This is great stuff, Unc!! That’s what is so great about this site; one draft pick, a million different ways to look at it.

A good rule of thumb(should have been rule of the wrist ha-ha) when evaluating a player or projecting how well a team is going to perform, is how many IFs there are, the more IFs, the less likely that team or player is of succeeding, hence the term IFFY ha-ha
These are the IFs I see at the QB position;
IF he can overcome his height disadvantage.
IF he can overcome his weight disadvantage.
IF he can change his looping Vick like delivery.
IF he can change his footwork, he doesn’t keep his feet under his shoulders so he always has to set himself before he throws which compounds his long delivery problem.
IF he can become comfortable in the pocket, he never had to in college, its not an option in the NFL, no matter how mobile you are, he would look to run too quickly.

I never though of it that way. But, I think that, as most people have stated on here, that he is likely not going to be exclusively a “pro QB” in the “pro style QB” mold. That is seen just by the glance of an eye. He’ll get on the field in different ways; WildPat, yada, yada, yada. Which takes me into your comparison of his combine numbers up against QB’s, and then against WR’s. Very, very interesting. He doesn’t exactly stack up against WR’s statistically based on all the drills.

I think what it comes down to, though, is “IT”. Watching film on the guy, it just looks like he’s got “IT”. Don’t exactly know what it is, how it’s defined or what it means, but I think he has it. He has the instincts to find open space, get to it, and through it. He finds a way to get it done. I don’t know how he is going to work out in the NFL, but I am DEFINITELY excited to find out.

j/k good right up. Made me cry a little but you definitely have valid reasons that he could be a bust. This kid has done nothing but overcome things like this, so I feel he will persevere.

I saw the same things you did and have the same questions you do.. I do not see him as a starting QB.. ever.

also rec’d.

I think the thing that he brings, regardless of the timed stats, regardless of the position, is that when he runs he is hard to catch. Bess has some of that, but i think White has more of it than anyone else on the team. So, while he may not be outrunning many NFL guys in a footrace, he is still going to see the holes, take the cuts, and get yards. I wish Ronnie B or Teddy G had some of that, because combined with Ginns straight away speed, or Ronnie’s straight ahead bulldozer, those guys would be unstoppable.

So maybe he won’t end up being a starting QB. I am still concerned about his height, because guys like Drew Brees are the exception, not the rule. But do i think we can line him up and have him find the end zone? Absolutely. PeeWee has talent, and this coaching staff knows how to use talent.

IMO

(noticed i put 2 greats ;-))

that you bring to light finster.

Obviously there is more to a player than mere measurables. However, I tend to think there is enough with pat white as to be a bit skeptical. There are sooo many things stacked against this kid to succeed as a QB – as you pointed out.

More succinctly, I’ll come out and say it – I think it was a bad pick for the dolphins. We have more important positions and needs to address – 35 year old Jason Ferguson, AA in the middle of our linebacking core – not to mention that we already have 2 slot type receivers and a very solid veteran QB and promising young backup. It begs the question of exactly why pat white is on the team.

I guess I see him as a slot receiver/return man/gimmick-gadget play type of guy. None of which would appear to be big upgrades for a team with plenty of holes to fill.

Let’s hope we does well and proves himself to be a quality NFL player.

and I don’t like it.

A: of course. hes a rookie but so isn’t mark sanchez in that aspect, in having him only play 16 games(in warm weather). pat was great in college, winning 4 bowls. so if pat white is iffy, so isnt the rest of quarterbacks in this draft class IMO. until they get into a game, the entire rookie class is iffy. its easy to point out disadvantages in players based on combine, but if we base our rpedictions on the combine… we might end up like the raiders.

is 6’3" 215lbs so I guess he has a better shot at being a successful NFL quarterback.
…measurables.

I just looked at the stats from the 2007 combine, the fastest WRs:

Yamon Figurs – Kansas State 4.30
Jason Hill – Washington State 4.32
Laurent Robinson – Illinois State 4.33
Mike Walker – Central Florida 4.35

Pat White is the only QB to start and win 4 bowl games
Chad Henne 1 out of 4, also the only Michigan QB to lose every game against Ohio State.
OK OK…while these are all true stats, I’m half pulling youse guys chains. Let’s see what happens when the whistle blows…

but! as stated by KCsince88 ,the IT on ea player is NOt measurable!
Last year we have a 6 rounder makingthe starting team in the O line, so all those IFFIE where wrong! I know he was drafted at the 44,but maybe theres is somethingthere,like the IT. I was mad as hell to, but after seen some videos of the kid,i can see what the coaching staff saw( The O coordinator and coaches).
Lets said he SUCKS BIG TIME!! but that will not stop the D coordinator and coaches tospend A LOT of time practicing to counter him and what he is capable off!! In the chest game, a lot of time you play to deseive the opponent. This is such off move or he could be a good QB for a couple of years, sending a NEW msg to the NFL, a new type of game.
To early to say he was pick to early! If we do the same, then he was a wasted pick!! If we come with something new, something nobody will be able to ajust,then we were geniouses!! Im like Razor on this one!! The D day i was mad about this pick, but now im happy, cause thia will open up thing A LOT for us and teams are scraching there heads on how we are gona use him. Remember, the season star in almost 5 months(my bad remembering went the season star LOL ) and everybody is marking the day we play with them. This is fun guys!!

you should join

He’s got heart. HEart + skills = success.

the next Hines Ward. White threw a nice block in that one clip. Ward was the same size comin out of Georgia and also played qb. He played wr and rb alot too tho and was a little faster than White.

Goo’d!

As legions have said before me. That “IT” outweighs the “IF’s.” There are several guys that defy the height/weight shortcoming “stat” -Bob Sanders, Drew Brees, Darren Sproles, Wes Welker, Steve Smith, Doug Flutie, Zac Thomas (well, he’s kinda like a fire hydrant).
The foot thing might actually work to his advantage as it doesn’t let defenders so easily clue in on the forthcoming pass. To that end, he may never be an in the pocket QB, but that might be pigeon-holing him in a league that may very well be in flux. We might be seeing more hybrids: half QB/RB, RB/WR, yadda yadda. If he can read well on the run is the pocket so essential?
That looping pass isn’t as dangerous to be picked if the defender’s a step or two behind. And if he’s accurate (tome & place), then the ball will be where it needs to be. Besides, the “it” won’t let him throw, so off he goes.

lets be serious, he is a winner and like many has said has the “it” factor…lets not forget a certain jet who was a beast at the combine who is on his way into the bust category (cant really say he is yet) its rhymes with gernon vhloston. so lets not judge players on that stuff, i think bringing in a winner with dangerous legs is a good pick up and i think pat will be a pretty good player

tell me mr. burro; doe’s our season really ride on a # 2 pick, and what happens next year, say if-we dont draft an offenceive lineman. will all the center’s, tackle’s,& guard’s, be signing with miami if they have any athlectic ability? (burro’s live free)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you read it?