quentin Moses, OLB - Moses will be entering his third season in the NFL and he has yet to show any kind of reason as to why he should remain in the NFL. Last season, Moses was active for 12 games - mostly as a special teamer - and recorded three tackles. With the return of Jason Taylor, the successful conversion to OLB by Matt Roth, and the additions Orion Martin and Tearrius George, there isn't really much room on the roster for a guy like Moses.
2. Jason Allen, CB - Allen is entering his fourth season in the NFL and it's getting very close to the time (if it isn't the time already) to being able to call Jason a 100% bust. This is definitely Allen's final chance to prove himself to Miami's coaching staff. With the free agent signing of Eric Green and the drafting of Vontae Davis and Sean Smith, it's clear that Allen's role in 2009 will be limited even if he remains on the roster. He'll likely be battling with guys like Nate Jones and Joey Thomas for the 5th corner spot. The Dolphins could potentially keep six corners - especially if they can made contributions on special teams. But one thing is certain about Allen right now - he's clearly on the roster bubble as training camp approaches.
3. Rodrique Wright, DE - Wright is entering his fourth season with the Dolphins and will be a free agent following the season. He missed all of the '06 season recovering form a shoulder injury he suffered in college. Last year, Wright was inactive for all 16 games, but was active for the playoff game against Baltimore. Whatever happens to Randy Starks could play a role in Wright's future in Miami, but this Dolphins regime has brought in a number of defensive ends over the past two offseasons - including Kendall Langford, Phillip Merling, Lionel Dotson, and Tony McDaniel - which could make it tough for Wright to keep his roster spot.
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the more i hear about ellis, the more i like him.
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by BULLieving in Miami on May 28, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions
talk about a cinderella story. way to be first buddy. gratz
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by finsxfactor on May 28, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jason Allen will stick around.
I don’t think he’ll be a guy matching up one on one too many times, but I think he’s still the best option in a “zone” nickel pakage because of his experience. He also should be one of the better options on special teams, so that should get him to the game day roster. If they didn’t like him or think he would contribute the front office would have gotten rid of him already, because they are mean and nasty. (and I like it!)
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I agree
He may not be the best man-to-man coverage guy, but he’s a decent zone coverage back. He’s also the best tackling DB we got, no offense to Bell. Allen has started to show flashes of his true potential the past two seasons, and if he can become consistent, could become a perfect nickel/dime/special teams contributor.
100% agreement
Love the scouting report on Ellis, some of the guys who were drafted had worse reports, from the same source, and it seemed they were reaching for reasons on the con side, when they say he “lacks a closing burst” LOL he’s a 6-2, 320lb NT, the only closing burst he’s likely to have, is after thanksgiving dinner when he tries to close his pants and the button flies off and someone loses an eye.
They say he physically dominated in college, just overpowering and driving guys into the backfield, despite being double teamed consistently, he needs work on his hand placement and conditioning and he “lacks a closing burst” LOL LOL LOL I guess that rules him out for WOLB, lets hope Porter, Taylor and Wake can hold that position down, and we’ll just play him at NT, where the fact that he “lacks a closing burst” is a non issue.
I like the fact they had to reach for a con:>)
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I also wondered what they meant by closing burst, Now i know, thanks for the info.
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I like ‘em me some UDFA. I hope this really makes it big time. He has the coaches and Ferguson to learn from and to excel, Now it’s up to him. I like Martin also, not sure about Quinn though, but i wish him all the best.
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I predict Jason Allen sticks this year
Jason Allen > Joey Thomas
Jason Allen > Courtney Bryan
Jason Allen > Scorpio Babers
he plays special teams and he brings position flexibility since he can (in theory) play both CB and S.
Unless they pounce or poach somebody younger with more potential off of the practice squad or pick up
a veteran discard who will play for the minimum, I see Allen making the roster.
I dare say, Jason Allen > Eric Green.
Regarding Louis Ellis, if the Trio can get him down to a lean mean well-conditioned 6-2 310-315 size, he could dominate.
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i tend to agree with you about Allen
unless Green really pulls it together this year, I thought Allen’s play last year was better.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 28, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
but Scorbio Babers
has an awesome name
by Brian5517209 on May 28, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey Brian...
………….. why are you afraid of Patssuck..??
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 28, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL... you crack me up..!
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by Chupathingy on May 28, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Oye Chupa!
… where else could anyone find such call signs as yours and some of the others here that are absolutely epic… LOL
You’re right… it is like crack (not that I know what crack is like) :-o
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It’s been kinda quiet here this morning too, haven’t seen too much activity so far.
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by uncle finster on May 28, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
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by uncle finster on May 28, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Orion Martin is working as an ILB according to Omar Kelly.
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Omar who..??
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Also why did Martin become an UDFA? what made him selip out of the draft?
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by Patssuck456 on May 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't find much on him on the web...
… but draft count down didn’t have much good to say of him… even his strengths seem lack luster…
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Orion-Martin.php
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This guy could end up being our steal of the year. Very talented and pissed! Good combination for a lineman..
Dont know about it!!
He could be the steal of the year or be with us less than a month!
Basically, BP find out he is missing 200 bucks from his wallet, JD is out of here!! ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
LOL LOL
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by uncle finster on May 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I really think Martin makes the team
as Roth’s backup. How much playing time, if any, he gets will remain to be seen, due to the fact that Roth, Porter, Taylor, and Wake all will get playing time.
The way I see it (and I’m probably wrong) is that Porter and Roth will start, with Taylor playing about an equal amount of time as Porter (two older guys, keep them both fresh by rotating them). Wake will be a pass rush specialist who will play opposite Porter/Taylor when we want to get a beast of a rush in there. (3rd and long). I can see Martin getting a little time opposite Roth on run downs, unless they opt to use JT against the run.
Of course, this depends largely on whether Martin can play up to snuff. I believe he’ll have a spot on this team when it’s all said and done though.
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by Little Nicky 21 on May 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
they are moving david martin to the other side of the ball now?
geez these guys are creative…
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Orion Martin lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
the post mentioned Orion, but didn't mention David..
I figured it was implied lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on May 29, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha that was good
I haven’t seen that movie, but that was a cool clip lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on May 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
Well played, that was a pretty cool movie that went under the radar. Also its always funny when Data acts human:>)
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by uncle finster on May 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
no doubt…. he still always seems to be “Data”.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jun 1, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you mean
“seems to be” :>‹
:>D
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