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Weekend Roundup: Secondary talk, Ireland speaks & more

We're now less than 20 days away from the NFL Draft.  And there's no doubt in my mind that these next 3 weeks are going to go insanely slow.  So prepare for that, folks.  These next 19 days or so are going to feel like forever as we await April 25.

Anyways, let's get to the weekend roundup.

JOYNER: FINS LEAVING SECONDARY EXPOSED
It's no secret that one of this team's top needs - their #1 need, in many people's minds - is at cornerback.  Well ESPN.com's KC Joyner has the same concerns that many Dolphin fans do - Miami's secondary is still a major issue.  He writes in his latest article for the NY Times' NFL blog that, though he has nothing but respect for Bill Parcells, he's "perplexed" at how the Dolphins are building their secondary.  Says Joyner:

For the free safety spot, Miami signed free-agent safety Gibril Wilson. Wilson has been in the league for five seasons and has manned the strong safety spot in four of those years. In the other year (2007), Wilson played FS for the Giants and posted deep assist metrics that were among the worst in the league (deep assist metrics being the passes in which Wilson was helping someone else with over-the-top coverage). He allowed the third-most deep assist yards and had the 12th-highest YPA on those passes.

For the vacant CB spot, the Dolphins signed former Cardinals starter Eric Green. One of the reasons Green is no longer a starter is that his 9.3 YPA last year ranked 9th worst among qualifying cornerbacks (those with 30+ attempts).

There's been a lot of debate this offseason about how the Dolphins have gone about their free agency moves.  And the signing of Eric Green created a very heated conversation about how Miami is addressing their needs in the secondary.  Clearly, those metrics from Green's 2008 season are downright ugly.  But I kind of figured they would be bad.  After all, it's impossible to even find a Cardinals fan with anything good to say about their former cornerback.

However, Gibril Wilson's deep metrics worry me even more.  And that's because the Dolphins don't have very good cornerbacks at the moment.  Will Allen is a solid starter, but is probably on the wrong side of the hill in terms of where his career is headed.  And, as of now, Miami's other starting corner is likely either Jason Allen or Eric Green.  That's not going to get it done, especially with Wilson's tendency to get beat deep when playing the free safety spot.

Why do I bring all this up?  Simple.  It's to reiterate why I feel so strongly that cornerback has to be Miami's #1 priority heading into this draft and explains why I'd be very disappointed if Vontae Davis, Darius Butler, or Sean Smith were on the board at pick #25 and the Dolphins passed - especially in favor of a wide receiver.  We have receivers who can, at the very least, get the job done adequately - if not better.  But I'm not so confident we have corners who can do at least an adequate job.  And like Joyner points out, in this division, it's going to be very important for the Dolphins to defend the pass.

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JEFF IRELAND MEETS WITH MEDIA, DOESN'T SAY MUCH
Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland met with the South Florida media on Friday for about 30 minutes.  And he really didn't tell us anything we already didn't know.  I guess that's what we should expect coming from a guy who is learning under Bill Parcells.

You can read all of Ireland's comments right here.  Below are a couple points I thought should be highlighted:

(On if the draft board is set) – "We haven’t even gone into meetings yet (laughing). We start meetings tomorrow. We have a large portion of our meetings concluded before the combine. I have my board and I don’t post it until the scouts get in which is today. We start tinkering the board and we go into some serious draft meetings coming up tomorrow."

(On if the team has a true #1 receiver) – "Right now it does. It is Teddy (Ted Ginn, Jr), it’s (Greg) Camarillo. Those are the receivers that are #1 and #2 or #2 or #1 right now. We obviously need to upgrade a lot of positions and receiver is a position that we need some depth at for sure."

I found it interesting that their draft board isn't even set yet.  This weekend began meetings for the front office and the scouts.  And how much would you have been willing to pay to have seen Ireland unveil his first draft board?

As far as the receivers go, Ireland made it a point during his press conference to bring up Brandon London - saying that there are some guys who "can ascend" currently on the roster and then talking about Brandon's size and special teams play.  But hearing Jeff call either Teddy or Greg the team's #1 receiver might have been the most interesting nugget to come out of his 30 minute chat with the media.

Two reasons I feel that way.  One - it's an indication that Camarillo's rehab is probably going relatively well.  And two - many people were curious if this regime saw Davone Bess as a starter opposite of Ted Ginn heading into the offseason.  Now I think it's clear that they probably see Bess as a solid slot receiver - which I think is the role he's best suited for.

Of course, that all could have been a smokescreen to hide the fact that they are seriously looking at the receiver position early in the draft.  At this stage - who really knows?

QUICK HITS
-The Boston Globe's Mike Reiss believes that there's a strong chance, based on Bill Belichick's activity at UCONN's pro day, that the Patriots will draft Darius Butler.

-The Dolphins have had a private workout with Oregon State cornerback Brandon Hughes.  Hughes runs a 4.40 40 yard dash and has a 37" vertical leap.  He was a four year starter and is currently projected as a 4th or 5th round pick.

-University of Illinois head coach Ron Zook was pissed about the rumored report of CB Vontae Davis failing his Combine drug test.  Zook says that Davis denies the report and claims that neither he nor his agent have received any kind of notice that he did fail.  Sports columnist Mark Tupper of the Illinois Herald and Review says that, of all the football players he's ever been around, Davis is one of the most obsessive in terms of monitoring what he puts into his body and that his finisky eating habits are "legendary."  Tupper adds that he'd be surprised if this internet rumor of Vontae's failed drug test was true.

-Armando Salguero writes an article that any of us could have written weeks ago - saying how it'll be tougher for the Dolphins to take the next step than it was to take the first one.  Seriously - this is old news.  And to think....he actually gets paid to write this crap.

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I want Vontae Davis at 25, period.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rather get that wr from rutgers.

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

No, no, no. We are not taking Britt over Davis and I will be extremely disappointed and upset if we do.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh finsx.

I know you love the kid, but he’s far from filling our greatest need. If he’s there at 44, fine, love to have him.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol.

I think the simplest way I can say this is no.

What do you do if Henne fails? Pennington gives us our best chance to win this season as of right now. The trifecta already offered Beck for a mere 7th rounder, so there’s not a chance he’ll step in and perform if he’s even still with us. You’re going to trust the offense to Henne with seven completions of experience, a mid-round rookie, and some waiver-wire veteran?

Come on now dude. I know what it’s like to be a phanatic but you can only take it so far.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but im just offering another possiblity

i honestly think we should draft

1. britt
2a brace/sintim
3. macho

fill needs and get good players

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes pretty stout though.

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celebrate,

I got a Matty I “well said”! Proud of this accomplishment, my first. Thank you Matty.

finsx, I also like Macho, but here’s the problem with that scenario: Victor Harris appears to be best suited to stopping the run. He has size and can hit, but he’s not nearly fast enough to be a shut-down corner. Which is what we need. Here are ESPN’s scouting comments explaining:

Might lack the hip flexibility and straight-line speed for man coverage. … Inconsistent press technique and lacks the burst to keep up with faster receivers if he misses his initial punch.

This is backed up by Victor’s relatively awful 40 time of 4.68, which was the third-worst timed speed at the Combine.

He isn’t suited to play the pass and cover his receiver nearly as well as he is to stop the run. I know I like Gibril Wilson..but as the article Matty posted notes, it was a “questionable” signing due to Wilson’s poor metrics as a free safety in helping a corner with over-the-top coverage.

We have to make up for that by drafting a corner with physicality and shut-down potential. I like Harris’ playmaking ability at the college level, but the game is faster in the NFL. He’s not what we’re looking for right now.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We all know I am a Britt supporter

A big Britt supporter, but I don’t know if Britt is the pic at 25. CB is the need, but clearly do not take one if the talent is not there.
I am very nervous of Vontae Davis atitude and work ethic, and would not mind passing on him.

I strongly feel the Fins will address CB, WR and OLB with the first 3 picks, and take who ever is best available at the time.

So I am not strong on Vontae and not sure if Butler is worth the 25th, so it comes down to Britt and Matthews for me at 25.

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by k2oconnor on Apr 6, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for once i agree with you finsx

hey where the hell have you been man? i think macho will be a fin corner. i watched a lot of that bastards college career and i hated him so that means hes good.

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by badjah on Apr 6, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

been banned but yea i think we should focus on getting that big WR in first (you-knowwho)

because i think macho is one of those “game-speed” type of players and will give us pretty good value with 2b.

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

really what is a failure for henne

if you expect him to be the starter by 2010 – you really need to put him in there and take the good and the bad for 10 -20 games BEFORE you have a good read on if he is going to be the team’s franchise QB or caretaker #14.

so with that in mind – isn’t it much better to get a 3rd round pick for a the very epitome of a “progress stopper” and fill a need while the team is rebuilding then to live and die with an unproven QB when the team is good.

I know alot of people round these parts have unsavory mancrushes with the noodle arm, but really what is he doing for the franchises’ long term right now?

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nothing and thats what ive been saying (and you lol)

go through growin pains right now while we are rebuilding (yes we are still rebuilding. we are just doin it competitively)

that way we’ll be in position to be contenders for the long run

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you think Minnesota would give up for Pennington?

Great Defense. Great RB. Great OL. All they need is a semi-competent QB and they could be superbowl contenders. Hell they just gave up a 4th round pick for Sage frickin Rosenfels.

by ct1361 on Apr 6, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely nothing now

since they have caretaker #8 (IIRC) – the great Sage

I honestly don’t believe they will trade him now – but I do think it’s possible that he could go during camp if henne starts to light it up and show that he NEEDS to play now.

and my guess is – you can get a third or fourth for him depending on the need from say washington or a team that thinks they can make a run that has an injury and needs a sub for a few games (say philly or pittsburgh if big ben needs recovery time)

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't write that right.

That just confused me. Anyway, what I meant to say above was that if Penne was on the market at the same time as Rosenfels, don’t you think you would have gotten more for Penne than a 4th? I do.

by ct1361 on Apr 6, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

low 2nd mid 3rd for pennington pre sage. now idk

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah - they'd be lucky to get

a third….

will be 34 at the start of the season. has a long history of injuries and arm injuries to boot and in the last year of his deal…. nobody is giving up more then a 3rd… and likely a 4th will get the deal done.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think his contract is an asset in trade talks.

He is relatively cheap and has only one year left. If he doesn’t work out, it doesn’t hurt the team that much.

by ct1361 on Apr 6, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a third

cause it’s spielman pulling the strings and aside from uncle Al in unkland there isn’t an odder GM around now that matty is back in the booth.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol because we get bored easily lol

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely because

it’s the most important position on the field and it’s been the biggest plague against this franchise for the last 10 + years….

and finally because if you are looking to improve weaknesses – it’s very easy to trade a guy who wont be on the team next year and get a young guy who could fill a position of great need.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good call

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want the best player availiable at 25.

I don’t care if its a cornerback or not. We need more Pro-Bowl caliber players and they can be on the O/line, TE, WR, LB, or maybe a cornerback. It doesn’t matter because I’m sure that we will take at least 2 db’s in this draft so there is no need to reach for a guy. Someone was talking about coaching player’s up to play as one of our DB’s. I like that idea.

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by AussieKen on Apr 6, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is, especially if NE picks Darius

that lb is 25th pick and I would’t be surprised if the next two picks are CB… A. Smith and D.J. moore? I would be estatic if that is the case. Or IF ILB any of the USC lbs if FO thinks they can be converted to ILB then either 44 or 56th pick could be a second LB sintim, Barwin, Brown, English ect

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 6, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

autoblog strikes AGAIN!!! lol good read though

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oregon State motha fuckas!

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by cbdolphin on Apr 6, 2009 3:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You're missing the team element

The people in charge don’t judge a CB by his play alone, you have to take in other variables such as their team pass rushing ability. It doesn’t matter how good a CB is, if the QB has too much time, even the VERY BEST CD in the league will get burnt, so judge based on those variables also.,

by Quinyne on Apr 6, 2009 5:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not worried...

Was Andre Goodman a stud before he played in the system we ran last year? Correct me if i am wrong, but he played under Cameron, and didn’t do much, granted he was hurt. This Trifecta has an uncanny way of pulling the most out of what it has, and we will be just fine. Just ask Tom Brady, if the Giants CB’s were anything special. He might not remember because he was too busy pulling his ass off the turf from getting sacked like 35 times in the Super bowl. If you have great pass rush, that can make an ordinary CB, look like the second coming of Rod Woodson, or Champ Bailey.

Now is the time- the time to rise up from the depths of Hell and stake our claim back on top of the AFC East...Look out Gaytriots here comes Jake Long and the Phins

by FinzD54 on Apr 6, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is so true!

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by buckeyebill on Apr 6, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

goody was pretty good his first year under saban and during his career he has periods were he is easily an above average cover guy…

it’s just the line with him is really fine and when he gets nicked up as he did for saban II and Cam I his production seems to drop off…

so not sure it’s as much the system with the guy as much as his health.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would guess

or would like to see 3 CBs in the first 5 picks. Our most glaring weakness for many a years.

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by Phintastic on Apr 6, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Draft a CB

our receivers are solid and Bess will be a star this year.

12-4 in 2009.

by phatfinfan on Apr 6, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is the worst part of the NFL season...

I say that because i consider the NFL a year long season, but right now is soooooo boring. you look at headlines and all you see is a bunch of low rent free agent signings, the same old trade rumors (see ochocinco to where ever) and then you have all the disciplinary headlines about the next idiot getting drunk and runniing someone over or getting caught with drugs or what not. i cant even tune into my faveorite channel the NFL Network, because it is so nausiating to listen to the same garbage all the time.

good thing we have the national championship tonight (Go Tar-heels!) and then the Masters this coming weekend. Hopefully by then the last two weeks will go by fast.

by dlux2561 on Apr 6, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

my sabermetrics say........

dont believe the sabermetrics stats….believe in the code

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fyi........

Husker email no longer in service…

looks like he’s a lil girl and left…yea i said it Hukser….u make the HOF and leave us…..maybe you should give eme a piece of ur mind if ur not the lil girl i claim you to be..lol

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i know

i posted that a day or two ago about his email.
it looks like he has really disappeared.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wadda a-hole...

Matty its time to take away the HOF tag and give it to someone who is loyal…not a carpetbagging Jets fan.

if he’s reading this…that should do it.

Husker is a Oklahoma fan….and a Jets fan now…..spread the word.

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(raises hand)

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Armando

Hey Matty. You like to push Armando under the bus a lot. Is he really that bad as a reporter, and if so how does he keep his job? Even that Omar guy from the Sun Sentinal can be bad at times too, but not as bad as Armando.

I think we definitely need to go for corner back in the first round this year. Either that or a pass rusher. But I trust the trifecta to do the correct thing. Still waiting for them to get an extra pick for John Beck now.

by resman on Apr 6, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Armando is a bag-o-douche

he does ZERO reporting on anything it would take him more than 3 sec to research. He hates on bloggers….but what is he known for? his blog…not his mini article in the dead paper noone reads anymore.

think about how old and doen papers are….here is yesterdays news….thrown on your front lawn for you to go find. and the bloggers are the idiots….

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This time of year is hard enough,

but the weekends are the worst. This place is dead on Saturday and Sunday! I need mah daily fix!!

by joel311 on Apr 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

normally i do ITM on the weekends

but i was busy this weekend and last one didnt even get rec’d….so i figured id skip a weekend and let real football talk rule the site..]

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Rz,

Don’t do that — skip a weekend.
You post the best mind relaxer (aside from alcohol & drugs) I know.
It’s what keeps me sane in my insane world.
I need to laugh and you do that for many of us here.

Just a plug is all…….

by Alpha6 on Apr 6, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahh

fans come outta the woodwork! thanks alpha…..ill get on writing one up for ya.

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

caught you!

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also...

to be mentioned in the same sentence as drugs n alcohol is a honor, lol.

MAN am i sun burned…MARLINS!!! BONIFACIO!!! WOW

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CAUGHT YOU AGAIN!

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont worry im on it

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Wilson Statement by Joyner Concerns Me...

I have been advocating getting an ILB with #25 to shore up the run D. I figure if you can stop the run with the front 7, the safeties can then help the CB’s with coverage. Let the safeties play pass first.

If Wilson can’t do that based on the deep assist metrics (being among the worst in the league), then that changes everything. If you can’t rely on a FS to play pass defense, then an outstanding CB is a must. I might be on the CB at #25 bandwagon now.

by ct1361 on Apr 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And, as of now, Miami's other starting safety is likely either Jason Allen or Eric Green.

Did you mean cornerback or Yeremiah Bell?

It is looking like CB will be our first draft selection to go. I don’t see us taking a USC LB with Cameron Wake, Roth, Porter, and maybe JT if he comes back. If the triumvirate think Ginn will break out then they are going to hold off on spending a high draft pick on receiver.

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by DolfinPhan on Apr 6, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

funny

Plax wins vs. team…

Peter King’s opinion beforehand

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I must say

I’ve been wanting to draft a Corner since LAST years draft, If we had had 3 more wins I would have been all for Rogers-Cromartie. This is our biggest need. If anyone here has played Madden you would know that no matter how good your pass rush is, if the QB can get the ball off in a second and toast your corners, the pass rush is no good. Get a Corner with 25, WR with 2a and DT, LB, or another Corner with 2b.

RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!

by Rytackle on Apr 6, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

our secondary

FS-Wilson
SS-Bell
(backup)S-Jason Allen
CB-Will Allen
CB-1st round pick
(nickel)CB-Nathan Jones/Eric Green
doesn’t look as bad as people say it is

by Brian5517209 on Apr 6, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess thats true

RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!

by Rytackle on Apr 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

well he might not even be there…and if Butler and Davis are gone, I’d hope for Sean Smith – but I don’t think the front office would take him at 25 because he might a little bit of a reach

by Matty I on Apr 6, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know who i want at 25

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but dont you think either brace or sintim can be there at 2a?

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and im sure in the 2nd we can get a guy like alphonso

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think alphonso is good enough

i think he’ll make a VERY good nickel corner….but we need a guy who can play one-on-one coverage

by Matty I on Apr 6, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why risk that

just so we can pick a player at a position we don’t heavily need to fill right now..

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but fill a need with a great player. trust me if we pick like harvin im gonna be a little disapointed because we

already have enough of those small shifty dudes we need a big guy

but then you never know wr’s may start slidin and if it looks like we can draft the cb and then still get RU at 2a then thatd be amazing

we’ll see. draft is comin and i couldnt be more excited

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said,

that’d be fine dude. If we can pick up Vontae at 25 and somehow find a Nicks or a Britt slip to us at 44 I would have zero qualms using the selection there.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would you consider usin our forth to maybe hop up a few spots from 2a to make sure we can get britt?

vontae and britt…satisfy everybody =)

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

no, I probably wouldn’t to be honest.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 7, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not its just a 4th and we get both brittt and butler =)

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by finsxfactor on Apr 7, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam Madison RULED!!!!!

" oh I'm sorry did I break your concentration?" -Jules Winfield-
Creator of the(pie in the sky) trade up and "draft B. J. Raji" bandwagon

by uncle finster on Apr 6, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

old

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patrick Surtain did too!!!!

25th pick - CB Vontae Davis
44th pick - LB Clint Sintim
56th pick - DT Ron Brace

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by Heater OsE on Apr 6, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

old

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cornerback Selection in 1st round

I believe that we need to draft two or three cornerbacks in this draft. In fact, I would like us to see if we could trade the 25th pick to the Giants for their 29th and 45th. Hopefully if that happened, then we can draft Darrius Butler or Alphonso Smith with the first pick and then at 44 and 45 we can get a linebacker and Brian Robiskie. Then at 56, we take Sean Smith from Utah. While I agree that rushing the passer is important. What is a team going to do inside the 10 yard line when the quarterback only takes a three step drop and throws a fade route to the corner and we do not have the skill players to defend that play. In addition, more and more teams are using 3 and 4 receiver sets and they are looking for mismatches. Cornerbacks are just as important as having a good pass rush. Go Phins!!!!!!!!!

by sundevil11 on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hope we go

cb with our first pick. we do need some help @ wr but our wr’s are at least decent

by ncfinfan on Apr 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think i got it figured out lol

unless Harvin or Nicks is there we go Butler or one of the Smith’s….

if Nicks gets to 44…which i highly doubt…hes our pick

the OLB isnt coming till 56 or round 3 i think….and hope

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont want nicks though hes 6'0-6'1.

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude he is gonna be nastastic

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

idk

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

i would like to say its a pleasure to have the good manored xman back posting his usal 13 times in 5 min…..just not the same without…

be good…or else!

lol…consider that a RZAYO24 THREAT BOX

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Likely...

1st….best CB we like…to me its almost a lock

1st 2nd rd….best WR avail…and a good one will drop like Britt

2nd 2nd rd pick….CB that fell or a OLB…one of those USC guys prob.

3rd rd pick..Macho i hope…but probally a small school DL guy i keep hearing bout.

rest of draft…….STUDS.

LOL

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 6, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dude if that happens...fricken it'd be so fraytastic and lifehousean

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in..

The Fray..and Lifehouse?

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 6, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE NEED

Terrell Buckley to coach our CB’s remember how he took Sam under his wing pat too, they were brought up the right way and we dominated in the secondary.

I want T-Buck back

A feeding frenzy is about to take place in the dirty south

by FinfanT on Apr 6, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like I've said

we need a couple of CBs,

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Apr 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by finsxfactor on Apr 6, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have to agree

with joyner on most of this - except that wilson has played better as a SS then a FS – so while signing him to a FS spot, he also gets to double duty as a fragile Bell’s back up, and IIRC his season with the giants was a switch in positions were he played better as the season went along and his improved played showed especially during the playoff run….

with all that in mind – I have no way of justifing the green signing… to the best of my knowledge this is just wasted money that likely would have been better spent by saving some tree’s by giving it to Jose Canseco to just STF up and not saying anything or write any books for the next 3 years.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Great Conseco line. I might have to steal that one. LOL

by ct1361 on Apr 6, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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