Weekend Roundup: Ronnie Brown, Jason Taylor & more
by Matty I on May 18, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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PrintThe long, slow portion of the offseason is marching on. This week, official offseason training activities get underway down in Davie - which should generate some news for us to discuss. In the meantime, here's what you may have missed this weekend.
RONNIE IS NO LONGER NEEDED?
I really enjoy reading many of the great "non mainstream media" sites about our Dolphins. After all, that's exactly what this site is, too. But every once in a while, you come across something that really makes you wonder if the ease of sharing your thoughts on a particular team via the internet is a good thing.
For my example today, I offer you this ridiculous article that was posted on Bleacher Report - a site that I like to refer to as the scum of the blogosphere. In it, the author tries to sell you on the idea that the Dolphins "no longer need" Ronnie Brown. He writes:
The Dolphins surprised a lot of teams last year when they went 11-5 one year after finishing 1-15. There were a lot of key factors to last season's turnaround. One of those was Ronnie Brown. Brown scored 10 rushing touchdowns, four of which came in the Dolphins first win of the season.
But does Miami really need him anymore?
I don't think so. It's true that without him the Dolphins probably wouldn't have won as many games last year, but that doesn't mean the Dolphins need him to win this year.
The author goes on to say that the selection of Pat White - who is listed as a quarterback, keep in mind - "might be a hint" that the Dolphins will be cutting Ronnie's role. But isn't that a bit of a reach? If anything, White's selection means Ronnie will see fewer snaps as the 'Wildcat quarterback." We have no idea, though, exactly how the coaches plan to use both White and Brown. And the fact of the matter is I'd bet we'll see both White and Brown on the field together in the 'Wildcat' more often than not.
But here's the part of this article - if you can call it that - that is really ridiculous:
Miami's running game won't suffer much either with Ricky Williams still around. Williams was one of the best running backs in the league before he left for a year in 2006. He is faster and more experienced than Brown.
The Dolphins running game would probably be better without having to share the carries between backs.
The first thing that jumps out at me here is how the writer clearly lacks a high "football IQ." Hasn't he seen that two-back systems are taking over? Hasn't be noticed how having two very good running backs is becoming a necessity in the NFL these days?
More importantly, though, is that if the Dolphins were to shift to an offense in which one back got the majority of the work, it would be Brown - not Williams - getting the carries.
The writer points out that Ricky "was one of the best running backs in the league" prior to 2006. Well here's some news - Ronnie Brown was possibly the best running back in the league in 2007 before tearing his ACL. Then, less than a year removed from his ACL injury, Brown had a very good season. And now that Ronnie is 100% healthy - and history shows it's the 2nd season removed from the ACL tear when a runner is back to his pre-injury form - he could be in store for his best season yet behind what should be an improved offensive line. You don't simply give all this up in favor of a 32 year old running back who is one drug test away from the end of his NFL career.
The bottom line here is that if you want to make a case for giving one back a majority of the carries, it's Ronnie - not Ricky - who should be getting them. He's a big, physical back with good speed and is a player who is known to get better as the game progresses and as he gets more carries, getting onto a rhythm.
JASON TAYLOR KNOWS HIS ROLE
OTAs officially get underway in Davie this week. This will be the first time the media will get to see and speak with Jason Taylor since his return to Miami. It's also the first glimpse we will all get of how the Dolphins plan to use JT in 2009. But the Miami Herald is reporting that Taylor has been told he probably won't be a starter this season. In fact, the Dolphins have made it clear to Jason that his roster spot isn't even guaranteed. If he is outplayed in camp, he can and will be cut. Taylor, knowing all this, agreed to those terms.
He really must have missed being in Miami. He also must be every confident in his ability to bounce back from a tough 2008 season.
Per the article:
Taylor knows from his conversations with Sparano that he must prove he's still better than the players he's competing against. And if a roster decision comes down to him and a younger player who plays as well and also promises to be around longer, Taylor could be the odd man out based on that younger player's future value.
If that sounds cold, harsh and unfeeling, so be it. That's the way NFL teams should be run. It's the way professional players should want to be treated -- fairly, honestly and without office politics getting becoming involved. The Dolphins don't want to play games with their players, and certainly not with a player of Taylor's standing.
So they explained to Taylor their initial strategy for employing his skills and that plan is to make him a ''situational'' player who gets 20-25 snaps a game.
The idea isn't to have Taylor feel good about himself because he will start. The idea is to have everyone feel good about Taylor because he will finish -- finish sacks, finish games and finish the season.
All of this was explained to Taylor before he signed, and he had the opportunity to disagree and sign with another team. He did not.
This is pretty much on par with how I thought the Dolphins would use Taylor this season. But I'm surprised that they made it so clear - and even more surprised that Taylor agreed to all of this. This says a lot about how badly Taylor wanted to rejoin his former team and is a far cry from that "egocentric" Jason Taylor the media portrayed last offseason.
QUICK HITS
-FB Lousaka Polite received an extension that will keep him in Miami through 2011. Polite became a fan favorite here among the Phinsider community and I, for one, am glad he'll be hanging around for at least 3 more seasons.
-Greg Camarillo and Davone Bess don't seem bothered by the increased competition at wide receiver. After all, proving themselves is nothing new for these two - both were undrafted free agents.
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since nobody declared it.................FIRST!!!
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Again, Dolphin Miester, you have givin us a really good post...
Yeah, it’a amazing who’s out there and more amazing what they write. I guess Sports Reporting is just becoming an opinion spot, with bias and favoritism.
Brown should again be a touch-down machine. Pat White will be slowly inserted into plays. And the receivers will surprise.
Then there’s the defense. They will scare a lot of teams this year.
PS: and thanks for being patient with us… 8-]
Ronnie is one of my favorite fins and....
I’m hoping they resign him before the season starts before he starts ripping it up and raising his price. Whoever wrote that Ronnie is expendable is smoking something, although I like Ricky and Cobbs, Ronnies our main back. And there is no way we can rely on a 32 yr old RB to carry the load.
That’s great to hear about JT he must really have missed us last year. It’s good that he’ll be only used situationally to keep him fresh when we are playing in January. And JT I forgive you for everything that happened last year, you can resume your place as one of my favorite fins of all time.
Ronnie is one of my favorite fins and….
I’m hoping they resign him before the season starts before he starts ripping it up and raising his price.
Bingo:>)
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by uncle finster on May 18, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ronnie is no longer needed
I saw that B.S. headline and just ignored it and I didn’t bother reading the article. Something so asinine doesn’t deserve attention.
JT will go 100% this year. If he doesn’t start that means we have some guys in front of him busting their azz. But I agree with being smart with him instead of wearing him out.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Taylor knows from his conversations with Sparano that he must prove he’s still better than the players he’s competing against. And if a roster decision comes down to him and a younger player who plays as well and also promises to be around longer, Taylor could be the odd man out based on that younger player’s future value.</blockquot
Hmm thats probably a bit of a reach. Sure, this coaching staff is all tough and all but they, specially Parcells, know that hierarchy, him signing a bs 1 mil contract while agreeing to attend workouts, and the huge business related side of this transaction, make JT all but a lock to make the roster. Come on.
Nothings taken for granted
The whole idea is to say that yes we’ve paid you money, but we want production and looking at some of the young guys on the team if you can’t beat them out then really you should probably retire in any case.
(i.e. Quentin Moses, you has done nothing yet and doesn’t seem to be heading anywhere)
But I’ve always appreciated honesty in sports, it lets you know where you are at and what is expected.
I’m still betting on a pumped up #99 going out there and showing everyone he still has it and being a great leader for our LB corps along with Joey Porter.
Yes Taylor will have to prove himself BUT
he is only making 1.5 million tops this year…no way he is odd man out we have a GREAT value at his current salary….remember this is still a business & Taylor’s salary doesn’t hurt our cap!
by MassFinFan65 on May 18, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If the O-line can give Ronnie the line of scrimmage
he’ll have an MVP type season, Penne would be that much more affective as well, but that IS the dream isn’t it?
Or will it be reality?
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Nice Post Matty!
I think Ronnie will rock this year with a more well rounded offense, and behind a better O-line.
The only think that I think is a potential issue is the money to keep him. I would not be surprised to see Ireland and Tony S pick up a RB with a reasonably high pick next year (2nd? 3rd?) in hopes of being able to groom him as a replacement for when it comes time for Ronnie to test FA.
As for JT, I would love to see him in a Trace Armstrong role for 2 or 3 more years with the Fins and it would be seriously awesome karma to see the Fins win a SB before he finally hangs up his cleats.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 18, 2009 1:38 AM EDT reply actions
You mean a "Finsx" for awesomeness
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by finsxfactor on May 19, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks buddy!
where ya been? still not gettin much sleep?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on May 20, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
great job matty
i’ve always been a HUGE supporter of ronnie brown. this is the year EVERYONE in the league recognizes what a beast he is.
This guy's a douche!!!!!
Now is the time- the time to rise up from the depths of Hell and stake our claim back on top of the AFC East...Look out Gaytriots here comes Jake Long and the Phins
Joe Rose
was pissed last night anout the JT talks.. apparently JT was never told any of that crap and Joe said “I know where it came from….. the top and that is low” blah blah blah
he had a good point JT signed for nothing and then to leak out he wont get a roster spot is pretty low
Oh the DRAMA its freakin killin me lol
A feeding frenzy is about to take place in the dirty south
I read that article on Ronnie too....
and i was the first one to comment on it and let that dude know he’s crazy…my comments under Brandon Jacobs…
Bottom Line - Matty couldn't agree with more!
We have possibly the best 2 back combination in the league….why woud you get rid of one….what if a injury happened????
+ Having 2 backs share the load will increase both Ronnie’s & Ricky’s career time- good for the Fins good for them!
Too often a back is worked very hard has a great couple years then they hit a wall and are spent….we can avoid this with a 2 BACK SYSTEM (the backs just need to keep their egos in check, which is not a problem with Ricky or Ronnie)
That blog writer might want too check his meds & get back to reality!
First off,
we have Patrick Cobbs who is phenomenal in all aspects.
Secondly, Pat White will rush quite a bit out of the Wildcat, thus ensuring that there is a decent amount of splitting going on with Ricky/Cobbs.
If anybody is living outside of reality, it’s the people who don’t even take the time to consider whether or not Ronnie is pivotal to this teams 2009 success. Don’t just brush off an argument because you like a player.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
I dont think one guy was pivotal for the success of the team if any it was Chad but Ronnie was also a key factor in our offense as well
do I think Ronnie got a pass for the pro-bowl sure but come on when your comming off a torn acl and average hardley 15 carries a game his numbers were damn good but wheather or not most people on this site like Ronnie I think it is also because we know the skills and potential this kid has and alot of us are waiting for that year(that should have been in 07) he breaks out but that is hard to do when like I said he split time and had hardley any 20+ carries since he has been on this team.True backs are a dime a dozen but not for this teams history with them we got a good thing going why waste it.
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Lol if you think a guy who couldnt even beat out Chatman for the number 2 back spot can do fine then you need the test my friend
Cobbs is a crapshoot he can either be better than Brown or far worse but if he can replace Brown then he should be our number one back at this very moment but he isn’t is he.
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no
i was making a joke about cobbs being better than brown. i think brown is one of the top 5 backs in the nfl
Oh my bad I kind of figure it was a bit of sacasim for the other guys Cobb post but it was a reply to my post so I didnt know lol but I agree with you Brown can be a top 5 we just have to use him the way Cam did
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yeah it is a team game
and brown is the best rb on the team. what sense does it make to get rid of him? who are you going to replace him with? ricky is older than he is, and one test away from a permanent ban.
The question isn't what one player do you replace him with,
the question is can you improve the team overall with any acquisitions you get in a Ronnie Brown trade? Considering we are very deep in RB and Pat White will likely usurp Ronnie as the leader of The Wildcat, it’s a legitimate question.
Yeah, Ricky is older than him. He’s also wiser too; he’s not going to fail a drug test. He’s also a more explosive runner with a lot of tread on his tires.
Come at me with some real arguments.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
ricky won't fail a drug test?
oh that’s right, he’s never failed one before or QUIT on his team has he?
I guess you haven't ever experienced a moment of clarity?
Ricky has. He’s grown up.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
Not even worth my time...
SO STUPID. Ronnie Brown is a ProBowl back….and now with a real line how good do you think he might get?
Yea…and we TOTALLY should rely on Ricky to be the back of this team….Im still not sure he wont hop on a surfboard and paddle away to costa rica at some point in the middle of next year…
One thing Pat White CANT DO is take the pounding a NFL RB takes….eventually….at some point…i know it sounds nuts…but he WILL GET CAUGHT…and eventually someone will twist those skinny horse like legs of his.
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WHAT???
I don’t understand why he would write something like that much less think it is a good idea. Ronnie is a great running back and even last year coming off an injury he still did so much for us. This year we will have a improved line from center and hopefully a much healthier line also. We have polite back and screw all the talk bout white. I like the kid but Ronnie will be our main RB. We need to re sign him. I have his jersey dammit lol. He gets better as he plays and he tires opposing defenses as the game progresses. And kudos to bess and camrillo for acting like true athletes and accepting the competition. I believe both will make it on this team. Wilford might try playing harder but I dont think he will succeed. Even with a tougher schedule this year, I believe we will be a wild card team as our defense, offense, and special teams is much improved. Plus another year in the system for all the rookies will help the team play better. GO PHINS!!!
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Ricky is faster ????
I don’t think Ricky was faster when he came out of college or NOW! Didn’t Ronnie run a 4.43 in the 40?
Ronnie should be used differently in 2009...
I think the team should use him differently in 2009… I think they should concentrate regular carries on him, and use Ricky only when he needs a breather…
As he won’t be handling the load from additional WildCat carriers anymore (or at least share them with Pat White), I think they should really give him more of a workload on regular running plays, and also use him as a 3rd down back (as he catches the ball really well)…
Ronnie in my mind could be what Joseph Addai used to be for the Colts (before the bust 2008 season), an everydown back, running and catching from the Shotgun… and having Ricky as an alternate just for resting purposes.
That’s my opinion.
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by FinsFromBrazil on May 18, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
Also with his statement about Ricky being one of the best up until 2006
How can you be one of the best when for one your best year came in 02 then had a decline in 03, 04 hmmmmmmm didnt he retire lol and 05 he split with Ronnie did well for splitting time and in 06 he was suspended for the year lmao. I also like this little statement about Ronnie "I don’t think so. It’s true that without him the Dolphins probably wouldn’t have won as many games last year, but that doesn’t mean the Dolphins need him to win this year, LOL ok he basicly said that without him last year we wouldnt have won as many games but this year we dont need him to win as many ok.
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Ronnie's the man, fer sure. But
how many people were singing that RB’s are a dime a dozen just a coupla weeks ago?
Any ol’ one will do….
Larry Little and I both wore 66 in our football careers. I think that means something.
LOL, LOL, LOL, get your adverbs here!
I think you guys are too emotionally attached to Ronnie.
This argument bares a real discussion because it does have merit.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
if you take away brown, it changes the
entire face of our offense. in my opinion he is among the top backs in the league. unless you get great value for him, there is no upside to a trade. rb’s are not a dime a dozen. excluding williams and brown you have to go back 30 years to the last time miami had a punishing runner. they just don’t come along every day.
How does losing Brown change the entire face of the offense?
If we hadn’t drafted Pat White, I’d agree with you, but now I don’t get it. Ricky can do what Ronnie did last year, minus QBing the Wildcat. In fact, Ricky averaged better than Ronnie, did he not? Patrick Cobbs is a huge threat in the receiving game as well as a good blocker. Losing Brown doesn’t exactly cripple us.
The argument for keeping Ronnie is: why would we get rid of him? We no longer have any glaring needs, and our depth looks pretty promising on all sides of the ball.
Sometimes I have to argue myself just to have a good debate!
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
man are you serious?
you think pat white is going to come out of college and replace brown in his first year? cobbs can’t carry brown’s sweaty jock, and ricky is getting older and higher by the minute. if you can come up with a serious replacement for brown, let’s hear it, otherwise how do you expect to replace a guy who was leading the nfl in yards from scrimmage when he got hurt?
If Ricky averaged better than Ronnie it was because all of the focus of the defense was on Brown he was our main factor in the wildcat
just because we have Pat White dont mean Brown is not going to get his share,as for Ricky still love the guy but if I had my choice between the two I would keep Brown stop living in the past this isnt 02
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So sad.
Come on guys. How hard is it to just go to NFL.com and look up stats? I leave a giant hole open in my argument and you don’t even step in for the kill.
All of your arguments (this includes you ncfinfan) seem pretty emotionally driven rather than logic based. Just because you like Ronnie Brown doesn’t mean he is automatically the best thing for this team. You say stop living in ‘02? Ricky Williams is still here, and still strong. The regime was very high on him last year and he averaged 4.1 yards per carry, which is pretty solid. Maybe you should stop living in ’07. Ronnie hasn’t proven anything yet.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
And what has Ricky proven since 02-03 his last best year came in 05 then in 07 he did squat against Pitt and got himself hurt
Like I said if Ricky was better then the job would be his also you say Ronnie has not proven anything yet hmmmm well sure proved himself as one of the top backs in the leauge in 07 and even though I dont think he should have made the pro-bowl he still did comming off a huge injury so he must have done something right.
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Here is the #s
Player -——-Team Pos —-Att -Att/G -Yds Avg Yds/G TD Lng 1st 1st% 20+ 40+ FUM
Ronnie Brown MIA - RB- -214 - 13.4 -916 -4.3 -57.2 -10 -62T 48 22.4 -4 —1 —1
Ricky Williams MIA - RB- -160 - 10.0 -659 -4.1 -41.2 —4 -51T 35 21.9 -4 —1 —4
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by uncle finster on May 18, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha yeah,
you must have posted this while I was posting the last one.
Ronnie only averaged 1.6 yards in the postseason. Ricky averaged 4.3.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
Are you joking
posting stats from 1 game, you keep mentioning that people here are attached to Ronnie, that is because he is great, not good, great, he has managed to keep his average above 4.2 every year here, and has yet to play behind a good O-line.
It seems to me that you dislike Ronnie for some reason, and you try to rationalize your way around him not being that good, deny this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlPhDLNnYU
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by uncle finster on May 19, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
True he says we all have a man crush on Ronnie but he keeps hyping up Ricky so he must be attached to him
and just like you said last years line was the best line Ronnie has had yet and with injuries and such it was not a solid one our line was horrible in 07 and Ronnie was tearing it up behind that one, since he has been here he has put up good numbers for a guy running behind a weak line and having hardly any 20+ carry games lets see what he does behind a solid injury free line and over 300 carries
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I have a man crush on both of them lol
but the key is our O-line, if they give these guys the line of scrimmage, they will kick @ss.
'it's a hell of a thing, killin a man, take away all he's got........and all he's ever gonna have" -William Munney-
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by uncle finster on May 21, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the vast majority of your articles, Matty,
but this one stinks of bias from the get-go. You never even considered the argument. Thumbs down from me.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
partially agree
I think the jury is still out in regards to Ronnie being or not the #2 pick he cost. However, the truth is he never had the necessary workload to prove that… either you can say he can’t handle the necessary workload, or that it was just not given to him.
That’s why I think we should give him a ton of reps this year, on regular running downs, and on 3rd downs, and see where that leads him to. If he has a breakout year, we can sign him an extention.
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by FinsFromBrazil on May 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it's not fair to hold him being the #2 pick against him.
But look around him – he’s probably the best player to come from that draft’s top 10:
- - Alex Smith
- - Braylon Edwards
- - Cedric Benson
- - Cadillac Williams
- - Pacman Jones
- - Troy Williamson
- - Antrel Rolle
- - Carlos Rodgers
- - Mike Williams
P.S.
Pay no attention to the numbering above. It was supposed to read Edwards #3 and then so on down
not only that...
He ALREADY is the best… And I still feel we SEVERELY under use him…
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by FinsFromBrazil on May 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A Little Perspective
Ronnie is a wonderful back. But if he fails to breakout for an entire season (stay healthy) he will forever (and deservedly) live in the shadow of Ricky Williams. Williams had the best season of a Dolphins running back ever. Ever ever.
I saw a lot in Ricky last year. I’m not as willing to put him out to pasture. Granted, Ronnie has the physical tools and more tread on his tire, but it will be up to the line to get him his “late in the game” momentum.
They need blocking, which has nothing to do with Pat White, physical potential or Ricky’s hay days. Lets hope Donald Thomas is the second coming of Larry Little and that Jake Grove is a mauler.
Finally, I think Bleacher Report is entertaining. The arguments (often insane) can be fun to watch unfold. Go easy on the little guys, Matty I, not everyone can make the cut of being a SB Nation blogger. ;).
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Don't forget that Ricky's pricetag is a steal.
Ronnie will be incredibly expensive next year.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
True but Ricky is getting up therein age if we replace Brown shouldn't we replace him with a possible franchise back
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Bingo:>)
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by uncle finster on May 18, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ricky is already on the team.
Ronnie leaving would obviously leave space for another RB to be drafted, which would likely be one of the picks acquired in a Ronnie Brown trade.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
look
we just disagree on this. if we trade him, we might use the picks and draft someone better and younger, then it would have been a good decision. but, we might end up with another bust for an rb, and then it would suck. i just don’t think you take that risk at this time. we could use a 2nd pick next year and get a good young back and then your point becomes valid. i just don’t think that cobbs is the guy.
How can you just brush Cobbs off like that?
First off there is no THE guy. I have been trying to cram it into your skull that this is a team game and losing one dynamite player and gaining 3 very good players can help the TEAM overall.
Secondly, Patrick Cobbs averaged 7.3 yards per carry. Sure he only had 12 carries, but that’s because Patrick Cobbs was more suited to being a CP10 receiver since he has no fear whatsoever. Cobbs averaged 14.5 yards on 19 receptions last year. He caught some of Pennington’s longest passes, and considering Pennington has a T-Rex arm, that ball took a long time to get there. Cobbs went up always knowing he was going to get annihilated. Remember when he was knocked out? Did he drop it? No.
Finally, any Ronnie Brown trade is going to involve multiple draft picks, one of which is a 1st rounder. You may like Ronnie, but he is damaged goods. He is not an Adrian Peterson and he is not a Matt Forte. He may have been as good in ’07, or maybe not, but now he is a question mark at best. Until he can prove otherwise, he is simply just a good running back.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
I agree we should give more work to Cobbs so we can see if he can be that guy
Winner Of The 2009 Phinsider Predict The Pick Contest
if he's damaged goods
then why would some other team want to give us multiple picks including a 1st rounder. look man, i don’t love the guy. if we could get good value, then trade him. ANYONE is fair game to be traded. but i don’t think we’ll get as much back as we lose by getting rid of him.
I wouldnt say Ronnie is damaged goods any back in the nfl can get hurt any moment not to mention he got injured trying to make a tackle
Also Peterson is the best back in the nfl but his rookie season he was injured and he was battling injuries last season as well but everything aside Ronnies injuries aside from the acl come usually late in the season mostly with helmet contact with his hand he played in everygame last season pretty good for someone who is damaged goods.
Winner Of The 2009 Phinsider Predict The Pick Contest
I agree with that unless it is a 4th 5th and a 6th lol
Winner Of The 2009 Phinsider Predict The Pick Contest
Ronnie Brown
Class Act and Def TOP5 RB in the league!! Who wouldn’t need that? That’s ridiculous!
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Jason Taylor Jersey Number
Does anyone know if taylor will be going back to his 99 jersey cause Porter is 55 which is what Taylor was in Washington? In my opinion it just wont be the same without him in the 99
Depth Chart
depth chart and roster is all screwed up right no, showing both Taylor and Porter as 55 and Merling ahead of Taylor
by Jason Scott on May 21, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Bleacher Report
Even though I have written for them! Thing is, I am tired of all the articles with poor editing, false facts, wrong facts, ridiculous opinions, ten articles about the same thing, too much speculation, and all the Brady vs. Manning nonsense! Scum blog? Believe me I’ve seen worse, but I think my days there are numbered. The Ronnie Brown piece about him being no longer needed is perhaps the last straw.
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