stats as why Pat White will likely be a great starting QB in the NFL
Don't know if anyone else has been reading the "london calling" draft series over at the sun. you can get the post draft here. if you have time to read the whole series, its pretty dang interesting and while not entirely accurate as a predictor of miami's drafting, he does often come up with some statistical gems.
but in doing some research on Pat White Simon came up with some pretty dang interesting stats on why pat white is likely to end up as a very good starting QB in the NFL....
But what if White shows up at training camp believing, as he has every right to do, that he’s in a battle for the starting QB job? After all, this is a guy who’s started 49 games and completed 65% of his passes. Remember way back in Draft Winds 3 when I looked at the statistics on all QB’s selected in the first two rounds in terms of rates of success. They provided a fascinating insight; when you take the number of starts of a quarterback picked in rounds 1 and 2 and their career completion percentage in college and look at those that became successful starters in the NFL, they had at least 35 college starts and at least a 57% completion rating. Any who lacked in one or both departments had varying degrees of success:
QB’s with below 35 starts
1. Kyle Boller - 31 starts 48%
2. Ryan Leaf - 24 starts 53%
3. Joey Harrington - 26 starts 55%
4. Mike Vick - 21 starts 56%
5. JP Losman - 29 starts 57%
6. Akili Smith - 11 starts 58%
7. Tim Couch - 27 starts 67%
8. Alex Smith - 22 starts 66%
9. David Carr - 26 starts 62%
10. Drew Brees - 26 starts 61%
11. Rex Grossman - 32 starts 61%
12. Vince Young - 32 starts 61%
13. Aaron Rodgers - 25 starts 64%You could argue that only Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers have been successful from that group and it’s probably too early to judge Rodgers successfully. On the other hand, check these numbers out:
QB’s with 57% completion percentage and 35+ starts
1. Jay Cutler- 43 starts 57%
2. Carson Palmer- 45 starts 59%
3. Brady Quinn- 46 starts 58%
4. Ben Roethlisberger 38 starts 65%
5. Byron Leftwich 36 starts 65%
6. Matt Leinart 39 starts 65%
7. Philip Rivers 49 starts 64%
8. Daunte Culpepper 43 starts 64%
9. Donovan McNabb 45 starts 63%
10. Peyton Manning 45 starts 63%
11. Eli Manning 37 starts 61%
12. Chad Pennington 35 starts 63%Those are two pretty telling lists. And White’s numbers stand up against anyone’s. The same completion percentage as two time Superbowl winner Ben Roethlisberger. A better completion percentage than our own deadly accurate Chad Pennington and he had Randy Moss to throw to. Better than McNabb, Manning, Cutler and Philip Rivers. So like I say, why wouldn’t White feel he has a legitimate shot as a starting QB, regardless of the system he played in? He’s not been in a pro style offense for the Mountaineers and that bears out on film; as a pocket passer you’d like to see him move his feet more consistently and he has a tendency to stare down the receiver and rarely look off the safety, but clearly Sparano and David Lee and Dan Henning have a plan for White. Yet I simply refuse to see a way that that plan means giving White a fair shot at beating out Chad’s Pennington and Henne. So what does his drafting truly mean? Well, the Dolphins front office made the comment that they wouldn't be drafting anyone specifically for the Wildcat offense this year, but around draft time, teams lie. Don’t take it personally. They just do. I think that what this pick means for Miami is that they’re simply moving to the next phase of the Wildcat. I had a pretty good conversation with a coach about this after the selection and he told me a number of things about the way the offense will move forward. We both believe that the Dolphins will continue to run a base offense led by one of the Chad's, and in most games that base will be most of what you will see, but the Wildcat, which appeared in most games for a series or two, is clearly going to expand in the future. Pat White will be a very big part of that process. White ran a lot of Wildcat and spread attack plays from under center at West Virginia. As coach said to me, “The key to White's college success is based on great angles, great decisions, and an unbelievable tempo once the ball is snapped.” Scouts and experts refer to Percy Harvin as “a big play waiting to happen”, but you could say the same for White except that in our offense, he has the ability to pass the ball with better accuracy than some Pro Bowlers, however slightly skewed his college statistics may be.
Let’s not forget that even if he has the hands of Iheanyi Uwaezuoke, he is the NCAA career leader in rushing yards for a QB with more than 4,000. Teams will no longer key Ronnie Brown in the Wildcat. The top dog in this next phase of the scheme will be Pat White. Ronnie Brown will be the 2nd or third option, much like Ricky Williams was last year while White becomes the leader of the Wildcat most the time. White may line up at times as a WR in the new system, but unlike Pennington he'll now be a threat on the pass, end around, or reverse. And where we flexed Penny out with Ronnie under center, he was never a threat to catch the ball.
White is. And the scheme is about to make life for the defense a major problem
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Pat white...idk what it is about him...but he just has that aura of being a winner
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by finsxfactor on Apr 30, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe the fact that
his team wins ALOT and he tends to be a big part of that team winning?
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is just knows how to be awesome lol..
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by finsxfactor on Apr 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
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by DolfinPhan on Apr 30, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meowwww
hes already in the wild cat mood.. meowing on the side line
the gr8 1
by dolfan702 on May 1, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
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by Phinsguy99 on May 3, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
know exactly what you are saying
i’m starting to have that gay l*ve err man crush kind of feelings for him as a player.
i can’t wait for freakin game one …. i envision two things – Pat running and throwing all over the field and the more he runs and throws all over the field the less the progress stopper/lame ducker will be in the game…
win win in my book
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 30, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well since john beck is gone (still love you bud) and britt is a titan ....i have picked up this infatuation with pat white
honestly i see him being an explosive playmaker who can honestly take the reigns (please…take them right NOW)
like yea i know what you mean lol…progress stopper/lame ducker…i like CP as much as the next guy (not counting Rz) but i think for us to be a winner team for years to come…we need to find out who that QB is…having CP one more year…is just another year that Henne or Pat White do not get valuable game experience and a chance to lead us…
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by finsxfactor on Apr 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don't we line all three QBs up in the *I*
and have them handoff/drop back/ flea flicker to each other each play and see who throws the ball better?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"if I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word.....my word is poontang" -Animal Mother-
creator of cute little bust name "shrimp Patty" for Pat White
by uncle finster on May 4, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i like the way you think lol
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by finsxfactor on May 4, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agrreed
i’m just exuberant since the draft.
by W NY Fins Fan on May 1, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i've been keenly alive ever since
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by finsxfactor on May 1, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
issues?
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by Heater OsE on May 1, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must see clip
btw: in case anyone hasn’t seen this yet – it’s a must watch and here’s a spoiler alert – pat white does not have the ball on this play.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 30, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol dude thats the definition of epicness...thats like tony bua stuff right there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzalIIrmti8
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by finsxfactor on Apr 30, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had one play as a Dolphin
and became a legend.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol same with tyree right?
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by finsxfactor on May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a post about that back in 2007
http://www.thephinsider.com/2007/4/16/0619/91876
It’s really interesting how college starts and comp% have translated into pro success at a very high rate
by Matty I on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
2007 Prospect: JaMarcus Russell LSU 29 61%
Best Case Comparison: Vince Young Texas 32 61%
Worst Case Comparison: JP Losman Tulane 29 57%
talk about a bust lol =)
i remember like every post you make…is that wierd? i even remember the first post of yours i’ve ever read
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by finsxfactor on May 1, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOHOOOO atleast its not wierd
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by finsxfactor on May 1, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet,
Jamarcus never hit a spark. It’s a shame when the first pick overall dosen’t do anything.
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by Phinsguy99 on May 3, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the reality is
the guys that start a lot of games are talented, or at least more talented then those other QB’s at their schools, and the ones that have success over that time frame are more likely to have the genetics and the mental fortitude to continue at the next level….
by W NY Fins Fan on May 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like PAT WHITE!
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by finsxfactor on May 1, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Akili Smith with 11 games???
WTH was Cincy thinking..talk about easily impressed!
I been thinking with ALL the talk about Pat just on this site,just imagine what DC’s will going through when they have to prepare for the bevy of possibilities we now possess with him on our team..good luck with that!
by haildanhenningnow on May 1, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think the best comparison to Pat White
Is former Mizzou quarterback Brad Smith, the man whose rushing record for a quarterback White surpassed. Smith is currently the #2 receiver for the New York Jets, and contributes on defense and special teams as well. I think White has eerily similar skills, and I would like to see the Dolphins diversify White’s talents, like the Jets have done with Smith.
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by ocelotfox on May 1, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ocelot fox
is that like a Bearlion? or a Wolflynx?
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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by Patssuck456 on May 1, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Little Nicky 21 on May 4, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
intresting stuff
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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