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Dolphins Draft Board: Attempting to narrow down the list

So we're about 18 days away from the NFL Draft and, like all of you, I'm beginning to go a little "stir-crazy."  And that's why I decided to embark on this post - a post that will probably do nothing more than generate some discussion.   After all, any attempt to try to narrow down the list of potential Dolphin draft picks is really nothing more than an exercise in futility.

With that said, here's the plan.  I'm hoping to narrow down the list of potential players that the Dolphins will have a shot at with their first two picks - numbers 25 and 44 overall.  To do this, I'll have to use my personal draft big board.

So what I've done is taken my own top 50 players in the draft and broken the list into 4 separate groups - locks to be gone by pick 25, likely to be gone by pick 25, players who will likely be available at pick 25, and players who could last into the middle of round 2.

Locks to be drafted by pick #25
These players are virtual certainties to be drafted by the time the Dolphins are on the clock:

Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher, Andre Smith, Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, B.J. Raji, Aaron Curry

Likely to be drafted by pick #25
These players will probably be off the board at pick 25, though there's a chance one or two could fall:

Josh Freeman, Chris Wells or Knowshon Moreno (at least one of them will be off the board), Eben Britton, Tyson Jackson, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Aaron Maybin, Malcolm Jenkins

Likely available at pick #25
These players could be on the board and available for the Dolphins to draft with their 25th pick - but many will not make it down to their second pick (44th overall).  Also, 3 of these players will be gone - as I've listed just 21 players above. (Note: if more than 3 are gone, that means at least one of the players listed above have fallen to Miami's pick at 25):

Chris Wells or Knowshon Moreno (whichever one you don't include in the previous group), Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Percy Harvin, Donald Brown, Brandon Pettigrew, William Beatty, Alex Mack, Max Unger, Larry English, Robert Ayers, Michael Johnson, Peria Jerry, Evander Hood, Clint Sintim, Connor Barwin, James Laurinaitis, Vontae Davis, Darius Butler, Sean Smith

Likely available at pick #44
These players are from my top 50 and will probably be around for the Dolphins second pick in the draft.  However, one or two could be gone  (Note: If more than one is gone, that means at least one player above would have fallen to pick 44):

Brian Robiskie, Duke Robinson, Ron Brace, Paul Kruger, Alphonso Smith, D.J. Moore, Louis Delmas, William Moore

Star-divide

So what the hell is my point?
That's probably what you're asking yourself right now.  And to be honest - I'm not too sure.  Here's what we know, though.  The Dolphins will have the opportunity to add 2 of those players mentioned to their roster.

So which two?  That's the million dollar question right now.  And attempting to get inside the heads of Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland is just something that isn't possible.  But here's what we can do....we can guess.

Of those 50 players I listed, we can remove the 12 who are "locks" to be gone by pick 25.  That narrows the list to 38.  Then let's remove players who just wouldn't make sense for the Dolphins to select.  Those are Josh Freeman, Chris Wells, Knowshon Moreno, and Donald Brown.  I also don't see the Dolphins spending one of their first two picks on a tackle, meaning we can eliminate Eben Britton and William Beatty.  And just like that, we're down to 32 players.  I'm also willing to bet that the Dolphins won't draft Peria Jerry or Evander Hood - two players who would play defensive end in Miami's 3-4.  And based on the contracts given to their two starting safeties, I don't think the Dolphins are in the business of searching for a day one safety - which eliminates Louis Delmas and William Moore.

That leaves me with 28 players for the Dolphins first two picks.  Of those, 6 are in the "likely to be gone" group - Tyson Jackson, Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Aaron Maybin, and Malcolm Jenkins.  Outside of Jenkins, who was reportedly told by the Dolphins that he'd have to be a safety in this league, I think the Dolphins would draft any of those players if they fell to 25th overall.

The one wildcard to that theory, though, is Vontae Davis.  I put Davis in the "likely available" group just because I'm not sure how other teams will feel about his potential "character concerns."  If Vontae is on the board at 25, though, it's hard to imagine the Dolphins not seriously considering him - as he possesses the size and speed this regime wants.

Is there any conclusion to this?
In short - no, there is not.  But I know many people are like me in that it's fun to lay out the possibilities in black and white.  I will say that I'm fairly confident in saying the Dolphins, if they stay at 25 and 44, will select 2 of those 28 players we've identified as likely options.  Which two is obviously up for debate.  I think this layout did show that the draft is deeper at wide receiver and pass-rushing outside linebacker than it is at cornerback - which is why I'll be pulling for Vontae Davis, Darius Butler, or Sean Smith with pick #25.

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hey that's 4 seperate groups

might wanna change that

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Apr 7, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

good catch

when i originally planned this, there were just 3 groups – hence the mistake

thanks for pointing it out

by Matty I on Apr 7, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

like i have said all along........he says smugly

darius butler, ron brace………..duh

Just one man's opinion.
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by hwyatt3 on Apr 7, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

if duke slips to 44...........i dunno

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by hwyatt3 on Apr 7, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

with you hwyatt

Butler Brace Barwin & Barden: 4Bs or not 4Bs, that is da Q

by Corroncho on Apr 7, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Duke slips....

If they don’t take Duke earlier and he’s anywhere near #40, they better trade up and take Duke Robinson! That’s what I think anyways.

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by AussieKen on Apr 7, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

duke

might be had at56 he is dropping. As a sooner fan his play wasnt that impressive

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 10, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would

be happy with those 2, or even Smith, Brace. Then 2 more cornerbacks in the next 3 rounds.

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by Phintastic on Apr 7, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol matty's becoming "risque" or something

first he calls brohm the b-word then he says “what the hell”..my goodness im fighting back tears our little matty is growin up =)

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by finsxfactor on Apr 7, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome Post!!!

That was one of the best post i thank i have read of your Matty i read this blog everyday or everyother day so i dont miss anything and its the second page i come on when i get on the internet after Fox Sports Dolphins page cause there is a bunch of cool guys i talk to that post on here from time to time. So to the post i would like Vontae Davis or Darius Butler wit the #25 and Brace wit the #44 and another CB wit the #56 mab DJ Moore or one of the others that you showed a video of yesterday cant thank of his name now and dont wanna go look lol so Great Job to give us something to talk about and to ponder over for awhile longer the only thing i disagree wit is i thank one of the USC LB might be there for our pick i know you put them as likely and i thank Ray is almost a lock to be gone by than but i thank one of them could slip by then and one more thing i saw a Mock Draft cant rember who’s but it seem to be someone who was being paid for it so someone they consider a "PRO/Draft Guru and they had Ray Maluaga going to be the last USC LB to be taking so wat do you guys thank about that!!

by MF_34 on Apr 7, 2009 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm Hung up on Hakeem Nicks

But if we do draft a corner at 25…no complaints!

by MassFinFan65 on Apr 7, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

really?

percy isnt a lock to take if he is available at 25? i think he has to be. no doubt in my mind he is going to be a superstar.

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by tdoublem23 on Apr 7, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

He's not a lock to take a 25 if available and here's why:

First – we are yet to hear any kind of denial from him or his agent about the failed drug test rumors circulating about Harvin.
Two – I don’t see WR as this big need that others see it as. I think defense is a far bigger need right now and if any of the top corners are left or any of the top pass-rushers are left, they are far more valuable to this team than a WR at this point…in my opinion, at least.

by Matty I on Apr 7, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 first day picks

2 lbers, 2 corners if fall right

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 10, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we take a WR day 1 because...

If we take a WR on day one, we are gonna pay him day 1 money. We already have Ginn, Cam, Bess, London, and Wilford. I don’t think the Trifecta is willing to part with any of them right now for money reasons or the potential that they have. How often do we run 4 and 5 wide formations. It’s probably less than 5% of the offensive plays ran. So you bring in a guy who can fill multiple spots and you can find that in the 4th or 5th round. They can add depth to WR, play special teams, and get used to the speed of the NFL. They only way Miami takes a WR on the first day in my opinion is if Crabtree or Maclin fall way off the board, or if Nicks or Harvin fell to the late 2nd or early 3rd round.

25th pick - CB Vontae Davis
44th pick - LB Clint Sintim
56th pick - DT Ron Brace

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by Heater OsE on Apr 7, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Stuff

but now that Denver has two 1st rounders do you think they will take a shot at Wells or Moreno with one of their picks

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by Foy on Apr 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

i dont see why not

they always have been a runnign team.. although mcdaniels has seemed to be defense orientated with most of his FA signings.

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by BSerious72 on Apr 7, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they do need some help one the d-line as well as a good linebacker but I just dont think they are sold on any backs they have right now

It would be some crazy sh@t if they take two of the usc linebackers in the first they can pick up a back in the later rounds instead

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by Foy on Apr 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

4

Didn’t Denver sign something like 4 RB’s this free agency period already. None of them have been big name guys, but Arrington and Buckhalter will give them some added depth.

I originally thought they would target Moreno, but now I’m thinking they package the 12 and their 3rd to hopefully get Sanchez and then use the 18th on somebody like Jackson from LSU.

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by Patrick Bateman79 on Apr 7, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd have to give the edge to Vontae

he’s a bit more physical and with the receivers in the AFC East we’ll need a young gun to step in and contend as well as be able to put a body on guys such as Owens and Moss.

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by BSerious72 on Apr 7, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I like Vontae and I hope we get him...

But picture this. First game against the Patriots, Galloway is Split Left , Brady in the Gun, Welker and Moss Split Right. Galloway comes in motion to the right. If I’m Vontae Davis, I don’t know about you guys, but I crap my pants the first play they come after me :p

25th pick - CB Vontae Davis
44th pick - LB Clint Sintim
56th pick - DT Ron Brace

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by Heater OsE on Apr 7, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Latest CBS Mock

Anyone see the latest CBS mock draft. They have Percy Harvin slipping to us at #44 based on concerns about character and drug use.
That is by far the lowest I’ve seen him slip.

I really don’t like the Cushing selection they have us making at #25, but Harvin at #44 would be huge.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfldraftscout-ChadReuter

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by Patrick Bateman79 on Apr 7, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, it would be,

But otherwise I don’t like his mock at all.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 7, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The only upside I can see about Cushing, is that we might move him inside, which could be an upgrade for us.
Given the way that draft is set, I would much prefer we take Sean Smith or Darius Butler at the 25 spot, and go Sintim with spot 2B.

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by Patrick Bateman79 on Apr 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, or even Vontae

Can’t believe they have him slipping into the 2nd. If Sintim lasts to 2B I’ll be satisfied. Imagine Butler/Smith/Davis, then someone like a Barwin/Nicks/Brace, and a Sintim/Sidbury?

Haha.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I love Butler/Smith/Davis at 1; for 2a though I am not sold on Nicks, or Brace. I am hoping for an all defense first day of the draft, rather than going with a WR. And for NT, I like Vaughn Martin from Western as a later round pick. I hate Western (being a Laurier alum), but the guy is a beast. I would rather go Barwin or Brown at that pick. As for 2b if we could get Sintim or Sidbury it would be huge.

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by Patrick Bateman79 on Apr 7, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cody Brown?

Forgot about him. Wouldn’t mind him at all with 2a, nice pick. Would love Barwin too.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 7, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post Matty

Butler or Davis and English, Mathews or Brace, if that happened I’d sleep very well that night :>)

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by uncle finster on Apr 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Cushing or Mathews could be there at 25.

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by Patssuck456 on Apr 7, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn't mind cushing

@ 25 as long as our next pick is a cb

by ncfinfan on Apr 7, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

WR will drop...

especially now with the Bears…who needed a WR….traced there pick.

Harvin would be a smart pick….but I dont get the feeling this regime is all that high on him for some reason.

I dont see any other choice…we need a CB we cant just settle for a lesser guy. We need 2!!!

1st 3 picks…..2 need to be cornerbacks. then i think we should take another one later. we need depth….not to mention starters.

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 7, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

THIS JUST IN:

There will be no wideouts chosen on the first day of the draft……….

Just one man's opinion.
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by hwyatt3 on Apr 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Time for a bet

since you’re waaay too sure about this, how about a wager?

If we take a WR on Day 1, you have to put “I know nothing about the draft” in your sig until Week 1.
If we don’t, you can put any variation of “I’m a genius!” in your sig.

Do we have a deal?

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 7, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless of "slippage"................................

Just one man's opinion.
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by hwyatt3 on Apr 7, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey Matty,

did you delete my post? I posted and now it’s gone.

I Phinsguy99 am creator of the, "Draft Brian Robiskie Bandwagon"

Co.- FinzD54

by Phinsguy99 on Apr 7, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I would pick Laurainaitis is a heartbeat if he's still there at 25...

…but Vontae Davis would be hard to pass-up. However, I think Davis will be off the board by then.

  1. Laurinaitis/Davis
  2. Nicks/Butler
  3. Robiskie/A. Smith

by dab415217 on Apr 8, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm prety sure if u want Butler...

…you have to take him at 25….if he’s even still around at that time

by Matty I on Apr 8, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like him at 25. That's why I listed him lower...

…expecting that he probably won’t be there. I guess I’m just not as high on the mini-CB’s as others are. I like mine a little bigger and more physical…as long as they can cover.

by dab415217 on Apr 8, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butler is 5'10 and a half

that’s not exactly mini

and he has a 43 inch vertical to make up for it

by Matty I on Apr 8, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

but still at 5'10. you are bound to get out physical

like for example. will allen . 5’11. 40 inch vert and he gets outphysicalled all the time against the big guys. the vert is good and all but you are gonna get outpositioned.

the point is . you’re short you’re short. you cant expect him to be able to cover a guy like t.o or moss and expect shut down results without some help.

idk WHY COULDNT THE BIG GUY MAKE HIM 3 INCHES TALLER ?!?!!?!!?!?

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by finsxfactor on Apr 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody in the league

save for maybe 2 guys.. can cover TO or Moss one on one, so that shouldn’t be the goal to find that guy, because we’ll be looking for a loong time. We need somebody that can be in good position, can contest passes, and most importantly IMO, has the speed to keep up with those two so they are at least in the vicinity to make a play. Butler can do all that.

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 9, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

AT 25

Laurinaitis seems to jump out for me, at the same time though we need a CB and I think drafting that with #25 is the smart way to go. That being said lets remember something that can all gives us endless comfort.

WE have Parcells, whoever he picks will be the right choice for our team.

James T Paulson

by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 8, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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